Ron Atkinson - Big Ron - Am I A Racist? - BBC documentary

[@Weirjetwashing]

The absolute irony of max clifford talking about someone being in the wrong 😂😂😂😂

[@Onmysheet]

Complete sociopath!

[@philkearney0577]

That motherfuckas toast😆

[@TokyoJoe703]

Rest in piss

[@TheWelwyn21]

I'm getting the word NONCE

[@CARLIN4737]

Dead now like Rons career.

[@bobstar6837]

"Who wants tea, who wants coffee?" I will take a coffee Ron and make it black... " Not in my fookin house you won't!"

[@cicstommy]

😂😂😂😂

[@TheGreatestPlayerInTheWorld]

Bahahaha quality 😂

[@sabtiy80]

Amazing comment😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Buckblacket]

Atkinson was quoted as saying "How can I be a racist? I drink gallons of Um Bongo and some of my best shoes are black"!

[@littlebrayutd]

😂😂😂😂

[@r4h4al]

He comes off terribly in this documentary it's like he's justifying being racist by making more racist comments and just keeps digging and digging so to speak.

[@luckyboy407]

That's hilarious 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@awake3460]

Lol

[@dogshitonastick4008]

He has a black cat too! Cant be racist 🙄

[@robicenco1]

This does feel like an Alan Partridge special.

[@mustafarussell]

Fi real. Racist Ron, now he's gone

[@royfr8136]

Definitely... back of the net.

[@CC-ff7ft]

🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[@09stevebull]

Partridge visits usa 🇺🇸 lol

[@simonedgbaston]

😂

[@BlueLeopard200]

"Apparently I made the alleged remark." Ron Atkinson Yeah the one on tape.

[@michaelkitchin9665]

"I didn't swear." Then Chiles pipes in saying he did. Amazing.

[@socco69]

It seems he's still in some state of denial. That's what's damaging to how he comes off in this documentary. "Apparently I made the alleged remark." and "I didn't swear." are comments that just indicate he still hasn't fully accepted and owned exactly what he said.

[@andysmith8890]

@@socco69 yes because he is wrong on both counts....he is lying

[@nigefal]

@@socco69 One they didn't do which I am surprised they didn't was play what he said back to Ron. On the one hand he says he didn't remember saying it. Then on the other he says he didn't swear or alleged it happened.

[@Bennyboy12]

Atkinson himself faced a lot of prejudices for being orange in colour.

[@djpeekay25]

Pony boy Curtis LOL!

[@mauriceguiney1200]

Curtis.....🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Rezmund]

Adored by oompa loompas the world over

[@johnkeane5641]

He's a cousin of the man from delmonte

[@PabloM-ny1vd]

I thought he was more mahogany

[@simoneconneff4086]

I think Frank Skinner hits the nail on the head when he says "you can debate is Ron Atkinson racist but what he said about Marcel Desailly WAS racist". Attributing racism to words and actions is more constructive than arguing whether people are or aren't.

[@racefirstunialondon3323]

RON IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST.

[@MisAnnThorpe]

@do br That is not what Simone Conneff was saying. Reading what your wrote, I would imagine that she has you down as a racist, sexist homophobe!

[@phillipbrainy2578]

Im openly racist and homophobic. And big Ron was right, Desailly was shite that night in Monaco

[@glazersout6101]

Thats why Birmingham is a shithole

[@racefirstunialondon3323]

@Paul Nelson You seem like a white supremacist suspect.

[@liamjones9115]

When a completely random video shows up in your algorithm! And of course I will watch it in full

[@fka_the_body1542]

It would be rude not too😏

[@Onmysheet]

I'm trying to find the video where Olivia Lee gives him the middle finger at the golf course and he is just sitting there paralysed with anger. lol

[@rs-vp7re]

It's not a random algorithm

[@liamjones9115]

@@rs-vp7re if you say so chief

[@Spoonbill_88]

@@rs-vp7re ok nerd

[@bigt5512]

“It was a black day” “Shouldn’t say that really should I” effin hell!

[@Noresearchneeded]

Bigt 55 🤦‍♂️

[@brayo001]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@shaunb9876]

I pissed myself laughing at that bit 😂

[@forrestblevins6852]

Jeeeeeesus

[@joankersting2358]

Don’t be daft! Race hatred is easy to spot, always coming from an ignorant boob deeply insecure. Some things are quite simple.

[@sammyod101]

I think the N word is used more in this documentary than a Snoop Dogg record or maybe even a Tarantino movie

[@bonglesnodkins329]

Before we all became moronic coddled children, it used to be possible to discuss that word in the context of debates about racism.

[@rossboyer8879]

Being with Chelsea fans before the Monaco game obviously rubbed off on him

[@developer101]

Ross Boyer so true...

[@alanjohnson4637]

A number of the Chelsea fans probably rubbed off on him too .....

[@1958david1]

What bag of shit do you support then?

[@pjthapa4162]

A few fans are Racist. Not everyone.

