*Ronnie Coleman 2003* vs *Phil Heath 2013*

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@MikeG82
@MikeG82 4 жыл бұрын
dexter stood on stage with almost everybody he said people would be in shock when ronnie undressed, i don't know how anybody can argue with a guy like dexter he saw them live in person with his own two eyes, so pictures don't tell the whole story and even looking at the pics ronnie is the clear winner
@jeffreylavergne3090
@jeffreylavergne3090 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa your or my opinion dont matter ! If you prefer 98-99 then you do however its what the judges where looking for . In 2003 era theres no way 1998-99 ronnie would stand a chance because the judges would give it to 2003 Ron . Even jay would place ahead of 98-99 Ron in 2003 . A 98-99 Ron would stand a better chance today of winning now that the judges are steering back towards streamlining the physiques ...
@MikeG82
@MikeG82 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa you didn't notice is said "ALMOST EVERYBODY"? DeLusionpopa
@MikeG82
@MikeG82 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreylavergne3090 2003 ronnie would beat everybody, but no way any version of jay would beat 98 99 ronnie, it's not like jay suddenly had a comparable back or way anywhere near as peeled as ronnie those years jay barely beat a broken down ronnie in 2006 yet you think he would beat ronnie at arguably his best?
@jeffreylavergne3090
@jeffreylavergne3090 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeG82 you didnt hear what I said .. I agree with you 100% but it's not what you think or me it's the judges ! They wanted size over quality . But I imagine 99 ron would be close he was much bigger than 98 even though I prefer 98
@scottish__beard8856
@scottish__beard8856 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreylavergne3090 99 was fantastic, he was about 10lbs heavier than 98! 247ish in 98 and 257lbs in 99 but wasn't as conditioned!
@aradina6432
@aradina6432 3 жыл бұрын
I notice a pattern here with the third year in the decade. 1973: One of the best physiques of Arnold ever and also the most shredded one. 1983: Insanely good Samir Bannout 1993: Arguably the best physique of Dorian Yates 2003: Arguably the best Ron ever 2013: Arguably the best physique of Phil Heath What's in store for 2023? Maybe Ramy comes in with lat insertions and hard grainy conditioning?
@karimtemri1664
@karimtemri1664 2 жыл бұрын
Hehehhehe
@Geckoliga
@Geckoliga 2 жыл бұрын
Cool 👍
@cheech_cheech
@cheech_cheech 2 жыл бұрын
exactly what I was thinking about too
@RoaringJaguar
@RoaringJaguar 2 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome you’re actually right!
@ShayanGivehchian
@ShayanGivehchian 2 жыл бұрын
This didn't age well
@markpetela5286
@markpetela5286 4 жыл бұрын
Phil's 3d muscles are crazy his detail and fullness is unmatched
@codyfreeman9930
@codyfreeman9930 2 жыл бұрын
All the peptides
@Terminator18581
@Terminator18581 2 жыл бұрын
:))
@jjjyli686
@jjjyli686 2 жыл бұрын
Muscle definition phil wins but the size and definition together on ronnies back blows everybody out the water. 2011 phil was cut to the bone
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. it really comes down to a matter of preference I believe at this level. I personally find the round muscle bellies of PH more aesthetically pleasing. I also think PH's narrow waist/v taper is an advantage too. That being said, judging criteria on any particular year is another matter. Some years they seem to look for mass others they seem to look for Aesthetics. I suppose it can be argued that Ronnie was the more complete package... but again.. preference!
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@Devineintention
@Devineintention Жыл бұрын
2003 Ronnie is the pinnacle of bodybuilding. It doesn’t get better than that.
@Sanal-gu7li
@Sanal-gu7li Жыл бұрын
These ugly monsters are pinnacles😂
@Sanal-gu7li
@Sanal-gu7li Жыл бұрын
@@hellotcautiver why do u like this asshole kind of physique
@delacroixii
@delacroixii Жыл бұрын
Wrong.
@DanM-pw9nl
@DanM-pw9nl Жыл бұрын
09 Cutler, 02 ruhl
@zadd596
@zadd596 8 ай бұрын
Yeah. Also the bubble gut
@georgehav650
@georgehav650 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly like Phil better. He's more aesthetically more pleasing to look at
@benjaminli3808
@benjaminli3808 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too, although i think Ronnie would win from an objective standpoint
@juanaguirre6153
@juanaguirre6153 3 жыл бұрын
No
@Imperialbbuilding
@Imperialbbuilding 3 жыл бұрын
@@juanaguirre6153 yes
@Baba24M
@Baba24M 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminli3808 Ronnie 1999?
@9999-k9q
@9999-k9q 3 жыл бұрын
Bodybuilding isnt a beauty competition. Its about muscular development and leanness. Ronnie is another level.
@jacobbrassard2776
@jacobbrassard2776 4 жыл бұрын
If they were on stage together I thing kit would be Ronnie all the way. Phill would look too narrow. Ronnie would make phill look like his kid.
@jacobbrassard2776
@jacobbrassard2776 4 жыл бұрын
@Pro life only Phill is also a mommy so whats your point.
