343: BEST Poor Man's Rifle?

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

Anyhony's story of his grandpa was special. Brought a tear to my eye. Yes Ron, you do speek in the manner we came up in. I have been reading, watching, 'following ' yourself since the mid 70's. I do love your work.

[@OldSoulBallistics84]

Thank you, that was from me. Anthony

[@Ps119]

Though rifle barrels are tougher than bore brushes a brush can slightly eroded the rifling if it is pulled back and forth continuously for 5,000 years.

[@CB-68-westcreations]

Lol. I'm pretty sure the brush would fail before that time expired :-) lol

[@harry8506]

I have used bronze bore brushes for years, I have never seen any damage from them.

[@TedHall-k7v]

Thanks Ron! Love it when experience embraces common sense. A Jack OConnor image comes to mind. And the best advice: do what works for you and your success.

[@lukefoster3550]

I own both these rifles and both are really accurate. I had to send the ruger back for feeding issues they fixed the issue and gave me an extra mag for the trouble . I prefer the m18 though mine feeds better and is a tad more accurate but the trigger and three position safety gives it the win for me . Prefer the finish on the ruger good though . Paid the exact same price for both 399 each .

[@jonathanmitchell3733]

I would go with the Mauser m18. They feel like they are good quality, fit and finish.

[@poisonPpaully]

I feel the same way as Anthony when I listen to you Ron it feels like I’m talking to my grandpa about cartridges and different game he was a wealth of knowledge like you having gone on everything from African safari to Montana Colorado Wyoming and his his multiple leases in central and west Texas. He left us in 04 when I was 24 and it’s always a breath of fresh air listening to you. By the way he was a huge fan of 22-250 like you but he took 4:04 his go to everything rifle 7mm rem mag everywhere including Africa and killed basically everything there except the big 5 Thanks for your knowledge and willingness to share

[@OldSoulBallistics84]

Thank you, that was from me. Anthony

[@winchester7391]

I researched a bit for inexpensive well made rifles for my grandchildren as a Christmas gift for hunting at our ranch. Settled on the American Ruger and bought 6 of them in 6.5CM and two ruger 10/22’s for the younger ones. I couldn’t be happier with my choice and I’m hoping this winter the only remaining grandchild that hasn’t taken a whitetail yet will have that opportunity. The young twins are happy as ever shooting spinners from the back porch and Mimi and Papa couldn’t be happier to see them all take their sport so seriously and dedicated to conservation thanks to their Mimi. Love your broadcast and really enjoy testing my knowledge and learning while listening to you. By the way, my three eldest grandsons never miss an episode and often alone to discuss their takeaways. Best, J&K

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks for raising those grandkids right!

[@michaelobrien4734]

I am 66 years old. Several years ago I tore my rotator cuff and a couple years later was in a wreck and crushed several vertebrae in my neck. I no longer tolerate much recoil. I could not tolerate my 30-06. I got rid of it and got a 243. I have had 6 one shot kills between 125 and 200 yards and my grandson has also had a couple one shot kills with it. I see no need to go bigger. I even had a 310 yard one shot antelope. I have picked up a 308 for an upcoming elk hunt but even it pushes my tolerance

[@SavageShooter93]

I cant remember the guys name but a national champion Benchrest shooter takes a bronze brush and a cordless drill to his barrels to clean them between every string of fire so if it were possible to damage a barrel and ruin accuracy with a brush I think the guy who shoots sub .2" groups all day would have discovered it by using a drill.

[@tqbcpc]

It's Lou Murdica

[@paulsouth4794]

Eric cortinez does a good vid on this aswell

[@seuthsayer]

I do that with shotgun barrels that have some corrosion or pitting, shines them up remarkably. I see no problem with it.

[@joshtrauger3088]

They also only shoot a few hundred rounds through a barrel though don't they?

[@SavageShooter93]

Yeah that’s true but they are chasing the best possible accuracy and they usually set the barrel back a little and keep using it for slightly less demanding shooting.

[@chrisb9478]

Of the lower priced guns, I really like the Ruger Am’s, Cva Cascade & Franchi Momentum.

[@mikes1097]

For gun cleaning, I use a slightly undersized bronze brush with a cotton patch over it. That protects the bore from the brush but gives more pressure on the cotton patch.

[@letsdothis9063]

If bronze scratches your steel barrel....well, you have a problem with whoever made that "steel" barrel.