[@WorldCupWillie]

Not all, but a lot. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHPIlo2MmZuoqKs

[@lovelondon806]

And this is when I apparently made the alleged remark......... he couldn’t give a toss

[@garethcullen9604]

Lol

[@forrestblevins6852]

“This is where I was when I uttered that aberration.” Oh that was the only time I’ve ever said that in my life. I don’t even remember saying it. Doesn’t seem like he does

[@mrvarus8957]

The most hilarious documentary i have ever seen.

[@pauliepaul3697]

And hypocritical at the same time very ironic really

[@lakmeister]

Not if your black asshole!

[@nickm8874]

@@pauliepaul3697you don’t really understand either of those words do you. Just Chuck em about and hope nobody notices

[@pauliepaul3697]

@@nickm8874 come down se London some time you might change your tune 🙄 And I do understand them words believe me You wouldn't last a year in se London i wonder why hypocrite!

[@michae13james10]

“Do you define yourself as English first Or Jamaican first ? “ “ neither ..... I define myself as John Barnes”

[@johannesvonsaaz3987]

That was class like

[@DB-qj5kt]

Bet if he couldn’t make the England team he’d be Jamaican

[@johnkeane5641]

I like john he's a nice guy i met him in Amsterdam years ago he liked the ladies

[@johnkeane5641]

@@DB-qj5kt but he did make the England team

[@johnkeane5641]

And your point is ?

[@alansquared]

That was the strangest opening segment for a documentary on such a serious a topic as this.

[@AndrewCharles1]

Stupid comment

[@conorsmith8551]

This has the feel of a channel 5 documentary and yet it was done by bbc 😂😂

[@melvyns1975]

Throughout the whole program I just felt he was bitter for getting caught and didnt really seem apologetic

[@sugs1191]

He is not racist imo

[@melvyns1975]

@@sugs1191 so racially insulting someone doesn't mean you're a racist?

[@sugs1191]

@@melvyns1975 no

[@neillp3827]

@@melvyns1975 there is a difference between racially discriminating against people in life and work and making an ignorant thick comment maybe to curry favour with the company your in.

[@sas22thebest48]

So true, bitter , arrogant, and showed no remorse

[@andyhornhornhorn]

Ron reminds me of Feech Lamanna from The Sopranos

[@pickleboy487]

I thought frank Lopez if he had an 80s stache

[@irieite9666]

"This Gardiner..... Does he trim the hair on your balls too?"

[@Scallion_D]

@@pickleboy487 lol. Good shout.

[@peterfawkes350]

agreed

[@gar651527]

Now do yourself a fucking favour.....

[@markt804]

This documentary did more more bad than good and probably drove the last nail home in Ron's career.

[@daveeol1987]

Haha the old bring him back in from the cold routine didn't pan out too well

[@AnthonyMonaghan]

Good.

[@sas22thebest48]

Exactly, made the truth of his attitude come swimming to the surface

[@CARLIN4737]

Thats a bit Iffy?

[@jonjone661]

“Either had to be all or nothing for my money.”

[@jamesvickers5998]

Ron's defence seems to be based solely on that he brought through "the three degrees" at WBA thus helping to breakdown racial barriers in sports, and that he was the only manager doing it. The trouble is that it's not really true: Ron didn't sign Regis or Cunningham for Albion, they were already there, though he did sign Batson (who was with him at Cambridge) and later Remi Moses. Ron saw a great marketing opportunity to put his club in the public eye with the three degrees nickname and the legend of Ron being a racial pioneer was born. As for other clubs in the late 70s: Man City had Roger Palmer, Dave Bennett, Gary Bennett and Alex Williams; Port Vale had Neville and Mark Chamberlain, later Mark Bright; Chris Hughton then Garth Crookes at Spurs, Luther Blisset and John Barnes at Watford, Ricky Hill and Brian Stein at Luton, George Berry and Bob Hazel at Wolves, so Ron was far from the only one.

[@mcfcguvnors]

Used to watch Roger Palmer at Maine road

[@jamesvickers5998]

@@mcfcguvnors any good?

[@normanby100]

Leeds beat them all with Albert Johanson. Dirty Leeds were quite woke for their time.

[@jamesvickers5998]

@@normanby100 Paul Reaney too.

[@johnkeane5641]

I saw Alex Williams painting his fence last week on didsbury road

[@barrymcmahon469]

"Thrown it away by sheer stupidity" You said it Ron!

[@MisAnnThorpe]

Yes, but the real stupidity was agreeing to make this hatchet job of a "documentary" and believing that those ever so unbiased peadophiles at the PPC would give him a fair hearing. Otherwise, given a few years, most people (like you) would've forgotten all about "Racist Ron" and he would probably have been rehabilitated.

[@spudthejackrussell86]

If this was meant to support the fact he’s not a racist then it has backfired !!! So much self pity and an apology that is only said in the hope his career is resurrected, the bloke interviewing him at the end is absolutely spot on and deserves a pint 🍻

[@jamiejosh96]

Oh have a day off, the race baiting nutter deserves credit

[@gruphenio6787]

Adrian Chiles…that guy made the odd racist comment in his football commentary, and also got sacked.

