ROMEX Cable Supports Requirements (2024)

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Backyard Maine

Backyard Maine

28 күн бұрын

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@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Need a cool work station like mine? Try FlexiSpot! 🌟 Use my code “24BDYTB50” for extra $50 off on the E7 Plus Desk! Trust me, it's a rare treat! FlexiSpot E7 Plus Standing Desk: bit.ly/4aM11Dg (US) FlexiSpot E7 Plus Standing Desk: bit.ly/4c6iasg (CAN)
@stphnalln
@stphnalln 20 күн бұрын
I wish everyone on KZbin could explain things as clearly and succinctly as this man.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 19 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@loganmartin1682
@loganmartin1682 5 күн бұрын
Seriously I don’t even have electrician skill I’d hire anyone for anything hard but I still love this guy’s videos. Keep on explaining!
@erickrosito3659
@erickrosito3659 3 күн бұрын
I am glad he didn’t use the word succinctly in his explanation
@DoubleDoubleWithOnions
@DoubleDoubleWithOnions Күн бұрын
My head is spinning. But I think I got it. I'll watch it again tomorrow.
@MyClutteredGarage
@MyClutteredGarage 26 күн бұрын
John, your channel is like an online electrician course. Can’t tell you how much I appreciate it!
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks Ed! Very much appreciated my friend.
@BryanTorok
@BryanTorok 2 күн бұрын
Thank for removing the confusion. Again, a video very cleanly done without any extra fumbling around and no repetition and respectful of my time. Thank you.
@davefoc
@davefoc 25 күн бұрын
This was a very useful video that covered a lot of areas where I had only a rough idea of what the rules were. Thank you.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
My pleasure.. Thanks for watching.
@joedelucia6719
@joedelucia6719 3 күн бұрын
Dude! You explain this stuff so well.
@jackpestaner6925
@jackpestaner6925 26 күн бұрын
Excellent review, I may still fail my first rough-in inspection, but at least not because of cable stapling. Almost finished with a complete rewire to current code of my 2500 sq ft 100 year house that had functioning knob and tube. Really appreciate your videos, thank you.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! I love being able to share my experience now that I'm retired. Thanks for watching.
@Bob.W.
@Bob.W. 2 күн бұрын
Subscribed. Clear presentation. Thx. I worked as an apprentice electrician for Lymburner Electric, Bar Harbor, Maine in 1972. Enjoyed working on those fancy estates.
@vince6829
@vince6829 Күн бұрын
Very helpful video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@crschoen123
@crschoen123 15 күн бұрын
So clear! Very helpful!
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 15 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
@IncendiaDivinus
@IncendiaDivinus Күн бұрын
!! Some people were meant to teach . You sir , are one of them . Stay safe !! Thank you for the information.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine Күн бұрын
Thank you!
@StealthMode139
@StealthMode139 3 күн бұрын
Ty always like to keep up with the new codes and technology. ET's never stop learning.
@SaltMinerOU812
@SaltMinerOU812 2 күн бұрын
Cool I roughed in my new basement room and the only mistake I made is using blue staples for double wire. so I'll change them up to the longer red ones and everything's good. Also good to know about being able to put two Romex in one of the openings of the box I think it'll be a neater look
@northidahodreaming5657
@northidahodreaming5657 Күн бұрын
good information....Thanks for this video
@thardyryll
@thardyryll 3 күн бұрын
Wow. Next time I have $700 and nothing to spend it on I will think about that desk. Briefly.
@wookieecantina
@wookieecantina Күн бұрын
Wonderful video, thank you for creating and sharing.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine Күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
@weloveups831
@weloveups831 26 күн бұрын
This channel is awesome. Info is given in a straight forward way, without a lot of wasted words.😊
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Thank you so much.. I have another video going live tomorrow about a very little know method of wiring 3-way switched.
@nooneyouknowhere6148
@nooneyouknowhere6148 20 күн бұрын
I started in 1981. I do not remember anyone even thinking about "service loops" until i started watching these youtube videos. Is that really a thing in some parts of the country? I have never experienced a situation where i wished i had a service loop. The idea has always been, keep the wire neat and out of the way of insulation etc.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 19 күн бұрын
It isn’t a thing around here. ME, NH, VT, MA. But I hear that it is in the south. I have never left a service loop unless I knew something may need to be moved.
