Roland TR-808 And TR-909 Compared With The Boutique TR-08 And TR-09

[@directed6924]

LMFAO tuning boutique versions different than original machines. Well done!

[@twiggidy]

It does the job. Music is made for the people and trust me, the ladies at the festival won't stop in their tracks and say, "wait, that drop was done on a TR-08 not a TR-808, this guy's beat sucks" Please. If you want to drop 3k to on a box the MAY work, then fine, otherwise, $300-400 to get pretty darn close is a steal.

[@lownrgy]

ladies wouldn't hear it at all if produced shitty, if track is missing something it wont be signed. the question is can boutique sound good enough even after processing right.. wait how can i process it without separate outputs

[@snowishjacobrbuyakyeby9789]

lownrgy the tr08 has separate outputs of all the sounds, which is why I want to get that one compared to the rest. Actually useable for mixing.

[@lownrgy]

dream on

[@SPAZZOID100]

lownrgy u don’t have to be signed.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Jacob Eby no it does not. USB outputs are not like having real ones.

[@nym053]

Why aren't they tuned the same?

[@sonicultura]

808 Clap much lower

[@ChrisP3000x]

Because he didn't tune them the same.

[@GianfrancoCecconi]

Ok so what’s the point of comparing them then :-)

[@nym053]

Exactly. Makes an obvious difference in sound that makes it difficult to hear the actual difference.

[@sK3LeTvM1]

@@nym053 There is no difference, that's the clue. If Tuned the same, and in a blind test, you would not be able to tell which one is the original. Do not forget that you see it in the video !

[@northerntao]

I don't think adequate time was spent tuning the voices, especially on the 08. The BD on the 09 had too much decay. There is a market for these, and this is as close as Roland has come.

[@warrenmusic]

Behringer is coming... 808 at the end of May and 909 potentially at the end of September...

[@cyborgsauce6666]

The last pattern on the 909 and 09 is fabulous

[@alexanderangelkov6338]

Its the most generic house beat ever

[@zerla6018]

@@alexanderangelkov6338 yet I can listen to 09 loop over and over🤤

[@AlainHubert]

What a poor job of matching the pitch and decay on some sounds...

[@powermod6772]

Hi, did you try to match both in sound or did you merely set the knobs to the same position? Because, the 08 and 09 sound more deep than their retro counterparts. Would be interesting, how they compare if the pitch and other parameters are matched as close as possible.

[@Sammy-st8iy]

The TR-808 Kickdrum has more punch in my opinion.

[@joseg.5167]

Hahha an the final pattern of 909 vs 09 is patetic, boutique for the clothes come on

[@jonandrewleon]

All of that can be changed with a little compression. The 08 is so close, throw a DBX 160 or 1176 on the kick and good luck telling any difference in a mix

[@ryansanderson7023]

Why were the instruments not tuned?

[@MrSilkydrew]

Boutique range is fully dope, musician jewellery.

[@RazorEdge2006]

The 808 was pure analog synthesis, whereas the 909 was a mix between analog synthesis and digital sampling. Which makes the 909 easier to replicate with modern digital sampling.

[@joseg.5167]

People here are very stupid isnt it??? we know that there is a big difference in the price, but there is a big in the sound too, if you process the sound but you start with a better sound you will have more boom tracks, yes 09 with a compressor and some eq change but then how woul change 909?? With saturation pure dirty techno thats what i love

[@alexanderragousis8978]

This still isn't a fair comparison since those 808s are super old machines with 40 year old capacitors inside them. I bet this particular 808 doesn't even sound close to what it sounded like when it was new. And beside the caps, the analog stages back then were of poor components like TL072s that downgraded the sound coming from the OSCs even more... I think that the 08 sounds closer to what the designers of Roland wanted to create back then but didn't have the budget. Am I the only one who thinks that the sound of the old 808 sounds muffled, cheap and low-fi compared to the 08?

[@PerfectCircuit]

Also no two 808s or 909s sound the same, especially with the aging components.

