Old School Grudge Match: New M70 Winchester vs. New M700 Remington!

[@Westerner_]

Model 70: CRF Massive claw extractor Three position safety that locks bolt on safe Model 700 Push feed Baby extractor Two position non locking safety M70 all day every day

[@CZ49]

I wanted a Kimber Montana when they came out. The first couple of years had a safety that looked like Winchester but they were 2 position. They later changed it to a true 3 position. Then I bought one in 308.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

Model 70 for the win, all day, every day and twice on Sunday. It got there first and got there best. Winchester made them for a quarter century or so before Remington even got their M700 to market. The Model 70 is called "The Rifleman's Rifle" for good reason. Let's not forget the champion as far as being the bolt-action produced for the longest continuous uninterrupted production run: The Savage Model 110, which is a legend in its own right. This title used to belong to the M70, but Savage passed them, and is still making M110 rifles even today. I am partial to the old wood-and-steel ones, which can be both tremendous bargains and stellar performers, too. Savage is renowned for the quality of their barrels, and their rifles often perform as well as models costing two or three times as much.

[@grob25]

Finally! A real range day on video. I can't tell you how many times I have gone to the range and had all of these problems at once. I know you have too. Thank you for the transparency. A lot of new shooters think that everyday at the range should be perfect because, that is what they saw on the internet.

[@garrytalley8009]

I think most shooters have. I have even been so bad as to take the wrong bullets or just forget something I really needed for testing a load. It's pretty bad when you drive a long way and then can't even shoot.

[@mtnhunter5578]

I have used a Rem 700 .308 in Iraq and Afghanistan and it worked quite well. I currently own a Rem 700 30/06 for hunting and it is extremely accurate. I also own and hunt with a CRF Model 70, having used both extensively I would choose the Model 70 hands down every time...its called the Rifleman's Rifle for a reason.

[@GlockPerfectionDawg]

Stick with the 700 for reliability

[@mtnhunter5578]

@@GlockPerfectionDawg LMAO...now thats funny.

[@Northspy49]

Agreed, I really like both models, but I give the nod to the M70.

[@BourbonPrepper]

​@Gunsandbunsmma Remington Arms no longer exists. This is a brand new startup from Roundhill Group LLC and they own the name; which is now RemArms LLC. And nobody I know moved from here in Ilion down to LaGrange GA so it's all new employees fresh out of machining schools in GA.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

@@mtnhunter5578yes, very funny!

[@ridgerunner6211]

I'm a Remington fan myself, I love the 700 series ❤

[@GunBlue490]

GunBlue490 lookin at ya. That was a lot of work, but I think both companies unfortunately dealt you bad hands! I've owned just about an equal number of fine Model 700s and Model 70s through a period of 50 years in their various iterations. My favorite calibers were 270 Winchester, 22-250, and 30-06, but there were others. Up until FN Herstal acquired Winchester, my experience with accuracy tended to favor the Remington overall, though I had a spectacularly accurate sub-MOA Model 70 '06 that I bought at K-Mart in 1974 for $124.95, which I unfortunately let go when a pretty Model 700 came along. Fortunately, it shot just as well, but I traded it for a new Sako 270. A cop's wage allowed for one fine rifle at a time! In large measure, the 700 and 70 rifles shot decently out of the box, averaging on the order of 1.5 MOA with developed handloads, but I had fits of flyers with both. Once free floated with epoxy action bedding and with triggers tuned to 2.5 to 3 pounds, both makes could routinely shoot sub-MOA on any given day, as I've discussed on my GunBlue490 channel. Enter FN. They completely turned a new chapter with factory free floating, two-point epoxy bedding, adjustable trigger to a crisp 3.5 pounds - I sure wish it could go a bit further -, and of course, they brought back controlled feeding, which is just so nice. I haven't been on an African safari, but I have had serious issues with push feed while hunting in icy wet snows. Now, when you measured your Model 70 trigger to 4.5 pounds against the 700 at a full pound less, along with the fact that a Featherweight is more sensitive to trigger movement, I said to myself "I hope he adjusts that trigger before he starts with the tests!" That extra pound will easily add another inch or more to any group with such a light rifle, notwithstanding the heavy scope. As you know, stabilizing rifle mass from one end to the other is different than scope weight that's just pivoting at the hinge point of the rifle's CG. I've demonstrated the incredible performance of the FN built Model 70s in a few of my productions. The Shot Show special edition 257 Roberts Featherweight possesses accuracy with all bullet weights that is absolutely astounding. Ditto the Featherweight 22-250. The Standard weight 270 has shot many 3/8" groups and averages 3/4" with plain vanilla Hornady 130 grain Spire Point handloads. I invite you to watch my six year old video entitled " Shooting the .257 Roberts Model 70 ~ Smashing the heavy barrel lie". Thanks for your good work, Ron.

[@CZ49]

Those M70's from 1964 redesign were sure ugly but grouped very well.

[@joesebia6138]

Gunblue and Ron S 😊

[@justaballer9579]

Love your channel gun blue! Glad you popped in here. I’d love to see you two work together on something with the M70. I also have a FN m70 in 30-06 but it’s a super grade and shoots cheap ammo amazingly well. 180grain rem core-lokt psp.