[@pejpm]

‘Alleged’. What is he talking about??

[@mikegattotv]

He could have totally sorted everything out by admitting what he said was racist and showing genuine desire to learn from his mistakes... (even if he didn't mean it) - Instead he basically denies any wrong doing and comes across ignorant and un-remorseful ... Missed opportunity Ron.

[@nickm8874]

He was kind of remorseful and apologetic … and then that young American college student told him she calls her mates ****a …. And it set him off! Hahaha

[@BillyBronco73]

Somebody should have told Ron to stop digging.

[@stuartkerr9478]

looking forward to Adrian Chiles' retrospective documentary on whether his Ron Atkinson racism documentary was in itself racist

[@5uper5kill3rz]

100% twitter would say so, can’t say the N word if you’re white these days regardless of context, can’t even read of mice and men in English lessons soon, I bet you

[@louduva9849]

CANCEL ADRIAN CHILES

[@Mac-rf5wf]

Then sometime into the future they'll have to make another documentary exploring whether Chiles' retrospective documentary on whether his Ron Atkinson racism documentary was in itself racist, was in itself racist.

[@rohithraman6488]

@@Mac-rf5wf And the cycle continues

[@buzzin_fly7509]

If they think that's racist they need to put Leo do caprio up for life imprisonment for his role in Django Unchained

[@thecornedbeefcouncil9792]

All he had to say was “I’M not calling him a n****r, I’m saying what people MAY have called him when I started managing....I shouldn’t have said it but it was said without thinking” etc. All this “I’ve apologised enough” makes him sound like he feels he’s the victim now. That isn’t going to wash.

[@troywright359]

It's honestly sad

[@TonyHavenMusic]

When Max Clifford is taking a morale high ground over you, you know you messed up 😂

[@rohithraman6488]

Also when Garth Crooks is calling someone stupid

[@Obetv01]

At the time, the worst thing about this it felt to me was that it was said of Marcel D. Arguably one of the most successful hard working footballers of his time. A legend of the game who would be anything but lazy. In fact, Desaily and Deschamps grew up together at Marseille like brothers with a commitment to each other to out work everyone else on their way to the top. Now if he was called a lazy n***** after all he went on to achieve, what hope for us mere mortals. Big Ron at the time was my favorite CL host at the time. He commented on some great games; R Madrid v MAn UTd with peàk Zidane. Then that. Such a let down

[@TeamOfThe80s]

What I keep thinking is what they say throughout the show - why would that be in his vocabulary anyway?!

[@jefflinton]

Actually Cantona called Deschamps the 'water carrier' and the Chelsea Desailly wasn't the AC Milan or Marseille Desailly,he was lazier and more prone to errors.

[@EDFilmsUK]

16:58 “The two coloured players combining beautifully there” Imagine if they said that now...

[@brettworrallo395]

Motson

[@rohithraman6488]

Imagine if Big Ron was a commentator for the England/Italy shootout

[@bonglesnodkins329]

Back in the 80s this was actually the recommended non-racist terminology. It changes all the time.

[@TomWardComedian]

The Cameroon clip is the killer...in court that would destroy the defense lawyer's argument

[@turnerthemanc]

11:23 lol.....words of wisdom, there, from convicted sex offender Max Clifford

[@grassrootsfootball225]

Big Ron will always have swagger

[@albertg63]

Watching this in 2020 with my jaw on the table! 🤯

[@corpgov]

they wantonly say the n word as if we need constant clarification

[@scruffmcgruff03]

@@corpgov call the pc police mr brown person

[@KeppaOSF]

Am I the only one who feels like this entire documentary is about Mr. Atkinson justifying his own actions? If you're able to say THAT kind of stuff when (you think) nobody is listening/looking.. Your thinking process is that way, which means you ARE racist in my opinion..

[@zargonthemagnificent330]

I suspect many people under 40 will fully agree with you. Those of us over 45 will tend to think he' was a total twat but he grew up in a time when, undoubtedly, social attitudes were different. Not excusing it, merely explaining it. In time, you will also start to feel as if you can't keep up with the world around you , it happens to everyone eventually.

[@Scott1433]

@@zargonthemagnificent330 totally agree. He is a product of his era, he is totally ignorant and doesn't really get it. I don't detect any malice in Ron Atkinson just ignorance. If somebody 40 years younger than him behaved like him I think I'd view him more harshly.

[@stubbzy4lfc]

Kinda obvious Ron was more sorry he got caught saying it than what he said, and feels he’s “over-apologised” now

[@kdlofty]

One of the cuff comment, does NOT make him a racist. Daft comment? Yes, Is he a racist? No.

[@r4h4al]

Yes it does. Remember people were quick to hang John Terry out to dry when he said the N word which ironically wasn't racist at all, but that's another matter.

[@kdlofty]

@@r4h4al Did you actually the full John Terry comment? Not the edited one? Clearly not.

[@r4h4al]

@@kdlofty What was the full comment I strongly doubt it was racist?

[@deanjames5130]

He is definitely a racist

[@r4h4al]

@@deanjames5130 Terry isn't. Saying the N word in a passive way doesn't make you racist. Otherwise that makes all black people that say it racist by that logic.

