Rogue vs Feral Druid is a nightmare (CDL Round 2)

[@MorsDengse]

Some say ... that on a dark starless night, you can hear them still fighting ...

[@ΓιώργοςΖαρου]

hahahahahahaha

[@jokerossjkr870]

best coment

[@juxozo5918]

That feral's name, "KiljuRipuli" means "Kilju"= strong finnish homemade alchohol. "Ripuli" = diarrhea :D

[@ChristopherSideris1117]

I seen the thumbnail and thought, Ben Askren is playing wow?

[@dmduhs5856]

U mean 1 Hit Askren.

[@mikescott97]

Same !

[@tourtherapy9537]

Omg that guy is really enjoying this gamě! :))))

[@CrownVic977]

Why does pshero always go for lead to heal when he has food ?

[@Gnosis33]

Just seats in bear form takes no damage kek

[@AmazinglyGayPhil]

Same can be said about rogue with r14 gear, just press 1 button

[@AmazinglyGayPhil]

@@Russakaja Not true, Rogue has the highest skill ceiling with a low skill floor. Mage has a high skill floor and a high skill cap for example. Hunter has a high skill floor with a low skill cap. Warlock and Hunter are the hardest classes to play right in pvp with all the tools and pet management. Rogue you can faceroll Average players. All you have to do is watch some r14 players for example who just a couple of buttons. Rogue is my main and has been since 2005 and when i went back to vanilla on private servers. The best rogue i think are people like perplexity who theory craft to the maximum.

[@AmazinglyGayPhil]

@@Russakaja I'm talking Vanilla but in wotlk you're 100% correct rogue requires the most skill and Elemental Shaman. In TBC you can smash your face on the keyboard and spam hemo if things get tricky you have cheat deathbcloak of shadows evasion vanish blind sprint Kidney its not even up for debate how easy rogue is against Average players. In Vanilla the hardest classes to play are Lock and Hunter. But just to end this conversation You're right about wotlk Rogue is the most skill intensive class as most classes have great heals and sustain and tankiness and oh shiieeet buttons like rogue has. Example Hunter goes from being one of the worst the bottom tier classes to S tier especislly with Capped ARP. In Arena Hunter struggles again though. And rogue goes from Being S tier to Middle of the pack but is amazing in 3s and 2s.

[@AmazinglyGayPhil]

@@Russakaja I've only played vanilla tbc and wotlk when cata came out i played for a bit and went to Private Vanilla servers.

[@damiankovanda4641]

in what sense is druid a nightmare, he literally did not have a single window for counter attacking. He was forced to stay in bear and keep getting insane CC

[@kevlon_]

The simple fact that this is a 10minute video including two duels is a nightmare in itself.

[@damiankovanda4641]

@@kevlon_ two skilled players, using maximum of their skill cap in quite balanced matchup with even results. I consider it beautiful. Oneshoting each other in two seconds is a nightmare to me

[@flameless4644]

@@damiankovanda4641 Agreed

[@jonathancarmo7780]

@@damiankovanda4641 Maybe when i'm the one playing i agree with you, but since i don't have the time to watch a 10 min duel i always prefer oneshots or insanely quick duels.

[@GniinG]

@@damiankovanda4641 Well, it's just not enjoyable to play against i think, nor to watch. As much as i agree that too short fight are as bad... if i have to watch a long fight, i want it to be intensive or to see some nice moves... not just some AA's in bear for 2 minutes... oh wait i'm low... root eat/drink... AA's in bear for 2 minutes... oh wait i'm low... That's just not fun to play against... watch... or even to play (even if it's up to everyone to like it or not... i'm pretty sure the low amount of feral druids in this game talk for itself). It's just... boring.

[@seekingpeaceofself]

That was a good match though! Both did pretty damn good imo.

[@lucaslouch]

Very good match, no mistake from both of them. Very interesting!

[@fujdjgo]

Actually the Druid made many mistakes and he could have done way better. Didn't use Moonfire or Insect Swarm enough at all for one... Not to B rate but it's the truth. Still a good video, I enjoyed watching.