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 4 күн бұрын
it's probably a reaction to having to do work on old boxes that were installed 40 yrs ago that have only 3 inches of wire so it's really hard to work in them. so people think well for the future electrician working in this box i will leave extra service loop. only reason i can think is if the outlet burns up and wires need to be cut back it would be good if there was an extra 6 inches in the wall.
@paaao
@paaao 3 күн бұрын
Service loops are for handymen, DIYers, and slack jawed yokels. The NEC states this pretty clearly. You just have to read 16 different sections of the code and cross reference them like a crossword puzzle.
@1djbecker
@1djbecker 2 күн бұрын
Much of the reasoning behind leaving a service loop has been obsoleted by Wago and Ideal connectors. You can snap three Wago Lever-Nuts on a cable with only 1" of wire extending. The 'splice' style takes only about 3/4", but I don't think any are UL approved at this time.
@SaltMinerOU812
@SaltMinerOU812 2 күн бұрын
​@@BackyardMaineprobably the best places for those would be like ceiling lights I would think especially of the suspended ceiling variety
@Yummyfudge
@Yummyfudge 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the content, especially for digging into the code and clearly explaining it. I actually paused the video and pulled out my codebook to see if I could figure out the code violation on my own before you explained it in detail. No, I didn't figure it out on my own, but I did run down "messenger-supported wiring". Learned something new! Also... the 2023 code does make some very minor changes to 314.17, but most jurisdictions are still yet to adopt it so :shrug:
@snort455
@snort455 2 күн бұрын
Great stuff. Gracias. Keep in mind, none of this matters unless you like to do the job right.
@nukiepoo
@nukiepoo 21 сағат бұрын
Yes you can have service loops at 1-gang NM boxes w/o clamps: you can leave a loop with a staple right next to the box opening. If you ever need that service loop slack, just remove the box and that staple is right there for easy removal. Oftentimes, we have need to convert a single gang switch box into 2, 3 or even 4 gang -such as for Lutron RadioRa devices. We prefer Allied's fiberglass box because they're easy to break out with a long nose pliers and the device holes are factory threaded unlike many PVC boxes. Started in the trade in 1975 been in business for over 25yrs. You and I are brothers in the trade
@patmcbride9853
@patmcbride9853 Күн бұрын
Thank you! I am going to run some 4/3 romex and didn't know if the rubber lined cable clamps that are attached with screws would be acceptable and don't want to be using large staples.
@stephanpetranker8994
@stephanpetranker8994 24 күн бұрын
Excellent review. Ty
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 24 күн бұрын
My pleasure.. Thanks for watching.
@Icehso140
@Icehso140 18 күн бұрын
Funny thing...a service loop using a metal cable clamp to a metal box makes no sense. You can't get to the screws to loosen the clamp if you need to pull more. This is why we have so many changes to the NEC and why I have to spend 15 hours every 3 years in code updates. But hey...the pizza is free at our union hall. LOL
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 17 күн бұрын
Yup the dreaded code update. I took mine back Feb of 2023. I'm so early I sometimes have a hard time getting the new book. I was IBEW for about 10 years before I moved into electrical engineering. I still keep up my license though. I use an online update through Jade electrical education. I love it. I just plug away at it for a few days and it's done.
@BetterHouseProject
@BetterHouseProject 4 күн бұрын
But it does make sense for the plastic boxes with moulded-in clamps, and that's probably most of the residential installs these days.
@thomaskingsbury6560
@thomaskingsbury6560 2 күн бұрын
Apparently the code varies across the country or the ordinances can have requirements above the minimum requirements in the code, for instance in Houston we cannot stack Romex on top of each other we have to use stacking blocks or brace between the studs and secure individually.
@JM-iz3fr
@JM-iz3fr 14 күн бұрын
Awsome video John, great to have the summary, a true teacher! You mentioned the plastic boxes and the code compliance, what about metal boxes, does what you just went over vary??
