Nowhere else can you get such a perfect blend of ballistics and beautiful story telling on such a consistent basis
@easttexan29332 жыл бұрын
@Justin Mochi I agree
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly, Justin.
@joshsmith3650 Жыл бұрын
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsyou remind me of my grandfather who is no longer with us. When I was too young to appreciate it, he would tell me this kind of data about the different calibers and I’m pretty sure he had forgotten much more than I will ever learn lol. I love the videos and brings back some great memories
@johnsnyder54702 жыл бұрын
I am an old man now, in my 70s after having hunted deer for over 50 years. I have shot deer with 338 Win Mag, various 300 magnums, 30-06, 7MM Remington Mag, 270 Weatherby Mag, 270 Winchester, 264 Winchester Mag, 25-06 Remington, 243 Winchester and lastly a 45 Colt through a Marlin 1894 rifle. I have failed to observe any consistent relationship between caliber/cartridge and effect on lethality. All will kill equably well given good shot placement. Understand, I have never shot at any game in excess of 250 yards and do not regret that self imposed limitation. I wish I could say I have never lost a wounded deer but that would be untrue. I can say the loss had nothing to do with cartridge. I have just recently decided that if I continue to hunt deer, it will be with a 223 Remington as I am convinced it will be as lethal as any other cartridge given proper bullet selection and shot placement. We must remember that thousands of deer are killed with arrows every year.
@andyd29602 жыл бұрын
My niece uses a .223 WSSM for deer and drops them dead. I'm a fan of bigger bullets, but the little ones do the job if you do yours.
@scottsatterthwaite40732 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@michaelcleveland17142 жыл бұрын
I used my ar with hornady american whitetail this year and got a doe and buck the doe dropped where she stood the buck took about 5 steps and was expired
@Phuc_Socialist_You_Tube2 жыл бұрын
An Arrow is not the weanie weapon you seem to think it is. An Arrow weighs many more times than a bullet. It imparts shock as well as killing by hemorrhage. The shaft helps to hold the wound open to expedite bleeding. A broadhead, stuck in a deer continues to slice and chew at arteries and vital organs if the animal continues to move. The .223 was intended to be light weight ammo, that could be carried in greater quantity by soldiers. Because hollow points were outlawed by the Geneva Convention, The .223 bullet was designed, in conjunction with rate of twist, to be unstable and keyhole when it hit the target. This was referred to as the buzzsaw effect. It leaves a vicious wound. The problem is that the .223 can't be counted on to do that in every case. Meaning some hits will be seriously inadequate. Out of respect for the animal, Use enough gun. A good rule of thumb, .24 minumum bore.
@twolak19722 жыл бұрын
@@Phuc_Socialist_You_Tube couldnt agree more, 223 is so I adequate for deer only a complete imbecile would take one. Must really be a lot of pussies out there worried about their shoulders getting hurt from a man's gun.
@georgeboros2632 жыл бұрын
Growing up in eastern Montana, my dad owned a 30-06, a 30-30 and a 22-250. He bought the 22-250 for coyotes. But then he had 5 sons. Needless to say, the 22-250 put down a lot of deer...both whitetails and muleys. I don't ever remember doubting it either.
@cpprcrk18332 жыл бұрын
Had a neighbor growing up who used a Anschutz 153 in .222 Rem and took his Deer every year . Said he never lost one , and only had to shoot two a second time . Granted our Southwest Virginia Bucks were no monsters , but bullet placement and being able to shoot your rifle accurately are the most important part of the game .
@DanielBoone3372 жыл бұрын
It seems like the 22-250 is an underrated cartridge... I've shot a many of deer with it before I started handloading and I always shot the Barnes factory ammo with the 55gr TSX for deer and I never lost one with it. I also had a 22-250AI built and I've shot up to an 80gr ELD-M out to 1000 yards with phenomenal accuracy and I've shot a few deer with the 75gr Gold Dots and 62gr TTSX at about 150ish yards and they just folded up like they were hit by lightning. So I think you hit the nail on the head with this one as always and great video brother keepem coming!!!
@HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy2 жыл бұрын
7mm08 has become my favorite caliber.
@philliphill47632 жыл бұрын
"Hunt honest & shoot straight" ... a great theme!!!
@beavisbrowne34972 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Shot placement cures many ills...I went for prairie goats with an acquaintance equipped with a 300 rum and I a 22-250 with 55 partitions. Mine dropped so fast it disappeared from view. His 11 shots , the three hits on legs and a lucky head finisher. It's the rifleman not the cartridge..within reason
@Steven_Bresky2 жыл бұрын
Ouch!! 11 shots, someone needs some more practice, gentle trigger squeeze and and no flinching
@beavisbrowne34972 жыл бұрын
@@Steven_Bresky yes on all accounts!
@wesadrian69812 жыл бұрын
11 shots on an antelope. Was there anything left?