[@thomasob1492]

This is the best piece of television ever made haha

[@z.czieyaad9999]

Imagine his thoughts on Pogba if he managed Manchester United now.

[@tom7131]

he is a pundit for MUTV lol

[@technologylover121]

😂😂

[@rhysgregory5897]

He was one of the first managers to back playing black players at WEST BROM

[@wonjubhoy]

@Bryan McDade 4 politicians who attend cabinet meetings are drawn from ethnic minorities. www.gov.uk/government/ministers I don't remember any black or Asian cabinet ministers in South Africa before 1994. I have also noticed Ben Carson is a member of President Trump's government and he is black. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Donald_Trump

[@alanbrady7116]

Ryan Giggs mooched his sister in law. This is wrong

[@da_great_mogul]

Atkinson football career highlight... hitting the post. Legend!

[@obsoleteworlds]

Yes. That was a short documentary.

[@1ironmikeoc]

it is actually enjoyable to see the producers haul him from place to place to try to reeducate him on what he has done. currently at 25 minutes and they have stuck him on a plane to the US to find out about the word he used

[@irieite9666]

I just think its hilarious that this attempt to build back his reputation failed so spectacularly lol. At one stage he kind of equates saying "this is a black day" to saying "Desailly is a lazy thick n****" lmao

[@CARLIN4737]

He just dosnt get it and is completely ignorant to what even racism is?

[@albertupardsnipec5988]

​@@irieite9666 this wasn't an attempt to build back his reputation, it was an effort to destroy the man, culminating in race-hustler in chief Darcus Howe telling him to scrub Rio Ferdinand's boots.

[@cicstommy]

Anyone else feel that Adrian Chiles’s (admittedly natural) nonchalant tone sets the wrong mood for this programme?

[@tomcunners9887]

This is TV heaven.

[@nicknack3648]

Funniest documentary ive seen in a long time 😂

[@TheIkaraCult]

"This is a museum of racist memorobilia, if Ron is tired of hearing the N word, this is probably the last place he should be" I was dying when I heard that one 😂

[@cegb551]

A lot of people think like big Ron, they just hide it better.

[@festavision]

Negative mentality.

[@Seanc74]

of all races.

[@cegb551]

Scruffy Sandra Of course they are, but I’ve NEVER been with any of my black mates and heard them shout anti white stuff at any white person. Oh the other hand, the amount of times I’ve been called names by random white boys/males is quite a lot.. My parents didn’t raise me to dislike people based on race/religion.. I’m proud of that.

[@cegb551]

BFC have you ever been to America and spoken to blacks over there?? Ever been to South Africa and spoken to blacks over there..?? I have, and guess what??? West Indies not so much.

[@cegb551]

Scruffy Sandra my parents came to the uk back in the 60’s, as teenagers.. Worked hard all their lives, my mum still does 💪🏿. They taught us from a young age what we would face from white people, and they weren’t wrong. They also told us to rise above it, study/work hard and to TRY and get along with everyone. They also taught us that names don’t hurt, but if someone puts their hands on you...

[@markellsamuels5991]

I'm black and my brother used to play for Aston Villa, I met Big Ron one evening at Villa Park with my dad & Mr Atkinson couldn't have been more warm, kind, friendly & accommodating if he tried. As I've gotten older and have had a lot of experiences in my life with regards to colour I've learnt not to throw Racism at every incident involving stupidity & race and believe me there are a lot of stupid people out there. I tend to judge people on their intent and not what comes out of their mouths, we all say a lot of stupid shit, I called someone a stupid faggot the other day cuz they broke a string on my guitar not thinking for a moment that I have gay friends & how would they feel if they heard me say that. What made me really mad with big Ron was his comments afterwards when he said I can't be racist I've signed black players & I have many black friends, note to white people never say this to a black person because even the white slave owner had black slaves working in his house. If I could have given him any advice at the time it would have been ' say sorry, shut the fuck up & move on.

[@NeroAngelo616]

You fat stinking hypocrite. It's concerning to you when you think if you were do it but if Ron sticks to his guns and shows his innocence it's different then. Woke culture in a nutshell. This whole thing has been an entire black comedy.

[@CaymanIslandsCatWalks]

I met him in Dubai and gotta say the same about him. Up the villa!

[@garethpauljones1]

Great comment Mark.

[@kdlofty]

Brilliant mature and open answer. Looking at your name was your brother J Lloyd?

[@eire3215]

Well said Mark...i dont think there was any malice in what he said cos hes a big joker really. Life of the party..its sad this ruined his job life.

[@DCDPM]

David Brent should have been sent on a racism awareness course. It was like The Office episode that never happened.

[@Instasamps]

Get the guitar….

[@Revelian1982]

​@@InstasampsHe went home to get it..

[@AnonymousSuperTuber]

Ron is a legend

[@d2dar459]

31:10 Gotta love the fact that they used a song by Mos Def, a song which had a message and an actual reason beyond the superficial for using the n word, and played like 5 seconds without context.