[@mikes1097]

@@letsdothis9063 true! But I really use the patch on the brush so that it is a tighter fit and the patch collects the grime better

[@indycharlie]

WORD !! @@letsdothis9063

[@katrinadarling3271]

Whenever I listen to barrel mechanical cleaning advice, I think about what I’m doing versus what a bullet does when it slams down the barrel at 2800 ft/sec with an incinerating conflagration immediately behind it. It is difficult for me to imagine a level of incompetence that could damage a gun barrel using any cleaning rod or brush. Some of the most admonishing people that point out my incompetence won’t hesitate to discharge 60 rounds/min of ammunition through the same barrel that they insist on only using sacred cloth to clean.

[@shaneslief896]

I did a lot of research on a budget rifle and settled on the M18. Of the four of us that hunt together we own the following, the patriot (2023), rem 700-new version (2016), the savage axis with the acutrigger (2015) , and my m18 (2017), all of us 100% shoot the Mauser better than any of the other rifles. It is just a joy to own.

[@wizardofahhhs759]

The M-18 is a new production rifle?

[@richardfassett9755]

Hey Ron- just caught up with the video. Talking about cleaning with a bronze brush. I bought myself a Winchester single shot 22 rifle for my 6th birthday in March of 1952. I have been cleaning it with a bronze brush since day one. It was a used one I got from a neighbor for $5.00. Got in the back of his pickup the same day, drove to the Sheriffs Department to register it lm my name. No problem in those days. Still have it and shoot Agila Colibre in it in the back yard. No noise and stops in a cardboard box full of paper. The bore is still like the day I got it. By the way -I am now the old grandpa the younger ones come to but sometimes I think they ask only to be polite but don’t really listen I am a steal and wood kind of guy while most of them are polymer people. I love all guns and I really enjoy your videos and pod casts. Always learn something new or old. Richard

[@MarvinTurner-oc4ml]

Ron, I appreciate the first comment you referred to, even though I never knew my grandparents. You have a very sonorous voice and such a clear, precise delivery that it's very comforting for me to listen to your presentations. I also agree with your pragmatic response to the cleaning questions. Simple metallurgy tells us that bronze and brass brushes are not hard enough to harm steel. I have learned quite a bit of good knowledge from watching your videos. Thank You.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you, Marvin.

[@abbeybremner4162]

222cal was used extensively in New Zealand during the 1950s for deer culling. Not my choice but they clearly work on deer with good shot placement

[@capt.j.toddwalker2028]

I met Tubbs service rifle shooter at Camp Perry. He claims to use Windex on his rifling to remove all oil before shooting. He has a badger barrel on his service rifle that has thousands beyond thousands around through it. It reduces heat and friction on the rifling. I have been doing it with some long range rifles and swear by it as well. You need to remove the oil from your rifling 37:56 before shooting because your barrels cannot take that kind of heat and pressure. Thanks long time, KZbin watcher first timer on replying. Love what you do. Keep it up and if you ever make it to neck of the woods look me up love to take you fishing or set up an Osceola turkey hunt. Tight lines will keep them in the X ring Captain Todd Walker signing out

[@payney23291]

Really like my Mauser M18, It was the first rifle i purchased. Its not perfect but it's a good solid rifle for the price.

[@georgehetherington8312]

The only disadvantage I have seen from 223 and 22/250 rounds is that they don't leave much of a blood trail.

[@stephanvermaak4635]

Mauser M18 is lots of gun for not a lot of money. The bolt is some of the best I've seën amongst most rifles. Great accuracy with hand loads. Wonderful rifle to carry in the African bushveld. That being said....I do not think anyone is making bad quality rifles these days.

[@gregewing3916]

My dad was a high Master ranked high-power rifle competitor and gunsmith for decades. He always used the .30 and .22 bore brushes in his rifles.

[@brianneis7309]

You are a national treasure. Please never stop making videos and sharing your invaluable knowledge.

[@charlesschenck911]

I hear what you say Jim says about cleaning with a jag and patches only. But, I have found that after those patches "come clean" a brush perhaps small for bore, with a thin patch, soaked in bore cleaner and wrapped around the brush pushed down the bore, helps bring out " age settled" carbon that can then be picked up by jag and patch. I've dealt with a lot of old converted war rifles from the 20th and 19th centuries that have been just stacked in the back corners of old farmhouse closets and forgotten.

[@kaptnblaubaer]

I own a M18 "Fenris" in 6,5 SE, it shoots 1/2 MOA at 300 Meters any time. I love that Rifle

[@mikenelson7139]

If you tape a large soda bottle to the end of your barrel you eliminate cleaning spatter.