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 14 күн бұрын
Thank you my friend. Metal boxes will have a built in cable clamp or knock outs where you would install a ROMEX connector. All metal boxes require a clamp. The requirement of within 8 inches is for single gang non metallic boxes without a clamp.
@r7j7t7
@r7j7t7 2 күн бұрын
Another remarkable clear and concise explanation. Thanks John. One question regarding staples...actually two. Sometimes NM cable is run along the webbing of engineered joists. The webbing is not very thick so the end of the staple might protrude from the other side and if one tried to use a red staple for two wires it would definitely protrude...which would defeat the purpose of using a longer staple (so I have never done it). Are there rules for that? Also what are the rules for avoiding "bundling" violations for NM cable?
@shaneharrison9609
@shaneharrison9609 11 күн бұрын
How have we not figured out the right way to put this stuff in by now.
@markniblack7160
@markniblack7160 9 күн бұрын
Great explanation
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 4 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@aubreyroche5080
@aubreyroche5080 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, long time Electrician here too... Ha.. Some of the best times were doing custom Homes... Now I'm all Industrial... My Trade has been good to me.
@markusallport1276
@markusallport1276 3 күн бұрын
My ex-boss was a cheap fu... he would get the cheapest supplies imaginable. We always followed code regardless of the crap we had to work with, and only 3 times did we fail inspection. There were 16 guys on our team, but one guy always decided to do stuff his way and got us ding'ed all three times. We hardly ever secured cables (romex), within 8 inches of the box, it was more closer to 6" and we never had an issue with that. Clamp in the box or not, 6" was our max for a staple.
@ROSS4422
@ROSS4422 10 сағат бұрын
Thank you.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 9 сағат бұрын
My pleasure.
@502deth
@502deth Күн бұрын
question on wire support. lets say we have a situation near a main panel, where you have a space between studs that has SEVERAL wires running back to the box. there is not enough surface area to staple every cable to the joist. i will staple the 3 or 4 that i have room for, then i will zip tie subsequent wires to the secured wires. i have had people say this is against code, but i have never had an inspector say one word about it. what is the official nec code book ruling on this practice?
@aaronblackford981
@aaronblackford981 13 күн бұрын
Ty for your service and awesome video. I can read but that stuff is hard to get through. Guessing yearly classes to highlight the changes to code?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 11 күн бұрын
Yes for sure. And thank you. The code updates every 3 years and to maintain our license we need to take a 15 hour code update course on the new code. The last update was in 2023 so I'm good to go until February of 2026.
@aaronblackford981
@aaronblackford981 10 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine that’s 2-3 boring ass class every three years
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 10 күн бұрын
@@aaronblackford981 I've been using Jade continuing education and I really love it. Its all online and I'll just work on it a few hours a day and I can usually get through it in 8-10 hour. I like it way better than attending the classes. Here's a link if you want to check it out next time you need an update. www.jadelearning.com
@fritzmiller9792
@fritzmiller9792 25 күн бұрын
Great video John. Best one I have seen yet of the dozen or so I have watched. I am probably a little giddy that you proved service loops are not legal (except of course when clamped and not over the 18" length maximum). I think service loops defeat the purpose of securing cables as the cable can accidentally be rolled out of the wall before or during the final enclosure of the wall. It's also very wasteful with only a incredibly slim chance of ever being used to 'save' time ( but that's another entire discussion). Bottom line, the service loops I have seen installed are almost ALL noncompliant. 👍
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Thank you my friend.. I don't like them either. The big round loops you will see similar to the one I made in the video are always a code violation. The code change adding the 18" maximum cable came in the 2020 update. I think or it could have been the 2017. I'm sure it was made to limit service loops. I have another video going live this evening on a not so common method of wiring three way switches. Thanks for dropping by..
@ed6837
@ed6837 26 күн бұрын
That seems the way it has been for years although I don't remember a service loop being mentioned. It would seem that a service loop could not be used with a 1 gang plastic without a clamp although not mentioned
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
The 18" max cable length was added to the code in either 2017 or 2020. I can't remember for sure but it was one on those cycles. I actually said "and since it’s measured in cable length leaving a service loop is not going to be possible" when referring to the 8" support. I think??