[@christopherwoods9830]

Yeah I was gonna say the rogue never took any damage at all

[@georgeantoniadis7042]

Druid at some points was bashing had FF up ,moved away healed up and was out of combat with 20 secs remaining on FF. He couldn't just prowl and go an opening and actually do some dmg before going back to bear?Am I missing something?

[@Gord0nG3kko]

Seems like he's speced for bear and survival.

[@MrCliverandy]

It's called sneak in, apply 3 dot, and stone wall.... Notice that PS did get a chance catching the druid out of shift... That is one scary moment for that druid..

[@anasameer]

If the druid gets caught in cat form, hes probably going to lose 60% of his hp in one rotation till he can get back into bear form. On the other hand, if the druid opened on Pshero in cat form , he wouldnt do enough damage to justify the risk of getting caught out

[@huppupappa1637]

@@anasameer yup. To Op gay rogues. still fun to play feral cat.

[@MrEverisforever]

@@anasameer A feral can easily do 4k burst to a rogue, the only reason why the rogue gets a leg up is because of the stuns. 1.8k shreds make short work of any rogue

[@ilostmytableny4491]

What kind of bg is this? Where is everyone?

[@jorymayer707]

shouldn't he have used rupture instead of the first kidney shot? Also at 4:40, half a tick till 46 energy available, 4 combo pts up. Using kidney shot leaves 22 energy to dps with once it starts, am i crazy to think a cold blood evis would have likely killed the druid? surely it could have hit 1800+ with full high warlord gear? I give credit, it's not easy and the pressure was on, just wondering what the right play would have been if there was a better play even?

[@jorymayer707]

@O K i was giving credit. A 4 point cold blood evis in blues will crit for 1800 on a druid out of bear form. He could have hit 2500.

[@johnkarlsson2167]

What's the Addon/Weakaura that shows the druids LoTP/THorns/MoTW etc? I've tried to find it for a long time :( If it shows world buffs on an enemy target also, that would be super, HEEEEEELP PLS

[@filipfenix]

this dude playing guardian before it was mainstream.

[@anasameer]

Were flash bombs not allowed in the tournament? If Iron grenades are allowed, surely flash bombs would be too...?

[@TaxifahrerTaxifahrer]

Why should flash bomb be allowed.....? Are you stupid

[@adamkatt]

@@TaxifahrerTaxifahrer yes?

[@louisnel894]

This PsHero is like the best rogue I ever seen, insane skills

[@supermarioworld116]

Pikaboo is the Best too

[@louisnel894]

@@supermarioworld116 Will check it out, never heard of that one tbh :) Ty

[@doriangray7129]

compare to Rackfull he is total noob, btw i with my teammate rape pc hero in shp-rogue while we played frost dk-rogue, so meh, he is just good with big expirience, but nothing special.

[@MC-nt7jz]

@@doriangray7129 sure bud

[@josedavidmunozmartinez4722]

"Feral Druid is a nightmare" Said the Rogue xD

[@johnwalker3602]

well it is

[@lusimmons4982]

Lol right. Dudes healing straight up.

[@markridderstad229]

If the druid has Essence of the pure flame, with thorns, max sta and armor gear, as little dodge as possible, Unyielding maul with counterweight and some +hit = hard to loose vs rogues and warriors 1v1.. is nice!

[@dogukanaltay204]

when i saw the video is 10 mins, i thought there are more then 2 duels and get excited. Rekt

[@nicolbolas8758]

in tbc armor works better then any expansion

[@eldarius237]

Close to getting killed - roots - eat and drink up - rinse and repeat.

[@Dippps]

I wonder what happen to druid vs a adrenaline rush sword spec with full stun lock and thristle tea.

[@kalle1689]

Even worse its not a true stun lock build. With sub you can stun lock even more.

[@ardgyzterry3433]

Blind in humanoid form - dead? Is this not working on the classic?

[@Apparentt]

Why is there a deep feral in the duel tourney lol? Shits not a PvP spec until TBC

[@MrCliverandy]

Bruh, that's not deep feral... He didn't have leader of the pack. Judging from the distance moon fire, he probably have 3 spec.

