‘Romantically Active’ Ex-Wife Placed in Embarrassing Pose After Murder | Chanin Starbuck Analysis

[@BlackSheep_216]

The judge that ordered $4700 a month should go to jail for being involved in the M.

[@daynasafranek7807]

‘M’, as in murder?

[@daynasafranek7807]

Simply changing the word never changes the meaning or act, it’s not a dirty word. It’s ok.

[@hhp2932]

That was a crazy amount especially since he couldn't work

[@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName]

​@daynasafranek7807 they were probably trying not to trigger youtube censoring.

[@Lastofthefreenames]

​@@daynasafranek7807censorship disagrees and will keep fighting to change words like suicide to self delete to unalive. It's so dumb

[@mrparlanejxtra]

Remarriage a person a second time is always a bad move. Leopards do not change their spots.

[@rockon8174]

Dude was lazy.

[@Pilot-617]

Simply not always true.

[@james-faulkner]

"Remarrying"

[@A4Natty]

​@@rockon8174how was he lazy and earning so much ? His wife sounds like a cheater and lose woman, I bet she cheated on him and destroyed the marriage

[@crapple009]

Especially after she had had another man's baby. What....was....Clay....even....thinking?

[@huebdoo]

$4700 a month living north of Spokane ... was the Judge one of the guys "visiting" shannon?

[@youneke]

Best comment here. They drove this man to insanity added to his wives lust for men. She had no stable job, no stable home, added onto his back injury this man still

[@jonistender5949]

Yeah that's an insane price for the area and the time! Doesn't add up to me.

[@jorgegonzales4153]

@@jonistender5949its called slavery. Often the amount is imputed, not based on fiscal data. Imputed without the advice of a CPA, but just some administrative judge w/o a law degree.

[@Cazador60140]

she had leased an helicopter for one year

[@lindanorris2455]

right on!

[@MimiRAM0NE]

I don't see how Clay can be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when there was other DNA and they only cleared one of her lovers.

[@jtzoltan]

They cleared 2 of her lovers but didn't investigate any of the other 8 that month (and I'm not sure if she'd only been doing online hookups that one month or if there was multiple months worth).

[@lindap.p.1337]

His DNA was not on her phone. It was one of her lovers.

[@zopEnglandzip]

@@lindap.p.1337 and another family member's, I'm kinda surprised none of the children were considered, maybe they hated what their mother was doing to their loving father?

[@Wentr-z]

@@zopEnglandzip bahahaha loving father? he had broken into and stalked ex's, she had his dna under her finger nails. the women haters are real in this one. probably cause yall cant get any. far from a loving father.

[@michaelwaninger3155]

Don't see how they can charge him with a crime. Except maybe for not doing it soon enough for the daughter. God only knows what happened to her with mom running that many strange men thru the house

[@Craterface666]

This wouldn't happen if the state didn't fuck over men in divorce. Women shouldn't get a payday for being evil.

[@marissavallejo2987]

Agree

[@griffinsalmon5798]

100% there is no incentive for young men to marry women, long term dating absent an idiotic contract that favors one party is favorable.

[@JamieLedweather]

Maintenance is absolutely ridiculous. Child support should "maintain" by itself. I hate how they do men and I'm not even one.

[@EducatedNow]

An old friend came home from work early to surprise his wife, he found her in his bed with another man. She got his house, 2 kids and more in the divorce. She blamed him for her cheating on him. What kind of justice is that?

[@richardcrocker8048]

One reasonless and less men are getting married.

[@Ocelot1962]

She entertained more semen than Bob Hope.

[@barbaraweiss8686]

Oh you’re so clever Ffs someone’s mom was murdered Take your bs jokes to another story

[@Ocelot1962]

@@barbaraweiss8686 Yes, and the mom was an adulteress tramp who treacherously messed with her husband’s head until he broke. And now she’s dead. Boo F-ing hoo cry me a river 😭

[@a.fitzpatrick4395]

Navy guys.....yeah !

[@WhyteLis21]

You should check out that one European guy who donated his sperms and father hundreds of kids. Lol.

[@mika009]

That is so relevant in 2024.

[@jenny-DD]

This women has been cheating on him for years - his 1st mistake is marrying her his 2nd mistake is remarrying her

[@JayJay-ee7rb]

Uh, no. His mistake was killing her. Stop victim blaming, beyotch.

[@KeithLuttrell-fj7tu]

Her favorite toy as a child was a pogo stick

[@Ocelot1962]

@@KeithLuttrell-fj7tu 🤣🤣🤣

[@raindogs451]

@@KeithLuttrell-fj7tu😂😂😂😂

[@raindogs451]

You have it backwards. His FIRST mistake was remarrying her. Hell, by then his eyes were wide opening. The first marriage he could claim ignorance

[@ronnie_5150]

A sex toy was in her hand and "was deployed in a manner consistent with it's primary purpose." This guy kills me. 🤣🤣🤣 I subscribed purely based on that description.

[@philosopherwithin]

The sex toy being *deployed* was my favorite line, too. Dr. Grande is an absolute master of the smart man’s wordplay

[@smooth_pursuit]

“He sent his ex-wife text messages, which contained a theme of anger” 😂

[@TavistockLiesBrainwashing]

​@@smooth_pursuit😂

[@teddyjackson1902]

It’s crazy that she was awarded custody with that lifestyle. That instability is absolutely terrible for children.

[@kellymack6882]

Welcome to Washington State!

[@TavistockLiesBrainwashing]

The system couldn't care less

[@annazaman9657]

She had been having affairs for years, even after the first divorce, why would he suddenly get jealous enough to kill?

[@Ocelot1962]

It wasn't just jealousy. She divorce-raped him. It shows how divorce laws are now rabidly anti-male. If the husband cheats, the wife walks away with cash and prizes, leaving the husband a broken man. And if the wife cheats, the wife walks away with cash and prizes, leaving the husband a broken man.

[@janedoe4316]

Such things are not unheard of, especially when you pay that much, & owe that much

[@emilyvee4922]

The arrears was causing him to be looking at jail time.