[@BabaBlueJay]

I'm a Winchester guy, I root for Remington to return to their glory days but I am afraid that they still have some work to earn the trust back.

[@keithprinn720]

Both became terrible versions fact, some of the latest 70s have pre 64 action I read. So much more than accuracy. Owning a classic wood stock version is like owning a classic car, guitar or similar. Especially a hand me down from a family member.

[@danmarcell3167]

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Remington 700 and it's problems came from idiot owners whom used junk lacquered cased ammunition

[@OneCanisLupus]

I use my 1903 Remington in 30-06, iron sights, floating barrel, and have not had any issues with it. I'm looking to get a scope mount tapped and drilled for. 😬

[@thegreeninvasion5511]

Can’t beat a model 70 in a bolt! Winchester all the way👍🏻👍🏻

[@JamesClark-lw6sw]

Ron Spomer is NOT a good rifle shot.

[@Traveler-po3oe]

I'm in my late 60s. I grew up shooting both the model 70 and the 700. I have taken game with both. I'm a retired L/E and have instructed many people with both pistol and rifle. I purchased a Model 700 in 1981. It was manufactured in 1979( I purchased it new). One day at the range, I closed the bolt and my rifle discharged. I thought that I must have had my finger on the trigger, so I fed another round. The rifle discharged again. I contacted Remington regarding this issue. Remington told me that the discharge was due to poor maintenance on my weapon. I place the 700 in the back of my gun safe for almost 20 years. After watching the results of numerous law suites against Remington. I replaced the trigger with a very good trigger. No additional discharges have occurred. I love my 700, but I also love my Model 70.

[@shaunzimmerman661]

walker triggers. if they are adjusted by someone who doesnt know what thry are doing this will happen and if u go to light! mostly is was because trigger was made lighter and at the same time it makes less sear engagement. u need to adjust both!

[@BourbonPrepper]

​@@shaunzimmerman661There's 3 screws on the Walker trigger. And you're right - they all need to be tuned correctly. But I'll take a Mike Walker trigger over the XMP, but a $120 Timney beats them all.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

@Traveler-po3oe - Your experience with the Remington M700 trigger is unfortunately not an isolated one, which is why the company got sued and lost some years ago on that very issue. Remington is arguably the oldest name in American firearms still a going concern, and they once made a great product, but about decade ago or may a bit longer, their quality did a dive and those of us in the retail FA/accessories business stopped recommending them (at least that's what I did). Their older rifles were very good, though, and if you can find a BDL or other vintage M700 they're a great value for the buck. Winchester set the standard for many decades, but when Remington came out with the M700 their management foolishly decided to risk the M70 name by cutting corners to compete on cost instead of quality. Not only did the sporting arms & hunting market react badly - but the firm lost its military contract to Remington, whose M700 replaced the M70 in the Marine Corps, et al. Winchester eventually reversed course and got over their unforced mistake, but the damage was done vis-a-vis military contracts. Today's Model 70 is a superb rifle, of custom or near-custom quality for a price much less than a custom rifle. And as ever, they are more accurate than most of the people shooting them.

[@CZ49]

@@GeorgiaBoy1961 I prefer the simple old style M70 trigger. The moa trigger is hype, is no better.

[@josephrogers8213]

​@@GeorgiaBoy1961Remington knew made no changes and continued to lie

[@Squizzle-56]

My M70 from 1980, 243, push feed, has never failed!!

[@justwanttobeleftalone9316]

Same here m70 22-250 only dramas where worn out reloaded brass 1980 to present nearly up for a new barrel .ps just bought a Remington 700 in 25-06 love them both .cheers from an Aussie. Mod 70 rules

[@DuhartCreek]

I have a Remington model 7 in 243. Purchased in 1997. Always had great groups at the range. One trip conditions were just right, 3 shots I could cover with a dime.

[@blairgraves7541]

This video is just conformation as to why I like older rifles and hand loaded ammo, great video

[@keithprinn720]

if you ignore 25 years of poor builds.

[@chucksherron]

​@@keithprinn720 what is your definition of an older rifle?

[@larrywilliams2359]

I’ve always preferred the REM 700 for accuracy, looks and fit! Have had up-teen over the yrs. from 223 to the 300 ultra mag. all have been very accurate! Never had any issues with safety or accidental discharge. The # 1 action for rebuild in the past is a REM 700 action for a reason ! The two hardest kicking mules I’ve ever shot was in the Win. model 70, in 300 Win mag. one being a pre 64. REM needs to pay great attention to their Q C, all eyes are on the new company !

[@oldnumber5866]

I’ve got a Garmin and can’t believe I’ve lived without one all this time. A couple of years back I walked into a local gun store and saw it up on the rack. The classic lines and beautiful wood made it stand out among all those plastic stocks. It was a Winchester Model 70 in 270 Winchester. There was no way I was walking out without it. It shoots around 1 moa which is just fine for a hunting rifle. I’ve own Remingtons before but they just don’t compare with the Winchester.

[@toddhall5565]

In 1989, my dad bought me my first bolt action rifle as a high school graduation gift. I picked out a Weatherby Vanguard in .300 Winchester Magnum. It came with a target shot at the factory and had the 3 shot in 1.5" guarantee. I started reloading after a few years and had 168 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips shooting 5 shot groups of under .75", they're great rifles.

