Phil Heath vs. Kai Greene - The Untold Story Of The Biggest Feud In Bodybuilding

Chris and Phil Heath discuss Phil's legendary rivalry with Kai Greene. Why were Phil Heath and Kai Greene so competitive? What did Kai Greene do to upset Phil Heath? How did Kai Greene respond to Phil Heath's 2018 Mr. Olympia loss?
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[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you legends. Watch the full episode with Phil Heath here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/op3am4avgtFrj8Usi=nnP4EqIS4HgLSaWL

[@humanspoder777]

Kai being the only one to call him after a loss says a lot

[@lindakentane4952]

please have kai green next as a guest on your podcast

[@Sheyshel]

Yesssss!!!

[@mastersheff37]

And make sure to ask him about the watermelon he fucked for money.

[@roejogan8247]

Kai is not one for straight answers. His word salads are amongst the worst.

[@hugster2000]

He talks nonstop nonsense

[@lindakentane4952]

@@hugster2000 you do realise that you don't have to listen to him...right? Secondly, one can't make everyone happy...right?

[@brennenhiatt7479]

8:20 absolute chills, what a beautiful story to know these two legends have such a special relationship now

[@jimbojimbo6873]

That’s what being gay does

[@ksmoove1100]

@@jimbojimbo6873😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrLJeffery]

I like he clarified it wasn't emotional like he was gunna cry and he proceeds to get all misty eyed haha

[@_6doughver]

Kai vs Phil was the last time the Olympia was fun and entertaining to watch

[@bearclaw5115]

Very impressed how well Chris was prepared for this interview. I think you can only get this far with someone when you have a personal and abiding interest in the topic.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

Yh this isnt just research for an interview this is genuine long term fan girling for the olympia

[@davidgutierrez6023]

A Kai Greene interview would be fantastic.A very humble and competitive man.👍

[@heveyweightheveyweight5399]

I dont think he wants to be called a man

[@ziekiee7966]

a very big man who likes to put a weener in a grapefruit xd

[@OrphanCrippler1]

Pass. That dude is a weirdo

[@marksmith7503]

Kai talks too much

[@craineyfit8619]

"they didn't beat the Phil i know" maaaaan to have your rival say that 😢🙏

[@gavinmarion4550]

The greatest rivalry was between Cutler and Coleman. Kai and phill was kinda forced by the industry

[@Ksmoove0824]

Agree.

[@lancewilliams8001]

Bigger than arnie and Mike

[@matthewmatthew3955]

I'm convinced Phil heath and elliot hulse are long lost brothers

[@joeglue]

Never knew about that call. Made me feel like a teenager again hearing him talk about Kai. Incredible.

[@Uprising771]

kai and phil should start a podcast together, i think it could be the greatest show in bodybuilding

[@user-yt4xu4en5f]

Dude, your interviews are excellent as well as the studio setup, editing, shots, lens choices, lighting, etc.! Very very well done. Checks all the boxes. Great work!

[@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender]

I appreciate what kai did, spice things up,give us a show, like wwe but not going too far

[@TheGruffness]

Phil feeling validated by the big bad Kai says a lot

[@WJohnson-qz9hg]

i was such a kai fanboy during the height of their feud, but being older now and hearing phil talk im such a fan of the guy

[@Morphious117]

Having a rival like Kai green only makes you better and work harder. Great rivalry made the completions enjoyable to watch

[@ChismTuggle]

...2016 college me has been waiting for this clip for nearly 8 years. Man this takes me back.

[@Berserker_pump]

Great interview 👍

[@mbag012]

I was on team Kai, and I always lamented when Phil won. But damn Phil is one beast.

[@salmanebennani9327]

I believe Kai had him beat at least twice in my opinion.

[@ChauncyCharm]

​@@salmanebennani9327what years?

[@BrandonGiordano]

I hope the vibes are cool now cuz I look up to these guys rivalry and their dedication to the sport

[@liam_kentsportspod]

Absolutely love these videos!