[@kaym.2854]

Probably because he realised it was the end of the relationship for real this time and he couldn't deal with the fact that she was having sex with other people. A huge blow to his ego. So many moving parts to this story. It's always a tragedy for the children involved- They lost both parents who clearly didn't prioritize them.

[@hhp2932]

You finally had enough.

[@davidhess6561]

$4700 a month that's insane. Clay was probably destitute, and she was having the time of her life, and Clay couldn't take it anymore.

[@Johnson-Sequoia]

Only owing 2 months of alimony and likely getting close to being done with that obligation seems like a weak motive.

[@darthkek1953]

When that's £10k and another £5k on-top _basically for forever_ despite being out of work. Wow, heavy shit.

[@trfaison]

Agreed. There is too much reasonable doubt here

[@ahill4642]

Surely he had jealousy rage going back many years.

[@ronhall5395]

Why would he remarry her then still work in Alaska while she stayed in Washington He had to know she was racking up the hook ups like crazy. Even with five kids in the house at that time, I am sure she didn't care if they saw her doing it. I certainly would never have had more kids with her. I Guess He thought that would settle her down? Not likely. I wonder where the two oldest boys were when this happened?

[@leojanuszewski1019]

​@@ahill4642 Oh "surely." 🙄

[@euchiron]

The daughter who took her own life must have been terrified. That's heartbreaking

[@geekinasuit8333]

Yeah, it was a total mess of a situation. I felt so bad hearing about the girl taking her own life. The dad should have tried to get the mom help for the reckless sex addiction, instead he gave her an execution, it's fortunate the crazy dad did not also kill his kids.

[@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord]

@@geekinasuit8333 Why the he11 would he have killed his kids? They weren't ripping him off and trying to get him sent to jail.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@geekinasuit8333 Seemed like the mom had the bigger issues than the father ever did. She collects thousands of dollars and sleeps with a myriad of random men she met online? No wonder the kids defend their father and profess his innocence…

[@zstanic127]

​@@geekinasuit8333fukkin lol its not the job of the husband to fix his slùt wifes slùt behavior.

[@RideoutMr]

Wow didn't know that...poor thing.

[@mrparlanejxtra]

If you find your partner is having a relationship with others it is time to walk away and not look back

[@deecarter147]

And get reeled back in by the alimony.

[@matthewmorton7386]

What part about $4700 a month did you not get?😂😂😂

[@teddyjackson1902]

He did?

[@BoRisMc]

Prosecutor: whose DNA was found in Shannon’s body? Forensics: Yes!

[@ronald3836]

Forensics: ask around at Starbucks.

[@Vaportrail56]

lol

[@adotintheshark4848]

also forensics: "Everybody's"

[@davidcox3076]

The medical examiner was probably finding DNA from his friends and family

[@gordons-alive4940]

Several contributors to DNA were found. How long does that kind of DNA last?

[@jarrodmelson7802]

A black light scan for dna in that place probably would have been bright enough to see from space

[@UneducatedGeologist]

As many splatters as stars in the sky

[@know-ledge1707]

😅

[@GBEdmonds-j1i]

They said it looked like a Jackson Pollock painting 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@jeffpoyner4198]

@@GBEdmonds-j1i I came here to say to say that too!😂😂

[@truecrimeraw4545]

Lmao

[@orlandomolina7192]

Wait. They divorced while she delivered another man’s baby? Then reconciled 4 months after? And he took her back with another man’s baby? 🤮. Bruh…. 🤦🏻‍♂️ what a dope.

[@heatherchandler1184]

He probably even asked for her back, wouldn’t be surprised

[@GonzoT38]

My wife has a friend who married and separated and had a baby with another man and he still took her back and agreed to r a i s e the kid. They still divorced anyways. Real world cuckolds

[@SP-qo3pd]

Everyone makes at least one stupid mistake with women. Dude married his mistake, but he was likely thinking about his kids. He was a good father that hoped she'd slow down, but a ho like that never will.

[@crapple009]

She must have been...er, very talented. Or something like that..

[@zephyer-gp1ju]

My Grandparents split and divorced at one point. Not long later they remarried and stayed that way until their death. They often fought. My Dad wouldn't put them in the same nursing home because my granddad needed a higher level of care, and he didn't want calls from the nursing home that they were yelling at each other. I didn't find out until a few years ago that they had slept in different rooms. On my mom's side, I don't really know the whole story but my Aunt slept in an upstairs bedroom and spent most of her time in the living room, kitchen, when she wasn't at work. Her husband had a few rooms in the basement and except for meals, spent most of his time in the basement.

[@andreaurelius45]

ANOTHER example of FAMILY COURT ABUSE, CAUSE AND EFFECT.

[@jennyb1650]

I’ve not finished the video but I’m confused, they had custody of 2 kids each, she had 1 additional from another man, he was unemployed and he had to pay her $4700 a month? 😮 That’s crazy!

[@patriciovarela8794]

That happends all the time. That is why you don't get married in America if you are a male.

[@gemmalocatelli5916]

​@@patriciovarela8794really? If a male? My ex paid zero. He also was given every leniency under the sun. I was screwed over by him reporting me daily. Theres no black n white argument.

[@heatherchandler1184]

@@patriciovarela8794 the thing is that he was unemployed. It’s not like he was making money (on the books) and refusing to pay.

[@patriciovarela8794]

@@gemmalocatelli5916 what you say is true. Some man are like that.

[@protoman1214]

​@gemmalocatelli5916 some people take that rhetoric about males not marrying too far. But there is an undeniable preference towards women in divorce settings. It is literally undeniable. Sure, there are cases where the women might not get a fair settlement but you are in a minority. What was he reporting you for on a daily basis? That sounds wild

[@jademcqueen5474]

I can't even cope with my one life and emails....marriage, 10 men and 6 different email addresses 😮 her biscuits must of been burning.

[@chameleonsoule314]

Foreal! 😮

[@betsylaughlin8652]

Sadly, sounds more like a sex/love addict than anything. 10 men isn’t fun, it’s a sign of compulsive behavior.