[@okeydokey2766]

I have that exact model 70 FW 30-06 and it hates accubond bullets. I can’t get better than 2” groups with it. But I can get 1” with other types pretty consistently. Absolutely love this video Ron! And and love the Model 70. There’s just something about them..

[@donhamm8740]

I would still favor iron sights as a standard offering.

[@southerncountryboy8]

oh thank God. Nobody in the gun writer world is covering the new Model 70's. Excited to watch this one!

[@jeffreyvannederynen8342]

I have a model 70 in 308. I love it!

[@BWGPEI]

I admire your good humour when faced with a malfunction. I've hunted with people who, in similar conditions, who would whine and complain fit to scare everything within a mile.

[@Rucksack57]

I have worked on both of these rifles. $15 dollars of epoxy up front makes them into tac drivers. Just tighten the action up front. Makes them into squirrel guns also allows them to shoot a wider range of bullet weights.

[@claw1952]

Ron, I recently purchased a Browning XBolt chambered in 28 Nosler and I had to shoot almost 80 rounds before it finally settled in. Once it settled in I've been able to consistently group .550 all the way down to the smallest of .290". Sometimes the barrels have to be shot in before they really start grouping. But you know that.

[@renniesmith8073]

I am a Remington guy I have two 788's (my most accurate rifles by far) and a few 700's as well. All of them will shoot very close to 1" or even a little better. But I have a pre 64 Winchester in 264 win mag that was loaned to me for my first deer hunt by a very close friends dad. I borrowed that rifle for 2 seasons and loved it over the years I tried to buy that rifle from him and he would never sell it. Before he passed he gifted me that rifle. It shoots 1.5" groups. So yea it's by far my favorite rifle but it doesn't get used much these days but if I could only have one rifle that would be it!

[@unclebuzz6913]

In 1984 I was working in Wyoming (Shute Creek) won a Remington 700BDL in 25-06 on a 5 dollar square . It shot like a laser. It was as good as my HK 770 308 or better.. A lot easier to find scope bases at the time.. I really enjoyed that 25-06 it cost me 5 bucks. The HK cost about 4-500 bucks.. I liked the Remington. My buddy had the Winchester I don't know why I did not like it as much as the 700BDL...(maybe it was my lucky rifle as I won it on a football pot) 5 dollars... God Bless you and your Loved ones

[@tsechejak7598]

@@unclebuzz6913 The winchester reciver something about it like like better both pushfeed and CRF i like both better then thr m700 even if thr 700 is a much smoother bolt glide. The main thing is I don’t like how thin thr Remington 700 grips are on their factory sporter stocks, and especially how curved the bdl grip is, scrunching fingers together, yes plenty of aftermarket so not a big issue. However factory stock on most model 70s are fatter grip fit hand better and also more angled back and more straight without such a dramatic candycane curve. Both brands the factory stocks are beautiful but thr model 70 just is way better ergos for me.

[@tsechejak7598]

@@unclebuzz6913 I don’t own a 25-06 but i want one in the future

[@aware3218]

I was wondering if Remington had taken QC more seriously as of late, this answers my question...

[@shaunzimmerman661]

someone who esembled the bolt put in the small extractor for 233 size cases instead of the large extractor for 30-06 and that it why it left it on the chamber and didnt eject.

[@Helfirearms]

If you want a quality Remington 700 you should just buy a Bergara B14 😂

[@RonaldMiller111]

It’s a trade off to have a controlled round extraction because it has a cone shaped barrel to accommodate the extraction

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

Love ya Ron and i know they gave you the wrong bolt/ectractor.... But we being a lil ruff on big green!! Lets have some faith they re coming back

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

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[@tomschmolcke7134]

I bought a slightly used Tikka t3x in 6.5 creedmoor, it's the stainless with the simple synthetic tikka stock, which is very solid, it's action is butter smooth, I easily adjusted the trigger to 2.75 lbs, it feeds perfectly and produced a .5" group on my first attempt at a group, I quit for the day and called it good, this is what you call excellent value for $$$

[@DreamConundrum]

The chances of a Tikka T3X working perfectly out of the box are very high. It's hard to argue against.

[@joemarkivich635]

Most of my rifles are tikkas. They are the best for the money. The Fins know how to make rifles.

[@mine8009]

Same. Used to be a big Remington fan. Still own one, but it tends to stay in the safe, and the Tikkas come out for anything that matters. I’ve never had any issues with reliability. Did have a bit of a problem with accuracy on one after I removed the stock for a thorough cleaning after a rainy hunt, but fine tuning the torque on the receiver screws fixed that. All of the tikkas I have handled have easily outshot every Remington I’ve ever used.

[@DanielGuillette]

⁠@@mine8009exactly. We have lots of hunters in America yet no country is as enamored with cheap junk…and tikka by far makes an excellent rifle versus a Remington you’d have to change stocks and trigger to get it to shoot

[@coppertopv365]

Does the Tikka T3x use the action of Either Rem 700 or Winchester mdl 70 ??

[@jamesbeasley1753]

I just bought a Remington 700 bdl in 300 win mag, it shoots fantastic and hasn’t had any of the feed issues shown in this video.

