Ronde Alpes 2024 Superformance Cobra 427 Engine Blow Up

[@power2me1]

so many questions. i had and loved my superformance cobra. ford racing 460 crate motor with weber carbs. did not have an oil starvation light like he did, but shocked he cooked the motor. he was NOT pushing it hard, at all. that was a brisk charity drive style ride. sorry for your loss, but glad u use it in good spirit! bon chance.

[@MS-Patriot2]

Was that not a shift light?

[@power2me1]

@@MS-Patriot2 no idea

[@seanowens3153]

@@MS-Patriot2 that light comes on very early, he was only just starting to wind it out when she gave up on him, very sad to see.

[@MS-Patriot2]

@@seanowens3153 sure, with all that torque she doesn’t need to rev above 3500 anyway.

[@seanowens3153]

@@MS-Patriot2 she should definitely be able to go above 3500 though.

[@gordonsimpson565]

It looked to be getting oil surge on every bend....my AC 289 used to do the same thing until I fitted a baffled sump. End of problem.

[@AtropalArbaal-dk8jv]

The Windsor and FE are completely different beasts. Also, if it's being raced, it has baffles, unless the engine builder is incompetent.

[@uglykidmoe150]

disagree. graduations on the oil pressure gauge appeared to be 0-20-40-60-80-100, whatever they were the needle on the gauge was pegged for the entire race just above the 40 mark. i kept my eyes glued to to oil pressure gauge thru the whole thing, it did not appear to move regardless of engine rpm, i thought it must be stuck or broken. although you didn't mention it, forget the tack light, you could tell from the motors sound it was never stressed. however the owner says it's a stroked small block 427 and revved to often beyond what was good for it. so, just wore out?

[@calebkey2050]

@@AtropalArbaal-dk8jvOP’s motor is a Windsor, no FE weirdness here

[@wannabecarguy]

I tried to tell people about windage trays. But they still go out and try to run push rod motors when they were intended to go straight and turn.

[@reallybadaim118]

I think you're correct

[@Flap999]

That is absolutely heartbreaking. I’m an old guy. This was my favorite car since I was 12 years old.😢

[@jeanettewest]

Such a clean run without stressing/over-revving the engine. That hurts. Hope you get the motor back together and back into the fun.

[@joa_motorsports]

Yes she will be back with his new heart in few weeks 😉👍

[@andrewhigdon8346]

@@joa_motorsportsshe with his? WOW.

[@onemanandhisdog9]

Or should it just be "they" ​@andrewhigdon8346

[@7212Mopar]

Appears the car was not going that fast. The driver was babying it from the start. The amber light did come on but can't hear the RPM increasing much and then it popped. Engine build issue.

[@amplituhedron5582]

5500-6000

[@onemanandhisdog9]

Look at the rev counter

[@ivaneberle3972]

Wet sump or dry? Lack of windage tray? Oil starvation?

[@joa_motorsports]

@@ivaneberle3972 wet sump Problem with shift light set too high and rev limiter never worked...

[@congerthomas1812]

​@@joa_motorsportsI use a tach or my ear.

[@antoncarmoducchi6057]

Bad luck. You looked like you were being gentle with her.

[@joa_motorsports]

@@antoncarmoducchi6057 yes i'm not pushing so hard ...

[@Imnotplayinganymore]

@@joa_motorsports We call that "bad data". My sympathies to you friend.

[@thegreatgizmo3590]

lovley sound, thats a real engin....💜💜💜

[@davehogye576]

It's interesting that the engine was still running and idling, the oil pressure gauge was dropping, but still had at least 30 psi, as far as I can tell, before turning the engine off.

[@muckle8]

The rear axle hopped over that bump in the road which caused the engine to over rev . Gearing was a bit wrong for that circuit imho. Glorious car .

[@johnudell6862]

Is it just me or does anyone else realize this guy has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how to shift or drive

[@johnudell6862]

Just another million or billion aire with a car that NEVER see its TRUE POTENTIAL Fkn Sad!

[@muckle8]

The gear changing reminded me of the film bullitt.! Wheel size wanted changing for that mountain track.

[@edhaley4168]

I agree , and I doubt he over reved it , sorta sounded like shit from the get go. Makes me wonder if the passenger was the owner and the driver was just some one else driving

[@muckle8]

@edhaley4168 lumpy cam on idle for sure but motor sounded strong when it was into its stride , I still think the rear end lifted and with the throttle already down it went into the redline and detonated - always a danger with highly tuned motors and stiff suspension/ road bumps . - my take on it . Would be nice to see what the damage was on a strip down follow up maybe.