[@andysmith8890]

He said how can I be racist, I like Bob Marley and Black Coffee

[@johnkeane5641]

And swam in the black sea

[@ucey-mi2wr]

And watch the all blacks at the world cup

[@yaramar34]

9 minutes in, loads of contributions from Ron and his mates and yet he still hasnt been confronted with what he said and when he finally is, he doesn't give a 5hit

[@tommytaylor5195]

Not true at all,he has apologised,said sorry,and held his hands up, what he hasn't done is gone over board/keep on apologising for it,that's all, you can tell he isn't racist,he was angry the night he said what he said,and he said something in anger,I've lost my control,and said stupid things in the past, don't hammer Ron,he really doesn't deserve it, Brendan Batson knows the score.

[@junaldinho100]

As a black man I must say that I myself have used racial slurs, insults and jokes to other races, including myself. It’s pretty hypocritical that people are condemning others for using “racial slurs” when we’ve all done and said it. I’d be a massive hypocrite had I slated Atkinson for this

[@alanbrady7116]

Honesty.

[@Hubertbebe93]

Priince Brvce_LUHG_ well done mate he never meant it he’s from a older time I don’t think what he sayed was rite it’s was rotten but he’s sayed his sorry and still getting slaughtered in 2020

[@junaldinho100]

Dnomyar Akunawik I somewhat agree. However, if your apology is sincere, then I feel there’s no need to hold it against them for the rest of their lives.

[@Hubertbebe93]

He was defo rong for what he sayed it’s rotten man

[@idesireit31]

Nope you're just a bounty

[@powdergangereddie3413]

Lmao 😂 this doco had me rollin

[@killerclown7669]

Can't help but love big Ron

[@powdergangereddie3413]

Killer Clown lol aye

[@sjm2721]

And he was never seen or heard of again

[@Amnec__]

Can believe the amount of times they use that word on this video. Unbelievable !

[@bestgrimbarianever]

you could play a drinking game and end up in hospital :P

[@bonglesnodkins329]

Documentary was made before we all became infantilised.

[@roblloyd6082]

Car crash tv. The equivalent of big Ron having a motorway pile up.

[@robertmason6366]

Fukin hey lol

[@35Hoopsfan]

Big Ron on a University campus in Alabama discussing use of the n word with undergrads..... So random, lol.

[@nickm8874]

I just wasn’t prepared for the whole American radio bit. Honestly what were they thinking? Absolute comedy gold He came back more angry and more indignant hahaha

[@BlueLeopard200]

Being paid several times more than brain surgeons for being a football pundit is such a good deal that very very few people get that you really ought to be without blemishes to do it. If he's "brought back" someone else will have to go, obviously. My question is why the hell should someone else be forced out when they haven't done what Ron done? Can anyone answer that? There isn't an infinite number of commentator slots. Why should someone else be fired or have their work reduced for Ron? Hmm?

[@6madx]

Haha Max Clifford lol

[@alanbrady7116]

Max Clifford is dead

[@harold_Shitmum]

Had a heart attack in the sex offender wing in prison after trying to clean his cell! What a way to go!!

[@xxxthug7817]

MAX CLIFFORD A DEAD DOG

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

Apparently that's when I made the alleged remark. Jesus.

[@nevilleturnbull5389]

Ron got caught making those comments about black players, something he has been doing all his football life. No Love lost for this man. England has always looked at black players like that he just got caught.

[@KENNYPAUL2]

Neville Turnbull damn right and no surprise to me in the doco it’s terry enables saying you’ve apologised enough.

[@portcullis5622]

Difficult to feel any sympathy for him, after 24 years of being very well paid for mostly stating the obvious. He got away with a similar offensive comment 14 years earlier, so he had a good ron.

[@muntari82]

"His mum is somewhere in Africa watching it from a tree" effing hell

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

sulley muntari back home. Never said Africa

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

Jack Evans yep it's in the context of the joke not in the opinion facts remain facts this guy assumed he meant Africa and so did you. Where does she actually live?

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

Jack Evans yup what lives in a tree then?

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

Jack Evans BIRDS

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

Jack Evans most common birds but bravo 👏

[@adam84657]

I think in Ron's case, he came from a period where saying the N word is not a big deal, but I generally believe he is a good human being

[@kevinmurray-hill4027]

Like many people, I have some sympathy for the price that big Ron has paid, for his (totally unacceptable) choice of word describing Marcel Desailly. But the reactions from his employers, colleagues and the public was inevitable and predictable, the world has moved on and the problem is that if Ron was re-employed it would represent an unarticulated condoning of his comment. Ron Atkinson does seem to be genuinely baffled by the fact that he has been labelled a racist, especially in view of his previous history of bringing on players at WBA, and also the testimonies of various black players who know him personally. But what they recognise and he does not is that the N word is certainly racist, and deeply offensive, and if it should 'slip' out in an unguarded moment, then it can not be ignored.

[@justbreakingballs]

Yeh but is only a word.