@beavisbrowne34972 жыл бұрын
@@wesadrian6981 sorry 7 were misses
@SixOFord2 жыл бұрын
11 shots, wow. I usually don't even carry that much ammo haha.
@CJ-zx4zt2 жыл бұрын
harvested a bison this weekend. 243 between the horns 1 shot. its the bullet more than the caliber!! shot placement and bullet choice are always #1 thanks again for another great video
@davidandre8862 жыл бұрын
Another classic from Ron. It also speaks volumes to that partition bullet! Definitely my favorite hunting channel!
@michaelweymouth40152 жыл бұрын
Mine too, I’d like Ron to start long range target gear
@davidandre8862 жыл бұрын
Do you mean like reviewing precision rifle stuff? Like for target shooting etc?
@rogerramjet7567 Жыл бұрын
Great story Ron.
@kalebbreshears53292 жыл бұрын
Shot placement for the win! My first deer was taken with a 22-250 Rem in SW MO and I have been hunting deer here with 223 Rem ever since. My brother still loves his 22-250 for deer out to 300 yards.
@brianhoxworth38812 жыл бұрын
Back in the 1980s-90s. Missouri had .25 cal and above for whitetails. They have since changed it to any centerfire rifle cartridge , I believe..
@donaldmartin49802 жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Chapman And at the end of the day your shoulder has no pain and your eyes are not seeing double, lol. Anything bigger than .270 win is really overkill for deer size game.
@Lure-Benson2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldmartin4980 Not true because hunting also is in many types of terrain . In the Pacific NW we have Hugh canyons to shoot over so a 7 mm Rem mag - 300 win mag and the 300 Wby mag are Highly popular. At times we have shot deer or Rosevelt Elk so far you could only see the horns by using High powered optics. I watch a Rosevelt Elk shot by a 7 mm Rem mag so far away I was using 10x optics to see the horns. The game animals are untouchable by short range deer guns 30-06 !
@donaldmartin49802 жыл бұрын
@@Lure-Benson Lol, I have engaged targets with .30-06 at over a thousand yards, it is hardly a short range cartridge. The average hunter hasn’t got the tools ( military type scope with a mil dot reticle and repeatable accurate adjustments) couldn’t dope wind and bullet drift and drop , let alone shot angle adjustments . They simply don’t have a clue and shouldn’t be engaging living animals beyond 300 yards.
@Lure-Benson2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldmartin4980 WOW ! was that fun spouting allot of hot air BS ! Here in the Pacific NW we have Hugh canyons and often even when I used my 30-30 I like to shoot at rocks across the canyons to see if I could hit then as more often I could so it prove nothing of your spouting off BS
@kingarthur93102 жыл бұрын
I’m so excited! I got a Savage 110 Apex in 6.5 Cm, and it’ll be the first I’ve ever used with a lefty bolt! Thanks for the videos Ron!
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill2 жыл бұрын
Good luck finding 6.5 CM ammo, the real hunt begins there.
@danielcurtis14342 жыл бұрын
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill I’ve got one better!!! Try finding 209 (shotgun) primers for a .50 caliber in-line muzzleloader??? I call my local gun store every so often…do dice for 14 months…nothing!!! Online…nothing anywhere!!! I’ve gotten sick of looking…
@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill2 жыл бұрын
@@danielcurtis1434 I know your pain. fortunately I ran into some 209s awhile back, some I'm good for a little while. If you do find them, they are ridiculously marked up with any primers. Your best luck might be online.
@Mark-uq9km2 жыл бұрын
Good for you for finding the lefty bolt action. As a lefty myself I gravitate to lever action and Remington 7600 which I love. But, last week I found a left hand bolt also in Savage Apex, .350 Legend for hunting with my grandsons who live in Ohio. Reloading is quirky with the Legend so for now it's factory loads.
@jakemarley57832 жыл бұрын
My state Is .24 cal. and over, so yes it will, but giving the warden my truck and guns isn't on the top of my list. So . 243 and 25-06 is popular around here for people who want to do both. Thanks for the common sense content and info Ron👍. And happy and efficient hunting.
@thenauticalhunter7388Ай бұрын
What state?
@jakemarley5783Ай бұрын
@@thenauticalhunter7388 NC
@randalgaff67682 жыл бұрын
If I was able to meet one person in the hunting community it would be Ron. Just love listening to him.
@richardstone5241 Жыл бұрын
For me it's not worth switching to an Ackley for 100 feet per second. I love the 22-250 with a 60 grain bullet also, the 25-06 with 100 grain, the 270 with 140 grain and the 30-06 with a 180 grain bullet. Everybody should have the .22lr, 12 gauge shotgun, 22-250 and one of the last three I mentioned 25, 270 or 30-06. If, I could only have ONE rifle I would choose the 22lr or 12 gauge shotgun (with 6shot, 8 shot and slugs).