@davidkosiba624
@davidkosiba624 4 жыл бұрын
@@jacobbrassard2776 Yes, but not the 2013 version, I would rather look like Phil even like 2018 version than Ronnie, Ronnie's midsection is disgusting for me, I don't care if his back is the best in the history
@absarhassan8053
@absarhassan8053 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidkosiba624 what you think does not matter! Think from a bodybuilding judge's perspective and you'll realise who is the real winner. Granted, Ronnie's mid-section is not good looking.
@lukaszk454
@lukaszk454 4 жыл бұрын
but look at this comparison, the scaling is very good and Phil doesn't look like Ronnie's kid
@voss9933
@voss9933 4 жыл бұрын
@@lukaszk454 ronnie was a good 40lbs heavier then phil, and these pictures dont do a great job showing that, to put in perspective, big ramy is about the same weight as ronnie in 2020 (in worse condition) and you can see just how big ramy looked next to phil
@ValentinoValenti
@ValentinoValenti 4 жыл бұрын
Pictures don't do a good Justice seeing them in person is what really makes it if you saw a Rony in person next to Phil you wouldn't even question Ronnie's dominance
@laurikotivuori1585
@laurikotivuori1585 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie's 3D beach ball gut would indeed look majestic in real life. He would win as well due to the lacking judging criteria that doesn't count aesthetics in at all
@laurikotivuori1585
@laurikotivuori1585 4 жыл бұрын
Then again, it's not Ronnies mistake that the judges reward size more than aesthetics
@tyronejones4245
@tyronejones4245 4 жыл бұрын
@70mMyWi53 Pretty sure no one has even mentioned personality. The point is that Ronnie would dwarf him if you saw them next to each other in person.
@tyronejones4245
@tyronejones4245 4 жыл бұрын
@@laurikotivuori1585 Phil's gut is at least as bad so that's a moot point.
@laurikotivuori1585
@laurikotivuori1585 4 жыл бұрын
@@tyronejones4245 Not in 2013 which just "happens" to be the comparison in this video
@jagsl123
@jagsl123 4 жыл бұрын
Phil had actually admitted he would not have a chance against Coleman. Although not the prettiest, Coleman had a certain thick dense look to his muscles that is very hard to beat
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr 2 жыл бұрын
Dorian with smashed both these guys I can't believe they put Coleman on a pedestal like they do Dorian never lost him never he never would have had he not retired
@DatNguyen-hx6rb
@DatNguyen-hx6rb 2 жыл бұрын
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr lol dorian no arms
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr 2 жыл бұрын
@@DatNguyen-hx6rb yet somehow nine and zero versus Ronnie Coleman Wonder how that happened because Dorian's the better bodybuilder vastly superior conditioning just as big The greatest back in the history of the universe better triceps than Ronnie when you want to talk about arms Ronnie basically had no triceps no abs Ronnie Coleman severely overrated
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@delacroixii
@delacroixii Жыл бұрын
Nope.
@konev13thebeast
@konev13thebeast 4 жыл бұрын
Phil definitely has the back poses. Ronnies back isnt as conditioned, especially shows in the lat spread
@KinqK00pa
@KinqK00pa 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q8kIuta7ath5I. I completely disagree
@dj_m19
@dj_m19 3 жыл бұрын
@@KinqK00pa fanboy
@KinqK00pa
@KinqK00pa 3 жыл бұрын
@@dj_m19 you say they like it’s an insult you fruit cake
@romellwatson4853
@romellwatson4853 3 жыл бұрын
What???? 👎🏾 Ronnie back was way more conditioned than Phil’s.
@konev13thebeast
@konev13thebeast 3 жыл бұрын
6:39 Phil heath clearly has more definition.
@pete6705
@pete6705 Жыл бұрын
Phil is an amazing elite bodybuilder. Ronnie is a monster
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@stevenneese2823
@stevenneese2823 Жыл бұрын
A god vs a titan
@edmundgutierrez7821
@edmundgutierrez7821 2 жыл бұрын
Really took Phil's physique for granted would like to see him on Olympia stage in 23
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@uoiuo
@uoiuo Жыл бұрын
Guys in the last few years are a joke cmpared to prime Phill
@autismwalk6855
@autismwalk6855 4 жыл бұрын
Coleman all the way, man!
@clenbuterol4989
@clenbuterol4989 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@tiromandal6399
@tiromandal6399 2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@codyfreeman9930
@codyfreeman9930 2 жыл бұрын
Pics r not sized correctly. Doesn’t show how much bigger Ronnie really is. You could fit Phil in Ronnie’s shoulder. But the pics n symmetry make Phil’s shoulders look bigger when if on same stage they r not bigger
@Asiansxsymbol
@Asiansxsymbol 2 жыл бұрын
If they stood next to each other on stage, Ronnie would dwarf Phil. But Phil's structure is more pleasing.