[@Apparentt]

Sion Wetan ? He has leader of the pack and omen of clarity, it’s deep feral

[@MrCliverandy]

@@Apparentt . Omen of clarity is in balance. And kindly check the weakaura addon in the video for leader of the pack .....

[@Apparentt]

Sion Wetan or just look at his buffs, leader of the pack is the orange one Omen is in the balance tree but you only pick it up when you play deep feral... I’ve played this class for over 10 years I feel quite confident about it >

[@MrCliverandy]

@@Apparentt . Yeah my mistake. I know how the buff looks like. It is deep feral... That's why his manna regen is so weak. There is another spec that use omen of clarity too. Bear NS spec 14/16/21.

[@seifeir6951]

Are druids not allowed to wear reflect gear? P sure you can just put on nagelring/rag trinket/thorns w/t1 3pc and watch the rogue kill himself.

[@MrCliverandy]

You can do that. Just like the pally in previoys duel..

[@weisserwolf9]

what is that for a addon ? timer at the enemy /opponent ....omniCC ?

[@Fingnars]

I've been using one called BigDebuffs off the twitch apps, almost the same

[@dodgemyshredwowtv8290]

Not bad. I feel like theres times this druid could have went a bit more offensive, having his trinket up, he could easily risk going cat after a bash to get a couple of shreds in.

[@ScarAnimationsNL]

this is classic wow where cat is still rlly bad especially dueling vs a rogue u wouldnever go cat over bear u will die in a stun

[@attinger117]

The druid made a few big errors like not keeping up FF. He also missed several opportunities to go on the offense so he got too far behind.

[@99smacks81]

How can you keep up ff when ur stunned. Noob

[@densista1160]

how is this fight made ? they are both horde

[@PaperiLiidokki]

Fun fact, the guys name Kiljuripuli translatesto alcholic diharrea

[@kalinoskill]

Is expose armor any good?

[@구독자500명되면이같은]

Why druid didn't moon fire at all in first duel

[@theperfectbeing]

Pure feral is garbage for pvp due to lack of recovery mechanics vs DoT classes but HOTW NS is absolutely amazing, especially once you start getting the AQ 1h Maces because you can rotate all your utility OHs based upon need for class match ups and the max rank of HT from AQ20 guarantees a 100% full hp NS+HT combo. The Genesis set is pure sex for any spec of druid in pvp plus it looks cool. I'm currently stuck with the PVP gear (which is good) but I can't wait to get full T2.5 just because I know it makes a rogues life more difficult :P

[@epicsasquatch452]

Unless you're a mage, I hate fighting feral druids more than rogues.

[@686Prism]

ah some pve; paying tribute to retail?

[@varesso7568]

retail was never this awful, except when retail was classic

[@Vorza24]

@@varesso7568 is trolling dont take the bait

[@hashimrazavi9238]

no expose armor?

[@oransjball]

I like how everyone keep bashing the deep feral spec, but when played properly its very good, especially vs mages, melees and hunters. The druid did pretty well. He itemized well going high armor, but he was lacking a bit in fundamentals. Not keeping FF up before reset so he can open in cat. Not using demoralizing roar 100% Playing for re-stealths as deep feral is imo the biggest "MUST" as it gives you tons of damage and makes it really easy rushing any melee down with 5 CP RIP and bear. GD.

[@marcofrey2903]

Thank you! I'm almost to Rank 13 with Feral and I'm loving it -- still learning new things every day. The margin for error though...is high.

[@lolzpvp]

I don’t get why you don’t use wound poison

[@nonR-wf3iq]

just really important to have cripple up in comparison, otherwise you risk melting to damage/getting charged/bash when you should be deadzoning

[@petercizmarik9140]

What is the name of addon you use? that wich shows your active spells on target. I mean dhose moving icons on the bottom 😊 ty for answer 😉

[@indianacolumbus9754]

Still waiting like ....

[@victorcavazos9114]

Weres the feral druid skills?

[@s02mb]

why don't you expose armor him?

[@LeviortX]

its a hell. What if rupture instead of kidney?