[@daveeol1987]

He's obviously just old school he even said that's what's kniwn as before he said it. Probably remembering something from times gone by

[@Grandmastergav86]

Words only have the power you ascribe them.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Yet we knew if a black person "let slip" a racial slur it wouldn't impact their career at all. It's the double standard, the racist double standard, that people have a problem with. eg. Trevor Sinclair, who is employed by TalkSport, was convicted of racial abuse directed at a police officer.

[@bigt5512]

“These are the sort of things you find offensive?” Stood in front of a picture of a black man being eaten by an alligator 🐊🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Helio144]

Big Ron's always been a smooth operator

[@kevinreay1510]

As a young Newcastle fan I'm ashamed to say I joined in with some of the racist chants in the 70s. My excuse? I was 14 and stupid. I grew up and I look back on those (mercifully short) times with shame. Ron didn't have the excuse of age on his side. He's a racist whatever excuses he makes.

[@callithowiseeit5806]

Bullshit, when you were round your own people you were tribal and as tribes do you mocked outsiders, just like ALL tribes and ALL colours do, now you've left the tribe you feel vulnerable and walk around on eggshells scared to offend while others remain tribal towards you, don't try flogging your fear as 'moved on' or enlightened

[@DaveyMulholland]

​@@callithowiseeit5806it's not "walking on eggshells" it's realising that there are haIfwits and treacherous to$$ers in your own "tribe", so mocking other "tribes" as if they're any worse than you, is the act of a tragic terminal wally.

[@AaronOne-ch6op]

​@@callithowiseeit5806exactly . Am man united fan. Do I think the " Charlton in box" City fans need a dox..... grow up idiots having a laugh n being idiots

[@THEPINKFLOYDIANS]

That was bloody ridiculous 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 he came across more racist than before 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Silly old fool...

[@CARLIN4737]

Thats exactly what he is...A silly old fool.

[@danielconnolly8565]

I agree with the cleaning Rio’s boots. Ron’s wrong and should have been more conciliatory but a man should ALWAYS stand to shake another’s hand. 🖐🏻

[@MisAnnThorpe]

Yes, but that would denote respect and Ron Atkinson's a "white" (orange to be more precise) man so Mr Howe didn't need to stand. I bet it was a bloody weak handshake too! If Atkinson had agreed to clean Ferdinand's boots (have we all forgotten the "Rio/Lampard spit-roasting?!) what exactly do you think that would've proved or achieved? Do you think a single person would've said; "okay, so he can't be racist because he cleaned Rio Ferdinand's boot for 10 weeks"?! I personally would've felt even less kindly disposed towards Mr Atkinson if he'd gone along with that.

[@tonybrown3192]

As David Gray sings, "Some things you say you can never repair." Spot on.

[@nickycotton6137]

Exactly ✌

[@GA001]

That wasn’t the lyrics 😂

[@SlimReaper90-u4c]

11:45 " I said this is a blackday innit?....shouldn't have said that"

[@andyw9255]

The weird thing is nobody ever manages to drive the point home to him. It doesn't help that he tries to learn about racism from a white racist phone-in in Alabama (lol). As far as Big Ron is concerned, he has basically called Desailly the equivalent of a "wanker", and by the end of the programme his position hasn't really shifted. I think the only way to explain it to a white person might be to call their mother a cheap inbred whore or something along those lines - it's that ancestral slur and the baggage of slavery that makes the N-word much more offensive than a swear word. By using that word, you're not just insulting someone, you're bringing up all sorts of implications about their worth as a human being and their status in society. Ron never grasps this. (I don't think he's a bad person, by the way. And I don't think he needs to keep apologising. I'm just surprised he never catches on to what all the black players are saying to him - usually very patiently and politely.)

[@andyw9255]

@Undoctrinated I literally said he doesn't need to keep apologising? What makes you think I have a begging bowl? I work for a successful private company and I'm loaded!

[@andyw9255]

​@Undoctrinated no, I just thought he might show some empathy for people who don't like being called the n-word? Like a flicker of understanding at some point. He never does. It was just a comment on a KZbin video. I have no desire for him to display any kind of emotional breakdown. You seem to be projecting a lot of your own inadequacies and troubles and pet peeves on to my original comment, which didn't cover half the stuff you've talked about.

[@lwandilemsiza8027]

@@andyw9255 he's a racist to. Dont worry, they try to pretend its political correctness. But they know in their hearts what they mean by it. Ron isn't a bad bloke but he is definitely prejudiced and a racist regardless of his actions, I dont think he has any respect for black people beyond what they can do in service for him, he's just not as stupid as other racists who think theyll only get something of value from a white person. So his record as a manager doesnt deter me from calling him a racist, because Cyril Regis etc. were exceptional players who Ron had the sense to play

[@PJ-po7fu]

@@andyw9255😂😂class insults. It obviously hit a nerve!

[@neddystark3351]

"This is a black day".... lol he can't help himself 🤣🤣🤣

[@rohithraman6488]

Imagine if Ron was commentator for England/Italy shootout in Euro final

[@NeroAngelo616]

Gotta have a larf. This piece of propaganda is a black comedy and Ron is going with it. Just like any media pundit up your throat.