@tylarhaugan79082 жыл бұрын
22-250 22-250 ackley favorite loads are 75 swift sirrocco and 77 lrx from barnes works very well
@jackgriffith92292 жыл бұрын
Hunters! This post is excellent and a lot of fun just to hear the hunting story!! I really enjoyed all of the wonky ballistic speak and it sounds like Ron has done homework and hunting and knows of that which he posts!!! Enjoy 🏹🦌🏹🦌🏹🦌🏹🦌
@jctoth2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I probably would have taken the 243 in this situation but as you said… knowing what you have and how to use it is paramount. Thank you.
@bryanjaeck48282 жыл бұрын
The best rifle for me to hunt white tails is a .243, I have shot more deer with .243 that the the .308, 30-06 rifles I also owned. I have shot tmen out to 350 yards successfully....Just my favorite rifle caliber....
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Good old 243 Win and 6mm Rem. are a couple of my favorites, too.
@InTheYear2 жыл бұрын
Got my first coyote while deer hunting in Upstate NY with a 130gr Barnes. Went so fast through him at 125 yards there was minimal damage pelt damage (both entry & exit) I know people who use 243 with varmint grenades and have no exit on larger yotes. Thanks for the content Ron! 👍
@easttexan29332 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Ron. Thank you for sharing that experience with us. Many years ago, a friend of mine shot the 22-250 from ground blinds at deer at 100yds. Neck shot them all. DRT.
@NuManXplore2 жыл бұрын
Love these hunting stories!! Great bullet tips as well. A lot of people here use .223 and .22-250’s for caribou actually.
@forward11652 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! But only if you really know your gun/cartridge and your game. I’ve taken more white tails with my Savage 223 and 52 grain hollow points (because it really likes them) than every other cartridge I have combined mainly because it’s always with me. I keep my shots within 200 yards and always take a heart shot just behind the shoulder. They drop like a rock.
@kurtstewart46382 жыл бұрын
Ken I have a savage 223 as well is that a handload or factory load if factory what brand? Not sure I've ever seen a factory loaded 52 grain.
@vlast81072 жыл бұрын
I love listening to Ron talk. I just started getting into guns for hunting and I've learned a lot from him. Still haven't chosen a rifle yet, but at least I can make a well informed decision.
@gpax-61972 жыл бұрын
Understand your bullet, shot placement and practice practice practice. Love the video!
@googleuser37602 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Ron. My grandad always hunted with a 22-250. He always dropped em dead in there tracks every time.
@johncox28652 жыл бұрын
I had an uncle who was a trapper in Canada before WW II. Lost a few toes there to frostbite. He told me that, during the Great Depression, poachers would spotlight deer (at night, of course) and tap them between the eyes with a .22 Short. Why? Game Wardens couldn’t hear the little thing. I was a kid, so I never quite got around to asking him if HE had ever done that. Bet he did, though 😀
@boogerdog52472 жыл бұрын
You are the FIRST HUNTER/SHOOTER, since an Iowa rabbit and bird hunter told me in the 60's that you start behind, PULL THROUGH, and touch the trigger as the barrel passes running or flying game. I've practiced it myself, and have always had difficulty trying to detail the method to other shooters on some of these utube channels. But kudo's for mentioning an awesome procedure that few hunters know of. Awesome, just awesome! Hadn't heard it metioned by another man, since that early 60's moment, but, I never forgot it.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
That pull through system works beautifully for pass shooting birds, too, from doves to geese.
@boogerdog52472 жыл бұрын
@@RonSpomerOutdoors The man who introduced me as a 12 to 14 year old, was a venerable wing shooter, using a Grand American Winchester, and everything they hunted in Iowa, on the ground or in the air, was movin' out fast. I can't tell you, how your comment resonated with me, as you covered the topic so quickly, but comprehensively, it was like the flick of a deer's ear in deep south brush...but I caught it. So few are aware of the concept, let alone the practice, and you are the only person to speak of this method, since that day long ago in early 60's that I've heard it mentioned. Wish you'd devote a video to the topic and see how it generates interest. Both you and I are aware, it works. The success, lies in the barrels "tracking" as the swing synch's with the game...I'll not give away the "break timing" in hopes of your taking it from here. Stuff of pros...it's what you do, and why we are here. Again, kudo's Sir.
@ironmikehallowween2 жыл бұрын
A 243 seems like a good compromise for both coyotes and deer with proper bullet construction designed for each purpose.
@donaldmartin49802 жыл бұрын
My REM 700 BDL .243, has been keeping my freezer full since 1977…..elk are the only critter I hunt that requires me to break out my .30-06.
@jeffbadger4622 жыл бұрын
A button will work on an outhouse door ,but they make better things. Use a gun that is made for deer if they are on the menu. It will also work on coyotes with no problem. The .22 calibers are not really deer cartridges even if people feel the need to use them. Just my opinion.