[@ktkt9982]

Sounds exhausting to me 😅

[@oregonsnob31]

I can see youre thirsty, but it’s still gross that her choices as a single female are your first focus and energy spent to comment rather than commenting that an Innocent Woman was MURDERED and he left all their children orphaned. As “shocking” as this is for hooded eyes, facts say , many men do this too and a “hole” lot more and nobody seems to be that shocked by their multiple partners nor blame them for being murdered. Why do you think that is?? Really think about your thought process here. We need to do better as a society. And it starts with you, parched or not.

[@bigboy7927]

🤣biscuits burning.🤣

[@Maree_CK]

$4700 a month?! That’s crazy!

[@markiangooley]

I’ve seen cases of men with high-paying jobs in the boom days of Silicon Valley being required to make high child-support payments - and then losing their jobs, with no change to the size of the payments.

[@BidensTaint]

Washington state… liberals

[@ilovemycat___]

@@markiangooleyso it’s only means tested at the start?

[@poindextertunes]

@@markiangooleyum ok? Guys like that just get another high paying job

[@zumptt]

Not to mention its by definition sexist towards woman. Why can't a woman provide for her family exactly I thought they were equal to men?

[@canadiankrispybacon]

$60k a year in Child Support..let that sink in for a minute 🤔 Man not working due to injury…doesn’t matter..pay up!

[@mikie0452]

Child support and alimony

[@davel7014]

I'm not convinced he did it. Too many unanswered questions about the DNA

[@robertjones2811]

I give it 50/50. If the gender was reversed she would have walked.

[@BRichard312]

The wife was an aspiring dental assistant? I would not want those hands anywhere near my mouth with or without gloves.

[@stanallport6746]

pretty rude comment

[@joreywinmill5226]

@@stanallport6746pretty funny comment *

[@gmjent5671]

@@stanallport6746Rude? Hugh.

[@phataton7588]

Anyone who’s “aspiring” to be a dental assistant Doesn’t have much aspirations

[@Wentr-z]

everyone has sex, just cause your probably have none, doesnt mean she couldnt do whatever she wanted in this life. grow up.

[@raukawa4732]

“Cut loose a little bit” that’s an understatement if ever I heard one.

[@missJolie85]

She was dating though, she didn't sleep with most of them. The dad was on a real smear campaign and seems like it worked on some people.

[@e.a.4926]

​@@missJolie85He didn't need to smear her, she smeared herself by having countless affairs during the marriage and dating/doing dozens of men after the marriage ended. Strange men coming in and out of the house, including 10 in one month alone. With young children in the home. And she was a "Christian." 🙄 Almost 5k a month in support because she wouldn't get a job. What a joke.

[@missJolie85]

@@e.a.4926 Are you a family member of him, since you are answering every where? Miss bad Christian woman who is slut shaming and pasning judgment om others like a pro?

[@missJolie85]

@@e.a.4926 Are you a family member of him, I see you everywhere, miss «Christian» lady who loves to shame and pass judgement?

[@nuketheswamp7774]

She destroyed Clay with the aid of the state and he reciprocated. Reform needs to happen for the sake of both sexes.

[@missJolie85]

He had a lot of unpaid child support and the judge got sick of that and ordered 50% of his disability (he was on disability later on) because he was tired of that. Read up on this case, there is a lot more to the story. He was really after her, he even had a restraining order at one point, and all the things about her sleeping with everybody came from him. She did date and she did have sex, but not in the insane amount people seems to think here. He was very jealous and controlling.

[@jkneeland89]

@@missJolie85 It would be a lot of unpaid child support if the monthly amount ordered by the judge was REASONABLE, but in this case, it was only 2 months' worth, so not "a lot."

[@missJolie85]

@@jkneeland89 Does this even sound logical to you. it would take longer than 2 months to have this case up in court again, so obviously it's more than 2 months.

[@Jimschrbr]

@@missJolie85 just the fact that he got her to leave Florida for Alaska is proof enough that he is controlling and manipulative!

[@jkneeland89]

@@missJolie85 Do the math, he owes $4700 a month, it’s a approximately 2 months worth.

[@susanhill149]

4700 a month is ridiculous Unless he was earning upwards of $300 grand a year it’s way too much. I don’t believe in maintenance or alimony. Just reasonable child support. And all that DNA on her is just disgusting 🤮 . If people honored their wedding vows they’d be a lot better off and so would their kids.

[@Rebecca-hc5ju]

If he was earning $300,000/year, that would only be 18 point something, of his income.

[@mynameismin3]

He shouldn't have to pay her a cent. she was a serial cheater. she destroyed his life. why should she be rewarded for it?

[@custardgannet4836]

Should their kids be responsible for that? He gets to dead beat out cos his wife was running around getting stretched on the daily? That's not the kids fault.​@@mynameismin3

[@xenophagia]

​@@custardgannet4836 She shouldn't have had custody of the kids.

[@joshuagann8026]

​@@custardgannet4836then take care of your kids. easily could have got custody the woman was clearly unstable. You have custody of the kids you can actually support THEM not the wh-re .

[@carolcooper3138]

"Romantically active" 😂

[@BidensTaint]

Loose*

[@sadiestoltzfus9798]

Male contributing DNA😀.

[@human_4real]

She's for the streets 🎉

[@haggis525]

The town bicycle.

[@ydoicare2000]

Ho, she was active alright.

[@bh5606]

Judge who ordered that payment was nuts given Shannon’s behavior.

[@MiamiChica]

Love how people disguise cheating as “polyamory”

[@gingercat7925]

Medical research.

[@jamegumb7298]

But that is what it is. Monogamy is a male construct that never had place in human relationships, expecting monogamy is toxic patriarchy because it reinforces male ownership of the female body. Her body her choice.

[@kylez8010]

@@jamegumb7298 Just say whatever they want you to say. The idea that monogamy was invented by men for men is absurd on its face.

[@jamegumb7298]

@@kylez8010 Women have a right and reason to cheat. Men never do.

[@Kari.F.]

Cheating? They were formally divorced.

[@paulclinton6414]

She brought dozens of random men around her kids.

[@enjoystraveling]

How do you know she brought the strangers around her children. Maybe she only did it when they were at school and or weekends when they were visiting their friends. Do we really know or is that an assumption.

[@enjoystraveling]

I don’t think it’s wrong to have Romantic encounters when you’re not married any longer although it’s probably not so wise to have so many and to date men more wisely, especially if you have young children.