[@JukeWave]

u mean cheap shot? dno i think then hes leaking in control and cps

[@LeviortX]

@@JukeWave nope, start with cheap, then rupture instead of kidney shot

[@JukeWave]

Dude did u watch this vid? He did that often when ks on cd

[@mattsidorski4335]

Is it fair for the druid to start in bear form? 99% of the time in open world he wouldn't be in it in when opened on by a rouge, it also lets him save mana by already being in bear. Or am I wrong here?

[@pancreasdragonheart9765]

Are rogues running around in stealth 99% of the time in open world?

[@SbkzorTV]

that druid is lame af imHo and btw why does he get the opener on the second duel?

[@kevlon_]

Because he's a stealth class too?

[@dav8450]

Why do you play hemo vs a druid?

[@johnvaneck5224]

why is he not putting bleeds on you when i fight ferals i get 10 bleeds all the time

[@michaelwandl4504]

Where was the armor reduce ability of your rogue!!!!!?

[@ldv92]

it's shit against bears... dots are better

[@brodelnaz]

Is this wsg a 1v1? Where is everyone else

[@916kartoon]

SO WHERESD THE FERAL?

[@Tomoyo0827]

its 1:1 so who won??

[@doggidog2992]

Is he going warsong for 1v1 where are the enemies. Other players not in?

[@Enlazador9]

it is a custom tournament that uses warsong as the scenario. its called wargames the ability to join these bgs between specific people

[@Gisborne1990]

why are rogues so op broken?

[@adiosamigos88]

Is tea forbidden on this tournament?

[@daaaannk4362]

he uses it in this video...

[@p4nx844]

I thought it was over with the 400+ ranged crit LoL

[@cdf645]

Is expose armor not worth combo points? Or is rupture just more effective

[@BlGRED619]

Not worth it period

[@zekay_]

Expose armor is mostly used in openers, other than that i dont think its worth using

[@JukeWave]

not worth if opponent has so much armor anyways... bleedings are more powerful vs high armor classes

[@MatthewTheUntitled]

Rupture ignores all armor, you don't need to know more :^)

[@Roland597]

The real nightmare is a fight where neither side will run away, and its a druid and paladin....

[@bradleycooper5436]

Pallies always oom vs me ally druid in duels but IDK

[@toxicplay6788]

just wait till tbc, lots of other classes will get boosted, specially feral druid and hunters, enough of those rogues killing everyone without getting punished

[@ballsmanjoe699]

Rogues shit on everyone in TBC

[@toxicplay6788]

Haha, you wish.

[@ballsmanjoe699]

Lol I'm serious though. You must not have played TBC in a long ass time. They are even more OP in TBC than vanilla, since you can't kite them anymore. They completely destroy everyone in a 1v1 except for druids. Hunters have no disengage, and no deterrence.

[@toxicplay6788]

@@ballsmanjoe699 Hunters have BM talent for 18 sec u cant stun em, and they can burst down sl lock in 2.5 sec lol, i played tbc 8 months ago, there many classes that can take out the rogue, even ench sham and ret pallies

[@toxicplay6788]

@@ballsmanjoe699 and im not even talking about disc priest and resto shamans, rogue cant kill em 1v1

[@MrCliverandy]

Now imagine this druid vs the pally.... He will win though...pally will definately need more than 6 minutes to scrach this druid...

[@sandyrayport242]

the feral would drop the defensive gear and stay cat form if the pallies holy. if not then the fight isn't too long.

[@lucaslouch]

sandy rayport exactly. For hpal, i tend to build 5 combo point, stack energy, rip the dude and rebuild 3-5 points based on crit, morph in bear and wait for heals. You need to succeed with the feral charge and pop the stun for the next cast, morph again in cat and burst him down. Quite mana intensive and this will be canceled once with the bubble. Keep the trinket for the hammer

[@MrEverisforever]

Have you seen a ret paly vs a deep feral dps in a duel? A ret paly can burst a rank 13 cat down in around 7 seconds if he crits.

[@lucaslouch]

MrEverisforever we’re talking about hpal dude not ret. ret, bear form is the way, and make him dispel himself if you manage to kite him.