@fleetwin1
@fleetwin1 26 күн бұрын
Alot to know for sure....
@mjktrash
@mjktrash 2 күн бұрын
So for horizontal runs THROUGH holes, no extra support is needed. However, what about horizontal runs on TOP of things like ceiling joists? Even more complicated by runs at high angles to the joists?
@Concerned_Citizen111
@Concerned_Citizen111 2 күн бұрын
I don’t like nail-on boxes. They’re ok for smoke-detectors and maybe switches, but definitely not for receptacles. They can become loose over years of constant use.
@mrcryptozoic817
@mrcryptozoic817 25 күн бұрын
Apparently, in my house the rule was "If you have staples left in the box, you haven't used enough". But there are only the bare minimum number of receptacles. I know because I was trying to add some.
@aspensulphate
@aspensulphate Күн бұрын
"Trying"? Hmm...
@mistersniffer6838
@mistersniffer6838 Күн бұрын
Jeeeziz cryst, FINALLY!! Thanks!
@robmenzies862
@robmenzies862 11 сағат бұрын
in Ontario you are not allowed to put more than one cable under a support clamp. Also, service loops are manditory.
@donmclean1220
@donmclean1220 26 күн бұрын
Very clear explanation, I think I could remember it.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Excellent. Thanks for watching and being the first commenter..
@throughmylens5127
@throughmylens5127 Күн бұрын
Was doing a remodel and outlets were in the walls without boxes.
@tedbush1870
@tedbush1870 2 күн бұрын
It looks like the romex is running through the middle 1/3 of the stud ? I work in the manufacture housing industry for many years, we could not drill in the center of the stud without a prosleve, but stick built could. I do like your videos.
@Gruntled2001
@Gruntled2001 2 күн бұрын
Liked and subscribed 👍🏼🤝
@espencer83
@espencer83 26 күн бұрын
Always great tips
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Thank you..
@johnhenryholiday4964
@johnhenryholiday4964 3 күн бұрын
I can fully appreciate the uprated nature of electrical service... The third leading cause of fires are caused by electrical malfunctions and the better We wire homes and businesses the lower fire loss caused by electrical malfunction...
@chadkeller2144
@chadkeller2144 26 күн бұрын
Great info!
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
@jackl9922
@jackl9922 26 күн бұрын
I enjoy your videos. I’m not licensed, trained from people who are and DIY. Passed main panel replacement. However, I’ve made a few mistakes learn later on code compliance, but not concerned enough to go back since think safe. Since I am not licensed, I will not do for others. Fear liability.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Thank you..
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 26 күн бұрын
Good stuff and very clear. Thank you
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Awesome.. Thanks so much. I have another new video coming out tomorrow around the same time.
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 26 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine I just subbed based upon the help you gave me with my horrible plastic gasoline cans. 🙂
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
@@troy3456789 Awesome, welcome to the channel.
@throughmylens5127
@throughmylens5127 Күн бұрын
So an inspector can pass or fail any job depending what part of the book they read
@outofcontrol4499
@outofcontrol4499 25 күн бұрын
Are there code issues related to the type of staple? I'm thinking of those staples with two nails vs the u-shaped continuous steel ones? I confess that as a DIY guy the "2 nail" versions are easier in cramped quarters.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Any staple will work as long as they are listed for NM cable support. The 2-Nail staples are fine.
@user-gs6lp9ko1c
@user-gs6lp9ko1c 26 күн бұрын
Always great information John! After watching these, I'm always wondering how many inadvertant code violations I've committed in the past in my home improvement projects.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Thank you. Much appreciated. The code can be tricky if you're not used to using it daily. I try to state the requirements but then talk about them in practical terms. I'm not the best but I try real hard.
@johnypitman2368
@johnypitman2368 23 күн бұрын
most importantly is your work safe and you understand wire size and breaker size relationships. There are other important rules but clamping or stapling distance to boxes isn't too important as long as you do it. If your work is being inspected then you might be more careful. In my many years as a general contractor my inspector only looked at my panel boxes and on final tested every receptacle. They don't have time to inspect every staple.