[@AR-cw7yx]

Just ignore the yellow rev light, I'm sure you blow right past it.

[@scottyjones27]

Lite comes on done to late no sound like clutch came apart fly wheel cracked something, or those English dudes can't keep they Built Ford tough from rocks in the box best sticking to yo mini cars wee wee all the way home

[@gnashsang]

Ignoring the yellow light didn’t work out so well

[@darrensmith9407]

Didn't sound like it was revving that hard

[@mik3ymomo]

When the orange light comes on you must shift. He kept it to the floor. Rewatch that part of the video.

[@saltbeltupstateny4857]

It lost oil

[@gumballer133]

​@mik3ymomo You can set the shift light to any rpm. It really didn't appear to be revving that high, but he did keep his foot in it after the shift light came on and that was that.

[@arturozarate1752]

​@@mik3ymomoyes sir! Saw that too! 😂 That light is useless down there in the daylight.

[@helpful5539]

@@mik3ymomo Depends on the capability of the engine and what rpm the light is set to. It sounded like no overrevving to me. And I don't think that engine blew at all. Driveline or something

[@InfoAviatorselfstorage]

So is that an oil pressure light or a shift light under the dash?

[@davidford3073]

Sweet sounds 😮

[@pauljanssen7594]

More than likely a oil starvation problem not having a oil pan that works with it with baffles and most of all you should have a it's like a oil bladder, works great for when you first start the engine up get prime to engine before it starts. I forgot the technical name for it!

[@puttervids472]

Definitely oil starvation. If they keep oiling those engines just don’t break. My guess is it’s a small pan , and the repeated rpm sucked all oil up. Won’t drain back fast enough under cornering to get back to the sump. If it’s dry sump - probably not running enough oil. Oil light was on most of the run. Oil gauge on right was jumping. And laid down 10psi or more right before it let go.

[@larsekman5387]

Är det extremt tungstyrt, eller vad handlar det här om, han håller ju på och torkar disk hela tiden när han kör

[@SuperTruck1]

That thing sounded wounded from the get go! I am shocked you even went for it. You can hear it struggling to perform, and the carb sounds off like its packed full of garbage fuel. Also, make sure you run Lucas Stabilizer with the oil next time. I quart replaces 1 quart of oil and will help save your new engine.

[@davesdaytona]

just curious - what rpm was the shift light set to?

[@helpful5539]

looked like maybe 6000, which he rarely even hit. Just about any fe will take that all day. Something on this is bs. And that engine didn't blow it was the clutch or tranny

[@tonypitsacota2513]

I think I see the problem: It says "Carroll Shelby" on the dashboard.

[@John_Redcorn_]

Ford. Whatcha gonna do 🤷‍♂️

[@kylealbertson5131]

Sounded more like a broken U joint and dragging the driveline to me. Keep that thing up on the pipe, that stick on the floor is for Down shifting too 🤪

[@helpful5539]

Started pretty soon after he banged the car off the road. I am not sure I heard much of anything that sounded like internal engine at all. And when he came to that pull over spot the engine sounded almost exactly the same as when it was idling at the start line. When the car was moving was when you hear the clunking sounds. Sounds more like another click bait video

[@jimbiddlecome13]

+100......In 50 years I've never broke a BBC but I've broke plenty U joints. keep it on the pipe and deal with the wheel spin. WAY wrong setup for this course. geared way too tall.

[@CrispyTurtl3]

Unlucky. I'll own one one day. Maybe. What a killer car. Fix it up and try again!

[@joa_motorsports]

@@CrispyTurtl3 yes new engine will arrive soon 😉👍

[@davidallen5976]

Yellow light came on constantly as rpm’s climbed. I think it was as simple as the engine didn’t have enough oil in the crankcase.

[@TML34]

Your engine is, how you say, KAPUT! 🔥

[@alexanderhampp6467]

Nope. "Kaputt".