[@WillyK51]

If Newspaper is still available, Spread on the floor, simpler than than taping a bottle to the muzzle🤣🤣

[@garywoodlief1976]

It was not about it getting on the floor@@WillyK51

[@danielhess39]

Thanks for the explanations Ron!👍🏼

[@robfarris4849]

Brass bore brushes. Carburetor or break cleaner for a fast job. The paste Ron mentions is excellent. Ron giving good info folks, listen and learn. My favorite all around hunting rifle for ground hogs, deer, coyotes etc... early 1970s Ruger mini 14. Stainless military style. Was a ky state police gun bought in 1983. Remington 55 gr soft points. Thanks Ron for all the info. ❤ this channel.

[@cameronbissell7094]

My feelings exactly Anthony, While my Grandfather wasn’t a hunter (or gun owner) Ron’s cadence, inflection, and humor remind me of my now departed “Pop”. It makes listening to Ron all the more enjoyable.

[@OldSoulBallistics84]

Thank you, yes sir that was me

[@bryanheimann5370]

Used to be a marlin 336 30-30. Used to be the cheapest deer rifle you could buy new, even KMart used to carry them. Cheap factory ammo, inside 150 yards you could realistically expect to kill anything. And fast and handy, quick follow up shots. Now it cost $800 just to get a used one and $1000+ for a new Ruger-built marlin 336. So it’s probably gonna be a Savage Axis, super cheap at a pawn shop, pick your cartridge. All the old milsurps use oddball cartridges.

[@jeffglasman19]

I started with 30-06 and went to a 243, for deer less recoil ,and more than enough nock down power. My favorite bullet was the 85 gr boatail made by Speer.

[@DanielDelivered]

@ 1:27 in ~ Beautifully done, Ron. Absolutely love Your work(s). Godspeed! 🙏

[@waynebrown2546]

Ron, E A. Brown carries the "accelerator" sabots. I have some to do the 55g in 30-06. I have not had a chance to play yet. my experience back in the day was after about 75 yards it was a real crap shoot on accuracy. but short distance 4000= ft. per sec was a lot of fun

[@allenkeskinen6174]

It is unfortunate that many believe.308 Winchester is inherently more accurate than any other .30 caliber because the U.S. military adopted it. The fact is the military chose it due recoil reduction for a perceived recoil sensitive service member. Performance was secondary .308 Win was just good enough.

[@Jeff-sl8xz]

Never really been a big fan of the.308 win for a deer rifle/ big game I know that it works I just prefer the ought six personally

[@chadillac95]

​@Jeff-sl8xz I agree with some of what you say. I don't love the 308 for hunting purposes or long range purposes. It's a round that just kinda does the job. The ideal bullet weights for the 308 is 130-165 grains. You can get smaller diameter bullets in those same weights and have less recoil with better BCs and better or similar velocity

[@albertlemont5471]

They adopted the 7.62 NATO over the 30Government so the soldiers could carry more ammo with the same weight.

[@ericthered7226]

.308 guys..... Lol. They're funny.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron , I like the Poor man's rifles . Recently I have pickup Mauser 98 that was sportized and a 03A3 that was sportized too. Both rifles are in 3006. I don't have a lot money invested. I like finding Military Surplus rifles that have been Sportized you can usually get them on the budget. The Poor Man's Rifles.

[@jfess1911]

Competitive shooters doe not use the same 308 chamber as most hunters. The SAAMI chamber is considered too sloppy for best accuracy. Most competition shooters use barrels with chambers optimized for the bullets they use. The freebore (the snug cylinder in front of the case to align the bullet before entering the rifling) of the SAAMI 308 has about 4 times the slop as that used in competition chambers. More recent cartridges like the 7mm-08, 6.5 Creedmoor, etc use similar "match style" chambers that have only about half a thousandth of an inch clearance for the bullet in the freebore.

[@larryjelinek]

Ron: I love your shows! just wondering why people worry about barrel burn out,when my gunsmith can take my barrel and re chamber it and only shorten it less than 1/4 in. all for about 100 bucks more or less depending on brand of rifle.It's like new again! I've had this done a couple times as I love making my old guns new again!

[@johnl5974]

My hunting buddy uses 22-250. Soft point or varmint bullets, out to 400 yards. Deer drop like when he used to use 300 Win Mag, except he shoots the 22-250 better. It took a few years until I stopped being amazed and got used to it. It's not for me, but it works.