[@RUGER35710022]

I have always been a Remington man and own several but have been curious about the Winchester M70, after watching this honest review I think I will pass on both of these and stick with Ruger M77's. Thanks Mr. Spooner, great video

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

The audio cuts out at about 39-seconds in, but resumes a minute later, so hang in there. The missing audio is my warning about the disappointing rifle performance coming up.

[@Jk6967Jk]

Haha, not a problem. If everything always went right while hunting it wouldn’t be called hunting!

[@OneCanisLupus]

I didn't have a problem with it at all.🤔

[@tristanrichardson1302]

Ron, I can't find your telegram

[@joshh5853]

I’m 50/50. I firmly believe that the model 70’s hold an edge in the looks and handling category. I have never preferred that winged safety, even after years of use. I like the general simplicity of the 700 action and in general I have gotten better accuracy with them. I won’t hesitate to add another of either to my safe.

[@edburash7656]

I have a new Rem Arms 30-06 that does 3/4” and under with every factory load I put through it. Hand loads even better. I also have a Winchester model 70 EWSS in 300 wsm that won’t shoot any factory loads under 2”. Hand loads are around 1/2” with 168 ttsx and 3/4” with 175 LRX. Kills elk real well😊

[@JamesClark-lw6sw]

You are lying about the Remington.

[@edburash7656]

@@JamesClark-lw6sw worst thing it shot was Hornady IL 180 grain right at 3/4”. 175 terminal ascents and Norma bondstrikes were 1/2-5/8”. That rifle will do 3/4” groups at 200 yards with 172 Speer impact and H4350. I swapped the trigger out for a Trigger tech and the stock for a McMillan game scout since it shot so well. I had another Rem 700 from 2008 that was a 2” gun and became a custom 280 AI. I will say the Remington barrel is kinda slow though.

[@mike36dc]

Winchester, Oliver, bought into The Volcanic Repeating Arms Company. The New Haven Arms Company was the next name after insolvency reorganization & Winchester taking over completely, and then the Henry rifle was produced.

[@terryleonard8639]

I have a Remington 700 chambered in .270. Synthetic stock. Came with a scope, unsure the brand, power is 3-9×40. Out of the box it shot very straight. Original rings were awkwardly screwed. So I swapped them for Leupold rings. Still shoots true. Very very happy with it. I will never sell it. Not an old nice one like people talk about all the time, but the way it shoots and feels you couldn't tell me any different. Stainless barrel also.

[@jimdavis3150]

The only Remington 700 I've ever had anything to do with was my dad's .243, and it shot incredibly well. The closest thing to a Remington I have is Savage 116. All the rest of bolt actions are built on a mauser 98, so I prefer the Winchester model 70 because of that. I also had a pre 64 model 70 .300 win mag that I was given as a birthday present for my 21st birthday. I guiding bear hunters, and all I had for a rifle was a beat-up old Parker Hale 30-06 with open sights. When we finished up all our hunts that spring, one of the clients walked up to me and handed me that rifle and said happy birthday, put it to good use.😊

[@sstein49]

Dang that pre 64 .300wm is my absolute dream gun , never been able to find one

[@m71win]

@@sstein49 because there are very few out there. the 300 win mag was introduced in 1963

[@rickimperatori6960]

700 has had a rough decade or 2. I’m thinking the 70 wins.

[@jasonsfishingagain312]

The Model 70 had a tough 40 years or so, it still wins. 😁

[@BourbonPrepper]

Put me down for the 700! Let's see!

[@BourbonPrepper]

Welp, Remington lost. QC lost it for them.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

​@@BourbonPrepper It's hard to bring a brand back when its so thoroughly destroyed.

[@salacommander2674]

The M70 has better features but for most North American hunters the 700 wins on practicality and price.

[@dereckbyrddb]

Anybody having audio issues intro played but that was it

[@gavinlybarger8056]

Same

[@heerkrupp64]

Same here.

[@dbuckner902010]

Same first 15 seconds was great but nothing after

[@thomashaley7657]

I backed up, started over, then it was fine.

[@wintermachine]

I jumped way forward then brought it back to 2 min and it worked

[@35rem19]

Got a new 700 CDL SF in 30-06 early this year. Gorgeous rifle that shoots great too! These new ones have Timney triggers in them.

[@hammerheadms]

I have a newer FN Winchester M70 and I love it. Definitely more accurate than the one featured here. I don't own a model 700, but I am very familiar with them. Save for their travails in recent years they certainly seemed like nice rifles, and I would have liked one. I have owned other Remington rifles, and have been less than impressed, but those are also of their budget lines.

[@richardrawlings8770]

I had this choice in the mid 80's. It was my first gun. Went with the Remington in 30-06. Loved the catalogs back then. I still have it.

[@Frrlas]

Got my 1978 model 70 after my grandparents 14 years ago and it had some issues. no control feed and just basic cheep model. had it in 2 times for fixes and now I am happy and feel no need to change it for anything. shoots half inch with hand-loads first 3 shots and then opens up more and more. under 1.5 inch with just about anything I put in it. .308 but no need for more where I´m at. butter smooth and just a great hunting rifle that I trust and like. and it has a long family history that I cant let go.