@paulholmes672
@paulholmes672 2 күн бұрын
Fly High!!
@joewoodchuck3824
@joewoodchuck3824 18 күн бұрын
I had no idea there were dimensional requirements for staple locations.
@donaldshimkus539
@donaldshimkus539 25 күн бұрын
In the last scenario, what if you made your service loop and brought it back through the staple which is 6" from the box? If you don't drive the staple in too hard, the service loop can still be pulled down into the box if needed.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Many people even electrician will drive the staples in tool tight.. The staples are just there to hold the wire in place so it won't get damaged. I usually leave a bit of slack in runs by squaring off all the corners and leaving the staple where they are making contact but not tight. Then like you're saying you could pull a bit of slack through the staple. Thanks for adding to the conversation. The video I made before this one was on extending short wires.
@aliso-pv7ll
@aliso-pv7ll 25 күн бұрын
Are the desk jockeys that write these codes former Soviet era bureaucrates?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
🤣
@georgezofchak6684
@georgezofchak6684 3 күн бұрын
Just goofs with too much time on their hands and wanting the consumer to spend as much as possible…….to this date I have not seen or captured a gremlin that wants to mess a move my lines…unscrew connectors….or wiggle line loose………
@michealgoudarzi6893
@michealgoudarzi6893 26 күн бұрын
Amazing hints
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
Thank you so much..
@rebelwithcause4908
@rebelwithcause4908 25 күн бұрын
@BackyardMaine Shouldn't it then be code compliant to put a cable staple 4" from the junction box AND have 8" of cable slack between the junction box and that closest cable staple?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
That would be 4" of slack and then 4" to the box. You could do that possibly but you would have to be careful about the bending radius of the cable which has code limitations as well. In my view with single gang, non-metallic boxes, the best way to leave slack, if you really thought it was necessary, would be to leave it above the staple and just make sure the staple is not tight against the cable.
@timgurr1876
@timgurr1876 2 күн бұрын
These codes are always confusing, especially when there are additional requirements in another section of the code. Why is this additional requirement only for single gang boxes? Thanks.
@joshbaker855
@joshbaker855 5 күн бұрын
Heres how it really works. Code is 12 inches. Depends on the inspector. Loops are really dumb but one inspector here expects a loop. So we do it yo code and have a loop.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 4 күн бұрын
Code is not 12 inches for boxes without a cable clamp.
@jfbeam
@jfbeam 17 күн бұрын
You could still have a service loop, it'll be short and stapled right next to the box.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 16 күн бұрын
You could but a small one and you also have to be careful of the bending radius restrictions.
@vboutique2188
@vboutique2188 9 күн бұрын
What type of cable ties can be used to tie together multiple romex wires for example in the electrical panel to make a clean install? Any particular brand? Or just the cheap dollar tree ones?
@RG-uz6wx
@RG-uz6wx 2 күн бұрын
I would just neatly train and bend them without any of the plastic ties. They won't won't flutter around. And it leaves air space for ventilation and makes it a lot easier to trace if needed.
@carlj3515
@carlj3515 25 күн бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@LumenCache
@LumenCache 2 күн бұрын
This is by far the most concise explanation of the codes. You should be writing them!
@davids2530
@davids2530 23 күн бұрын
I’m adding a single gang box behind my TV. Going to fish NM 12/2 down the wall and into an old work box. If i use clamps on both old work boxes I understand I don’t need staples because of the fishing exception. If I use knockouts instead of clamps in this scenario do i have to use staples?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 23 күн бұрын
Yes, you are correct..
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 23 күн бұрын
Old work boxes with the wings like I showed in the video have the cable clamps. But if you were fishing a wire down to an existing nail on box without clamps, you could do that without support base on the information provided in the section on un-supported cables.
@davids2530
@davids2530 23 күн бұрын
Thank you for your very quick reply and professional expertise!
@salvor1
@salvor1 3 күн бұрын
not leaving service loops is just not a good idea. ie: 'tear the walls apart to add 2 inches of wire'
@russrockino-rr0864
@russrockino-rr0864 2 күн бұрын
I just staple at 8" or less. Then you don't have to worry about what kind of box you have! Thanks, Russ,29 years in the Electrical Trade.