[@lisaaustin4561]

You don’t know that! Her kids weren’t toddlers. Maybe they were at school? Maybe she met them at a hotel. Who cares. Men behave FAR worse and nobody blinks an eye.

[@BidensTaint]

@@enjoystraveling well how’d that turn out for her?

[@SunShine-vo8kj]

​@enjoystraveling with 10 men though. That's insane 😳 Even the doctor said "that lifestyle is not without risk" Doctor also said many men were coming to her house, listen @ 11:11 timestamp.

[@jimkalfakis9893]

His biggest mistake was taking her back, let alone with another man’s offspring.

[@johnmorris7960]

He probably did it to get out of the child support.

[@coyboybc]

I know a woman that went back to her ex husband that cheated on her with multiple women and had children by the women her ex husband cheated with and she still took him back after mental abuse and stealing from her! It’s crazy how people think!

[@tammys.1543]

So sad. The kids lost the parent lottery didn’t they?

[@southrules]

She was a bad mom? Where do you get evidence of that

[@kaym.2854]

@@southrules Was she the perfect moral example by teaching her kids to live a risky life and exposing them to all kinds of strangers? So many ways her reckless behavior can be damaging. .

[@TaylorElizabethHunt]

@@kaym.2854not if it was in private( not around the kids)

[@kaym.2854]

@@TaylorElizabethHunt please. if it was evident to everyone else, you think the kids who lived there would'nt have known?

[@southrules]

@@kaym.2854 yeah kids don’t know that their parents have sex, also isn’t it just terrible that people like to have sex, she is so evil! How dare her enjoy sex

[@kam2162]

One year we were having the family Christmas party at my mom's. I was in the bedroom with an overstimulated baby trying to calm her down. My mom let my son play with the phone (landline) because it was keeping him busy. It had large buttons on it. Well he inadvertently called 911. The 911 operator called back to see what was the problem. My mom explained that it was my son, but the police did indeed come out to my moms to make sure everything was ok. Why did no one show up at Chanin's?? Could her murder have been prevented if they had?

[@williamcooper9843]

Excellent point.

[@cardinalchiropractic7439]

No she was already dead by then sadly

[@jackflash8218]

No one wants to do their fk'n job anymore! The mentality out there seems to be, "eh, too much work... why bother?" Just the bare fk'n minimum.

[@MrSeanman30]

Someone else did it after she was dead

[@christianbrix4311]

Dr. G and I have very different interpretations of the word 'romantic'

[@ahill4642]

☺️ This is Dr. G’s way of keeping things clean/gently sarcastic.

[@whattheflimflam]

He doesn't want KZbin to strike the video😂

[@ttrainor70]

That's a lot of DNA

[@SetiSupreme]

Yikes is an understatement

[@kdw75]

@@limbeboy7 I don't know, she seemed like she was sexually active with anyone that was willing.

[@Brad-v3y]

she could have saved her ex the money and started a career in film

[@bencorrell7851]

I don’t know. It sounds like she was having sex with man after man after man. I wonder if the ex husband just developed a jealous rage combined with disgust and acted on it.

[@geekinasuit8333]

@@limbeboy7 The other evidence was too much to ignore, the ex-husband definitely did it, look up the story. Everyone had an alibi except for the ex-husband, who left DNA and other incriminating evidence behind. There were other incidents where he was stalking his ex, breaking into her home and stealing stuff. It was unclear that the mom was a sex addict, that was an accusation made by the ex-husband who probably planted the sex toys.

[@robertbrode3210]

As a person involved in the law for 50 years, You have a presented a great analysis and posed the crucial question; was there reasonable doubt. I agree there was.

[@johnjames2470]

How does a man on disability pay close to 5k a month for "maintenance" and child support? I looked up "court ordered maintenance", and it is just a substitute word for alimony. Its definition is to allow the spouse to maintain her existing lifestyle. In other words, Clay was forced to pay his wife so she can have sex with other men. To rub salt in his wound, Clay was forbidden to see two of his biological children. I wonder if the courts secretly monitor these types of situations to see how long before violence is initiated?

[@DwightStJohn-t7y]

The courts would answer to that point: not our mandate over oversee lifestyles or possibles. We can't tell the future.

[@davidsellers3639]

@@DwightStJohn-t7ystill culpable

[@user-po5po6pn8o]

They don't care they just want their cut.

[@johnjames2470]

@@DwightStJohn-t7y : While the courts cant see the future, anyone with a working brain can see this type of financial hardship alongside the unfair terms imposed against the man can and will lead to violence.

[@bluedistortions]

This alimony agreement was harsher than the treaty of Versailles. In both instances, an unfair agreement forced on a party results in backlash.

[@geekinasuit8333]

Imagine being unable to speak, and you managed to dial 911 in secret while being held captive, but no one bothers to show up at your home, and you end up being murdered. It appears that no investigation was done after the 911 call was received, and even a simple welfare check was bungled. I can only speculate as to how high the level of policing incompetence may be in this situation like this. Here's what I think, the incompetence was very high. As to Clay's innocence, I think he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but a much more professional and conclusive investigation should have been performed.

[@Cometcast12]

This is a huge problem with police. They ignore or don’t follow up quickly on things like this. They’re working on other things like pulling over mostly law abiding citizens at random and doing fishing expeditions to invent charges. That means they’re safe, flexing their power, and working on “their terms”. That’s what police enjoy doing with their time

[@bangbangboogie8671]

Wow excellently worded. Thanks for sharing.

[@llYossarian]

I always wonder about situations like this and if the victim knew how to tap out an SOS, would an emergency operator would even recognize it? -- edit: It would almost always be possible to tap the receiver _(3 quick, 3 slow, 3 quick)_ more quietly than it would to actually dial 911 ...I also wonder if repeating the SOS would be more or less likely to confuse the operator.

[@evansmith2279]

The 4th amendment and “castle doctrine” are very high bars to hurdle. Generally speaking, with 911 hang ups, in the absence of any further info suggestive of exigency, police can’t enter.

[@cogitoergospud1]

Cell phones don’t give an address. And in a lot of cases, no owner identity.