[@straxstrax2980]

Awesome episode idea Ron & the team. Much enjoyed thank you

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I've done a lot of load development for the Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06. By far one of the most pickiest guns I've ever loaded for. It did shoot sub MOA with two bullets... 165 Accubond and 168 TTSX.

[@JamesClark-lw6sw]

A sample of ONE.😂

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@JamesClark-lw6sw 2 now. Ron didn't exactly get stellar results

[@williamfeldner9356]

In the 1990s I had the Remington Custom Shop build some rifles for me. A Kevlar stock 7 mm Remington Magnum , and African Plains rifles in 3 different calibers, a 7mm Rem Mag, a 300 Wea Mag, and a 375 h@h. They all shot very well but over time I slowly traded them away. I currently have a collection of Winchester Model 70s in Super Grade and Alaskan models , all made in Portugal. These newer Model 70s are extremely well made, the machine metal work and Wood Stock work is fabulous……. Given a choice to get the Model 700s back, I would keep the Winchesters any day.

[@CZ49]

Yes the Portuguese guns good. Except for me the combs on the Alaskan are a bit narrower than the USA models

[@user-lt8ld4lf9e]

Of the 2, I'm a winchester guy. Having said that, my current hunting rifles are kimbers, tikkas, and bergaras. I do have a 70 featherweight in 280 Rem, and 700 BDL in 222 Rem, but the 700 is a safe queen. Last of the 222's 1 of 222. The 70 hasn't seen the woods in years, but at 1 time it was my go to rifle for years.

[@headcarter4656]

I have never had that problem! And I have been using the 700 for 30 years or more.

[@iancurrie8844]

I've had many examples of both. The M70 is a fine rifle designed to be the best it can be. The current production of them is excellent and absolutely rivals the pre-64. The model 700 is designed just to be made more cheaply and cuts corners to that end. I've had one go "bang" when it wasn't supposed to.

[@keithprinn720]

interesting comment regarding current manufactured as good as pre 64 70s. massive call

[@codywilliams1506]

I owned a Remington 700 ADL chambered in 7mm Rem Mag; it was a good rifle, but Desert Dog Outdoors’ video on Push-Feed Riffles made me see the light. The 700 has a tiny fingernail extractor that wore out easily & would break in heavy recoiling (mine didn’t & it worked fine) & the bolt doesn’t lock when it’s on safe. I decided to transition to either a Briwnjng X-Bolt or Controlled-Round Feed rifles like the Winchester 70. So far, I have a Custom P14 Enfield .303 & a Custom Mauser 1908 w/ a Douglas Barrel rechambered in .300 Win Mag. I also picked up (for $650) a Pre-64 Winchester 70 in .30-06. So far, I’m pretty satisfied with the evolution of my firearms collection.

[@kennethcampbell6934]

I've owned a 700 & 70 both shoot good groups . My mod 70 is a 1964 push feed lol never had a problem with either one. ❤ both of them

[@kennethcampbell6934]

I don't know how

[@jonathanmitchell3733]

If you short stroke the Winchester just right, you can pick up another round without ejecting the brass, causing a double feed. This JAM works best when you have short action cartridge chambering in a long action. Parker Hale, and Musgrave made Long Mauser actions chambered in .308win, and I managed to JAM both examples during separate hunts. Maybe try it one day

[@arnoldfoote1925]

The Garmin is awsome LOL

[@billhendon1017]

I’ve had them both. Both shot very well! I have a model 70 in 7 rem mag and 700 in 270 win . Both are great!

[@rayst.2934]

I've been listening and watching your KZbin channel for quite a while already and I agree with a lot of things you talk about

[@CurtDawson-p8z]

I am a left handed shooter. And my favorite big game bolt action is the 1917 Enfield. I have a Remember manufacturer in 30-06 (not sure of the year of manufacture). And a Eddystone that I had built into a 375 H&H stopping rifle. Manufactured in November of 1917 according to the barrel proof marks. The 06 was a 1 1/2" rifle. The 375 with WW 300grain Silvertips is a consistent 1/2" shooter. I have a LH Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor that is now my go to rifle as due to spinal issues in my neck make recoil a limiting factor for caliber choice. It is an easy shooter and loves 140gr bullets.

[@jasonbyassee7541]

Remington was awesome when I was growing up. Several years later I bought my own deer rifle. The model 700 was still the gun to get… I realized I didn’t need a magnum cartridge for where I was hunting so I moved down to a 308. I’ve had a few different guns in this caliber, but it’s still the caliber for me and where I hunt.

[@jasonbyassee7541]

I didn’t get all my thoughts down. I purchased a Remington 7mm08 awhile back and it looked and felt good, but was horribly inaccurate. That’s when I read about Remington needing to replace their old worn out machinery. I’ve got a Tikka these days and it’s wonderful.

[@leonardogarcia2506]

Videos like these, are the reason I watch Ron! I’m really hoping Remington can make a comeback. To me, it has to be just a hair better than Bergara, to be the Remington we all remember. I’m lucky or cursed enough to have shot the older 788’s and 700’s, to have a love affair with them. If my first time shooting a Remington 700 would have been the one I bought in 2003, I’d write them off and say they’re junk, but again, I have half a dozen older Remingtons, that prove they were once the standard and the one all others were judged by. Fingers crossed that they can come back to being that rifle again! As for Winchester, they’ve never been less than the pinnacle of what I consider to be an American classic. They have their share of ugly plastic rifles, but they’ve never stopped being a beautiful rifle that shoots great and is reliable. Just would like to see them take more bold moves, like they did with their long range mb.