[@DriveCarToBar]

Yes you can use brake cleaner although it can damage some finishes. Try it out in an inconspicuous place first. Keep it off plastics if at all possible. I would suggest carburetor cleaner as a safer option and generally works better on carbon deposits anyway. Dirty secret: I use a cheap spray can of carburetor cleaner and whatever motor oil I happen to have in the garage to clean and lube my AR15. Works super fast. And I use a brass brush down the bore, no F's given. Doesn't hurt anything. The gasses from firing are going to erode the gas port and throat long before my cheapy brass brush ever causes a single issue. The patches are for the final wipe down, drying and oiling the bore, not unlike using a buffing cloth as the final step to shining up your boots.

[@davidteague5461]

Thank u for the videos. I love your info and all your videos.

[@CB-68-westcreations]

I like number four for longer ranges with a full choke bigger pellets maintain them with minimum so they reach a little further as well. But as always, your advice is spot on . of course I didn't expect anything different. That's a fantastic breakdown for people who are just getting into Shotgun.

[@calebh2642]

When I listen to Ron I am immediately reminded of my grandfather and the discussions we used to have. Every time I thought I found the best all around cartridge he would find a way to make me doubt it in one aspect or another. At the end of the day a .270 win does everything out east. Legal diameter for coyotes in my province and big enough for moose/black bear without the unnecessary powder burn/recoil of a magnum

[@jamescopeland8155]

Thanks Ron for your advice over the years.

[@JeanMartin-k3c]

Lite caliber that fragments grandfather killed many all with 270

[@JeanMartin-k3c]

Not good computer6/ phone

[@JeanMartin-k3c]

Like mic looks official

[@JeanMartin-k3c]

Appreciate your knowledge

[@TonyYork-KB9RAO]

In terms of barrel burning out People dont take into account that target shooters tend to shoot fairly large strings of shots rather quickly, which might be why they see burnout at rates that seem to occour at lower round counts than most folks will see.

[@lz3572]

Great video 👍👍 I agree with your statements on all the subjects. Especially on the 12 ga chokes and shot size and 243 for Elk. Distance,shot placement, and bullet choice. And proficiency.

[@JoeZelensky]

Ron the exception for shot is 00 and 000 you want to use a cylinder bore. Because any choking will cause flat spots on the shot which results in flyers.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Good advice, Joe. And I'd add smaller shot to the caveat, too. The larger the pellets, the more jamming and deformation as they squeeze through tighter holes (chokes.)

[@bekkerbosbeer3453]

There I learned something again as always thank you Ron and thor

[@Cjtarinelli]

The Mauser M-18 is a super accurate rifle; sub moa is easy. I have shot a THIRTEEN shot group that was 1 inch @ 100 yards. Only one of those was a "flier" that appeared as a single hole - all the rest were just part of one jagged sub 1 inch hole. The bolt hang-up happens at the closing of the bolt - you just need to do that with a firm forward motion.

[@9mmARman]

Over the past 45+/- years I've done more pheasant hunting over my German Shorthaired Pointers in the Northeast than any other kind of hunting. I've found that #6 shot works the best for me with either a Cylinder Bore or Improved. I've shot mostly 12ga but over the past 10 or 15 years I've become a big fan of the 16ga, having almost as much shot as the 12ga but in a lighter shotgun so it feels like you're carrying a 20ga. But my favorite shotgun to use is one of my Pedersoli 12ga SxS muzzleloaders packed with 80gr of RS Pyrodex and 1-1/8 ounce of #6 shot. It's just so fun and relaxing, and my hunting buddy Zeke told me he liked watching me use the BP shotgun to take the birds he sniffed out and pointed for me (we always had good conversations on our ride home!). In terms of wearing rifle barrels out, my father bought a used Winchester Model 70 chambered in .243 Winchester, not knowing much about the cartridge back then at all. It was a heavy barrel, free floated barrel, glass bedded action with a very crisp trigger and we mounted a 6.5-20x Leupold scope. This was back in the early 80's when I was still in elementary school and he wanted a rifle for us to shoot woodchucks which were destroying the farmer's crops in town. We experimented with different bullet weights and brands of ammo and didn't have many good results, until a gunsmith recommended we try Federal Premium loaded with 60gr Sierra HP. We were no expert rifle shots back then, but from a sandbag rest we could shoot quarter size groups at 100 yards using that load. And we learned holdovers and made shots out past 400 yards on woodchucks, which was a long way for us back then. But after handloading using 60gr HP bullets and shooting a LOT over the next decades, it was starting to get less and less accurate. When we finally traded it, it couldn't group better than 2" at 100 yards. It was still good enough for the person who we traded it to, but knowing what it used to be capable of it just didn't do it for us anymore. I wish I kept track of exactly how many rounds we put through it but I do know it was over 1000, and we didn't know the rifle's history before we owned it.