[@Cobra427Veight]

I didn't think you were overly thrashing it , ive pulled a lot of revs with my 408 windsor , its been great , do you have a gated sump ? , not sure which 427 you've got , but maybe time to go to the 4.125 bore world products block or similar with 4.00 stroke version

[@joa_motorsports]

351 windsor stroked in 427 with gated sump but the problem is the set up of the shift light not matching with the rpm counter and don't matching with real rpm too ... and the rev limiter has never worked too so since 5 years we think we pull revs at 5500-6000 rpm but in reality rpm are higher maybe 6500-7000 rpm and it's too much for stroker engine

[@bricefrappe2583]

​@@joa_motorsports is the stroke 4.250 then ?

[@Cobra427Veight]

@joa_motorsports ireved my 408 to 7200 that's a 4.0 stroke , I managed a 10.91 @ 126.56 mph. Maybe a 3.750 stroke would be nice with the big bore ? for you .

[@joa_motorsports]

@@Cobra427Veight we will go with Dart forged 427

[@benjaminwatson7868]

@@bricefrappe2583no with a 4.125in bore you only need 4in stroke to hit 427

[@DS-ss396]

No Dry Sump??

[@joa_motorsports]

gated sump

[@florianbonjour9063]

Désolé pour vous le moteur va pouvoir etre réparé ?

[@joa_motorsports]

@@florianbonjour9063 non malheureusement le bloc est HS

[@cabaneencac5168]

@@joa_motorsports Ca veut dire quoi en HS ?

[@joa_motorsports]

@@cabaneencac5168 ça veut dire qu'il n'est pas récupérable car endommagé

[@cabaneencac5168]

@@joa_motorsports ok merci

[@bricefrappe2583]

​@@cabaneencac5168 Hors Service Désolé pour votre moteur Joa...

[@RoadHead62]

Looks like it handles like a 1 ton truck. No doubt the heavy nose had him concentrating on steering instead of shifting.

[@John_Redcorn_]

The steering box ratio seems very slow. Having to use WAY too much input to get around those tight turns.

[@richardfitzwell6579]

I take it you've never driven a Cobra before. They handle quite well.

[@truthray2885]

Who built the engine in that car?!

[@onemanandhisdog9]

Me

Love your car, is that a blown motor? Well, it is now!

[@BradThePitts]

What is your engine? My Superformance has a Roush 427, carbureted, and it has a rev limiter. I would be surprised if any Superformance had any engine without a rev limiter!

[@joa_motorsports]

Windsor 351Stroker to 427 Blow up is because too much high revs because the shift light and the rev limiter doesn't work at the good rpm range sadly

[@redbarchetta8782]

Stroker engines also put much more load on bearings. So it's even more critical to keep the revs in check.

[@joa_motorsports]

@@redbarchetta8782 Yes exactly ... problem here is that the shift light set up and real rpm doesn't match so we have much more rpm than expected and we blow the engine

[@HopLowHops]

Didn’t sound like he was running that hard. I run mine a lot harder than that, and I’ve never had any issues.

[@tomfindlay853]

Serious torque

[@2nickles647]

If the oil pressure is that critical, why not move it where you can see it better? And make sure the rev limiter works. But a cool sounding car.

[@presley881]

When she goes she goes, when she blows she blows!

[@54Rocketeer]

He wasn't pushing it too much looked like a Sunday jaunt

[@joa_motorsports]

@@54Rocketeer yes this is my 1st run of the charity week-end rally

[@cmiimages]

And the saying is that there's no substitute for cubic inches? Also I cant believe the huge amounts of steering wheel lock required to turn the old tub around corners.

[@jeffmerklinger9067]

What does that yellow light mean? …. 🤯

[@zackjay71]

Sounded like drive shaft issues

[@snowcrest7863]

Do not blame Ford….. Blame the person who built the engine, or the person who maintains the engine.

[@billcrowell6911]

That sounded expensive! 😢

[@joa_motorsports]

Yes 🥲😬

[@JoeyJordan-b6k]

Engine sounded lil rough to start with 😎

[@clintkeenan4657]

Now that's a Ford

[@chrisharrison8941]

orange light on the dash for a reason boys

[@maggiemay427]

That sounded expensive. Memo to self. DO NOT IGNORE THE BIG ORANGE OIL WARNING LIGHT.

[@commdhab]

C'est le bloc d'origine ? C'est dommage , parce que c'est des moteurs increvables les Big bloc .

[@joa_motorsports]

@@commdhab oui c'était le moteur qu'il y avait d'origine quand on acheté la voiture Un 351 Windsor stroké en 427

[@White.Elemant]

I guess the yellow light didn't mean "keep revving higher"?