@-_-John-_-
@-_-John-_- 2 күн бұрын
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 2 күн бұрын
I never use plastic boxes cheapo junk use a metal box cut good size hole in the drywall come back fix the drywall. When I got 3 quotes to change out my aluminum wire with copper all 3 wanted to use plastic boxes when I mentioned metal box they didn't want to use them. The reason I like metal boxes is one time a contractor installed a water heater he used wire nuts to bond copper and aluminum. The connection wasn't good and heated up the wire burned back into my wall the only thing that saved me was a metal clamp on a metal box where the wires were pushed tight enough to trip the 50 amps breaker. The aluminum wire burned like a fuse. If I had a plastic box it would have burned up into the attic caught fire I'm in Arizona our attics are dry and hot easily catch fire.
@paulnovak6977
@paulnovak6977 22 күн бұрын
If the Romex comes out of a drilled hole within 12” of the box with cable clamps do u still have to add a cable support?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 22 күн бұрын
Yes it does and within 8" if the box has no clamp. The code article reads. In other than vertical runs, cables installed in accordance with 300.4 shall be considered to be supported and secured where such support does not exceed 1.4-m (41/2-ft) intervals and the nonmetallic-sheathed cable is securely fastened in place by an approved means within 300 mm (12 in.) of each box, cabinet, conduit body, or other nonmetallic-sheathed cable termination.
@rupe53
@rupe53 21 күн бұрын
Just remember that code / passing inspection is like graduating from school with a D average. It is the minimum, and you can probably do better. The hard part is making those adjustments without violating another section of the book.
@kerrytaylor4366
@kerrytaylor4366 15 күн бұрын
So if you have an issue later you will have to rip the wall apart to fix it .
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 15 күн бұрын
If everything is installed correctly and wired correctly, you will never have an issue later. I wire my home 26 years ago and I have had zero electrical problems.
@kerrytaylor4366
@kerrytaylor4366 15 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine yes but there is millions of houses bought and sold ECT there are additions and such, there could be a fire or over load so please don't be so close minded or self centered because u still live in the same place you wired,as this isn't about you it's about everyone and please I'm not picking a fight.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 15 күн бұрын
@@kerrytaylor4366 I'm not close minded. I just follow the code. Not supporting cable because you might have an issue someday is a bad plan. The supports are specifically designed to prevent the cable from being damaged.
@motoboymatt
@motoboymatt 4 күн бұрын
What's the logic on not securing the cable at a ceiling light?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 4 күн бұрын
It's often not feasible when using can fixtures or strip lighting. As long as the fixture has a clamp and you secure to the nearest joist and within 4 feet it's acceptable and is at minimal rick of damage.
@blamuk
@blamuk 25 күн бұрын
So does that mean a 2 or 3 gang box without cable clamp is a code violation? Regardless of a staple within 8"?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Only single gang, non-metallic boxes are made with no cable clamps unless they're supplied with KOs for using ROMEX connectors.
@blamuk
@blamuk 25 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine i thought the cable clamps in my PVC 2 gang boxes were knock outs just like the single gang, so I snapped them off just like I did with the single gang. Do I have to replace all these boxes? What's the best solution? Maybe rewire them and use the other holes/clamps (that has not been snapped) in the box and just ignore the knocked out hole?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 23 күн бұрын
@@blamuk If the walls are open just staple within 8" of the box. If the was are closed forget about it..
@allthingsconsidered3211
@allthingsconsidered3211 26 күн бұрын
Is it a no no to use nm cable with metal boxes ? Conduit required im guessing
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
NM cable can be used with metal boxes. They make them with cable clamps for NM and another style for MC or BX. Or you can use boxes with knockouts and add connectors.
@allthingsconsidered3211
@allthingsconsidered3211 26 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine thanks for the quick reply and clarification
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
@@allthingsconsidered3211 My pleasure.
@diytwoincollege7079
@diytwoincollege7079 20 күн бұрын
The standing desk is a code violation. The vertical corner radius on each corner is .0005 under the minimum spec.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 19 күн бұрын
Ok.