[@stevenhard3961]

This is why you NEVER EVER EVER reconcile with a CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@godmagnus]

Because if they'll cheat they'll murder 🙄

[@samu-eljackson4211]

She literally f'ed around and found out.

[@mslou-dj9oq]

Hope the FBI keeps tabs on you. You are sick

[@shoechew]

Around and around and around.

[@anamositykilla2190]

Keep poking the bear. The bear gone kill you with no remorse. I don't think people get that analogy. Or was never taught to "You just can't fuck with anybody, because you never know what they're capable of" or probably never heard a old man tell you to "Treat other people as if they are having a bad day. Treat them with love and care because you never know if they're gonna snap and if you cause that snap. You are the one whose gonna pay for the repucusions ."

[@danielle9825]

@@anamositykilla2190 he stayed there to be poked, at some point you can’t blame the other person, he should’ve moved on, she didn’t love him she loved sex, for whatever reason that is who she was and he knew it, if that wasn’t what he wanted why did he stay? Killing her was his choice, he had more than one choice

[@ShaneSaxson]

Well ladies, think about taking everything from a man very seriously. You might not like the outcome. I’m not making excuses for this guys actions. But people with nothing to lose may take drastic action.

[@RullXov]

Thanks, Dr. Grande and FYI Adam Montgomery was sentenced today to a minimum of 45 years plus other consecutive sentences in N H.

[@zachforbes3901]

Sounds like a classic case of fuck around and find out

[@cathexis1325]

If I was on the jury...I would have voted not guilty. This is not evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

[@RodneyBray-p7p]

Obviously we can't see it all just watching this video, but based on what's said here, I agree with you. It's not a jury's job to make someone pay during deliberations, only to determine if the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I think way too many juries want to make someone pay on their watch. She deserves justice for sure but convicting someone who may be innocent is not the answer.

[@lyndawest923]

I agree.

[@TwistedQuestionMark]

Absolutely agree.

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

You realize the trial went on for several weeks right? The jurors hurt a whole hell of a lot that isn't covered here. Did you see any parts of the trial or the closing statements? These reasonable doubts that you think are there I wonder why the defense attorneys didn't make them? Do you think that's incompetence and the defense attorneys were engaged in malpractice or what? I don't know if you've ever been on a jury but what goes on in jury deliberations is markedly different from what gets reported publicly. The system is not perfect but it's a hell of a lot more bias to let guilty people go free then guilty people to get convicted although all these true crime podcasts and TV shows makes everybody think that things work much different than they really do

[@arawilson]

@@PicaPauDiablo1 A lot of people think "beyond a reasonable doubt" means zero doubt at all, like, smoking gun and video of the act.

[@carpathianken]

0:31 I didn't know Eddie Munster was a member of the Starbuck family.

[@calico-kat-mom6204]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ydoicare2000]

😂😂😂😂

[@psyclotronxx3083]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@myasmindandbodymeditation2694]

😂😂😂

[@autumn111155551]

Seriously, is that his natural hairline or some weird comb-over?

[@ronald3836]

"DNA from the Starbuck family" confused me until I realised Starbuck is the surname.

[@kristoffseisler2163]

i thought he meant barista people

[@kitrichardson5573]

And you thought the only thing in a dirty chai latte was chai and water.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

I know the feeling ! I'm a McDonald .......unfortunately it's the wrong McDonalds...!!

[@ronald3836]

@@2msvalkyrie529 And I'm a Ronald 😂😂😂

[@capecodder04]

My last name is King, My first name is Burger but people call me Burg.

[@frederickking1660]

You never take an ex lover back.

[@bluedistortions]

Not one that cheated on you at least.

[@mrdocisleeping]

Thanks for all the wonderful videos todd, I love watching all your videos!

[@vanterry08]

$4700 per month plus maintenance!!!! This is exactly why murders happen and exactly why young men now are refusing marriage. This is outrageous!!! Having been through it I know. Mother collects money, does as many other men as she can. Collects her own money plus whatever she can suck in from other men. Then stands in the way of visitation with their father. I have no sympathy whatsoever!!

[@4NaturesStory]

I won’t marry mine. We co-habitat and have a baby girl, but I won’t marry her and the second the whole “taking me to court” comes up to take all my money, when I pay all the bills, is something I refuse to allow to happen to, me no matter what. I made up my mind years ago when I watched my mom do it to my father when he divorced her. She never earned a dime and just spent money. She continued to take him to court for years for money, instead of just getting a job. This is the modern woman, destroying society and marriage.

[@lenymitchell]

It never ceases to amaze me how Dr. Grande can describe these situations in a perfect way. His intelligence is on show in the one.

[@ydoicare2000]

wtf is wrong with her 3 little kids and acted like that ??

[@missJolie85]

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

[@crapple009]

It's called 'nymphomania'. 'Satyriasis' for men.

[@rebelp311]

​@@missJolie85Little miss innocent 😂

[@missJolie85]

@@rebelp311 aww, that’s so sweet asswipe

[@missJolie85]

@@rebelp311 Okidoki

[@dissidentfairy4264]

"Religious values"? What religion did she belong to? The Church of the Sexually Free? I agree with your assessment Dr. Grande. I believe Starbuck is the likely suspect, but with Chanin's sexual promiscuity it's not a clear cut case.

[@Farcehole]

The religious (generally) are the most hypocritical “laws for thee but not for me” bunch of faux self-righteous narcissists on the planet.

[@tuntitommosille]

Sounds like the church of modern day feminism - have all the fun you want without taking any responsibility for your own actions.

[@nunyabiznis9186]

Dibella worshipper

[@mairafavela4954]

​@@tuntitommosilleCorrect! I agree. That pretty much sums it up nicely.

[@missJolie85]

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

[@troywallace7011]

I don't think he did it. She cheated and even had another man's baby and he didn't even lay a finger on her. But suddenly them being separated and her sleeping with men was the breaking point? Nah doesn't add up at all. She got involved with a random dude she was sleeping with and he did it.