[@TheIkaraCult]

I was such a fan of Big Ron before all this. You can see pretty much everyone in this documentary were hoping he would be able to cast his pride aside and recognise how much pain his comment caused and show some humility. Brendan Batson especially, you can tell how much he wants Ron to just take a step back, but he just refuses to. I don't think people should be tossed on the scrapheap because they say the wrong thing, but if they have zero conception of the hurt caused then why should anyone give them the time of day?

[@brianbale9511]

Great question well worded and ill attempt an answer so here goes....Gordon brown when prime minister left his microphone 🎤 on he called a working class voter A BIGOT thats a wage payer of his a taxpayer a labour voter Disgusting 🙏 🙏 🙏 so ronald left his microphone 🎤 on he used to allegedly gloat on tv football pundit time allegedly a braggert he like Brown allegedly had a momentarily of what ? Disgusting yes but was this both of their allegedly vile nasty true feelings on their fellow sharing work one being football the other politics is this a moment in time for us the wage payers of these types to say hey are they genuine if the answers yes then God help us 🙏

[@Kalus_Saxon]

It’s not a crime to hurt someone’s feeling if it was comedians would be banned and so would rap music as it uses slurs all the time… oh it’s acceptable for them to use those words because it doesn’t upset them they choose to be upset as it pays to be a full time victim blaming everyone else for your peoples failings

[@nickm8874]

@@Kalus_Saxonyou have to tell yourself that being born white is an achievement because it’s the only thing you can list as an accomplishment

[@pauliepaul3697]

@@nickm8874 get a life 🤣

[@theodorebundy2234]

The music is ace

[@DeanHolcroft]

bring big ron back, every 1 makes mistakes and ron clearly did, he as paid the price and every1 should be given a chance

[@sawittisunga]

His mistake was to let his racism show. I'm bemused by the strange concept that one must be aware of one's racism in order for it to be racism. Utter nonsense. If the phraseology had not been a part of his psyche it wouldn't have 'mistakenly' slipped out. He's a racist whether he's aware of it or not.

[@deirdrepinn]

not the first time ... the mother in the tree comment ... bet there is a lot of other comments that we haven't heard

[@irieite9666]

A mistake is only a mistake if you learn from it and clearly he hasnt.

[@alwhyte6533]

He may regret saying it, but that regret is entirely out if self interest. He's only concerned that he's lost out on contracts. It displays a level of arrogance that is beyond belief. That word has consequences, and he has to accept those consequences. Casual use of it is not acceptable.

[@boomerang1062]

Sarah Michelle Gilligan what isn’t classed as racist today? Lol people today just love to be a victim.

[@dkizxpt-su3ze]

Hilarious that they go America to teach Ron a lesson and all the radio show callers are on Ron's side 🤣

[@ticklish1991]

it was a right-wing radio station in the deep south. are you surprised when you read the guardian's letter pages and they're all lefties?

[@s.salazar6364]

Alabama, bible country, well I suppose it's some kind of America.

[@5uper5kill3rz]

Bloke at 55:38 is spot on, companies do whatever makes them look good, they don’t actually care about the issues at hand

[@TokyoJoe703]

Exactly they bought back that disgusting prick carragher after he spat at teenage girl, the twat gets sky ratings

[@LondonHistory1977]

Ron & Max....2 relics of a backward bygone era....

[@P1mpMyBr1de]

What he said was wrong especially in the presence of other people But what ever happened to forgiveness in this world? Ron made huge contributions to football and i hope he's enjoying his retirement

[@SuperMuneera]

Let the people he offended forgive him. It seems white people can be racist and then other whites demand forgiveness for them. He should earn it.

[@millwallholdings]

@@SuperMuneera Bit like blacks then aint they

[@davidcaldwell6627]

If Jesus was around today , and he stepped in when the woman was being stoned, and he said " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" nobody threw one, but in todays society million of stones would be thrown.

[@chrisbennett606]

I am black and I couldn't care less about it I like Ron Atkinson Look at all the recruits at west brim etc He's not discriminated on recruitment I look at the whole picture I Miss his presence and football commentary I really couldn't care less

[@davyhiggins5693]

I'm white and I would say he was well out of order in both 1990 and 2004

[@BenjaminNavillus]

I went from thinking that Atkinson is a bit of a silly old buffer and had made a pretty rude comment to going back to being on his side after that Darkus Howe confrontation. Making someone clean boots, for fuck's sake... I came away with the feeling that Howe basically would be pretty happy for him to be subject to some form of corporal punishment if the law allowed for it. At that point it became farcical, even though I still think what was said was offensive.

[@TokyoJoe703]

A new sky sports Saturday with Ron Atkinson, Rodney Marsh, Geoff Hurst & Andy Gray would be great

[@jasminej2844]

Wow we’ve come along way!!