[@vinnytnecniv]

808 bores me , im so 909 more uplifting vibes

[@matthewjimenez9861]

@@vinnytnecniv same I like da 808 but come on da 909 isss wayyyy better

[@CentaurusRelax314]

I still find it bizarre-that in 201x or whenever these things were released, current technology can't fully emulate what we were doing in 1985. I'm not sure if we 'can't' or if Roland is just saying "it's good enough for most people." Sad, both ways. The Boutiques would probably sound okay/good, if not for the direct comparisons. The older machines have a 'weight' that the newer ones don't. They _thump._

[@bakerbakerbaker305]

it could be that the machine they were using as reference sounded that way is my thought, so when they’re compared to one in the wild they’ll still sound different, if you think about it how can such a small thing with a different build make the same sound it’s not logical, I actually think modern Roland doesn’t give a fuck and want money, their new instruments don’t really have the same charm old Roland is better except the new sp404 looks like they put some passion into it, I haven’t used the boutiques but they look like cash grabs, i have used old Roland instruments and they are so inviting to use

I'd be quite interested to hear comparison of the TR-08 and TR-09 Vs the TR-8

[@m1ke1981]

02:05 Is that The Amen break pattern? Nice touch :)

[@PerfectCircuit]

Yes it is!

[@A3Lazar]

Funny no one is commenting on that. Well done :)

[@dianemckimmy5701]

@@PerfectCircuit best if you can do the tr-808 and 909 playing 130 BPM Kick Drum by Roland

[@Zeal808]

A3Lazar right?!

[@sklgy]

Wow the tr 09 is sounding pretty deep here, and I didn't see that coming. Now I want one dammit!

[@ku-1284]

way more punch and sharpness in the old machine's in this vid! thanks for sharing!

[@PacoSalazarMusic]

The 808 original claps wins hands down.

[@MrBoxxed]

Thank you Just made up my mind to purchase

[@C303ofSweden]

Is it really so hard to get the pitch right? Or is it adjustable?

[@N1h1L3]

These aren't tuned the same to be an exact comparison imho. For Example the decay of the TR09 claps, tune of the TR09 hihats and tuning of the TR08 toms. One thing which is very noticable is the slightly different overal spectrum the old 909 has, my 909 had that same smooth sounding layer of softness but staying punchy. The TR09 still sounds better than my original 909 ever did (old serial number). Most people who comment here maybe don't know there are sometimes huge differences between original 808's and 909's.

[@lvilladj]

True ... the sound is egual!!! I''m sorry but it's very similar...

[@MacGyverGear]

Different versions.. different tuning.. If I look closely I think he matched the potties.. I don't understand your example on the TR(9)09 clap decay.. since there is no such setting they just don't sound the same.. no problem though.. just different..

[@theeltea]

So what? My 303 had different param scaling after being modded to DevilFish. Became a much more versatile and interesting unit. I can care less about it being "authentic" and having identical parameter scaling. What else? Wrong color hue on the paint job?

[@ruxiwang9571]

why the originals are sound all fuller? are they in the same setting?

[@PureAmbientDrone]

Good comparison .. for now i will keep my tr 8

[@AlienHomesick]

Get the pitch right next time

[@New_Zealand_Music]

Very nice. Thank you very much.

[@secretxrc]

Briliant, way much stronger and warmer the oldies

[@alunmauve]

Can you describe how these were recorded? Did you use individual outs from the 909, or did you use the mix out? Did yu record the 09 using stereo out or did you use individual outputs via USB audio? Is there any difference with the 09?... I know that the 909 indiviual outputs sound much better than using the Mix out, even when just recording one voice.

[@PerfectCircuit]

These were all recorded with the mix out.

[@stephenkyburz6529]

your 808 seems to be in pretty shape for an old timer

[@アナールオナール]

Thank-you very much

[@YouTubeSupportTeams]

2:46, that's a nice loop tbf, sounds nicer on the 909 but i'd bet it would be easy to replicate exactly on the 09

[@abstral66]

it just talks about it self!! nice one!

[@don1mega]

I think they are both bargains for what you get, solid build, midi, usb, sub steps, tempo display, integrated stand/case, built in speaker, "BATTERY POWERED", AND.............................................................. All the features of the original unit. WTF do you unappreciative bastards want for $349.00? I guarantee that 90% of the people who leave negative comments on The Boutique Series have not even had the pleasure of playing around on one.