[@rcosher]

The bond between the two is so strong cause only they have experienced the rivalary and now it became commaradery

[@gsrleo]

It’s amazing how Kai Green can be the the biggest person to call and console Phil on his loss, yet Phil is still able to find a way to ruin it with his conceitedness and not acknowledge how great it really was and how much it must have took for Kai to do it despite the rivalry that they had…

[@ksubyslowed]

Of course Kai was always operating on a higher level.

[@michaeltamares7974]

Umm. He earned the right to boast. Its not conceit. IT'S earned privilege to talk smack. Bodybuilding competition is cutthroat.

[@sknkwrksowner]

He literally said how he appreciated it during that moment of him talking about it. 7:38

[@jesusmarywillsaveyou]

13:02-14:40

[@flemutter7211]

Kai vs Phil was def the biggest fued. They really had tension..both of them had very unique looks. Phil was already rich then, Kai was struggling. Light vs dark

[@venicec3310]

Light vs dark wtf lol

[@flemutter7211]

@@venicec3310 archetypes. You should read more

[@venicec3310]

@@flemutter7211 nobody is in the dark or light just two competitors

[@flemutter7211]

@@venicec3310 again reading comprehension is key 🤦🏿 😂

[@jakepaulpound-for-pound9418]

@@venicec3310Phil has much lighter skin than Kai. 👨🏽‍🦲🆚👨🏿‍🦲

[@BlackManTravels]

Awesome podcast session

[@petriandy]

Phil & Kai should straighten everything out offline, then do a podcast together where they keep up the rivalry act. They could be a very entertaining duo like Eddie Hall & Brian Shaw !

[@blountman747]

Incredible I'm glad, Greg called him after he lost. What an incredible time of bodybuilding are the Phil Heath age I think he probably passed the time I don't know

[@Linknelson]

I think Phill wanted this to be the biggest rivalry.. but I remember back in those times, they were still talking about Jay and Ronnie.

[@matthewanthony4606]

Disagree, Phil’s and Kai’s actual distaste for each other made their rivalry interesting. Ronnie and Jay came off as two regular dudes just having fun

[@kickinaddiction]

It’s phil ten years ago. He was so nice. Had a great conversation! 👍

[@trustonit1131]

these phil heath segments have been great

[@MasterFlores35]

Bring Kai Greene on next 🙌🏼

[@slamrock17]

The rivalry was awesome as a fan. I liked kai but phil won 100%

[@marxmaxmuscle1]

great content

[@teknykill]

7:50 I would have called ya too bro! No matter what I lost and respected the guy who beat me. I would root for Kia being from NJ and seeing him since way back, but I knew Phil was the guy to beat. NY guys call each other names that we LOVE.

[@BeyondFormidable]

thank you this question to The Gift! Kai Greene was absolutely one of my favorite bb's of allll time... i remember wanting to flex next to one of my boys to just reenact the time they tried to upstage each other by engaging in that elbow war in 2014

[@doomfathertm8771]

This was great. Thanks to Phil for doing this.

[@kevinfoodness4467]

Phil and Kai got the world outside of bodybuilding to start watching the sport, def greatest rivalry hands down

[@UnxCreative]

True!! After Kai stopped competing the open category started to decline and even more once Phil lost and didn't come back in 2019. It's no longer the most interesting thing at the Olympia like how it was when Kai and Phil competed.

[@robertredmon6387]

Rivalries are very very healthy and rivalries don't have to be hated rivalries are vital for competition

[@sergiootero5904]

Woulda been real cool if you added the pictures you were talking about

[@drkomuzik8640]

Dude your interviews are absolutely top notch and the production quality is always amazing. This interview is great. All that being said. The set and setting looks so uncomfortable. Are you guys in a sweatshop, at a high school cafeteria lunch table, sitting on hard metal chairs with absolutely no cushioning at all? I feel for Phils back and butt from sitting in that chair that honestly looks so uncomfortable I can’t handle it

[@daguy9305]

Phil seems very cool and genuine 🙏

[@sknkwrksowner]

Cool bit of the interview to hear. Looking at the comments, I can clearly see why he said THE FANS ruined it!