@markproulx1472
@markproulx1472 8 күн бұрын
Thank goodness that we have eagle-eyed viewers like you to keep us safe!🤣
@jde1780
@jde1780 4 күн бұрын
That measurement is only valid if you had a good set of calibrated eyeballs. Otherwise, 0.0" to 0.25"r is acceptable. The only requirement there is that the edge doesn't give cuts similar to paper cuts.😎
@dannyl2598
@dannyl2598 3 күн бұрын
As such, cushion corner protectors are required when the table height is adjusted to within 8 inches of the noggin of a kind that occupies the space within a 24 foot radios of the center of said adjustable table.
@joemontano71
@joemontano71 2 күн бұрын
2:09 2:26 - 3:13 10:54
@PSNDonutDude
@PSNDonutDude 20 күн бұрын
One thing I always notice about American videos and articles with technical information is that they don't mention the country. If its outside the US they almost alway mention the country. Mention the country and state in the start!
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 19 күн бұрын
Good point. Hadn’t thought about that. 90% of my viewers are from the USA and 8% from Canada which has very similar requirements. The other 2% from the rest of the world.
@vicktorpatriot1430
@vicktorpatriot1430 25 күн бұрын
I still don't get why a so called "service loop" is loved by so many. Between the insulation install and drywall hangers generally not giving a rat's ass I think they are trouble in waiting
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
I don't leave service loops very often. If I'm in a bathroom and I think the vanity may have to move a bit or some other similar situation I may leave one but other than that I don't. In fact I really see anyone doing that at least around here.
@aeneanitesong4161
@aeneanitesong4161 22 күн бұрын
It's left because drywallers suck and will shredded the wire in the box when cutting them out leaving you with 2 in of usable wire. So you leave the loop to pull more when that happens
@DrJWR1
@DrJWR1 21 күн бұрын
What is the actual PURPOSE of the staple just outside the box? Nobody is going to be pulling that cable in either direction.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 19 күн бұрын
A few reasons for supporting NM cable. One is the cable sheath needs to extend at least a quarter inch into the box. Otherwise we have unprotected wires outside the box. The support helps the cable stay in place. Next supports actually help protect the cable by keeping where it won’t be damaged by screws or nails, pinched between the finished wall and structure, or come in contact with anything else that could damage the cable during construction or years later
@71organicmusic9
@71organicmusic9 24 күн бұрын
A staple holds the wire in place ....so a nail or screw can peirce into it......the older romex Had a thicker insulation on it....hmmmm....NEC....approved. for a thinner insulation ??????...what to save money???how's that safer....
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 24 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure the idea of securing the cable in place is to prevent damage. There are rules around how close the cable can be secured to the edge of the wood member or through holes or notches without additional protection. Maybe take a look at article 334.
@barfy4751
@barfy4751 3 күн бұрын
Never go in the center of a pancake box
@ClayAdams-zj8yf
@ClayAdams-zj8yf 26 күн бұрын
Ive been an electrician since 87. The only time I staple is if the inspector requires it which now days they usually do. Once I'm out of the jurisdiction of the inspector I don't staple unless the house is foamed or I feel the need. I don't know how many times on a new home I've had owners want me to add another switch etc in a box while we are trimming. If the wire isn't stapled I've used it for a pull to add another romex. If it is it makes the job a whole lot harder or impossible if there are fire blocks in the wall. The code book can be a pain.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
I understand..
@stephanpetranker8994
@stephanpetranker8994 24 күн бұрын
I understand that code compliance can get in the way of efficiency. I humbly suggest compliance and charge accordingly with a change order.
@nooneyouknowhere6148
@nooneyouknowhere6148 20 күн бұрын
Staples have always been code as far back as I know. In Texas since the state took over licensing, all jobs are supposed to be inspected. The builder is supposed to hire an independent inspector if they are outside a municipal jurisdiction.
@clayadams2068
@clayadams2068 20 күн бұрын
@@nooneyouknowhere6148 In my part of Texas once you get outside the city limits it’s the Wild West. You do as you please and I don’t know of any contractor that’s hired an outside inspector. Contractors hate inspectors.