[@rockylavigna5977]

Mauser advertises they have the best process to manufacture cold forged hammer barrels in the world. Therefore they say they make the best cold forged hammer barrels in the world. I thought yea right. After that I found a Mauler M18 in 6.5 PRC on sale. At the range in extremely harsh windy conditions the rifle shot a .30 sub Moa. Unbelievable! They did back up what they advertise. Still nothing wrong with ruger. They shoot good no problem with ruger. This my experience. I was not prepared for the Mauser, to say I was impressed would be an understatement.

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

my favorite rifle of all time is the M77 tang safety

[@jerralddownie3330]

Mine as well 180 gr kills with one shot kills for deer, elk, and bear

[@JLan0904]

I enjoy watching you Rob but your video covers so many questions and topics I couldn't even find the part about the rifle subject in the title I was interested in watching

[@tlloyd9325]

So waaay back in the 1960’s I bought a very used Browning Sweet Sixteen. What I quickly realized was that no one ever put the shells on sale. Started out with a Lee hand loader and I settled on a heavy field load with 7 1/2 shot with a modified choke tube in a Cutts compensator. Probably the reason I can’t hear today. I hunted EVERYTHING, dove, quail, ducks, with the rare goose thrown in. Now I have a 12ga Browning, same choke system and except for waterfowl, still the same setup. Something about old dogs and new tricks?

[@ronladuke7235]

One of the most important things in manufacturing accurate bullets is concentricity,when a bullet travels through the barrel it spins on the barrel centre but as it leaves the barrel the bullet spins on the centre of gravity, That’s why plastic Sabot rounds would be difficult to keep the bullet perfectly centred in the Sabot!

[@jfess1911]

The tests that I have seen show only a very small decrease in velocity with increasing twist rates. It is usually on the order of 10fps. Some data is on the Accurate Shooter site in an article "How Muzzle Velocity Changes with Different Barrel Twist Rates".

[@ccfdmd]

Interesting. Last year I asked Barnes about a load development that they did not have any published data on. They told me I could not use load data from a traditional cup and core bullet in the same weight as an all copper bullet.

[@claudeturgeon385]

The Mauser M 18 comes in 9.3 ×62 , thats interesting.

[@DuhartCreek]

I was raised as my Dads retriever on the dove field. He shot a Winchester model 50 with an improved cylinder. My first shot gun was an Ithaca 20 gauge pump with an improved cylinder. Seemed to be the best on Georgia dove fields.

[@Sandz_]

Hey Ron, regarding smaller calibers that "grenade" on impact. I wanted to add my own experience: I'm not sure if they sell this bullet anymore, but through years of personal experience, I found a 90gr Remington Core Lokt Hollow Point shot from my inherited Rem 700 BDL .25-06 to be bad medicine for mule deer. Upon autopsy, the animals' we shot all looked like an explosion liquified their lungs. Sometimes we'd even find small lead fragments in the chest cavity. It almost looked like we shot the deer with bird shot at close range. Devastating results. As you stated, the key is to avoid hitting the shoulder. As long as we did that, we were eating deer meat for dinner. Thanks for another great episode. I appreciate your content.

[@CB-68-westcreations]

Your articles have always been great, when I found your KZbin channel, I was hooked. Just too bad I live so far away, you're someone I would like to know. I think we might've actually met years ago, but I didn't connect the dots at the time. Even though I had one of your publications at the time.

[@tyeblaskovich668]

Thank you for the tips on shot size and chokes. Good, useful information. I have used Brake Clean on the carbon deposited in the gas systems of my M1A a d AR's for years and it works great, but I never thought of using brake cleaning fluid in my barrels. I'll give it a try.