[@fresh0678]

If my ego was as big as Phil's, i would be president

[@bearclaw5115]

Actually you need a smaller ego to be President. People who are secure and confident in themselves don't want the job.

[@Insaniya.humanity]

@@bearclaw5115politicians have the biggest egos ever. Small ego people , with absolute drive, chose a more dignified job

[@TheVisibl3]

If you had 7 mr O's your ego would be the biggest ever.

[@paranoidbeats9579]

Phil's forearms are bigger than my legs

[@plutobaby9996]

Kai Greene got robbed a couple years in a row and that’s due to the politics that go on in bodybuilding

[@sonnyblacktr24]

Phil Heath's forearms out here looking like quads

[@GGG9924]

Even now those forearms are still popping. Best in the history of the game.

[@bowenbottorff1283]

His brachioradialis (forearm muscle on the top of the forearm that ties into the bicep) is literally bigger than a lot of people's arms. Only one that comes even close is Flex Lewis

[@GGG9924]

@bowenbottorff1283 Its unbelievable, its like it sits on top of his arm like bubble of muscle, the fullness is insane.

[@Knowledge.to_Come]

Phil heath has the best bodybuilding genetics probably ever, especially his response to the drugs and skin texture. He just took it too far with the HGH in his later competitive years. He could have had 10 olympias but im sure he started upping certain doses that he didnt need to near the end of his career and it caused him to have severe reaction (gut area)

[@lionofjudhax]

The rivalry between always main me hit the gym harder!

[@jafaralhuseini3899]

After hearing Kai call Phil after his loss shows he may have lost the battles but won the war.

[@JakesSake]

Ronnie and Jay was the best rivalry - you had the greatest of all Time in Ronnie and Jay pushing all them years.

[@MoneyOverFame]

Phil is a good guy, real humble.

[@habanerodesigns]

Art direction is amazing.

[@Vss86]

Kai is a legend

[@constant123]

Where did you get that table?!???!!!

[@Vss86]

I met Kai in Birmingham fitness expo Dude was so humble and cool

[@ondremayersthebajanbornkid2733]

2 of these best to ever do it

[@juansebastianrodriguezospi9216]

Kai need a guest to ur movement ... And maybe later u can talk With "the Blade" on how he can make a time line on every age that he compites in a bodybuilding... Is an a great idea ... Thanks for that boy ... Is a great part that nevera says of the competición backstage...

[@reece_vanschalkwyk]

Unreal content

[@bigtojo]

When Phil and Kai was on the stage everybody had to be on there A-game cause 1&2 was always set in stone.

[@1990rable]

i love it man

[@mattepton5731]

Sure am glad they didn’t actually fight, one of the greatest rivalries in bodybuilding.

[@Bobb45628]

Phil’s forearms are just freaky 😳

[@hugster2000]

Phil wasn’t the best ever lol Ronnie is

[@up2me967]

Yeha 4 sure but Phil is nr 2 and people sleeping on him because he's personality.

[@marchegler3025]

Potentially..... Flex Wheeler wayyyyyy better than Phil.

[@user-gc6kb2qm5h]

Dorian Yates.

[@youtubeenjoyer1617]

​@@marchegler3025😂😂😂lmao based on what?

[@rjskum688]

Arnold is the greatest of all time.

[@rowanisaac9603]

Imagine Phil vs Kai masters Olympia

[@theturtle9800]

Mentzer vs arnold is also a big one

[@chriswizo9891]

They are both dope af.

[@colemanhuckins1181]

Okay now we need to hear what kai says about it all. Also I want to know what his top 10 is.

[@janverschuren593]

Getting in someones head is a important tactick

[@davidsoudek]

How self absorbed is Phil Heath… I’m the best ever. Dude Dexter Jackson was there when you were in HS and still there holding his own at your 3rd place showing in 2020. 20 Mr. Olympia appearances. Say what you want.. the longevity and success of his career outshines your Sandows.