@ferminordonez4275
@ferminordonez4275 2 жыл бұрын
@@Asiansxsymbol 😂
@wewewewewewewew2076
@wewewewewewewew2076 4 жыл бұрын
bodybuilding channels always say that ronnies back is softer than phils but its just skincolour and lighting in my opinion. they both hard af from the back
@JohnSmith-eo2yx
@JohnSmith-eo2yx 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's the vascularity. Phil does look drier in the mid back. I agree there's no way it's a big difference based on other body parts but I think Phil's back does look tighter and cleaner.
@ShadowDancerr
@ShadowDancerr 4 жыл бұрын
Yep there is a big difference in lighting
@dj_m19
@dj_m19 3 жыл бұрын
well not really, the lighting doesn't decide and pick between muscle groups. at 6:40 you can see the difference between Coleman's glutes and hamstrings and his upper body. Look at his back, it is much smoother and obviously holds water retention. Phil is dry ALL OVER, his lower back is much more conditioned than Ronnie's and his traps are visible from top to bottom.
@hrishikeshnath1013
@hrishikeshnath1013 4 жыл бұрын
You always hated ronnie coleman....GOAT
@joshwaterman5526
@joshwaterman5526 3 жыл бұрын
He just doesn’t look great though. Hes an amazing body builder no doubt but he doesn’t flow very well compared to so many others which is a very important thing in bodybuilding. It’s not all about size and muscle separation. You gotta have a good flow from top to bottom. His mid section seems almost to big for the rest of his body.
@manuelazinger9983
@manuelazinger9983 11 ай бұрын
8× Mr.O
@EricM_305
@EricM_305 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie's abs here are atrocious
@ArMiNiSfUCkinRedicK
@ArMiNiSfUCkinRedicK 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnies everything is is stupendous and goat like...but yes lets harp on gut distention lol
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArMiNiSfUCkinRedicK Sorry but a huge gut throws the entire physique off. 2004 was even worse, it stuck out further than his chest.
@BatmanBoss
@BatmanBoss 4 жыл бұрын
That version of a Ronnie is unbeatable
@danishshamsi5228
@danishshamsi5228 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa Ronnie is too big
@danishshamsi5228
@danishshamsi5228 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa I do like 98/99 Ronnie but 03 Ronnie was too much for anyone...
@danishshamsi5228
@danishshamsi5228 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa when cutler says 03 Ronnie was too much...
@alexworm1707
@alexworm1707 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if he was just a tad bit more conditioned and with a tighter midsection, it would be ridiculous
@nextgengaming074
@nextgengaming074 4 жыл бұрын
Phil 13 beated 03 Coleman
@Jadestonk
@Jadestonk 3 жыл бұрын
Phill got him. Roonie has better structure which plays well in most of poses but Phil is 2013 is just a pleasure to look at, take a look 1:18 & 1:30.. it's just insane
@mohamedmabrouk4183
@mohamedmabrouk4183 2 жыл бұрын
What about the camera angle look for a good pics for colmem 2003 from the back his unstoppable
@marcusj97
@marcusj97 Жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd have to defend ronnie coleman..lol. If you take away phils delts and arms (they are huge but oversized) what do you have? Ronnie is the total package of size, conditioning, and genetics.
@Mr.unknown_91
@Mr.unknown_91 Жыл бұрын
Yeah his back legs and abs
@segaGenesis24
@segaGenesis24 5 ай бұрын
If you take away penis from my grandpa he'd be my grandma
@MrKowalskyfication
@MrKowalskyfication 4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone agrees that Phil has the better back poses! His lower back tie in is just on another level.
@millionbahlibi6078
@millionbahlibi6078 3 жыл бұрын
if they stood side to side, Ronnie would dwarf Phill cause of phill's narrow structure in the lat spread. dennis wold was litteraly twice as wide as phill . phill would get his ass kicked so hard by ronnie in the lat structure, no question.
@ferminordonez4275
@ferminordonez4275 2 жыл бұрын
@@millionbahlibi6078 😂😂😂
@millionbahlibi6078
@millionbahlibi6078 2 жыл бұрын
@@ferminordonez4275 you guys just fans of phill which is fine. But it’s too obvious if they both stepped on stage in their prime, there’s no way he would beat Ronnie. Ronnie was 50 pounds heavier and just as lean. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand
@ferminordonez4275
@ferminordonez4275 2 жыл бұрын
@@millionbahlibi6078 Yeah, sure, fanboy...
@NeonAnimeDreams
@NeonAnimeDreams 2 жыл бұрын
Yea Phil was damn near Dorian when it came to back
@naturalbreed3745
@naturalbreed3745 4 жыл бұрын
No way Phil Side chest better than ronnie, Ronnie rear lats better too.
@incarser101
@incarser101 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is a sloppy mess you deluded like everyone with biggerexia
@Leggn0
@Leggn0 4 жыл бұрын
Nah mate Ronnie wins but not in these poses
@ArMiNiSfUCkinRedicK
@ArMiNiSfUCkinRedicK 4 жыл бұрын
@@incarser101 yeh lets act like ronnie conditioning isnt insane...u dont know jack shit about judging dunce....find me someone with the insane vascularity and detail ronnie had while maintaining proper mass and struture.....we really gonna harp on gut distention...PHIL HAD IT TO IN HIS CAREER....DORIAN HAD IT to ....CUTLER HAD IT TO...all the greats have....lame educate urself.... "But arnold, but lee haney" BOY THOSE WERE BEFORE THE MASS era learn ur bodybuilding...they had no competition unlike these boys today
@medicinein3mins480
@medicinein3mins480 4 жыл бұрын
@@incarser101 Ronnie was flatlinning everyone from the back, and you say Ronnie was a mess? What drugs are u on?