[@taylormfinney]

I love the term “energetic romantic life.” I’ll be using that from now on 😂

[@pamcornelius9122]

And “vigorous romantic activity.” 🤣

[@carriecree1789]

Revolving romantic interests 😂

[@JonathanMacleod-s8k]

I realy like this mans calm delivery no hype just facts. Great channel

[@shadestress9898]

Why in the hell was she getting $ 4700 month !!??

[@mrsmartypants_1]

Because of whats between her legs. Seriously thats the peak of family court intellectual abilities.

[@valkyriehutton4556]

I don't think the husband did it. She was engaged in very risky behavior.

[@zacharysherry2910]

A jealous husband is 100 times more likely to be dangerous than guys that probably want to see her again. I'm not saying that I believe without a doubt he's guilty but the probability is extremely high.

[@MrSeanman30]

​@zacharysherry2910 not true at all.

[@pameladee]

I appreciate your attention to detail, the number of cases you could analyze are mind-boggling! This one bothered me only because she had minor children. Thank you! 🌵

[@jman95510]

If the judge hadn’t awarded her 4700 a month she would probably still be alive.

[@clintvosloo7694]

Unfortunately she was playing a dangerous game . .he's in for murder when in fact she should've been paying him alimony for being a terrible ex wife. .judge should be sentenced

[@ambergriffes6122]

Only speculating that you will no doubt make this enjoyable Dr. Grande 😅

[@barbieblue3336]

It's not enjoyable

[@Kathy-us6zx]

How would the ex husband know she is having sex with a lot of men…. She told him ? I’m not sure how the mother thought having all these men in her life was safe for her children either … this is very tragic . Thank you for the story Dr. Grande ❤

[@StoopidSmith323]

She was gross and a terrible mother but imagine how empowered she must have felt getting used like a fleshlight by 10 guys a week. Boss girl stuff.

[@joeramirez7879]

Just being a mother doesn't automatically make them a good one,known rotten ones on both sides.

[@geekinasuit8333]

I looked into it, more than I should have, and it's not clear that the woman was having sex with many men, that's a claim made by Clay's defence. It looked to me, she was trying to find another partner, and to do that , she was dating several men to find the right one. Some of her dates said that they never had sex with her, it was just a date. The sex toys appear to have been planted by whoever tortured and murdered Chanin, they were used to humiliate the victem. Some time prior to the murder, a bag of dildos was left at Chanin's door, no proof who did it, but Chanin knew it was Clay (she should have invested in a secrity camera system). Apparently she feared Clay and told people close to her that she suspected he was breaking into her home and stealing things. Clay says that everyone who testified that he was feared by Chanin and stalking her are liars. There's two sides to a story, and Dr Grande left out a lot of damning details. Go to Clay's innoncence FB page, it's as if Chanin never even existed, it's 100% all about Clay. If my wife was brutally killed, even if I devorced and wrongfully convincted, my remaining years would be dedicated with finding the real killer. This man Clay, looks to me as a controlling manipulative narcisist, but that's just a theory ...

[@sternshadowdude2]

@@geekinasuit8333 Hard to find the real killer when you're wrongfully imprisoned. Your "evidence" that you posted is nothing but hearsay.

[@spicy1116]

I mean... All that male DNA the investigators found on her kind of confirms that

[@donaldshotts4429]

Next door neighbor to one of my high school friends was a lady like this. Her husband was out of town all the time and she literally had young guys waiting their turn in the living room

[@haleytruslow7200]

Dr. Grande’s verdict is more important than the jury’s verdict, in my opinion.

[@bige8496]

Definitely

[@daveatkins3568]

Saying she “cut loose a little “ is like saying P.Ditty is “kind of” suspect. 😎✌🏻

[@missJolie85]

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

[@louisewright8769]

The FBI raided P . Dittys house to cover up for the rich and famous and destroy evidence < main stream media dropped that story like a hot cake .

[@futurefunk88eddins96]

​@@missJolie85oh yeah she was smeared in something alright.

[@missJolie85]

@@futurefunk88eddins96 And what do you want me to do about that? Are you hurt, are you ok?

[@jackflash8218]

@@missJolie85 What is the name of the documentary?

[@micnorton9487]

This Clay guy is ROCKIN that Eddie Munster hairdo lol....

[@calebchristensen900]

This seems like something that was extremely circumstantial. No TOD mentioned, no legwork done into the partners of the past couple months. I wonder if they tested the son’s DNA compared to the DNA found?? It’s possible the sons could be just as upset with their mom’s promiscuous actions.

[@atlasveldine6314]

There's so many things wrong with this case. The ex certainly could have done it, but, it just as easily can be explained as another one of her 10 (known) partners realizing he wasn't the only one, or even just killing her for fun and staging it to point to the ex. I don't know enough of the details to judge - and neither did the court nor jury.

[@deecarter147]

I wondered about the son too. And here's another alternate theory of the crime - she wasn't 'posed', that was just the position she was in when one of her 10 boyfriends jabbed her with the stun gun for fun and she died laughing (or not). The whole case against the ex-husband is circumstantial as all get out.

[@cybermandan1960]

I know you said the Boeing whistleblower death was not suspicious... but another whistleblower just died. Might be worth an update video.

[@olliverklozov2789]

Shannon was also a 'whistle' blower.

[@sheilad.simonette6412]

​@@olliverklozov2789Really?! What was she blowing the whistle on?

[@KhukuriGod]

@@sheilad.simonette6412 A "whistle" that spits out sticky white liquid lol

[@sheilad.simonette6412]

@@KhukuriGod Oic lol. I guess it went over my "head". 😅

[@kimgysen10]

She was true musician. Playing different kinds of fluits.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

He had a right to be angry at Shanon but she didn’t deserve to die. The revenge was not worth throwing his life away and traumatizing his poor children. One of them actually took her own life. So tragic

[@pameladee]

Such a sad story….🌵

[@themonstersmummy]

So true 😢

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

Well generally but it varies. The guy's life probably wasn't going to great at that point anyway, so he figured "what the hell"

[@Cometcast12]

Why did he “have a right to be mad at her”? She doesn’t dictate how much money he pays, that stuff is decided by a judge based on his income level and amount of children under 18… He had no reason whatsoever to be mad her her, she did nothing to him except move onto sexual adventures ethically. Not even cheating on him, but doing it in divorce… how are you able to view this woman as a wrongful person at all, in the slightest?