[@justahologram2230]

additional note for the shotgun question at the beginning. The type of shot also plays a crucial role in choke selection, steel shot typically patterns one choke tighter than lead and isn't generally recommended in any choke tighter than an improved Modified, I don't have enough experience with tungsten or bismuth to know how their patterns differ from lead. Also, the denser shot material are effective with smaller shot sizes for improved shot patterns, I know quite a few duck hunters that have fallen in love with tungsten 7.5 for everything up through large Mallards

[@cabochris100]

The Mauser 18 is a great rifle! I bought one in 300 Win because it was so affordable. I cut my barrel back to 20 inches for a fun truck/black timber gun. No the 18 is not perfect, but close. Here's what I like about the M18. It's not too heavy. It's ergonomic. Short smooth bolt lift and very fast cycling. A superb trigger. The bolt assembly is field strippable by hand. My flush fitting 300 Win removable box magazine hold 4 rounds! The mag is slick to load... just push em in, and is easy to remove/install. The mag also has an internal shoulder, which holds cartridges in place during recoil. What I do not like... Single feeding is sketchy. Bolt shroud is some polimer plastic. Recoil pad is kind of hard. No stainless yet? Mine is accurate. Now to explain what Ron was talking about the bolt situation... The 18 bolt has dual ejectors with heavy springs. When driving a round into battery, those ejector springs must be compressed, or the bolt won't close. So, one can't limp-wrist an 18. Work the bolt with authority and there are no problems. Slow loading requires an extra push to compress the springs. My guess, and I told Blaser... the springs are too strong. Honestly with use, it gets much better. My Tikkas are fast to load follow up shots, but my M18 seems faster! For the money the M18 is lots of gun! I view mine as a working rifle and love it!

[@robertwainright1361]

Ron, has for the throat burn out, if is a bolt action, you can set the barrel back by as much as 1/4" but normally I see about 1/16 to 1/8" and rechamber the barrel to specs

[@JW...-oj5iw]

Ron communicates. You wrote gibberish.

[@robertwainright1361]

@JW...-oj5iw I have done it on two rifle, one Savage and Remington 700.

[@JW...-oj5iw]

@@robertwainright1361 ... Gibbering.

[@robertwainright1361]

@@JW...-oj5iw prove me wrong then or shut up.

[@JW...-oj5iw]

@@robertwainright1361 ... Subliterate writing is naturally wrong. That you can't write cogently is all on you. As far as proving you wrong, you've already done it from the beginning.

[@CB-68-westcreations]

That mass airflow sensor cleaner, it was mentioned in one of your questions that is a solvent similar to the brake cleaner and is even more precise and leaves absolutely no residue. Some brake cleaners may leave a slight residue behind, but not muvh. mass airflow sensor cleaner is guaranteed to leave absolutely nothing behind. It's a great solvent, especially for carbon.

[@chasedewolf6076]

Enjoy your show and podcasts just wanted to chime in and let you know that smith& Wesson indeed makes a revolver in 350 legend. It's available in Thier x frame model.

[@letsmove1559]

My first mule deer hunt using a 7mm Mauser sportirsed,280 yard ish,behind the shoulder 15 feet was its last path,at the butcher shop it was the biggest of the year,5 pionts by 1 broken by bullets and maybe arrows,pick up day 1 sack of meat??? I being a older meat cutter the owner saved the rest of the remains 3 arrow holes in both hinds,1 fresh bullet hole in front under neck days old rotting,my shot was first day first light of the first day of hunting season, im glad im ethical in my hunting

[@AugustusMcCrae-e8h]

You’re a class act, Ron.

[@Glaudge]

In an interview with John Krieger, a 300 weatherby has a bit longer barrel life than a 243 winchester. Said that the short neck and the oblique shoulder lends to aggressive throat erosion.

[@letsmove1559]

A associate shared with me a deer hunt with 2 22, 250, couldn't get a broad side only a rear and it was taking off,at about 75 yards he took the shot,and hardly had much gutting to do clean up was a real mess,im a retired meat cutter and 1000s of dear and elk under my belt,so few 1 shot kills average 3 magnum calibers shots,most partially field dressed un open chest cavity and sometimes closed crotch,and so many want full weights and steaks and roasts,maybe you can help solve this on your podcast or and a video,thank you you always catch great pionts and i enjoy your time

[@damham5689]

My gramps and dad would load 30-06 low enough for rabbits and up to enough for elk. For low powered loads where the powder will spread out inside the cartridge when its horizonal in the gun, and make for a poor burn situation, gramps and my dad would add a cotton wad on top of the powder to to keep it in place. My dad joked it cleaned the barrel when you shot. I still have the lee 90 grain 30 cal molds they used for rabbit loads.

[@JimmyJusa]

Regarding the discussion starting around 11:00 if you start with a lead free bullet and get the copper from those onto the barrel, if you shot traditional bullets and they are accurate, if you go back to lead free will the initial accuracy still be good or do you still need to remove the copper and start over?