@medicinein3mins480
@medicinein3mins480 4 жыл бұрын
@Pro life only Ronnie never had too condition? Dude had glute striations. Dorian nvr did. If not for Coleman, glutes striations were not an indicator for conditioning. Just gfoh
@FatherSonHolySpiritAmen.
@FatherSonHolySpiritAmen. 4 жыл бұрын
That clavicle on Coleman, is just too much for Phil..
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
That collar bone? That is what you're referring to right. That is very weird!
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to apologize now. I think I've realized what you mean and you're right. The smaller clavicle so to speak, causes a smaller narrower pec muscle as well as chest width in general. You're absolutely right. I apologize, assuming this is what you meant
@stevegeorge6880
@stevegeorge6880 3 жыл бұрын
Coleman brought the better package, but Phil is killing him with the presentation.
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@Leggn0
@Leggn0 4 жыл бұрын
6:20 is Ronnie all day
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
Phil all the way here. It's ridiculous the judges never punished Ronnie when his GUT declared it's independence. They had no problem punishing Phil for it.
@mohamedmabrouk4183
@mohamedmabrouk4183 2 жыл бұрын
Phil has a gut in 2013
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedmabrouk4183 invest in your reading comprehension!
@TheForbiddenLean
@TheForbiddenLean 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedmabrouk4183 Only as much as anybody else that big has a gut. His abs are big, he does not have a gut. Ronnie on the other hand did have a gut, a ripped gut, but nonetheless a gut. Saying Phil had a gut in 2013 is like saying Roelly Winklaar had a gut in 2018.
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@pwr27986
@pwr27986 4 жыл бұрын
The thing that's hard to compare is having them stand next to each other on stage. Coleman's size would be even more dominant.
@joshwaterman5526
@joshwaterman5526 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a shape vs size battle. Depends what the judges prefer that day I guess.
@dj_m19
@dj_m19 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshwaterman5526 shape AND conditioning. Ronnie did get bigger between 2002-2003 but he also sacrificed conditioning for more mass (aka not dieting as much as he did previously) and that is easily seen in the mid section, quads and the back. Look at his back in the rear lat spread, it obviously holds a lot of water retention and doesn't look nowhere near as conditioned or dry as his glutes and hamstrings.
@clenbuterol4989
@clenbuterol4989 3 жыл бұрын
@@dj_m19 Lol Coleman more water and flat Olympia Dorian in Grand prix 1996 was more better.All love Coleman becouse he can't walk and Phil is billionaire
@scerkann3966
@scerkann3966 3 жыл бұрын
@@clenbuterol4989 there are rumors that Phil is broke lol
@clenbuterol4989
@clenbuterol4989 3 жыл бұрын
@@scerkann3966 What means broke?
@CHARLTON2015
@CHARLTON2015 4 жыл бұрын
I never liked 2003 ronnie. His midsection was an absolute mess and his wait was massive. Ugly physique imo. I liked 98,99 way better.
@itsmeyourfriend1
@itsmeyourfriend1 9 ай бұрын
Ronnie can't be repeated , only in the next generations . He is unique. He definitely will beat Phil heath .
@joefrederick6471
@joefrederick6471 Жыл бұрын
What many people miss is that Ronnie’s rear lat spread isn’t done very well and it still is impressive with slabs of muscle everywhere even showing on his upper trap area. If you flare out like that vs the traditional rolling your shoulder blades in towards the front there is a distinct difference in how wide you look with the flaring toward the front giving you a much wider look. It is scary to think how Ronnie’s rear lat spread would have looked if done say like Phil’s. He would have probably had one of the best rear lat spreads of all time even challenging Dorians.
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 Жыл бұрын
I've seen a few pics where he hits it properly, and yes it's ridiculous
@sackychin6267
@sackychin6267 Жыл бұрын
Similar in the back double. Phil leans back super far to appear wider, while Ronnie is almost upright.
@greengoblin9567
@greengoblin9567 Жыл бұрын
Ronnie Coleman 1999 was better conditioned and better at all the poses.
@ivantheboy5374
@ivantheboy5374 3 жыл бұрын
I think if Phil has wider clavicles and a wider frame, he would've been unstoppable even against the king himself
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
Umm... I'm not sure you know what the clavicle is! You are referring to his collarbone? I've never heard of a bodybuilder suffering because his collarbone wasn't developed enough 😳?