[@larrysayers1377]

Love the honesty in your videos. I like that you tell it like it is. Quite surprising on that Rem 700. I was hoping for better things on the new models. That is disappointing for this one gun as I think the CDL is one of the best looking rifles around. However nice to see that Remington sent you a different bolt and it seemed to perform great. I’ve always liked the aesthetics, function, feel of the Featherweight and that it fits 5 in the magazine. But the Featherweight has shown to be finicky in groups. I don’t know about the other model 70s in stainless/synthetics how they perform. Now you did have only a few selections of ammo but I’ve been hunting n shooting now for a lot of years (55) and I have found with modern guns they either shoot right out of the box or they don’t. In the last 4 years I’ve had an 06 Sako 85, 06 Sauer 100, 06 Bergara Hunter, Tikka 270 T3X, Tikka T3X 7mm Rem and a Sauer 101 in 7mm Rem. The only dud was the Bergara that wouldn’t group less than 2.5” with 12 brands of ammo but I believe that was a bad factory rifle as the gun store took it back and credited me. All the rest of those guns shot .8”-1.25” with 3-5 brands of ammo in different bullet weights. These were all brand new guns.

[@JimmyDickens1]

Ron - I have three REM 700s in my gun safe: two in .30-06 and one in .243. All three have the X-Mark Pro trigger, which was the trigger under recall 10-years ago. So all three have been through the recall. I am the one who found the issue with the X-Mark Pro and led Remington to the recall. My video on KZbin explains this. The video was also featured on 60-Minutes with Leslie Stall. At any rate, I really like my rifles and all three shoot sub MOA. I shoot Hornady Superformance through them: 95gr in .243 and 165gr in .30-06 is what they like best.

[@joelapello3546]

I have a Remington 700 BDL from the custom shop and have had shots touching at 200 yards with it ( with my hand loads ) great rifle and have taken many whitetail with it .

[@brettdoney1307]

I'm a reloader. I have had failure to fire, frequently with, mainly pistol primers from Remington and Winchester. I am primarily buying only CCI primers in the last year.

[@freecitizen7372]

I can’t speak of the new Remingtons, but the old Remingtons are awesome and I own three. I also own an old Winchester Model 70 Featherweight and it too is awesome.

[@kylecasetta4091]

Been a Remington guy all my life and most of my family as well. Love both my 700bdls and my rem seven. Do have a Winchester 70 with the maple stock on my wish list

[@ronbeckybeasley3566]

The model 70 has always been and always will be the greatest rifle ever made. It’s not even close

[@keithprinn720]

clearly hasnt been for many decades. total rubbish claim based on reality. Why choose either today over Tikka or Bergara. Not even customs lol and cheaper by far. Understand the classic stock better.

[@ronbeckybeasley3566]

@@keithprinn720 why choose a model 70. Because they are hands down better. The two you listed are overrated pieces of garbage

[@taasch2505]

No one thinks the Begaras or Tikkas are "pieces of garbage". But many of us watching you spend 2k+ for a tool that going to get beat up over several hunts without any meaningful difference in accuracy and many would argue, with a less smooth action; are fools.

[@ronbeckybeasley3566]

@@taasch2505 your wrong. Model 70 is smoother, more accurate, more reliable than both of those. Sure I’ve got $2000.00 model 70s. But I’ve got a feather weight in 270 that’s $1100.00 all day and puts 145 grain ELDx bullets in the same hole at 100 yards. A real gun man knows what is the best.

[@masondevos799]

@@ronbeckybeasley3566 Thats just straight up not true. Tikka and Bergara are known for accuracy and smoothness. I have had 3 model 70's and i love them all. I also own a tikka and bergara and for you to say the model 70 is smoother than a tikka is absolutely ridiculous

[@PatrickSmeaton]

The only rifle I regret selling was a 270 Winchester Model 70 Super Grade. I believe I purchased it in 1993, shortly after they reintroduced claw control feeding. I worked at a gun shop at the time. Winchester's quality control was atrocious. Almost every gun we'd get from them came with dings in the stocks. Mine was no exception. So, after two dinged up guns came in, the Point rep (I still remember his name was Norm) went through their entire inventory and found me the nicest looking one they had. Man, she was a beauty. It shot 1.5" groups out of the box, which I wasn't happy with. After having some work done it, I got it down to consistently shooting about 3/4" groups. A few years in, because I was always tinkering with guns back then, and I didn't make enough to keep them all, I eventually sold it and have regretted it ever since.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

It appears the team simply removed the section missing the audio. Sorry for all the confusion.

[@danielcourtright5659]

Holy cow I have owned 20 plus M 700s over 50 years and never had any issues with ejections or accuracy.

[@shaunzimmerman661]

they put an extractor from the 233 size case instead of the larger extractor for 30-06 size case. i saw this happen before!