[@scientistofchthonicspace4266]

Nice balance 👍Rogue one on one almost does not penetrate a druid for several attack cycles)

[@biohoof537]

My god would he autoattack you or dot you jesus 0_0

[@Derek-gc3rb]

Is there any class that counter rogue in classic ?

[@eliasalba4857]

Go and try yourself to rekt all classes if you can.

[@Derek-gc3rb]

@@eliasalba4857 I was asking a question.

[@eliasalba4857]

@@Derek-gc3rb Obviously, there are a lot.

[@Mthompsonwv]

Shadow Priest, Warlock, Hunter and Mage are all very tough matchups.

[@Threat_LvL]

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[@evergreende7910]

Around the 4 minute mark i realize he got the face fucking face like his ud rogue

[@ruffyd.1017]

1:56 So close to win at that moment. Not bandages but Rupture with 5 combo points. Anyway pretty nice duel

[@davemewi3051]

feral where??

[@zamirkhuzin1267]

Привет стоитли играть за рогу на shadowlands?

[@jenanlouwers4420]

This is a Healdruide not feral.

[@Bennyy1020]

Druid messed up a bit he was ment to moonfire combo and insect swarm when he roots also that blind at start was a bit messy lol

[@Bennyy1020]

Druid can litterally use moonfire two ranks lower then max and still wittlle him down and win lol

[@plackiplicki3531]

That would be true if the Druid was a resto/balance mix, and if he could kite. In that case he’d loose way faster, as a good rogue with opener is almost unkillable as a balance/resto, since you don’t have Feral faerie fire and will eventually get opened on and stunlocked into a 5 second death. In Feral you’re supposed to stay there and fight. Since there’s no respect in the tournament the guy had to go Feral.

[@Mike-om4tv]

He had mama issues that a moonfire and swarm would've just made him lose faster

[@Mthompsonwv]

Yep, feral Druids don’t moonfire spam and they can’t insect swarm.

[@Bennyy1020]

i guess his mistake was bieng feral druid because its terrible in vanilla

[@koreazilla]

After the W his reaction. He's not amused

[@Muhlum24]

Damn the hit box on thorium grenade is busted af

[@andrejcagalj4089]

That 4:31 hit ? No way. He was far from that explosion

[@TheKiskoller]

That's Blizzard's leeway system from vanilla that was ported over to classic.It was one of the things that should've been changed.

[@adamkatt]

@@TheKiskoller then it wouldnt be classic

[@AliveElement1122]

I mean i get it but grenades are such a stupid thing to use in pvp and should be WAY harder to land. Half of them are nowhere near the person when jt hits.

[@YoYo-vc1os]

Hey man are you the best rogue in the game just curious ?

[@xadie1179]

Should check out Perplexity.

[@joemdawg]

you think slice n dice is good against druids

[@melonica90]

Through your videos, I found many classes including mage, warlock and shadow priest are nightmare for rogue. Poor rogues :(

[@gabbarampinelli]

no more players?

[@_Guraffenguru]

the start of those duels cmon.. in wpvp ofc it happens that a cat gets the opener on an rogue and that was fine, but him waiting in bear on the first duel is straight up lame when you play the second duel like that! ofc he would lose instantly when getting caught without bear, but still either you do it fair for both sides on BOTH duels or you don't.. both duels should have been with druid in bear and rogue in stealth which is fine.

[@domdom12-w6k]

if theres rogue/ feral druid they have free open to start the duel, if theres both first duel start one and second the other one

[@rolardnb]

You are playing with bots?

[@leesavage7565]

Man that druid needs to watch Stormlingx pvp videos so he can play druid properly vs rogues.

[@TheBlaert]

Is that a fact? Have you ever played classic feral? My guess is obviously not...

[@leesavage7565]

@@TheBlaert I got commander at lvl60 as feral druid then field marshal and gladiator in 3s in TBC as hybrid druid,but hell what do I know.