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to apologize now. I think I've realized what you mean and you're right. The smaller clavicle so to speak, causes a smaller narrower pec muscle as well as chest width in general. You're absolutely right. I apologize, assuming this is what you meant
@raindoset5408
@raindoset5408 Жыл бұрын
@@jacal420 the wider the clavicle the wider your shoulder will be and this contribute to the v taper(wide shoulders with popping lats and small waist)
@SwoleTony13
@SwoleTony13 Жыл бұрын
I agree, that is Phil's only real weakness. Would be almost the perfect physique
@stevewandaful
@stevewandaful 11 ай бұрын
If Ronnie had a 34 inch waist he'd be unbeatable. Oh yeah, he was anyway?
@billymimnaugh3998
@billymimnaugh3998 Жыл бұрын
This guy is nuts .Ronnie’s side chest kills Heath .Ronnie’s back crushes Phil to the back .Much bigger , much thicker , much more slabs , much more separation.This guy is nuts .NOT ONE top bodybuilder ever says Heath could beat Ronnie
@davidkosiba624
@davidkosiba624 4 жыл бұрын
In my eyes, nobody deserve to win an Olympia with a midsection like Ronnie's, I don't care how good the other parts are
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@ravindersinghbura9918
@ravindersinghbura9918 Жыл бұрын
Your eyes doesn’t matter lmao
@davidkosiba624
@davidkosiba624 Жыл бұрын
@@ravindersinghbura9918 You really replied to a 3 year old comment lol
@Logicalmate
@Logicalmate 4 жыл бұрын
I stand by you. This comparison was very fair and i will always take Phil heath 2013 vs Ronnie 2003. Although 1999 would have been a different story.
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@stefanosprokopis6974
@stefanosprokopis6974 4 жыл бұрын
You don't know what you're talking about. Heath is tighter and more well put together
@9999-k9q
@9999-k9q 3 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is double phils size🤣
@stefanosprokopis6974
@stefanosprokopis6974 3 жыл бұрын
@@9999-k9q he is not twice the size. If he was his biceps would be almost 50 inches.
@9999-k9q
@9999-k9q 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanosprokopis6974 Its not literal dumbass.
@loganslocum4799
@loganslocum4799 Жыл бұрын
I believe Phil 2010-2013 is the greatest bodybuilder of all time
@OsirisDiamonds
@OsirisDiamonds 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say you had me rolling with the jokes. Great channel.
@geoundead9268
@geoundead9268 4 жыл бұрын
These 2 physiques are the best ever by bodybuilding standars....if every mr o physique steeped on stage at the same time... 2003 Ronnie would win and 2013 Phil would be second
@Srbenda126
@Srbenda126 4 жыл бұрын
Prime Yates beats prime Phil, and maybe prime Jay, it is debatable
@geoundead9268
@geoundead9268 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa Dorian ....Does...NOT.....beat Ronnie dude....no way its close against phil but he doesnt beat ronnie.....coleman is bigger and close condition....compare them side by side and you will see.
@geoundead9268
@geoundead9268 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa Dont fool your self dude...the main criteria is mass and conditioning....ronnie wina in mass by a long shot and dorian has slighly better conditioning.....hams and glutes there isnt even a comparison and eveb in the back Ronnie is way bigher....dorian would have looked small and flat next to Ronnie bro.
@geoundead9268
@geoundead9268 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa The judges never seemed to care about the waistline and if its bloated or not so this wouldnt matter...and they put their emphasise mostly in mass....ronnie wouls smoke him in the ham glute area and propably wouls take the back lat spread as well cuz of that and cuz of the extra mass and fullness..i think Phil from 2013 or 2011 coyls beat 1995 dorian as well but it would have been closer.
@geoundead9268
@geoundead9268 4 жыл бұрын
@TheLusianPopa How can you fucking compare ramy to ronnei...ramy is way smotther than ronnei and doesnt have as good of a back and more others...if u dont believe me about what i said about ronnei...go listen to some other bodybuilding youtubers or compititiors on youtube that know about bodybuilding (and basically say what im saying)...and learn from them.....Tormn8er is a good one...go learn from him.u really dont know about bodybuilding bro no offense.
@ValentinoValenti
@ValentinoValenti 4 жыл бұрын
Phil's hips are farther ahead then his back he's flexing his back in both directions were Ronnie's only flexing in One fron right to left. . phil with his hips ahead of his midline is flexing from front to back and side to side .if ronnoe was flexing in directions you would see the same type of detail
@hitmanx200
@hitmanx200 4 жыл бұрын
Not only that but alot of the photos of ronnie are at a 30 degree angle
@timsullivan7940
@timsullivan7940 3 жыл бұрын
I think Phil has a more aesthetic build, but Ronnie's mass is just unbeatable. I HATE his midsection...I wish more than anything they could figure a way to get back to tiny waists, but I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon.
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@joshwaterman5526
@joshwaterman5526 3 жыл бұрын
Ronnie’s back when he does the rear lat spread doesn’t match the rest of his body. I don’t get why people argue this. Phil’s conditioning goes throughout his whole body and your right Ronnie’s back does look soft compared to his legs and arms. Never realized it really until watching this
@ptrgr72
@ptrgr72 2 жыл бұрын
The lightning was also kind of bad
@nanasetiana2689
@nanasetiana2689 2 жыл бұрын
Those two lateral spread are "different pose". different style of lateral spread.. Ronnie style show monster massiveness. Phil style show definition..