@coinboss58182 жыл бұрын
The .243 is the most popular deer cartridge in the UK. Duals as a fox blaster as well.
@donaldmartin49802 жыл бұрын
@@coinboss5818 I can’t argue with that choice, I have been using mine now for 45 years. Still keeps ‘‘em inside an inch all day if I do my part correctly.
@Dave-ti2ue Жыл бұрын
It's what I started with for whitetails. Never had a problem with it. Put them down just fine.
@PostalBound2 жыл бұрын
Great story Ron. I believe in the ballistic research as well. While I'm not a fan of 22 cal for deer hunting, I have done my fair share of nuisance tags for does using an old Model 70 Varmiter in 225 Winchester. Using 53 gr x bullet around 3350 fps. Within 200 yards, I have to admit, it knocks them down and out. Keep in mind I'm on sandbags inside box blind. Typical shot straight up the leg, lower 1/3 chest cavity generally dropped them in their tracks. All the meat was either used by my family or donated to others. Point is, many combinations will work. It is up to the hunter to know his equipment and load limitations. The animals deserve nothing less than our best effort to harvest cleanly and humanely.
@scrider54932 жыл бұрын
Loved the Hunting Story, thanks.
@kenthiasoutdooradventures22942 жыл бұрын
I had open heart surgery about five years ago, only 3 weeks before the Idaho deer opener. My surgeon said "absolutely no shooting of rifles or shotguns. The recoil will rip open you sutures". So, do you really think I skipped deer season that year? Hell no! I simply toted my light-recoiling 22-250. Shooting 55 grain Noslers, I shot a small buck at 150 yards and dropped him in his tracks.
@jeffking62862 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats the good ole .30/06.....
@mertonsilliker36862 жыл бұрын
After 23 years hunting in Alberta I saw your story unfold many times. Nice buck.
@johnwenzel Жыл бұрын
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@johnkaraphillis7542 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed video and the story. Thanks Ron!
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@bandanabanana31622 жыл бұрын
I had a similar experience. I was hunting for coyote and I heard what sounded like a bunch of horses running in my direction. Now I'm in Northern Georgia (US) and it's pretty thick where I'm set up. I had a friends AR-15 with only open sights and I'm in a pop-up blind. It was to my advantage as that's what I trained with in the military. So I see the first buck and it looked like a Midwest monster and 6 doe were following and in the rear was another big buck all in about 65 to 70 yards. One doe got turned around and bleated so the rear buck turned around and nudged her in the right direction so without much thought I made a "bleating noise" and he turned around again and I was lined up in the instant and as I squeezed the trigger he had turned back around so instead of a heart shot I clipped the inside of the rear spine. He wasn't going far so I got out of the blind and went ahead and finished him off. I had a friend not too far away who had come up as he heard the 3rd shot and if it weren't for him nobody would have believed my story of a 15 point buck with an AR. He was so heavy after being field dressed we had to get another friend to help us get it in the back of a little Ford ranger and it was a struggle. That is likely the best true deer story that I will ever have.
@Eric--zs6um2 жыл бұрын
Always wanted fast twist 22-250AI. Have 243 9 twist so I guess I'll be ok. Lol. Enjoy your channel slot. Thank you sir.
@rangetime67792 жыл бұрын
Great advice and you have wonderful stories to share
@FredHenry18503 ай бұрын
I love hearing you tell your hunting stories.
@Jeff_Seely2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Ron and thank you for the knowledge I gained about bullet energy. We have been using Nosler partition bullets for deer hunting since I was a kid and we have always been very happy
@codyj75322 жыл бұрын
Hey Ron, I have a similar story but with a 223. I was in my blind with plans of a 50 yard shot on a whitetail. As I was setting up on my deer a decent buck came running up. I shoot the round on yotes a lot , so I ended up making a 300 yard shot. Heart shot, dead deer. Problem is, the bullet was going so slow it was unable to expand and it passed clean through the deer. While it was a kill, it was an example of what not to do.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Yes, 300 yards is really stretching a 223 Rem. for deer. Even highly frangible bullets reach velocities at which they perform more like traditional cup-cores and even solids. I once engaged a running feral hog at about 125 yards, 150 yards max with a 221 Fireball. The little 50-gr. V-Max penetrated to the offside shoulder hide and looked like a classic cup-core mushroom. Such bullet performance, as you saw, requires a precise heart, perhaps lung hit to create sufficient hemorrhaging.
@BrucesShop2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron
@stephenhair55012 жыл бұрын
Nice follow up Ron. Amazing what a good bullet and velocity can do. Thank you for sharing and stay well. God Bless.
@letsgobrandon40432 жыл бұрын
Ron I’ve taken deer and kangaroo with .22lr many occasions. Just last Saturday night I took 3 Roos Shot placement is key
@ronlowney47002 жыл бұрын
Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - "Rambo", I like your style! 😁🤭😂🤣
@letsgobrandon40432 жыл бұрын
@@ronlowney4700 legend I like yiur style mate
@dennislydon-dt4mq Жыл бұрын
Great video Mr. Spomer, thanks for sharing your story. I always learn something from your videos, and cherish your wisdom. I saw your incredible interview with Backfire, and Mr. 45 and really enjoyed them.