[@nathanadrian7797]

I won the rifle at a RMEF banquet, it was a Rem. mod. 700 ADL, and absolute garbage! If you cycled the bolt 10 times, it would jamb 3 times. My sister in law had a 700 BDL fire when the safety was disengaged, and so did a friend. On the other hand, my brother has a 700 BDL that has been flawless.

[@spraynpray]

I've never seen a 700 that could eject even half the time. In fairness, that's a small sample size of only like 300 rifles.

[@handyandy6071]

I have lite primer strikes using hornady super performance in my new winchester model 70 .243. I have a new winchester model 70 compact .22-250 also. Love both rifles.

[@45-70Guy]

I have a handful of Remington 700’s, all are older except for 1 which is new. All have shot great, one has pitting in the bore and still shoots 1” all day with handloads. But I’ve migrated to the locking bolt safety and CRF action as my favorite

[@sandybarnett7502]

Boy oh boy, don't think I will be getting a new Remington or Winchester!

[@markm5112]

70 featherweight in 3006, 50 years old still printing 1 to 1.5 inches. So comfortable for day long moving hunt. I smile every year I check zero

[@Sagittariustoo]

I always preferred the control round feed and massive claw extractor of the model 70 from day one, whether for hunting or target use. 👍

[@223Sako]

I have a couple of Remington 700's which shoot superbly, but having worked in a gunshop a while back I was shocked by the condition of some of the new Remington stock we had. Rifles like the one you reviewed that wouldn't close the bolt properly and one 22-250 that had a bulge in the muzzle which would never shoot properly. This was a few years back and maybe their quality control is better now, but if I ever get another rifle it will be Sako or Winchester.

[@Hollywood41642]

The recoil pad on the Remington 700 is bigger because you can buy a half inch pad to change the length of the pull without cutting the stock.

[@scottmansur9978]

I have a 700 I bought in 1990! The best thing I ever bought. That looks the the 700 mountain rifle Ron is shooting

[@johnbennett7244]

Hi Ron: Have you ever had any dealings with Vortex optics? I had a pair of their Diamondback binos, and the center focal knob came loose.. They suggested that I send it back for repairs, and they paid the postage. I was really surprised when they sent me a brand new pair. That's what I call great customer service.

[@michaell397]

Yep, one of the best warranties in the business. and it will likely be needed! until you get to their very top tier scopes, they have issues!!!

[@donbenson5292]

Dont know about the bew model 70s but have two XPRs, 308 and 30-06, that shoot very very adequate. Great video. Had that same problem with a 700 i had. Thanks

[@JamesKaisi]

I have a Winchester model 70 Deluxe Sporter, 24 inch barrel, push feed. My ex father in law bought it for me and said now I’m going to show you how to reload. I know what these rifles like. 130 grain Sierra Game Kings behind 56 grains of DuPont 4350. Groups that I covered with a quarter. Some tighter but nothing that couldn’t be covered with a quarter. I hunted for years with that rifle and made some dandy shots on black tail deer. Later on I moved after not hunting for a couple years and bought a couple boxes of so called premium ammo. Couldn’t get the group i wanted and had some fliers that I thought could be me. I tried several different brands and no luck. Went and bought a rock chucker and started reloading again. Tight groups and no fliers. I picked up some Nosler Partitions and couldn’t get the same accuracy. Playing with different bullets and loads the only bullet that shot as good as the Sierra was the Barnes Tipped TSX.

[@tootall4646]

My first centerfire rifle was a 700 BDL Custom deluxe in 25/06. Barrel was copper fouled terribly, but I worked on it and got it cleaned up and shooting great. After many 700's over the years, I never kept any of them. They all shot good, but the newer they were, the worse the quality was. I now have two model 722's in 222 rem mag and 257 Roberts. Both shoot superbly. The only two model 70's I ever bought, a 30/06 and a 243, both push feed post 64 actions, 80's models, both shoot great and I have never thought about about selling them. The 243 is a light varmint version, with a 26" light varmint barrel. I will own a pre-64 someday, just never got around to it and the old ones are too pricey. Would like a 300 win mag or maybe a 270. I love Tikka and now a Sako A7 Coyote that I just picked up in 25/06. Gorgeous, shooter with all the right stuff. Rigid stock, fluted medium contour 24" barrel, butter smooth action, awesome trigger. I'll be hunting Whitetails with my two quarter bores in November in Western MD.

[@fillthefeeder]

I have a newer 700 BDL 30 06. Excellent rifle...its not unusual to clover leaf at 100 yds. No feed issues ..smooth action.

[@kennethhrflin9242]

I have been hunting with a whinchester for 40 years. I also had a Remington model 700. I sold the Remington it just didn't shoot as accurate as the whinchester model 70. Using 130 gr. In my 270 1/4 "groups at a 100yard. The Whinchester is a great 400 yard gun

[@gkhuntertrapper2738]

i have a older 20+ years old 300RUM in the 700 shoots great with any ammo zero problems just bought a m70 280 supergrade boy i’m impressed with it using factory ammo

[@DavidLosak-b9y]

I have used and owned both 243. 270 308 3006 300 win mag 300 wsm used to have the 7mm wsm in m70 Hand loaded for them when factory loads didn’t dial in Taken many white tails with them Given my boys M 700 in 3006 they took them to Africa and did well with them 1 shot kills on plains game I took my m70 in 300Wm and had the same reliability My Rugers in the same calibers are really good as well Great video Ron

[@roddecker5481]

Had 700 first. Old one. It was a one holer when I was a kid. Some one explained the safety is only a trigger safety. When 700 's accuray went away got a w 70. That safety blocks firing pin it self like a Springfield. Ver good. When on a horse I want my scabbard strap on a bolt that's not going drop your rifle on ground somewhere back down the hill( mountain). Love 70 s now a very long time. Hope to figure way to take some with me.🐎

[@flashgross]

Loved this video. Great job Mr Spomer!