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@2kpurp879
@2kpurp879 Жыл бұрын
I was right with you on this , man 🔥😂
@machia7166
@machia7166 4 жыл бұрын
Your voice is very soothing, you should start a podcast.
@tomkruze2749
@tomkruze2749 2 жыл бұрын
Stop! Just STOP! Put them on the Same Stage. Ronnie would Dwarf Phil. In Body Building “Bigger is Better”
@lukatabak2800
@lukatabak2800 4 ай бұрын
phil is like an upgraded kevin levrone
@SuryaGD
@SuryaGD 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie would just be 'a conditioned big ramy' for phil in my opinion
@ramesg7657
@ramesg7657 4 жыл бұрын
Symmetry round - Ronnie Coleman Fdb - RC Fls - RC SC - RC ST- PH Bls- RC BDB - Draw A&T - Draw MM - PH (throwing a bone here ) RC wins
@derderdeinemutterfickt4936
@derderdeinemutterfickt4936 4 жыл бұрын
Bdb to ronnie
@kingryuga9710
@kingryuga9710 4 жыл бұрын
I would say Side chest phil in that paticular photo comparison.
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
Phil wins the side chest. Better conditioning in the arms, chest and legs., Plus he's executing the pose way better.
@giovannyc3886
@giovannyc3886 4 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna get hate but I "Phil" that Heath is better he has a far more pleasing physique and proportions with paper thin skin. Take away the fact that he's so narrow and he would be pretty close to perfection.
@wowthatsawesome2762
@wowthatsawesome2762 Жыл бұрын
I think Phil looks more symmetrical and has better conditioning. Despite giving up some size he has enough to win
@Michaelburlyo
@Michaelburlyo 2 жыл бұрын
Phil is so much more aesthetic and round and a better representation for mens open bodybuilding! I don’t even think it’s close but I know alot of folks think otherwise just cuz of Ronnie’s unparalleled muscle mass! I think there’s more to it than that! That’s just my humble opinion though!
@sineptseggib3513
@sineptseggib3513 4 жыл бұрын
For me there is no pose where phil is clearly better than ronnie I think you could make an argument for ronnie in every pose in which is phil winning in your eyes And in the poses where ronnie is winning its clear as glass
@saragora3331
@saragora3331 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie had a unique body. Even when he was in bad shape he would smoke his opponents.
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr 2 жыл бұрын
Never smoked Dorian Yates Yates was nine and Zero versus Ronnie Coleman Dorian is the 🐐
@ravindersinghbura9918
@ravindersinghbura9918 Жыл бұрын
@@BruceWayne-ri4wrlmao dorian aint shit in front of ronnie . Ronnie smokes dorian in arms , quads , hamstrings , glutes , back , chest everything
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr Жыл бұрын
@@ravindersinghbura9918 Dorian was 9 and 0 versus Ronnie Coleman the best Coleman ever finished when Dorian was in a show was fifth so don't give me this crap and Ronnie Coleman looked the same in '96 and '97 as he did when he won the Olympia and he couldn't touch Yates
@mikthe2004
@mikthe2004 4 жыл бұрын
In almost every photo of Ronnie he has distracting background. Almost all of Phil's photos have a plain dark background which makes him stand out better. I expected Ronnie to blow Phil away, but I'm surprised at how thick and full Phil looks. For me Phil's worst "pose" is standing relaxed - truly relaxed, not flexing like he is at 0:40. He looks really narrow and soft, and - dare I say it - small - when truly relaxed. When he poses all hell breaks loose. On these photos alone Phil could win? His quality is better. You'd need to see this comparison on stage and in person. I don't think it's as cut and dried as most people are making out??
@Skeme369
@Skeme369 17 күн бұрын
There's Mr Olympia then there's Ronnie Coleman.
@shot4shot13
@shot4shot13 4 жыл бұрын
You nailed it. The 90s fans will be butt hurt. 💪🥇
@elmeroranchero
@elmeroranchero 4 жыл бұрын
Phil has more aesthetic look but Coleman wins if you look at individual muscle groups
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@god985
@god985 4 жыл бұрын
No way Phil wins the back lat spread 😂
@jacobbrassard2776
@jacobbrassard2776 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is way wider. If you saw then on stage together Phil would be dwarfed
@sunildevs4485
@sunildevs4485 4 жыл бұрын
@@jacobbrassard2776 phils back is way more detailed than ronnie's in back lat spread.... look at all those details in phil's back. Ronnie is wider but phil shows way more separations
@billgoldberg9347
@billgoldberg9347 4 жыл бұрын
A good back of a man is almost always determined for the wide, so if you dont have wide back no matte4 how detailed or thick is it because the guy with a wider back always looks more impresionant than a guy with narrow back
@mohammadsufian7890
@mohammadsufian7890 4 жыл бұрын
Phil heath has the best front lat spread. The Details are insane. Ronnie looked soft compared to phil
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but Ronnie's back in 03 looked soft. Phil easily had the better details and better conditioning. Plus Phil's lower lat thickness is insane.