[@maryjoschlechty7590]

Phil you will never figure out Kai's mind, cause Kai himself doesn't know his full mind

[@khurammeer3114]

Glad phil has respect for kai

[@toolstechgadgets]

Why phil looks like Kurt Angle so much, even tho he is light skin lol

[@PolishBehemoth]

lol literally a light black kurt angle!

[@toolstechgadgets]

@PolishBehemoth in size he's bigger, lil bit younger & short but face shape n cut kinda similar to 70%

[@anthonyluna91]

Yo so true 🤣

[@phillbarnes8513]

If you close your eyes, he sounds like John McWhorter too.

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

​​@@phillbarnes8513Dude, that's hilarious and only 4 of us got your reference.

[@Mark-ye8ro]

That rivalry reminds me of Arnold and Sylvester.

[@moietmesguitares]

The best bodybuilding rivalry was Ronnie Vs Jay 💪💪

[@pierrebenites2115]

Respect to Phil for giving Kai his props

[@chadrichardthomas]

This was a short term rivalry. Green should have won that year imo and likely cost it by his actions but jay and Coleman was the best long term rivalry even if friends.

[@miaelder5484]

It’s not bigger than Jay and Ronnie’s

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

Nope. It takes two winners to make a rivalry.

[@ruue18]

Arnold vs. Mentzer?

[@oscardelahoya8405]

In as much as Phil was good , Kai was robbed in some of the olympias

[@SCW_Fitness]

Really? I thought Phil won comfortably every time and I was always rooting for Kai!

[@AkWar9]

100%. He should’ve been a 2 time Champion atleast in all fairness.

[@dlopzz5225]

I got chills wow that’s how it’s supposed to be honestly

[@philippedeclauzadedemazieu195]

Phil's forearms though..surely the best set of arms

[@speaktruth3891]

nobody can beat phil Heath forearm, he has big bicep on it too...

[@noahmiller4953]

I want Rock vs Brock rematch more than Rock vs Roman.

[@nolan1907]

Phil, when will you give back the bracelet?

[@JGunit]

The art of war

[@luigirnotyourbusiness8127]

Violence is not the answer, but irl who wins in fight, Kai or Phil?

[@honestfan420]

Kai Greene should be a 1x Mr Olympia.

[@justvibing2497]

Hope phil comes back man. Feel he should try to break ronnie record

[@techrohhit]

The uncrown king kai🦍

[@trainzt1476]

Biggest ego? People dont know a fucking think about success. This isnt ego , this is confidence at his finest. Learn people instead of hating

[@arunray2986]

We need Kai green next😅

[@SteveWoodsGsy]

Was an incredible time in bodybuilding

[@Friendlyfires4985]

Didn’t he say at first it was the judges that ruined it not the fans?

[@karl5563]

If Jay and Ronnie were raised badly they'd be kai and phil

[@paulcox2447]

Prime Ronnie would still look larger than Kai although Kai is definitely one of the few guys to keep up with Ronnie in the side chest. Ronnie's frame is just too much bigger. Kai would win hamstrings from the side though. Gotta give him those, amazing side hammies!

[@yitziyyb]

Bigger fued than metzner and schwartzenager??

[@g.buckieedwards7890]

That wasn’t a feud though because Arnold was in another league

[@Fabi_87]

Yeah bodybuilding was much smaller back then. Arnold was on another level among anyone during his peak too.

[@yitziyyb]

Don't think you guys know Metzner. You realize he was supposed to win in '80.., over Arnold.

[@venicec3310]

It was more mentzer hating Arnold, arnold could care less lol

[@marcusmajor1780]

Yeah, everyone needs to look up the controversy surrounding the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Arnold should have never been allowed to compete, let alone win. He didn't even deserve a top 10 finish.

[@martinepeters9891]

Did he interview him in prison?

[@masiraadmiraal777]

Nice phone call ❤