@JM-iz3fr
@JM-iz3fr 14 күн бұрын
Do it right or stay home! It's not a hobby. If you don't like something in the code, you can fill out the form to make a change, oh wait, it's a pain for you!
@aptpupil
@aptpupil 5 күн бұрын
This is interesting, but it all begs the question: why?
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 4 күн бұрын
The primary reason is protection of the cable. I could write a couple of paragraphs on all the ways a cable can be damaged if it's not secured. Maybe I should make a video on the subject.
@aptpupil
@aptpupil 3 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine please do because it seems to me that 99.9% of its existence involves it not being moved in any way
@jonboggio3323
@jonboggio3323 18 сағат бұрын
Yeah, while code has some good reasoning, it is also a load of crap. When you can fish a wire and throw half the codes out. Just a way to strangle hold an entire trade with "licenses."
@paulg444
@paulg444 12 сағат бұрын
Codes were once fantastic information that saved lives... And then over decades they grew and became absurd satires.
@johnnyrico707
@johnnyrico707 25 күн бұрын
This is why I encourage all homeowners to not get anything inspected. I even offer them a discount.
@andrewblack7852
@andrewblack7852 2 күн бұрын
Codes need to be scrapped entirely
@joelee2371
@joelee2371 Күн бұрын
There didn't always used to be codes. Sloppy and dangerous work by lazy or unknowledgeable individuals made codes necessary. And, no, I'm not a fan of big government either, but sloppy work in building trades results in people dying.
@masttt8480
@masttt8480 3 күн бұрын
Its almost like a religion.
@douglashewitt5064
@douglashewitt5064 7 сағат бұрын
Almost? Blasphemy!! 😮
@jeff-w
@jeff-w 25 күн бұрын
Canadians, this vid isn't relevant for you. Move along.
@metta4567
@metta4567 26 күн бұрын
Would have been a good instructive video if it didn't have 5 minutes of sponsored ads in the middle
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 26 күн бұрын
The sponsored ads are how I get paid. And I only agree to sponsor products I really love. The ad was only 90 seconds. I know it can be disruptive but I appreciate your understanding.
@NotJRB
@NotJRB 25 күн бұрын
As if you can't simply skip over anything you find offensive. Your comment was snarky with a silly altruistic expectation. This man spends time and his money to produce these videos. If that's what makes these videos possible then I'm all for it.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
@@NotJRB Thank you!
@timrxn5414
@timrxn5414 25 күн бұрын
@@NotJRBexactly right and well stated. And as it happens, I’m interested in the desk
@trimble1049
@trimble1049 17 күн бұрын
People have to make a living.
@ZACZPA
@ZACZPA 3 күн бұрын
Watched a few videos, and subscribed. Watched this video, and unsubscribed. What's the strategy with eluding to something but then telling us you'll cover that topic later!? Jesus.
@AJHeikkila
@AJHeikkila 3 күн бұрын
He's reading through the manual as it's written without jumping back and forth between the codes. Other than that, telling your audience to wait for something later has been standard practice since the beginning of time.
@tsl7881
@tsl7881 2 күн бұрын
Aka: cliffhanger , insert commercial here or watch next episode.
@ZACZPA
@ZACZPA 2 күн бұрын
@@tsl7881 Exactly aka why I cancelled cable years ago
@ZACZPA
@ZACZPA 2 күн бұрын
@@tsl7881 Exactly aka I stopped paying for cable years ago
@jerrydemas2020
@jerrydemas2020 25 күн бұрын
John, So glad I am no longer working and the mind numbing code requirements. Fello 54250 from McClellan AFB.
@BackyardMaine
@BackyardMaine 25 күн бұрын
Retirement is underrated Jerry.. I do want to take a trip to Sacramento at some point. I haven't been there since 1988.
@jerrydemas2020
@jerrydemas2020 25 күн бұрын
@@BackyardMaine I left McClellan in 1979 and went to Hickam. Tough duty lol.
@joemichael3656
@joemichael3656 Күн бұрын
As many as possible, it’s always in violation of some code.
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