@tradmanmike33602 жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO RON! I LOVE THE 22-50! I MISS THE FOLKS AT BROWNELLS, TURNS OUT THEY MISS ME TOO. SO, I START BACK NEXT WEEK! RETIREMENT IS FOR OLD PEOPLE! LOL... I WILL TELL THEM YOU SAID HELLO. I BRING YOUR NAME UP FREAQUENTLY TALKING WITH CUSTOMERS AND ALWAYS RECOMMEND YOUR CHANNEL. GOOD STUFF RON!
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on getting back to work at Brownells. Great company with every tool we need.
@andrewrunnion35572 жыл бұрын
My Uncle had a 22-250 and I took a shot from hillside to hillside in West Virginia close to 35 years ago. It was a nice 5 Point buck. Everyone said it was around a quarter mile shot. I am not sure. Just put the cross hair on the top and shot. Around 2 hours later is what it took to get to the deer 🦌. It opened up its lungs fast. Not sure I think it was a 60 grain bullet. The biggest deer I have killed was with a 22 long rifle Henry. We just needed the meat.
@JULIANBRACHFELD6 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing that Ron ! I can tell you what that cartridge's daddy, the 250 Savage does to the vitals with a traditional broadside shot, and it was messy. The larger of the 2 does walked about 25 feet and dropped, the other flipped on its back and DRT. No blood trail, none necessary. That was with a 87gr pill. I've also harvested with the 22 Savage Hi Power. Same shot. 70gr pill. Same results. As long as your POI is good, you shouldn't have to chase them too far.
@tonnywildweasel81382 жыл бұрын
Never stop learning. Thanks for sharing sir. Greets, T.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@tdeberry712 жыл бұрын
Years ago, the county I live in only allowed .22 caliber center fire for deer hunting. Some used .223 but most hunted with the .22-250, and it did the job quite well. Now when you are restricted in such ways, the ballistic information of every grain weight of every loading is the most important information you can have. Back then, in the mid 1990's, there wasn't a whole lot of choices when it came to .22-250 ammo. So the ballistics were my best resource when it came to distance shooting.
@andymorel46452 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron, great video again 👍, you always amazed me with your stories. I am just like you, I remember a lot of details from my hunts and like to chair them. My experience with the 22.250 is a medium buck on the run and it glued him on the spot.
@paulblake46342 жыл бұрын
I shot my first whitetail with a 10 inch Thompson Contender in 222 Remington, 50 grain soft point factory ammo, a little under gunned but at 50 yards it worked, I have shot another 20n 0r so whitetails with a 55 grain soft point out of a Remington 788 in 22-250, pretty incredible kill shots most of the time. Last year I took a large 10 point whitetail with a 22-250 AI with a 62 grain Barnes TTSX at 65 yards, frontal quartering shot that entered the chest and came out the flank, he ran about 60-70myards and folded up. I have also shot feral pigs both with a standard 22-250 with 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips and the 22-250-AI with Barnes TSX, both work well with behind the head/neck shots or broadside chest shots at 100 yards or less is DRT.
@scottschmidt75172 жыл бұрын
Small caliber Nosler Partition bullets are the worst! So much meat ruined from 223 and 243 projectiles our family uses em for target practice. They were found to bounce around the chest cavity turning everything into a nasty mix, then exiting out a hind quarter. My mom’s buck had a 2” patch hide blown off the right rump. Going to try Barnes TTSX and see if there is any difference.
@leeschilleman95752 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Keep them coming. Lots of great info.
@armedmariner2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Ron. As usual. I love 22-250 for deer. I love 60 gr Nosler Partitions. Never shot one over couple hundred yards. Like neck shots. Flat quick shooting and you can see the hit in the scope. Fun. I don’t have or use a chronograph. I just shoot at 100, 200, 300 and 400 to test actual drop of actual load in actual rifle. I make a small table on Excel. I then laminate it. I then tape it to my scope. Now I know my hit zones at each yardage. I never hunt by adjusting my scope elevation. Max I will do is hold horizontal reticle at top of back. 22-250 on deer is a pole ax.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have your system honed to perfection, Armedmariner. Well done.
@robvanbramer6197 Жыл бұрын
Ron love your stories. Nosler partitions are my favorite bullets.
@masongiroir13652 жыл бұрын
25-06 is the best for everything in that area
@460style2 жыл бұрын
Good video from a veteran Hunter. Thanks Ron !!