@natepolidoro4565
@natepolidoro4565 Жыл бұрын
What's that lump in between Phil's upper traps?
@wisemansaid5009
@wisemansaid5009 3 жыл бұрын
Why you choose some photos of Phil Heath with dark black background huh???? It makes difference Buddy
@ChronicBackPainn
@ChronicBackPainn 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what i said in the post happened in the video lol. Phil can only win in photos because a tiny bit more condition but on stage he cant win Ronnie is like 40 pounds bigger hes taller and nearly as conditioned. If phil can nearly pose to a terrible ramy imagine coleman. I understand this is photo comparisons but on stage phil wouldnt get a single pose
@ChronicBackPainn
@ChronicBackPainn 4 жыл бұрын
@Pro life only so you think his gut was worse than phils lol and he was around .5 percent less lean than phil. Dehydration was never Ronnies strong suit but he'd mop the floor with phil. If i were wrong then why didnt phil beat jay his first few years if jay was always watery
@g12b-youssefmagdy32
@g12b-youssefmagdy32 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChronicBackPainn so you believe what they right when they say that ronnie was 300 pound😂😂😂 if that's true with the height difference ronnie would not be dwarfing anyone these days since roelly is 295 on stage and doesn't dwarf phil
@mayanksharma7952
@mayanksharma7952 4 жыл бұрын
Kai is also 40 lbs heavier than Phill and still he crushes him ..Phill is called gift for a reason
@kingryuga9710
@kingryuga9710 4 жыл бұрын
Phil would easily win side triceps and Most muscular. The rest is a different story. I would still say Ronnie would win against Phil, but the size difference would not be as big as people are claim it to be.
@ChronicBackPainn
@ChronicBackPainn 4 жыл бұрын
@@kingryuga9710 use jay as a size reference ronnie made jay look not too big and jay made phil look not too big ronnie would dwarf phil. Also for the other guy roelly didnt weigh that much on average ronnie is like 275 and phil is 245
@anmolrajput4647
@anmolrajput4647 3 ай бұрын
You made ronnie like 6.1-6.2😂😂
@andrew98115wl
@andrew98115wl 3 ай бұрын
Phil is a customised F-Seriese Ford Bronco. Sleek, powerful, and you could tow a boat to the lake. Ronnie is a post-apocalyptic juggernaut, with oversized monster wheels, driven by a deranged bodybuilder in an iron mask who'll stop at nothing to crush his enemies.
@1USF
@1USF 2 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is bigger but phil definitely wins when taking Quality over Quantity in consideration. The Gift 🎁 is unbeatable
@VegAngel.
@VegAngel. 3 ай бұрын
1-Cut Phil Heath body in photoshop. 2-Cut Damon Wayans head in photoshop. 3-Insert Damon Wayans head over Phil Heath's body in photoshop 4-You got a Ronnie Coleman Off-Season perfect picture 😎
@MrAvitom
@MrAvitom 4 жыл бұрын
Phil had this one.
@tuahahussain9176
@tuahahussain9176 3 жыл бұрын
10:50 aside from the bubble gut Ronnie looks absolutely insane.
@cristianr.f6465
@cristianr.f6465 Жыл бұрын
if you look closely, Phill looks like a child
@travelreview5962
@travelreview5962 4 жыл бұрын
"A little distention in Phil's stomach, this could hurt him here" That is a perfect summary of Phil's career post 2014... if ya'll haven't heard Phil try to defend his midsection it's worth finding and watching just to see what it looks like when someone is in complete denial. 💁‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but to dock Phil for a little distention when's Ronnie's GUT declared it's independence in 03 is a little hypocritical.
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@theuncannyepicurean
@theuncannyepicurean 4 жыл бұрын
properrrrrrrrly executed brother.
@ibrahimshah7184
@ibrahimshah7184 4 жыл бұрын
Propahlee baby please
@miguelroman4294
@miguelroman4294 4 жыл бұрын
Let's have a pancake vs peanuts match up! Lol great video
@50daysago14
@50daysago14 3 жыл бұрын
Coleman's glutes somehow seem more proportionate than Phil's. Beside that he has probably the best most muscular. But I guess that year didn't have good photos
@jacal420
@jacal420 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent observation! This is the major difference or weakness if you want to call it that. One of the main separating factors I believe. I find it so nitpicky at that point, but that's what judges are there to do. It's just something about the natural flow (genetics) of Heath's glutes that don't match or compare to ronnie's.
@nyaahsee
@nyaahsee 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly i disagree with MMM often, but this is exactly on point. Give Phil credit, he would steal a few poses.
@FanammekElsuso
@FanammekElsuso 4 жыл бұрын
Glutes are the best bodypart of Ronnie, and even the best glutes in history
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
In 03 and 04 they were overpowering. His glutes in 98, 99 and the 01 AC on the other hand are easily the best in history.