[@andrebeauchamp6160]

You are a very kind Man.

[@alexmorris3106]

The accelerator 30-06 was used by my brother in T.N. he shot a 38 lbs.groundhog at about 350 yards, he loved it, but it was banned because it was not able to get Marks on the bullet, but every 10 shots it had to be cleaned because of the flowing. ECK USMC

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Alex, many viewers claim those sabot Accelerator bullets are illegal, but I've never seen any laws, regulations, or evidence that they are. I'd call that a rural myth. Most ammunition companies load similar sabots for shooting in shotguns, too.

[@ronladuke7235]

I like to angle my barrel down so the solvent doesn’t run back into the action and point the muzzle into a container so the spray of solvent of the brush is mostly captured.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Yes, excellent approach, Ron. Thanks for sharing.

[@jennifermorgan6913]

...always enjoy you show, Ron.

[@mollybug9325]

Good answers on the shotgun and amount of pellet used. I was always too quick with my shots. I ended up loading 3/4 oz and used the improved cylinder choke in my 12 gauge. and still my wife complained about how much pellets were in the pheasant.

[@Miguelperaza-c7v]

I been using alcohol 99% with a patch wrapped around my nylon brush, and lastly using 3 in1 oil .

[@kirkwhitaker6422]

even a steel bore brush will not hurt anything. The steel in a steel brush is way softer than a barrel. You are going to use it to remove the copper and stuff...but it will not hurt the bore in the amount of scrubbing needed to remove fowling in a bore, especially with a good copper solvent. Deposits are not amalgamations....so there is really no chemical bonding going on there.

[@AngloCelt88]

I have a 1930s era sporterized Mauser and I would rather have it than any of your synthetic stock fanboy newer rifles.

[@Gisgreat-v8w]

Saw poor man and was here immediately

[@bekkerbosbeer3453]

Mauser M18 all the way!!

[@leskrug9266]

So this is what I just did for cleaning. My one of my rifles, say Thompson center venture in 708 which I rebuilt it last year by putting a new stock and new scope. New rings and mounts, new trigger guard and new butt pad, , and I read because I went to copper bullets this past year, because I was using nosler partitions in it ever since I bought it which I have shot at least 3 to 400 rounds out of this gun. With that bullet I like to shoot and I practice and that's my go-to gun for hunting, and then I read about cleaning your boar before you start using copper bullets because that's what I went to, so I talked Tetra brand copper bore solvent cleaner and fouling cleaner, which I used a brush with patches wrapped around the brush with that solvent on it which I probably did. 20 patches in that brush ran through it and elk came clean, and then I talk that brush and put tetra gun oil on it, and ran it through there and tell that claim came clean again, and then I took patches and just ran patches through it on a jag until they came out clean. Whichever is very little residue on it, and then I took one patch and ran with tetra gun oil on it, and I wish you could send pictures on KZbin because I'm not on patreon because I got a quarter inch group with five shots of that 708 and her yards which I was getting three quarters of an inch group before I cleaned this gun, and the way I clean this gum before was rem oil, and a boar snake. And when I after I got done running the board snake through it then I'd spray remo oil in it and barrel down. I'd let drip out and that's how I cleaned it and was still getting three quarter inch groups which I was fine with for hunting rifle. So but like Ron says clean it the way you want to clean it. Some guys aren't as picky. Some guys want the utmost accuracy! Which is what I was trying for more accuracy

[@CB-68-westcreations]

I have a theory about those Sabo rounds. I believe the biggest problem with those things was that the Sabo would slip and you wouldn't get the proper spin on the projectile sometimes. if they could overcome that issue, they should work really well. But I don't know anyone who's doing this either, seems to me that a very light texture on the bullet casing might just do the trick..

[@completesystemfailure4669]

Carb cleaner is better . B12 and compressed air . Nowadays if I get 2 bullets in the same hole I call it a Spomer .

[@bryanheimann5370]

I should add, I picked up a Ruger American Gen II, it is a great rifle. It’s not as cheap as a savage axis but it is a much nicer gun.