[@bobsmoot8454]

Very cool

[@matticusrenwood]

I was REALLY enjoying those engine sounds before the engine decided it had enough of life

[@petermuller161]

It’s a pretty respectable way to blow a motor

[@dalewarriorofthesea3998]

Definitely a assembly tolerance issue Motor wasn't working hard They dont just fail

[@fasteddie5314]

Shift indicator light was on solid for quite a while before it grenaded. Sounds like a rod let go....ouch

[@joa_motorsports]

@@fasteddie5314 shift light has a wrong set up He doesn't match what he need to do and the rev limiter not working too... so we blow engine ... But on this run i'm not so hard with the car because it's my first run of the day behind the wheel

[@mfree80286]

@@joa_motorsports You can just see the root of the tach needle when it goes, not more than 6500RPM and likely less. Also watched the oil pressure remain relatively steady but what I assume is oil temp (far left) was beginning to take a precipitous climb. EDIT: You also kept oil pressure, which tells me if a rod broke, it likely did so in the middle.

[@joa_motorsports]

@@mfree80286 yes the rod broke and let the engine by the sump and do a 4" hole Nothing to save engine is dead... all is twisted

[@RomainSch999]

Then it's to LS swap it, for reliability 😄 just kidding, I hope you will be able to find a replacement block soon a be ready for spring.

[@joa_motorsports]

we go with Dart 427 forged

[@cs1-p5e]

an LS swap would be a perfect choice, honestly.

[@g00dl00kinb0i]

When a perfect afternoon turns sour....quite sad to hear the block go, not to mention the financial hit to the owner of this legendary classic. Finding a replacement 427ci is going to be an adventure in that green bs obsessed EU.

[@BigRick50]

That's what happens when you ignore your shift light I guess.

[@joa_motorsports]

@@BigRick50 this is what happen when rev limiter doesn't work and when your shift light is set 1000rpm too high

[@DashCamSerbia]

​@@joa_motorsports Why not drive by rev counter?

[@joa_motorsports]

@@DashCamSerbia this is why we blow engine ... rev counter and real rpm doesn't match so when we are at 5500 rpm on the rev counter, the real rpm is 6600-6700 and we don't know this since we have the car ( almost 5 years ) ... but now we know 🥲

[@DashCamSerbia]

@joa_motorsports Oh, crap. :/

[@fabrom4428]

@@joa_motorsports Ouch.. nasty way to find out. Sorry about it!

[@davidepperson2376]

At 2:23 sounds like he’s lugging it maybe - maybe shoulda downshifted?

[@helpful5539]

He was doing quite a bit of near lugging. If this thing blew from a couple of seconds of 6000 it was a piece of junk

[@jimbiddlecome13]

@@helpful5539 yep and yep

[@yournamehere6365]

My grandmother could drive that good and she's blind!

[@joa_motorsports]

@@yournamehere6365 happy for you and your grandmother 😉👍

[@RB-sy9gb]

Sounds like the driveshaft came apart

[@joa_motorsports]

no... a rod left the engine by the sump and do a 4" hole in it .... engine is destroyed

[@scottyjones27]

She is a brut !!

[@jamesgreaves5058]

Rpm too high Get a honda s2000.

[@joa_motorsports]

🤣👍

[@jamesweston3679]

If that motor grenaded that easily....I'd SERIOUSLY get after whomever built it. You wernt even leaning on that motor at all. And on the oil issue....baffles and an external reservoir can help eliminate that. We run em on the offroad race trucks.

[@Baysidebangerz]

Big block engines cant rev that high ..the shift light was on the whole time and thats probably set a 4,500 or so

[@RadfahrerProductions]

A Cobra with automatic transmission is strongly recommended. A better positioned shift strobe might also help. ;-)

[@bunning63]

?

[@timcvetic5054]

Sarcasm

[@bravofoxable]

What an explosion!!!! .... OMG OMG OMG, must've removed the whole front chassis!!!! .... OMG OMG OMG some pieces shot right through the fenders as well !!!! .... OMG OMG OMG OMG .... yeah 🤦‍♂

[@joa_motorsports]

@@bravofoxable yeah... there is a 4" hole in the sump... engine is dead

[@teslamodhammer]

Must’ve just been her time to let go

[@Doc-n7u]

That bright yellow light was to warn of low oil pressure

[@thephilpott2194]

Nope. Lights up at a preset RPM to prompt you to change up. Check the gauges.