@johnknouse88462 жыл бұрын
I think legally in Nebraska, you have to be shooting a rifle/cartridge combo capable of at least 900 ft/lbs at 100 yards. In some states, .243 is the smallest caliber allowed to take a whitetail. I’ve always been taught, at least 1,000 ft/lbs, but I know guys who hunt with their .223 AR’s (which I just wouldn’t be comfortable doing), which drops below that threshold at just over 100 yards. As always, shot placement is the most important part of the equation.
@craigsmith92332 жыл бұрын
When I coyote hunt I love to damage the pelt, fur and body. More damage the better. I use my 7mm rem mag, nosler 140 gr B Tip. Same as I use on deer
@bobkat16632 жыл бұрын
Great Show. Nosler Partitions are the best.
@yooper7753 Жыл бұрын
My daughter uses a Thompson Center Encore 24” 223 Remington rifle barrel with a 1 in 12” rifling twist rate. I handload Nosler’s 60 grain Partition bullets with H4895 powder . I keep her shots under 100 yards and every deer she shoots only needs one shot. Excellent tough little deer bullet.
@Bayan19052 жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons I like the .243 Winchester. I would run lighter handloads for coyotes and make darn sure I would keep a couple 100 grain loads on me, especially if I were out there where I could see a deer from a distance. Either that or maybe a .257 Roberts.
@cato76692 жыл бұрын
This is fast becoming my favourite channel 👍🦌💥
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@404nitro2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Ron! If that pic near the end was that buck from the story.....................that was one nice buck! Congrats (even though it appeared to be several years back).
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Yes it was
@extractandeject69342 жыл бұрын
Like I always say, bullet construction is everything. I learned form experience the very first time hunting deer with a .223 that varmint bullets are not deer bullets. As a matter of fact, high velocity cartridges can turn plain FMJ bullets into very effective projectiles due to their penetration and tumbling. However if you’re going to use any .22 caliber cartridge to hunt deer, stick with monolithic expanding copper projectiles such as Barnes and Hornady GMX. Penetration to reach vital organs is everything.
@tylerbrown44832 жыл бұрын
Yeah, assuming a double lung shot and full penetration, I don’t know that there’s enough difference between a .223 and a 300 win mag to say so. Both animals are going to experience rapid circulatory collapse in something like 10-15 seconds, maybe just a few seconds faster with the bigger and higher energy bullet. The big difference is when external factors affect shot placement. from just plain poor marksmanship to taking a shot at a weird angle that affects penetration. Or shooting farther than you should because you get a poke at the animal of a lifetime. People do all those things, and when the rifle in play is only sufficient for the ideal, and it’s suddenly tasked with real world work, it might not be up to the task.
@chrisdaniel1339 Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with solid copper expanding bullets, why would I want to use a Nosler Partition if it may only retain 60% of its weight.
@woodywoodpecker36432 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best commentaries yet.
@phild98132 жыл бұрын
I’ve posted these comments before, but I’ve taken a number of pronghorn now with a 223 70 grain tsx. One shot kills. The farthest was certainly less than 150 yards, maybe 135. All pass through shots; I’ve never recovered a bullet. I’ve also killed a couple hogs with it, and coyotes. Working on setting up a bolt action for it now.
@wiseguysoutdoors29542 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. I took my first 2 deer with the. 222 Remington with stouter made bullets in 55 gr. Both didn't go 40 yds. Proper bullet, energy, distance and bullet placement.
@fabulousoffroaddesigns50802 жыл бұрын
Love the story! Awesome that you use a 22-250AI. My go to is a Remington 600 Mohawk in 250 Savage with a an 80 gr TTSX. I considered AI-ing it but to me the efficiency of the Savage cartridge design makes it perfect. I also don't want to lose that extra cartridge in the magazine. I've even used it on black bear 🐻. One shot DRT.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Not many still using the 250 Savage, Fabulous. Congrats to you. But I'm not understanding how going to AI would compromise magazine capacity. Cartridge width and length don't change. What am I missing?
@fabulousoffroaddesigns50802 жыл бұрын
@@RonSpomerOutdoors well because of the staggered feed in the blind magazine of my 600 Mohawk, and the tapered angle of the cartridge you gain 1 round. You see the spring and base plate are designed in such a way that the front of the base plate will not compress as much as the rear of the base plate. This is partly what pushes the front of the cartridge upward during the clambering/forward motion of the bolt. You see; when you load a magazine with straight wall cartridges, the spring and base plate don't max out at the rim end of the shell, it maxes out at the shoulder first. So because the diameter of the sholder is smaller the stagger becomes wider and less deep, therefor you can fit more rounds in the same space. So my gun was a 308 which has a 3 round magazine, but it fits 4 Savage cartridges due to that slight taper. Try it with your magazine. Load it with 22-250AI rounds, then empty it then load it with regular 22-250 ammo and see if you would get an extra shot. The issue for me with the AI or the Creedmoor, or the 243, is with the straight wall you use 20-35% more powder, and only gain 2-8% more energy, but lose 25-33% magazine capacity.