@nigeltsapi8417
@nigeltsapi8417 4 жыл бұрын
U can't ignore those hamstrings of coleman
@jayx2514
@jayx2514 4 жыл бұрын
The lighting is very different Specially in the back shots there's a glare on Ronnie's pics
@tinoseenihilistaoptimista2529
@tinoseenihilistaoptimista2529 4 жыл бұрын
Very good channel,bro!! Please, Rich Gaspari vs Lee Priest Big Ramy (Arnold Classic Brasil 2015 maybe) vs Ronnie Coleman 2003 or Alexander Fedorov would be interesting too
@thebest-ce3pb
@thebest-ce3pb Жыл бұрын
You took wrong pictures of colleman .
@natepolidoro4565
@natepolidoro4565 8 ай бұрын
The difference in clavicle width in the front relaxed is crazy.
@uniqutilities2831
@uniqutilities2831 4 жыл бұрын
No contest. This really didn't even need to be a video. But I'm glad it is ;)
@nicolaisb2
@nicolaisb2 2 жыл бұрын
Best two bodybuilders ever
@nishantthakur3357
@nishantthakur3357 4 жыл бұрын
How does ronnie looks as if he has a 6 packs in the side tricep pose 😂
@tonysaourn9220
@tonysaourn9220 Жыл бұрын
There's no comparison between these two because they got there own unique look on there muscles.
@michaelangelokapirig6151
@michaelangelokapirig6151 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie owns every pose except Side triceps and Ab and thigh
@kameronrafaellee4444
@kameronrafaellee4444 4 жыл бұрын
this is a subjective opinion, i think phil has a cleaner more symmetrical physique but Coleman just brings freakiness every mass and conditioning wise...
@5.0_meatballmarinara
@5.0_meatballmarinara 3 жыл бұрын
All Phil’s pics are straight forward Ronnie’s are off to the side. Makes a difference
@mindgames50
@mindgames50 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t stand Phil heath the man, but 2011 his physique is so detailed I don’t think it can ever be beat
@damfunk.
@damfunk. Жыл бұрын
Ronnie flattens Phil. Phil can lean back all he wants in the back shots, that doesn’t mean he has lower lat insertions.
@brucele2776
@brucele2776 4 жыл бұрын
1:43 lady speaking
@jayboy9275
@jayboy9275 Жыл бұрын
It’s unfair because Ronnie picture was taken from a side down angle
@nextgengaming074
@nextgengaming074 4 жыл бұрын
Phil won ab and thigh and most muscular. People who worship Ronnie are the ones living in the past
@realg.7731
@realg.7731 Жыл бұрын
The cameras are better than the years Colman was competing but Phills chest
@juliuslim8853
@juliuslim8853 2 жыл бұрын
I pick Phil. better lower back in the rear lats spread pose.
@nationiron
@nationiron 2 жыл бұрын
Phil Heath 2011 for me, Coleman is and will always be the mass king. But 2011 Phil is hard to beat in an era, someone tell me who beats that version of Phil plz…
@smithgorrilugum4574
@smithgorrilugum4574 2 жыл бұрын
I know that it's considered irrelevant in body building competition but it would be interesting if you could dig up some stats on these comparisons. For instance height/weight and maybe some arm/leg measurements. Also how about some comparisons of standing relaxed? (that is when you can really see the "v-shape".
@vivificateurveridique1420
@vivificateurveridique1420 Жыл бұрын
How can Heath beat Ronnie???? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpm9hWuibrGgoNU&ab_channel=qubas91
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 Жыл бұрын
Ronnie was 2 inches taller and about 30lbs heavier
@twillymantheoneandonly5587
@twillymantheoneandonly5587 Жыл бұрын
Phil Heath is the most genetically gifted bodybuilder in history. His clavicle width is his weakness. But nobody has better and rounder muscle bellys or better muscle separation.
@codylasik3739
@codylasik3739 3 жыл бұрын
Side by side on stage Coleman’s back width would overshadow Phil Heath. Phil does have hard back but so does Coleman. And side by side on stage the sheer width of Coleman’s back would seriously overshadow Phil
@justinfletcher7630
@justinfletcher7630 Жыл бұрын
I'm new to watching this but I can still clearly tell there's nothing I've every seen like 2003 Ronnie except like 09 Jay
@howy3333
@howy3333 3 жыл бұрын
I give you credit, Totally true that phil wins the back shots but coleman kills him in the front. The margin of victory puts ronnie ahead
@kewan2045
@kewan2045 Жыл бұрын
You’d have to see them live side to side to understand the difference. Ronnie is soo dense
@shannonstickle4700
@shannonstickle4700 4 жыл бұрын
Phil does win in the back shots
@jacobbrassard2776
@jacobbrassard2776 4 жыл бұрын
Only in the back double
@damenschneider2795
@damenschneider2795 3 жыл бұрын
You are wayyyyy off on a few points. Way off. There was no stomach distention on either guy from the side relaxed. Phil’s glutes are better????? Incorrect. Ronnie had the best glutes ever.
@sayandas8007
@sayandas8007 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget you are comparing a 2003 photo with a 2013 photo. There is a big quality difference between those. Admit it. Big Ronn is always the best
@Mst923
@Mst923 11 күн бұрын
I’m a heath fan, but no one, I MEAN NO ONE beats Ronnie’s most muscular. Never seen anything like it and it’s 2025 😮
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