[@Naranja-mb9rg]

@@Cometcast12 This is demonstrably false. I encourage everyone to read the court documents before rushing to the comment section with sensational misinformation...

[@autisticlybrē]

I really thought this was going to be about Starbucks coffee!!! 😂

[@Eanaj9]

lol me too

[@patriciovarela8794]

Me too 😂😂😂

[@ronald3836]

At some point I thought the DNA of all male employees of the local Starbucks had been found on her.

[@autisticlybrē]

😹🤣🤣

[@andhisband]

I thought "Battlestar Galactica". 🧐

[@itskarl7575]

This woman's lawyer, as well as the judge, really should have seen this coming. When you force someone to pay more than they can, you drive them to desperation.

[@michellenorman2600]

Omg. She was not a nice lady. I can’t imagine a mother of young girls screwing around with random guys. Very nasty behavior, but did not deserve to be murdered. I feel very sorry for those children.

[@missJolie85]

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

[@DeeLite220]

@@missJolie85 thank you. This video, and the men in these comments are just awful.

[@ahill4642]

The fact that the Dad killed her and posed her the way he did? He’s added to his own childrens’ misery and one’s suicide, surely.

[@protoman1214]

​@@missJolie85where did the DNA from multiple men come from then?

[@missJolie85]

@@protoman1214 Where did you hear multiple men? From the actual court doc, it was two, and one had familiar DNA with her children, so you can guess who that was. DNA testing of swabs taken from the victim's neck, face, and fingernails revealed that the male Starbuck lineage matched the Y-STR DNA found in those areas. One additional-and unidentified-male contributed Y-STR DNA to Ms. Starbuck's neck. I guess if you want to count her murderer as one, then she did have multiple DNA She dated to men a the time, one whom she did have a sexual relationship with John Kenlein, and Tom Walker, a man she had met three weeks earlier, whom she hadn't slept with (only went on dates) and he testified to that.

[@RullXov]

Her daughters [suicide] sounds sketchy to me. Loghan Starbuck’s whereabouts had not been known since Dec. 17 until someone noticed a body in the water Feb. 10 near the Sans Souci mobile home park in Spokane. The office said on its website that Starbuck, a 25-year-old of Cheney, died from “asphyxia due to drowning” and that it was a suicide.

[@atlasveldine6314]

Suicide by... Drowning in a lake? I call bullshit.

[@RullXov]

@@atlasveldine6314 IKR.

[@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName]

Wow

[@itskarl7575]

@@atlasveldine6314 It's not the most common form of suicide, but people do drown themselves.

[@bluedistortions]

If cops don't want to investigate, they call it suicide so they won't have an open case on their records. Suicide! Case closed! Nothing to see here, folks! I remember a CDC official was found in a river two miles from his home. There was zero evidence he had committed suicide, but immediately that's what it was ruled. Then there was a banking executive shot in the back, shoulder, and head with a nail gun 8 times that was ruled suicide. Some of these might be mob hits that the police are paid not to look into, they're so suspicious.

[@brandon8900]

Im always curious about what the police find during the course of the investigation

[@lochnessmunster1189]

Here's what they found

[@MimiRAM0NE]

Assuming they look at all

[@sternshadowdude2]

whatever they want to find...

[@Kolamite78]

I've followed this case for years and have always been torn about his guilt

[@missJolie85]

I haven't heard about this case before now, and because of this analyses by Dr Grande I just watched a lengthy documentary about this case found here on YT. The dude was horrible, and there was a lot of evidence that pointed at him.

[@Kolamite78]

@@missJolie85 a lot pointed away too

[@tayba1316]

@@missJolie85 this case was on dateline too a few years back

[@missJolie85]

@@Kolamite78 Well I don’t really consider it that way

[@WillPhil290]

I watch your show everyday. I think that your ability to assess situations and cases like this is remarkably profound. What terrifies me is that the vast majority of people cannot think as critically as you do about these things. I have a friend right now that's going to trial and I'm not confident the jurors aren't absolute mouth breathers who are byproducts of a totally gutted education system and have limited higher order thinking skills... I don't know how you got so good at this but I wish more people had your level of insight...

[@zacharysherry2910]

Absolutely. Dr. Grande obviously has a high IQ. Imagine how different the world would look if everyone was at least 10% smarter.

[@whatever5575]

i'm not sure that jury system is that great because it's so easy to be swayed by the dominant personalities in the group and the peer pressure to just go along with whatever everybody is thinking. what should happen in a case like this is for every juror to write an essay stating how they come to the conclusion so that we can examine if their thinking process is even logical.

[@mikegraham346]

........consistent, with it's primary purpose! You crack me up. This is brilliant.

[@asentientgoose]

Dr Grande, we love your videos, but I’d also like to get to know YOU more ✨ would you ever do a Q&A or an assumptions about me video? Love your work!

[@sydneyfairbairn3773]

The DNA under the nails sealed it for me.

[@MimiRAM0NE]

He only talked about DNA on the neck and phone in particular, nothing about nails.

[@TES-qf7du]

​@MimiRAM0NE , he said and under her finger nails, listen to this part of of the video "9:58 to 10:01"

[@Neilsowards]

what sealed it for me was the use of a nickname of one of the children on the text message.

[@FireMeUpGuy]

@@Neilsowards hate to necro your post, but is it not possible that the killer could have read previsous texts and learned the nickname?

[@edwardsanchez3708]

It's crazy how they withhold certain information from the juries. I went to jail in the mid 90s for a weapon charge. The person dropped the charges, but the state picked it up. Out of nowhere, they brought up my juvenile record of getting caught skipping school and getting caught out after curfew. They made me sound worse than Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy, combined lol

[@projectplus4036]

Thanks for all the great entertainment Dr. Grande!

[@robertrinehuls9099]

I didn't know dead people could be embarrassed.

[@mement0_m0ri]

Their ghosts are, and they come back to haunt you for embarrassing them.

[@ronald3836]

"I wouldn't be caught dead doing ..."