[@anthonyg6083]

Awesome gameplay

[@nicolbolas8758]

i think you would like to fight orc warrior :DD

[@gary6631]

Why don’t you ever press slice and dice

[@ScarAnimationsNL]

Its only for pve

[@xephondp]

druid could win 1st duel he made few mistakes, letting FF run off, not using NGrasp when reset, going cat form when bomb was being casted.

[@joshadama1425]

Yes man I played rogue and druid comp in cata was so fire

[@joshuanoble5895]

That druid should of just ran at the 5 minute mark... stayed in cheetah or stealthed instead decided to die with honor or somthing

[@Pumpestok]

Imagine letting faerie fire fall off -.-

[@Pumpestok]

@O K You obviously do not play a rogue. If you're faerie fired as a rogue your char is basically playing at 35% so pls don't write anymore about using ones brain.

[@bradleycooper5436]

@O K you are brainlet FF cost no mana in feral forms

[@muchugnadg]

This seems so much better than retail

[@Raubgraeber]

I would rather say rogue is nightmare, because the druid can hold out, but does zero damage!

[@lusimmons4982]

I'm more stunned that a man wearing leather and welding not 1, but 2 daggers, can stun a bear twice his size whilst covered in brambles, weeds and faeries in his eyelettes for like..... Eternity. He recovers health during all this energy expenditure and the crowd looks at us as "Fucking Druids man. They simply don't die". No one bats an eye at the rogue. Battling Fair e tis not.

[@BXEmberz0109]

Awww the druid made a huge mistake there. Thats what Pshero was waiting on 😂 biiiig mistake by the druid. Skill is what it comes down to in the end ladies and gents

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

1/29/21 build or a hybrid build with 21 points resto would be much better suited for taking on rogues. Also, need to create space and have abolish poison up before rogue tries to blind. Rogue under FF with no blind is going down, sprint won't save him. Tier 2.5, along with the AQ20 three piece set is pretty strong for a HOTW build. Let moonfire and insect swarm whittle the rogue's hp while bashing or rooting at every opportunity. Even wrath a few times as long as you are out of range of blind.

[@SteveGuyOfTheGore]

What I wanna know is, where the hell is everyone else, every other player literally just ignored you two and let you guys have a 1v1 duel?

[@excitingameplay1541]

That druid not even attacking u..

[@The0nlyy]

Great job! The Druid badly misplayed by not keeping R1 FF up when in human form. That would have been the different in the fight but I’m guessing he doesn’t have it keybound or something.

[@thisisitisbest12]

O K that Druid played fucking horrible I can name every mistake lol, any idiot can farm rank 14

[@thisisitisbest12]

@O K I watched this days ago and remember the fuck ups LOL, played too passive didn't keep up faerie fire, sat in bear the whole time, didn't utilize GCDs or dr's on rogue by going in cat form in the right moment for some bleed damage, he was useless just made the duel last long it was a loss from the start

[@thisisitisbest12]

O K I have real criticism lmao, you’re just upset by it absolutely horrible feral player it was pure garbage play loss from the start

[@TheBlaert]

@@thisisitisbest12 I'm still 100% sure he'd be a better player than you

[@kostax4489]

good duel, druid has 0 strafing skill tho lol

[@balance667]

good gear and bear form carry pretty much.. Oh, and he knows how to press ent. roots

[@FecalMatador]

• Balance • don’t forget natures grasp

[@kostax4489]

@O K sorry to dissapoont you buddu but that druid is terrible

[@br4inChiLd]

Worse Druid ever

[@yazzyyazyaz]

do u have the dumb

[@ryanfletcher317]

The Druid is an average good player... I would rather see a Druid with Javel! ‘s skills play PSHero. She would make this far more interesting.

[@domdom12-w6k]

she does not play feral

[@mattlars89]

Imagine if this druid actually fought back :) he is just meat bagging this whole time

[@djodjekg81]

A cmon no pillars 😂😂👏👏

[@Komas18]

Next time use expose armor i think it should help.

[@hltsolo]

good job bro

[@Niitro64]

The drood is too passive...

[@billyg8259]

No expose armor gg

[@Raubgraeber]

where is the duel fair if you didn't take damage lol