[@cubdukat]

I wonder how hard it would be for Roland to make true analog Boutique versions of both the TR-08 and -09. After all, whodathunk they'd have been able to squeeze a relative true analog Minimoog into a Boutique casing? Still, these don't sound too bad. True, they're not quite like the original, but let's face it, only those in the know are really gonna know the difference between a true 808 or 909 and one of these. It won't make any difference at the club, and if either of the Boutiques gets you on your feet there, well, then that's all that matters. Even I'm trying to find a reason to get one, and I was a fan of their digital drum boxes. The only thing I wonder about is if Roland isn't undercutting sales of the TR-8 with these two...

[@itsdisko]

The last example shows how much better the 909 clap is compared to the tr09. I still think the tr09 is great though, I like the boosted decay on the BD

[@tomdejo7843]

The clap is the worse sound on the 09. You can adjust it with the setting but tbh the 909 one sounds better. All others sounds are really well made !! No one can difference a real 909 rom a 09 on a track.

[@Trig242]

I love when people complain about the boutiques/emulators Ok.....so....maybe you don't buy one then? No one is forcing you to purchase or like something.

[@theeltea]

They are just trying to justify the 4 grand for their original 909s which are collecting dust.

[@theoriginalheartstrummer]

The problem is, since you don’t seem to get it, that people want the 808 or 909, can’t justify the ridiculous price, and look to the newly released models by THE SAME COMPANY in the hope that they can offer a solution to this dilemma. When they can’t, it is indeed a massive fail and very disappointing.

[@gordontownsend6208]

Don't forget, there's a $4000 difference between a vintage 808 and a new TR-08!! Think I'll go with the TR-08 ; ]

[@DJfreddyfresh]

great choice of songs love Warp 9

[@mezzafinook]

personally, i don't mind that the new roland reissues are digital. i mind their small, toy like appearance and lack of multiple audio outputs.

[@nliviumihai]

They sound somehow close, but I guess it's the fact that they're all drum machines. But definitely not even close one to another (old & new)... you can take it as having a more personal sound (Boutique vs Original), but if Roland wanted to re-create and emulate/copy the originals, they did a pretty bad job.

[@zuur303]

I'm the market for at TR-09 and look at it this way: a decent VST of a 909 costs about 100 euros and the TR-09 unit is about 260 at the moment. That means I get hardware controls and 4 outs over usb for about 160 extra. Seems perfectly reasonable given the sound you get and the price of the original.

[@bakerbakerbaker305]

the vst actually sounds pretty good

[@jdtorian]

The big ones sound so cold and digital. Wait, I mean the little ones sound so cold and digital. Buying the tr-08 just to look at it. Saw one yesterday. Tiny and wonderful.

[@amanray]

It s a shame some guys are demoing gear without enough knowledge of it . You have submenu to pitch all the sounds

[@vasiliZaitsev]

and the reverb on the tr-09 CLAP is also adjustable in a submenu

[@AntonioLausin]

the 08 and 808 sounds more close,, the 909 and 09 sounds more different

[@SebastianSnoeck]

yes i have also that same feeling

[@itrema]

tr-09 is total crap, it sounds plastic , i own a 909 and experienced the comparison @ home...

[@KCNYC]

Which one is better? There’s no right or wrong answer, it depends on the application, budget, personal preference. My fav is original 808, hands down

[@wyromusic1937]

all due respect guys, could you do the same parameters for this one? )))

[@manuelgonzales6483]

If you are chemically enhanced you are not going to give a rats ass. Just drop the beats and get the people to the dance floor. 😉❤👽

[@andyanderson6455]

Why is the boutique so tuned up? - hard to compare the two when the boutique is tuned up higher

[@klaasj7808]

How do you get analog devices on youtube?

[@MrXamanX]

They record them digitaly :)

[@inperfectsequence7840]

and while time goes by 2020, my TR09 costs 599 on ebay, behringer does not take out his RD and roland stopped manufacturing his TR09 giving it exclusivity, with those best he had for serato and some interesting things for the sound card that the TR09 has, the sequencer midi also got a few more tricks than any 909 has. the sound is much better than the drumstation 2 has great strength in the sound and mixes better in recordings. I have my old 2900 euro TR909 and it already has its problems of jamming in the analog sound. TR09 supports the summer heat, my TR909 this year got very hot and is not as resistant as hardware, the years do not forgive.