[@chrischamberlain7628]

Don’t forget she has children and friends. Why make up stuff like this about her. No one knows if she was having sex with men she dated. That’s insane. I’ve dated a lot of men and it never went far enough for that to happen. A ex of mine even told my father I was running around with a bunch of men having sex with them. (I couldn’t believe it when my Dad told me this) Men can get so jealous they will resort to murdering a woman or defaming her. Happens all the time & people believe it.

[@Sid-gu5qk]

​@@chrischamberlain7628yeah, she had a huge chest of sex toys for that. 😂😂😂

[@lindas5964]

Dr. Grande pumpin out videos faster than I can watch them. 😳

[@imcharming4808]

Faster than Shannon’s many partners!

[@glendasully]

Of course he murdered her, but the motive wasn't jealousy. It was all that darn high maintenance!

[@missJolie85]

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. He, the ex, wanted them to get back together, but having married and divorced twice she did not want to. The ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

[@xakk9]

we speculating first babyyyyy

[@brianpratt3224]

I am getting flashbacks to watching Battlestar Gallactica as a kid.

[@Gizziiusa]

was confused at first b/c I was thinking of the older version. then I got it....not that version. yeah, they both sure were stars for their bucks. haha

[@sca8217]

Bears, beets, Battlestar galactic a

[@robertjones2811]

To be honest this is why I haven’t married yet.

[@Straightjacket154]

Or…. Women don’t want you.

[@robertjones2811]

@@Straightjacket154 Wow, that was an incredibly rude and unprovoked reaction to my comment. What’s wrong in your life that you feel that to belittle others in such a way? I would imagine you have low self-esteem or some other underlying issues.

[@EducatedNow]

Who can you really trust? Look at all the liars in leadership and important positions (president, vice president, senators, representatives, lawfare judges & prosecutors, heads of Homeland Security, FBI, propaganda lying crooked media (ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc, etc) in our country that can get away with murder (Afghanistan withdrawal, illegal immigrant passes, etc, deceit, treason, etc., etc. Could spend weeks writing about all their wrongs.

[@edwardwong654]

How tragic also that one of his daughters had died.

[@faebrowne2537]

Gives the term ‘Going for a Starbucks’ a whole new meaning 😮

[@johnbauman4005]

Once again: Restraining order = death warrant.

[@palletwizard]

Thank you king for going off

[@knockywigglesworth1909]

You sir, are making a lot of assumptions on this one. You may be correct but also wrong! The PD & court system should be ashamed & women should think twice with risky behavior! Sadly we'll likely never know the real true story!

[@joeyh9116]

$4700 a month is insane.

[@bold810]

Dr. Grande- I always wince a little before I click on a new post from you. Like "*Buyer Beware*". 😬

[@trppytoes7506]

She's not yours, it's just your turn buddy

[@shooter853]

Remarrying her was his first mistake.

[@deannadove3505]

I can't imagine how her children felt and feel, having to hear of their mother's "behavior". How awful and scarring that must be. Also, the father had so many other ways to deal with this situation. He could have petitioned the court for a freeze on the child support if he was legit ill/injured/out of work. That would have kept the amount from climbing to an insane amount. He also could have gotten an attorney to challenge the massive amount. Thirdly, he could have easily had the mother declared unfit and he would most likely would have been awarded sole custody, if ha had wanted the kids. This is so tragic.

[@RULucky-yc9gr]

Oh yeah...family court is all about helping out the father, especially in matters of child support and custody.

[@5400bowen]

He had so many ways to deal with it…after seeing how they fleeced him the first time. It was $2,500 to get a lawyer to file that paper work 20 years ago. He was broke and disabled, taking care of 2/5 of the kids…people just don’t pay attention to the world around them. I went through that…they do not freeze child support. It becomes arrears, for men anyway. The courts assume you are faking and just pile on the penalties even more if you try that. They did to me several times. The state of California and a licensed MD put it in writing I was disabled. The judge just said too bad. I’ve seen it over and over and over….even when she got into meth and dumped my son on my porch, I had to pay support for three more months. The judge lied and said there was nothing that could be done. They leaned over backwards for her over and over and even with sworn statements from female coworkers and friends they let her do 2 no shows in court, and still “took the matter under consideration”. When I missed one court date out of about 20, I was 15 minutes late, they instituted her requests and sanctioned me. They wouldn’t order her to pay support for 2 more years, and when she wouldn’t pay for another 3 years they never suspended her drivers license. They suspended mine 5 times when I was ACTUALLY PAYING AS ORDERED, twice out of disability (it was garnished by the court). There response when I took the day off work the other three times? “Whoops! Sorry Mr Bowen. Your license will be released after paying this $30 release fee and another $15 to the DMV for reinstatement”. Don’t tell me about options.

[@5400bowen]

My ex wife was on meth, there was proof, and she was never deemed unfit. I wonder if some of this ones male visitors were cops…or judges….easily?!? $2,500 and up for a lawyer to go into court. They basically never find a mother unfit. I’ve seen cases where the mom was on heroin, and that didn’t get her declared unfit. Sometimes even with multiple events involving the police finding the kids alone and unsupervised. They will do ANYTHING to protect a woman, almost no matter what she does.

[@CryptoBoss-du7jc]

She must have exceptional time management and manipulation tactics.

[@missJolie85]

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

[@davehewson]

@@missJolie85 can you provide the link to the doc?? my take away from this is it was the bills he had to pay while she was out on the town collecting dna. Money makes people do crazy things.

[@WhyteLis21]

Moral of the case, human jealousy is a powerful weapon and motivation for good or bad intentions. Especially, in relationships and marriages. Some people can handle it betters than others while others can't. This something I have to keep telling myself, though.

[@Pug71]

For some reason I don’t at all sorry for this woman. And how does a guy who can’t work bc of a bad back have to pay $4500 per month. Feel bad for the kids that there Mom was such a sl@t. Clay got screwed in more ways than one.

[@Linda98671]

I agree with you… imagine the rage he felt being screwed over by her… poor kids sure didn’t deserve this!

[@zstanic127]

Dont get married

[@stuiley424]

@@Linda98671school teacher seems to have more motive especially if she tried to blackmail him for money.😉

[@stuiley424]

@@zstanic127 maybe more don’t remarry a total 304.👍