[@davidnave4349]

Ron , thank you for your channel , I have a point that might be beneficial to a good number of your viewer's. in the podcast I just watched there was a gentleman that brought up a 30/06 as being the ultimate cartridge and then another touting the 300 WM now both of these cartridges are amazing there is no such thing as the ultimate cartridge , I digress what is important is that there are options: barrel burn out ? that doesn't need to be an issue for a hunter obviously mistreatment can cause barrel burn out .However given a 30 Cal weapon its way more reasonable to think in terms of : for reloaders more so than factory ammo shooters the ability to run up and sown the pressure scale. If your shooting a 300 savage shooting a 150 grain bullet and top velocities are maxing out at say 2600 fps or so and by doing that your at the edge of the pressure curve you have to ask yourself the question if I want 2600 fps without over pressure or at the top edge would it not be more reasonable to just buy a 308 and the same could be said for each given bullet dia. out there . Step up in cartridge size and shoot something more comfortable for the bullet and velocity desired. can't wait to hear your take .

[@andrebeauchamp6160]

Thanks 👍

[@stormbringer1876]

Ron, you are an enthusiastic advocate, thanks. Second, I am shaking my head at the "Anti-Bore-Brush" guy. Simply put, if he wants a pristine bore, mount it on the wall to look at and take it down to dust. Ask Kenny Jarret just what he means by "lapping the barrel 1000 times by hand" and his thoughts in depth on the subject. (edited, I missed a zero).

[@Wrythwyn]

Are head shots of uncommon in elk hunting

[@richwood8650]

To Mr. Spomer and listeners; Be aware some if not most brake cleaners are using water, yes water, as inert ingredients. Takes up space and cost little to nothing. Even the best brake cleaners that do not package water, can cause moisture by pulling atmospheric water and condensing it inside the bore. Probably moreso in the Pacific Northwest versus Arizona.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks for the heads up, Rich. I recommend everyone always always follow up a cleaning by lightly oiling all metal parts. Do not leave heavy grease in a bore, but run an oily patch or two down the bore to coat it against rust. Ideally, run a dry patch through before shooting again, but forget and the light oil coating shouldn't raise pressures enough to matter. Heavy grease could.

[@peterluttgens3364]

I’ve always had good results with the Ruger American I have the GoWild in .22mag 6.5 Creedmoor 350 Legend The rifles are sub MOA but I’m afraid I’m not sub MOA Come with picatinny rail Ceracoat & camo stocks Great value

[@markwalker4485]

To our Quebec friend. Take a look at the Mauser model 12. I think you will be more happy with that rifle…just save a little more money. I keep suggesting Winchester model 70 for new owners low on funds I consider the 70 the best all around.

[@agabla]

have an old savage shotgun with a screw on adjustable choke. works awesome

[@letsdothis9063]

Same. Mines a Springfield model 67H. It's made by savage

[@DisDaddey]

Ron do u clean ur rifles after hunting season to be stored away for next hunting season??

[@CB-68-westcreations]

I really like the 300 PRC and I like the 7 mm PRC just a little bit better, but I can't find a good enough excuse to buy another rifle just yet, because my 30-06, 6.5 Creedmoor, 4570 check all of the boxes for what I actually need. The rest is just want, not need. If I were going to start fresh, I would probably still choose a 30-06 because ammo cost starts to matter if you want to stay proficient . The real change I might make would be choosing between the 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 PRC . in that case, I would consider both, then buy a 6.8 western. Lol.

[@sappysiggy2351]

I have been looking for a old Wingmaster 410 with no luck so now 28 is getting a look. Any news if Remington will build 410's anytime soon? I have a 20 O/U I like to carry scouting but the 410 for late season bunnies in deep snow sounds appealing now the freezer is already full ;)

[@wadepederson8457]

I don't know why the Browning AB3 isn't mentioned much, it's economical and accurate rifle and if you would like to improve it a little with a trigger spring which is very simple to install and not expensive and to get the rifle bedded making it stack up against most more expensive models I only mention this because very little is said about it, aim small, good hunting, GOD bless.

[@leskrug9266]

Well I've already commented on this video but now I'm going to comment about the bird shot. So I have a CZ Sharp tail 20 gauge with 26-in barrels and a traeger selector single trigger so I can switch from right or left which one shoots first. And I have a modified choke in one barrel and a full choke and the other because I mainly hunt rabbits with this gun and same thing with birds. You might have one that jumps up at your feet. I want to jumps up at 5 yd or 10 yd or 30 yd

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I do much the same, Les, but I like a 28" barrel for the additional momentum it helps maintain in my swing and follow through. I like an improved cylinder choke plus modified because I get way more bird shooting opportunities at 15 to 35 yards than longer. Enjoy your rabbit hunts!

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

Lovely first letter.