[@maurize83]

Why do the real 808 congas and kickdrum sound in reverse?

[@nickangel6596]

Because 808 it's analogic - real world

[@atommachine]

We had two Tr909 running together at one time , i did tracks with it seq from a Mc500 and sampled it put it through Ms20 s ect ect, sold them and don't miss them but would be more than happy with a Tr 09 although i find a old RB338 combo of both does enough now days just miss the 16 lights and clicky buttons. All 909's are different. My Mates sounded just like Derrick Mays , just enjoy em and be creative , the past killed the past and the future is yet to arrive...................

[@jam_42069]

You sound fucked stop with the paste or hopefully 2027 be working for ya mate hope the time been good for ya keep roilintrippint and thass for sure you nipple teaser tweaker

[@benjaminowen1763]

All the sounds seem to last longer on the OGs. Especially on the 909 clap and open hi-hat. Could be his knob adjustments idk.

[@SPAZZOID100]

No tuning matches??

[@mikelarson1631]

For $700, the TR-8S is a great option for up and comers and\or taking on the road. But no professional or audiophile would prefer it to either the TR-808 or TR-909 in the studio. As many have noted, the Kicks aren't as warm or round, and the snare\clap\hi-hats aren't as crisp. Where you really hear the difference though is when full patterns are played, the vintage machines have a natural sounding 'groove' that isn't recreated in the TR-8S. This is due to the vintage machines having real Analog Step Sequencers. When a pattern is played, the spacing of the notes isn't 100% accurate and microscopic inconsistencies occur that actually makes it sound + feel more organic. On top of that the sound sources themselves are Analog which introduces similar inconsistencies in the audio itself. Together this is why playing a pattern on either the TR-808 or TR-909 over and over again doesn't sound like a loop. But if you sampled a pattern directly from either machine, looping a measure of it would sound like a loop because its exactly the same every time. Likewise, the TR-8S has a digital sequencer that's perfectly quantized and plays back exactly the same every time... making it sound like a loop. Although the TR-909 has Midi, no professional sequences it that way, it sounds better to sequence internally and sync via Din Sync. The market never lies- the price of vintage Minimoog Model D's has dropped dramatically in the last two years because Moog's re-release of it is literally Exactly the same. On the other hand the price of vintage TR-808's and TR-909's have skyrocketed to around $4,000 each, this is because they simply sound and feel better. Roland has released multiple 808/909/303 emulators over the years and within a short period of time they sell for a fraction of the retail price on Ebay. I have zero faith Roland will ever release proper 100% analog drum machines in the future. Even if they tried, they'd find a way to screw it up by adding a digital controller + sequencer or whatever.

[@MrProminister]

Top comment here mate!

[@fitagoraz]

Hey!..If using a little the tr-08 compressor inside then it makes less differences. Come on! ...Tr-08 much better built-in than tr-09.

[@Meteotrance]

there is also a true probleme, every analog drum machine produce by Roland are different from each other, they have no consistency, take two analog machine from the same model there is some difference, and the model they use at there factory for modeling are probably different sounding than the one use by someone like Prodigy or Carl Cox, same thing for some good VST or RE software.

[@nommnommnomnom]

they are different, I think boutique 08 & 09 sounds milder. btw I like em

[@annilittlebeast1750]

*I think the new devices sound very good and these little nuances in the sound difference to the old devices, you can easily compensate with any DAW and plugins.*

[@lownrgy]

only if there was separate outputs then yes

[@annilittlebeast1750]

yes, of course, and the outputs have these two devices, because you can allocate the Midi channels, if that's not enough, could synonymous sequentially each sound (by solo function) except on a separate track, so the possibility is there. But even if you edit the stereo sum for good plugins, you will get even better sound.

[@lownrgy]

i definitely have no time for soloing takes of drum tracks while recording, i have also put fortune to assembly massive multitracking system with high end preamps, fast ssd drives and super flexible routing systems. using two channel is a joke, it's mandatory for professional result to mix bass, snare, hihats and claps separately. this has been discussed many times and it's very unfortunate they blew it

[@annilittlebeast1750]

OK! I always work in the recording studio with my Pro Tools DAW and the Waves audio plugins so that I take the time to record each drum instrument individually so I can mix each drum instrument separately and the result is absolutely good and professional.