@TRGarza-rv8pk2 жыл бұрын
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 Interesting analysis, focusing on efficiency !!!!
@eddiexoc84302 жыл бұрын
Another great video.
@matthewknight19102 жыл бұрын
I always love listening to your stories, particularly when you’re talking about one of my favourites in the .22-250 Thanks Ron!
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@stevenboggs50762 жыл бұрын
The ballistics just make me appreciate the 6.5 Grendel even more! I wish it had published "bolt only" loads with "approved" rifles like with the ARC.
@magicdaveable2 жыл бұрын
I too love the 6.5 Grendel. I have a Howa. I have been shooting 6.5x55 SE since the 1960's. It is my favorite caliber. I am an "Old Guy" and will never have the opportunity to hunt an Alaskan Brown Bear but am certain a 160 gr. Solid Copper PSP BT would harvest one of those huge bears. Of course shot placement is important. My Husky Swedish Mauser is still a pristine tack driver but these days I carry my Howa 6.5 Grendel in the woods. It's a truly great whitetail harvester.
@patrickmurray94092 жыл бұрын
Here in Arizona our whitetail get a hundred pounds for a big one . A good hunting buddy always used a 22 250. He never lost a one,shot placement an a decent range.
@5.56_Media2 жыл бұрын
Man has knowledge! Always look forward to learning more
@cervus-venator2 жыл бұрын
Funny in that question came up last night on a live chat. Someone was asking about a calibure good for deer and coyote that will not destroy the pelt. Several suggested the .243 and I mentioned the 6mm Remington. I did see some say the 22-250 and I stated a .223 Remington works well too. This was for close range of 150 yards or less. I mentioned that I had shot several coyotes with my .270 and the person that originally posted the question was really inquiring about the .270 and damage to pelt. I told him damage was small as I wasn't shooting the shoulder so the exit wound was not very big. Of course my coyote shots with the .270 were not for pelts either. Personally I'd use the .223 Remington or the 6mm Remington for both deer and coyotes in his situation. Thanks as always Ron for the information!
@cervus-venator2 жыл бұрын
@emskirchner Oger Good point. FMJ will delivery the energy and shock to kill, but result in little damage to the pelt. Thanks.
@flyonbyya2 жыл бұрын
I lived in South Africa in the 80’s, but never hunted…only worked I want to go with Ron to hunt there ! I’d pay the whole bill !!
@ronlowney47002 жыл бұрын
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - If Ron isn't up for that, let me know! We will see if he is paying attention today? 😉 What do you hunt there??? 🐃🦓🦁🐯🦏🐘🦄😁
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Break out your credit card and let's go, flyonbyya! I know some great outfitters there.
@ronlowney47002 жыл бұрын
🤠 Oh, that would be fun! 😁 But as for me, I am working on my house right now and getting ready to sell it while the market is good! 😓 Just no time to play right now! 😭 But, a man has to have his priorities straight! 🤑
@11ccom2 жыл бұрын
More good stuff...what a good story.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@Tailfeatherz2 жыл бұрын
I moved to Montana 20 years ago and it's been bang flop 1 shot kills with 7mm08 308 and 3006 except for one cow elk that needed two. Then I thought I'd take me 6mm Rem out and sure enough I shoot a big mulie like I've done for 19 years and he went down feet in the air. But as I was getting my gear he jumps up and runs off. 100 gr Sierra two hundred yards chip shot. Since being in Montana I've heard of about 8 times of the 243 failing. We have big deer so use something 6.5 and up.
@ronlowney47002 жыл бұрын
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - Yep! 😉 We do have BIG deer (Big Elk, Moose, and Buffalo, etc.. too) here in Montana! 🦌 And, that is why I use a 270 Winchester! 😁
@popman100012 жыл бұрын
This was so cool
@frankgagas95692 жыл бұрын
I have that same shirt. I bought it at Costco. I love the pockets!!!
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Frank, were you the guy grabbing that shirt I was about to pick off the pile? Fortunately I found another hidden under the blue ones. Cozy shirts, but you've got to watch the shrinking during the wash/dry.
@davejones672 жыл бұрын
Another great video Ron!
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Pawcatfoxwolf2 жыл бұрын
My first deer I ever shot was a doe with my 222 Remington.
@lcjjr.67142 жыл бұрын
The .243 Winchester is one of the best all around coyote and deer cartridges ever made. It’s readily available in many rifles, flat shooting and deadly.
@troy9477 Жыл бұрын
Love the hunting stories with photos. Please do more of them. Your description of the bullet performance is why the Partition was and is a worldwide standard. I start at 30-30 in power level and go up from there, but i do have a Savage Edge in 223 i could use. It all depends. My big interest right now is a 6.5 PRC, followed by 25-06. But i need to actually hunt something. Lol
@NHGUIDE882 жыл бұрын
Great story and education. I often use the 1/4 second rule for most of my hunting. The Distance with Time of Flight of 1/4 second is about as far as I will shoot in unsupported field conditions. Once again, that requires a good understanding of the external ballistics of whatever you are carrying.