[@davebennett4087]

Should be covered under warranty…………

[@ElwoodBlinken]

Too bad, but this was definitely NOT the car for this type of course. This was bound to happen.

[@richardgash2349]

easy too hear the problem half way up the hill shoul of stopped at once instead of trashing the car

[@herbieschwartz9246]

That's the best sounding Tesla I have ever heard.

[@kurtbilinski1723]

I've personally heard that sound before. That's what $$,$$$ disappearing sounds like... :(

[@bbb462cid]

Suddenly my 1966 Sting Ray with no oil pressure at idle seems minor. Cue the online mechanics. Yes it's the original mechanical gauge yes I installed a brand new aftermarket non-repro mechanical gauge and had the same result no it's no burning oil and it's not low on oil and I use the right oil and no I won't just put 15w-50 in it. I didn't come here for a diagnosis put your Crystal balls away It's worn out main bearings, don't quit your day jobs.

[@stevoschannel4127]

Hes basically out of gas with that gauge where it is…

[@elijahinky]

Lubrication issue

[@mashimaru4134]

This car is as fragile as US economy gonna be after orange man's win

[@sonnywarren]

No Bueno 😢

[@windlinewatersports]

Rich people lol

[@rafaellastracom6411]

The driver has more money than sense.

[@joa_motorsports]

@@rafaellastracom6411 your comment has more jealousy than sense 🥲

[@nebrrex6910]

Sounded like a small block chevy to me. Ran like one too.

[@joa_motorsports]

@@nebrrex6910 351 Windsor stroked in 427

[@williepotts2185]

Needs a Chevy motor! Cut your time and weight and get more power.

[@alessandrosgreccia420]

😢😢😢

[@joa_motorsports]

@@alessandrosgreccia420 she will be back next year with a new forged heart 😉👍

[@alessandrosgreccia420]

@ très bonne nouvelle ! Hâte de voir une nouvelle vidéo 😀

[@johnevans1969]

Bummer, $$$$$

[@jsl6488]

Millis

[@Wheelieking69.]

Sack Ron blur

[@muley180]

Obviously a fake Cobra so no great loss.

[@manfirebirdF350]

😆

[@qmana1507]

That gotta suck!

[@blakewilliams9642]

that sucks

[@kevinmccorkle7476]

$$$$$$$.....😢

[@joa_motorsports]

Yes ... 🥲

[@ChevySS1968]

LOL, whatta piece of junk. Sounded awful and looked like it handled awful too.

[@RT3319]

I'm certainly no expert, but I have heard that the 427 Cobra is an incredibly difficult and frightening beast to drive fast......

[@helpful5539]

I agree. Mostly just a legacy. But nothing special in handling or power. Only for it's time maybe

[@cs1-p5e]

with that username and avatar, that guy has to be some dumb american who hates on everything that isnt his favorite brand :)

[@ericeller9165]

Ford 🤷

[@JamesAbbott-q2y]

Junk

[@MC-bh8ph]

I never understood the gloves especially when you see people sim racing with them. Does that serve any purpose besides geting to pretend youre mario andretti?

[@joa_motorsports]

@@MC-bh8ph maybe because when you drive "fast" you sweat and you don't want lose the grip on your steering wheel...

[@VirtualGuth]

Driving gloves made sense in the days when cars featuring wooden steering wheels (like the Cobra in this video). They prevent the wheel from slipping should your hands get sweaty. Leather-wrapped steering wheels solved this problem.

[@Imnotplayinganymore]

@@joa_motorsports Diplomatic reply to a not so nice person. Kudos.

[@rickprice6312]

Gloves are fire proof. Worst comes to worst, your hands get you out of the car. Can't speak to sim racers though. I was struck by the passenger not wearing any safety gear other than a helmet. Hardly wise considering how quickly things can go wrong on a hill climb.

[@anonymousplanetfambly4598]

@@rickprice6312 No roll bar on the passenger side either...helmets don't help much when you're holding up the weight of an automobile with your head after a rollover.

[@mattcat234]

2:26 you're welcome

[@peterkennedy5596]

O wait I’m I supposed to feel bad?? Fools.

[@weshilton6862]

Why no stutter box? You can’t run out of oil or overrev a big block. They don’t like it! Spring for a modern ignition box and save your fifty plus year old motor.

[@davidklauer3422]

Oops

[@ВахапетВахапетович]

Мотор то оказался полным дерьмом.