[@lownrgy]

but how do you performance track by track

[@macfrankist]

Analogue>digital in this case.

[@saardean4481]

the 808+08 comparison is not that good imo.... They are playing a kick on a different pitch. How can you compare this then? You should tonically match the kick first. This influences the balance and more importantly the weight-feel of all elements together

[@saardean4481]

Now i see-hear that it`s the same with the 909+09 comparison. I don`t get this. Your videos are usually more on point

[@modularcat5743]

Why WHY the tiny knobs and buttons? It just looks wrong!

[@thrashxd4xlife105]

You should be able to change the tunings on the 09. You can on the 08.

[@EnochDark]

Thank you for this simple yet to the point, high quality comparison. The 8's sound quite similar (if not identical) to me and I don't get what all the whining is about. The 9's on the other hand definitely have a noticeable difference in character. My only complaint so far is the tiny size... I guess at least they are slightly larger than Volcas. Meanwhile, I think I still want a Tom Cat.

[@AveMcree]

Huge differences in sound quality..... Not to mention the I/O's

[@TJ-vv3ex]

There is a massive difference between the 8’s

[@EnochDark]

Yet you and the previous guy fail to explain what the difference is, like so many others I have seen commenting on other videos. Opinions are like...

[@AveMcree]

you have ears right?

[@EnochDark]

You are rude right? My ears are fine however I am listening with only small speakers because I have recently moved and have yet to set up larger speakers but thank you for your concern.

[@gadd1111]

I think the tr09 is more relevant today sound wise

[@83Philip]

Great Comparison. Its very clear the clones are decent, useable, fun whatever, sure. But the originals, its not. Not even a good clone either. Nothing is like an original.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Not quite the “Light years” pattern.

[@johnnybagwash2456]

to me both the tr909 and tr09 are running at different speeds same with the 808 and tr08

[@dianemckimmy5701]

If you can do 130 BPM Kick Drum battle

[@JeremySimonDJ]

All of these comparisons videos , based on sound alone , are in my opinion ridiculous. I own a TR-09 and have heard a 909 live , and you do hear a slight difference, but i don't think that its possible to pick it up with youtube audio quality .

[@DaveMNada]

08 and 09 are semi-pro toys for people that are feed-up of sampling, re-sampling, and work inside computers and/or not having the money to get the overpriced originals, and since there's always going to be a difference between analog and digital I don't see the point of this comparison videos, make music, not tutorials...

[@andyparle5494]

Dave M. Nada then why did you watch the video? Its like watching a wine tasting video and saying you should be drinking the wine not just tasting it. Pretty dumb

[@fededj2002]

Well, the t-09 is analog you idiot. And for that money it sounds terrific

[@annilittlebeast1750]

*Dave M. Nada* Then I ask myself, why the TR 09 is used everywhere in the big professional studios for productions ?? I think you have misunderstood something.

[@DaveMNada]

I love the TR-09 and TR-08, I also love the TR-8 and own a TB-3, I'm talking about comparision vídeos, not the gear so yeah, you all missunderstood me...

[@theeltea]

And 808/909 are what? Professional tools? No one needs those anymore apart from a few idiots in their 40s with more money than common sense and a stroke of nostalgia.

[@TheTightiewhities]

the clap on the 09 has no shimmer or sparkle.

[@saintnicholas5507]

sell the patterns id buy

[@sergeyklimenkov]

ну японцы, сами себя повторить не смогли, ни украсть, ни посторожить, как говорится, удивительно. the modern machines are totally out if tune

[@inperfectsequence7840]

hahaha great lowend fom TR09 in 2:13... 😂😂👏👏

[@LB-nr8tb]

Tr 909 for me sound really really better than tr 09 and tr 08 sounds better than 808

[@woopeedyscoop1858]

wow that is big difference

[@theorgandude]

boutique 08 a half semitone lower pitch than the original, drums sounded much less interesting on boutique. in particular the claps which had a richer quality on the original. tr808 wins easily. boutique 09 sounded depper and richer on the other hand, boutique wins :)

[@Trig242]

I agree I preferred the 09 sound better than the 909 [in this case]. As for the TR-08 I saw a demo with some "hidden" menu options that really seemed to expand its beefiness [compressor, additional decay lengths] and I'm curious how it would compare with those enabled. Either way, I still ordered an 08, love the form factor, it sounds close enough for me, and I in no way could ever drop the coin for a vintage 808. I like the Drumbrute as well, should be a good piece of kit.