@Wootangtw2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video buddy… thanks
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, Tommy. Thanks.
@jonaldridge60402 жыл бұрын
Can’t stop watching Ron, great information. Maybe you could cover the .22 High Power sometime?
@roberthorrar59392 жыл бұрын
Try a .224 Valkyrie with 90 gr. bullets. Flat shooting and a legitimate 500 yard cartridge. On varmints much longer. Like to see a comparison of high speed 22’s. My 22-250 was re-barreled with a 1-8 twist and it likes bullets up to 77 grains. That really extends the range.
@kevingaddis72762 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron for another great video.
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@thebigsurg2 жыл бұрын
Here in South Africa the harvesters use the 223 and 22-250 to cull eland.
@jmfa572 жыл бұрын
A friend has used 22-250 to harvest California Blacktail deer on land his dad owns right in the middle of busy Southern California, and has done so for well over 40 years. Our deer are far smaller than the midwestern whitetail, but deer be deer, and my buddy always has some venison. Great video as always, Ron, I just noticed that I've been enjoying them for many months thinking I was subscribed, but wasn't. D'Oh! Old age ain't pretty, lol!
@veteranironoutdoors83202 жыл бұрын
All the nuisance animal removers I know who mainly deal with removing animals from airports prefer 223, 22-250, and 220 swift. The fast light bullets create massive hydraulic shock that anchor the animals on the spot. Also, the channel “long range hunting group” has a video showing how a 223 out performs a 50BMG on deer.
@Peter-od7op2 жыл бұрын
Wrong on many accounts.
@mountainview5402 жыл бұрын
I live in a state you're not allowed to use anything under . 23 caliber Hearing what other people can do with light calibers is always interesting
@GunFunZS2 жыл бұрын
Me too. I'm using 165 grain 30_06. It will do the job on anything legal for me to shoot, within the limits of my practice.
@mountainview5402 жыл бұрын
@@GunFunZS I use 180 grain 30 06...works for Me
@NorthRiverGuide2 жыл бұрын
Those limitations are put in place to give the avg fudd a better chance at bagging the animal they are shooting at. Those limitations are faulty though. On deer I would definitely prefer to be able to use a 22-250 and 75gr bullet over a 9mm pistol cartridge.
@mountainview5402 жыл бұрын
@@NorthRiverGuide it would be legal to use a PCC 9mm here. I want too say there Is a minimum foot lbs for pistol hunting. But I agree, the rules are silly in a way. A 223 72 gr is a no go but 10mm pistol is fine
@farmerdave93122 жыл бұрын
Lot's of people getting excellent results from the 22creed using 75-88eldm on deer, pigs and even elk.....just a little more speed than the 22-250 and a faster twist.......thanks again for another good vid
@FantomWireBrian2 жыл бұрын
White tail is a very interesting animal . I shot a white tail in a shotgun zone.and hit a medium sized six point at 20 yards with a 12 gage slug. The shot took off the top of the heart and broke a leg leaving. The buck ran 80 yards. The same year I hit a 5x5 bull elk with a 270 W 150 grain Nozzeler at long range and hit the top of the heart just breaking a rib going in . The elk made it 50 yards. Pound for pound the white tail is very underrated. The slug though ruined a lot of meat and at that range a 20 gage slug would've been fine. The problem is a 270 at the same range is overkill. Many still believe in the rifle zone believe the 30-30 is a better choice. Recently in Minnesota the caliber has been lowered. The recommended choice is now the 22/250. . I like the 243 , but both should work . At long range the 270 W is best . 😎
@FantomWireBrian2 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to be able to detune a 270 W when the shot is under 200 yards . Then you would have one caliber to take While tail, otherwise a 270 is over kill . 😎
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Fantom, your 12 gauge anecdote is a perfect answer to Poker of bears comment. There just is no cartridge/bullet that can guarantee what he and most of us would like -- instant lights out. We do the best we can.
@FantomWireBrian2 жыл бұрын
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yes definitely . I had the sorry job of putting down a deer poorly shot . I've had some myself ,but this time I didn't have a gun . I had to put and arrow in it and I still feel bad because I couldn't put the arrow in the head and wasn't going to wait for a firearm and watch it suffer. All good hunters should have compassion for anything they hunt . 😎
@vincegordon68302 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Ron, I always enjoy it when you have a real world experience to relate to the subject you are discussing! Thanks for sharing!
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@benschildgen49942 жыл бұрын
I've seen several deer taken with cartridges from .222- 243
@darrenrichard64992 жыл бұрын
Can you teach me how to grunt like that Ron? 😆
@RonSpomerOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if you were here. I suck air in over my soft palate and uvula at back of mouth/throat. Not much air needed. Modify the tone by mouth shape.