[@clarkgable3731]

will never get rid of racism will always be there for the rest of days

[@idesireit31]

Even if white supremacy is flipped on its head

[@Kyu1985]

I bet Ron take his coffee strong and black ☕💪

[@robertmason6366]

Coffee without milk

[@corpgov]

@C L almond milk for me :D

[@PSG81]

16:55 Shocking commentary from back in the day, '2 coloured players combining beautifully there' 😭😭🤣

[@davman115]

In a way that was worse than what Ron said because it was said knowing it would be heard on camera.

[@PSG81]

@Kevin Burrow In the US police officers kill you for being black

[@neillp3827]

You can't judge comments made in 40 or 50 years ago by todays standards, even black.players referred to themselves as coloured in those times.

[@dónalÓNiadh]

Not really. Even Muhammad Ali used the words "negro" and "coloured" as they were respectful terms back then. Language is evolving all the time.

[@bigt5512]

Imagine itv putting this on the tv tonight!!!

[@Taporeee]

Yes, probably but there are levels. Time, context and intention.

[@snipedotgenius]

John motson the two coloured players says it all aye ..

[@-_-DatDude]

LOL

[@Crazybob07]

He’s old generation and promoted a lot of black players. I don’t think there was malice in it. He was a good commentator

[@TheManorOfficial]

This documentary is a disgrace. How it was ever commissioned is even more disgraceful.

[@brokensythe]

Big up the manor, absolute class group

[@TheLustyworm]

nice to see the manor going down the same youtube rabbithole as myself

[@matthewmacqueen1703]

Robert Smith lockdown has been an experience

[@thomashardcastle7231]

Why?

[@MisAnnThorpe]

Thank god for BBC impartiality is all I can say!

[@MB-hz3rt]

Top bloke old Ron Atkinson legend of the game people will miss him when he's gone , he was a brilliant cup commentator him and Brian Moore champions league games together tv gold good old days , first victim of wokeness

[@MB-hz3rt]

All is ok for another black to call each other a nigger , Eminem sings about it , a great character of the game ruined because of wokeness

[@rodneyharding1668]

It's funny how people seem to forget life and times. I use to remember talented young black footballers leaving London to try to get a chance for a trail and the ONLY PLACE!!! Was West Brom. And as a Tottenham resident people followed OUR FINEST Mr Laurie Cunningham. It was funny Tottenham Hotspurs was around the corner from the field in Broadwater Farm. But scouts from other Northern clubs would come there. There was one or two Laurie Cunningham's that went unnoticed in those days. Because Tottenham only wanted names. So Ron I'm prepared to give you a ONCE ONLY BREAK! BECAUSE YOU GAVE US ONE!!!

[@normanby100]

Laurie got his break at Orient. They have a Laurie Cunningham Bar at Brisbane RD.

[@rodneyharding1668]

@@normanby100 True that but I was referring to getting a break in the First Division as it was at the time.

[@petehill8885]

A dark moment for the sport.

[@omarthearab81]

What Ron said was totally wrong, but cleaning boots at Man Utd said by Darkus Howe was out of order, it was like point scoring at that moment, I believe forgiving is the answer, I was racially abused by people for been mixed race, I hold no malice towards those people, we have to accept when someone stands up and admits they made a mistake and then that person can change.

[@MisAnnThorpe]

But like Darkus Howe said; he's not a Christian. The implication that he felt no need to forgive and wasn't going to, couldn't have been more obvious.

[@corpgov]

Darkus Howe took it a tad too personally, and revelled in it. The whole scene was tasteless and smacked of eternal damnation. I'm surprised Ron agreed to it. The only person you need to be accountable to is yourself. If you can't see you're wrong, no one else can help you as a grown man. A glutton for punishment.

[@irieite9666]

True but Ron shows no sign of changing and seems happy on that U.S Hillbilly show that he found people who agree with him lol

[@s.salazar6364]

Dark-us lol

[@smith077906]

From National treasure...........When was Ron a national treasure, nobody told me. Ron's a good bloke though

[@carlreginal8961]

Robin Bank's ttgv z

[@BroskiRIP]

Robin Banks He was an absolute icon. I think it's time to forgive the man now, he did brilliantly for Villa.

[@irieite9666]

When he described Notts Forest 8-1 defeat to Manchester United as a "9 goal thriller" is when he earned his place in the national treasury. Inventing trolling 20 years before it became fashionable.

[@tygermask1]

a good bloke and an even better Racist :)

[@leegilmour8090]

Bernard Hopkins said before the Joe Calzhaghe fight, no way I'm losing to a white boy and he still works for Golden Boy Promotions, in fact has since been made a partner in the company, and still appears on usa television, I think Ron made a mistake

[@scotty9732]

@@elmztana1201 me too and i am white and i'd stand up for a black friend if he said that to them m8 fuckin disgrace, i saw his mug being interviewed on keys and gray a couple days back - thought he had died

[@mauriceguiney1200]

@scotty: why am I not surprised that those 2 self obsessed twats, Keys and Grey would have this clown on.....working for that bastion of moral decency the Qatari govt

[@Mattg413]

Double standards.

[@Mattg413]

@AMG BOYZ but the fact is Hopkins hasn't been removed or made to explain is racist remarks.

[@scotty9732]

@@mauriceguiney1200 innit, absolute morons