[@jsphstbn3244]

TR-08 Claps sounds more like twerk claps.

[@snake007usaactual]

damn man this isn't bad fr

[@savanaviolenta]

I prefer the sound of the boutiques. Especially the TR09 is so much powerful and fat sounding. TR08 is 99,9% there.

[@godot5082]

The Tr09 sounds crap the bass is completely off, no bounce, digital and no charakteristic

[@AlainHubert]

Another case of someone that didn't take enough time to better match the sounds... Thumbs down.

[@oskarmauriciomorenorivera6306]

A ROLAND HIPSTERS BOUTIQUE....

[@fitagoraz]

oskar rivera moreno U really really made me laugh a lot & U won a beer for.. Regards! I did buy the Fantastic tr-08!

[@chello________3120]

Yuck those claps on the new ones drive me nuts

[@st0rmchild]

Another invalid comparison. Sounds not tuned properly.

[@torybrasileiro3026]

Tr808 has more reverb than tr08

[@cresshead]

different reverb levels

[@PerfectCircuit]

There isn't any reverb added on any of this video.

[@cresshead]

different levels/settings

[@uakadyknow9712]

very difficult. both machines are indeed out of tune. I think they all sound good but the originals are the best..

[@dver89]

Come on PCA, you could have done a way better job matching the sounds between the units. Congratulations on making the boutique ones sound like shit compared to the originals.

[@sergeyklimenkov]

даже кик драм не похож, ужас какой

[@andersharmsiddlyumptious]

amen break on 909

[@CDA43]

The new one is too much of a little toy to live in my studio.

[@djkrixa]

It's not remakes - they are plastic toys!! Small and still overpriced. I'd rather use samples from the real ones :(

[@SPAZZOID100]

Krixa they are made of metal. The tb-03 is metal. Original 303 was made of plastic.

[@synthetic24]

Boutique sounds better!

[@maccagrabme]

It really doesn't.

[@synthetic24]

For me sounds the boutique better than the Original. Sorry...

[@martinotegui7989]

Boutique Is pitched down

[@gcgb2186]

Bring on the Boutique SP-1200!!!!!!!!!

[@AveMcree]

The SP-1200 was made by E-MU systems not Roland.... lmao

[@_EightySix]

AHAHAHAHA THATS FUCKIN RICH! YOU'RE HILARIOUS!

[@lownrgy]

i would buy it

[@SPAZZOID100]

Tee Bee not a Roland product.

[@Mark-ec3lp]

Only the originals sound good, the Boutique are nasty toys.

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

Another video proving the 808 and 909 boutiques are quite lacking, especially the 808. The snare, hats, and clap sound terrible on the Boutique version. The kick on the 909 loses all its fullness on the Boutique version. Jesus Roland, just release analog ones already... or do you need Studio Electronics to do it right for ya.

[@oracle-0018]

They sound terrible digital is not the same as analogue. I was going to buy before I heard the comparisons on you tube. Saved myself $499

[@oracle-0018]

I might say these factors aside. As a person who is inclined to the 808 sound there is a lack of depth in the tr08 the comparison steered me away from purchasing. Good quality samples are much closer!

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

Oracle -001 Exactly! Even the TB-3 and TB-03 are quite lacking. Audiorealism ABL3 VST sounds much closer to the original 303. If I'm gonna have a digital sounding 808/909, I may as well use proper samples instead.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Oracle -001 u are insane.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Oracle -001 half of the sounds in the 909 are digital samples.

[@Mandy-vp6nv]

Roland we do not want Digital Emulation !!! Thank you Behringer we see that in 2020 xD

[@CDA43]

Yea, if you didnt have them side to side you probably wouldnt notice how the new versions are sterile like everything else new.

[@bakerbakerbaker305]

damn