[@44hawk28]

The round receiver of the Remington is precisely why it has less of a tendency to be accurate. Every single highly accurized Remington I've ever seen has had to have square or a squaring element welded to the receiver in order to keep it from twisting under recoil because of the twists and whip of the barrel. The square receiver of the model 70 will make it have a tendency to be more accurate. The Ruger Model 77 had the same advantages. My very first rifle was a Model 77 and 7 mm Remington Magnum in 1979 early 1980. After I got out of the service that was my first Centerfire rifle purchase, I was given a load and I bought some virgin Winchester brass and I got the Sierra 140 grain Spire points. I loaded it up I had a Redfield Widefield 39x scope and my first trip to the range I cited the rifle in and then fired a 20 round group into a hole that the largest part of the hole was .33 in. That made it a center to Center spread of .046. That was a 20 shot group that I can cover with a dime. I believe that in 1979 and 80 that Ruger was sending a McMillan Barrel in their 26 inch barrel on that Model 77. That was also when the Model 77 had an adjustable trigger and I had it down to I think it was a little under 3 lb. I did prefer Less Than 3 lb trigger. Even on combat rifles I prefer light triggers.

[@davidlaney8254]

I have two Model 70’s and both will only control feed with just one cartridge in the magazine. If two or more are in the magazine, the bolt fails to attach itself to the rim on the top cartridge as it slides forward. After a very close look, the rear of the cartridge on top drops down as it slides over the nose of the cartridge below it, which keeps the bolt from attaching itself to the cartridge rim.

[@blaynegadd2842]

I prefer the Browning X-Bolt for the push feed action rifle. That M16 extractor and 60 degree bolt and tang safety is a winner.

[@jamesyarbrough4777]

thanks ron. real world stuff.

[@deangustafson7533]

I had a Model 700 BDL in 30/06 as my first big game rifle back in the late 70’s. It was accurate, but the stock beat the heck out of my shoulder. I shot a friend’s Model 70, and it fit me much better - and weighed less. I sold the BDL. I’ve been using Model 70’s ever since. The extra bonus for me is the dependability of the CRF, and the excellent 3 position safety. I bought my nephew a Tikka ultra light in 6.5 Creedmore for his first rifle. It is very nice, but it is no Model 70. And for a heavy caliber rifle, I would trust nothing less than a Model 70 or something with a Mauser action claw extractor.

[@galenhisler396]

I love them both and have both in different calibers 🤠

[@toldroyd1]

For Christmas 1963 my wonderful wife bought me a Remington 700 BDL in .270 Winchester. Ever since, i have heard horror stories about push feed rifles: but have never had a moments problem with this rifle. It has a 22 inch barrel . Shooting Barnes 130 grain bullets at 3000+FPS, (my handload) it consistently gives .75 inch groups. This is my elk load and has resulted 6 Bull Elk with single shot kills. That is with H4831 Powder and Remington large rifle primers. This load is just under the Maximum recommended by Hodgen Powder reloading manual. My preferred load for Mule deer load uses Barnes 110 Grain bullets, Magnum primers and H414 powder, loaded to 3500+FPS This with maximum loads results in .50 inch groups all day long.. These shrink to .25-.30 inch if I put in an extra1/2 grain in the case! I know it makes no sense, but that's what happens If I use Factory loads, I have tried Winchester Silver tips and Remington Bronze point 130 G bullets give .80 inch loads but I recently purchased a box of Barnes Vortex in 130 grain loads and, i'm embarrassed to admit that they shot .40 inch groups! I guess i already know what I'm using for the next Elk hunt. BTW, Back when I was reading Jack O'conner, he recommended lower power scopes, so I fitted a Leupold 2-7 Vari-x scope. If you read his books DO NOT even think of using his favorite load of 62 grains of H4831 powder behind a 130 grain silver tip as it will result in flattened primers, stiff bolt lift and empty cases you clear out with a 1/4 inch dowel!!!!!!! I showed it to my dads friend, Porter Ackley and he said " such a dummy, you cut a corner and just assumed that would be all right! He handed me a Speer reloadinng manual and said "I'm going to keep your rifle until you can come in after reading this cover to cover!" . Pay close attention to the phrase "Start low and work up to the load that shoots best in your rifle"! When I returned, he actually had a written test for me to pass! I missed one question and had to return a week later to take it again....

[@jeffv8422]

I have a 2003 model 70 with a detachable box magazine I love it.

[@Swetaskmort]

I have a 1962 remington 700 7mm rem mag. It was my first gun. Still shoots great ( about 1 moa ) have has zero issues with it whatsoever. I can open the bolt with the safety still on. They should just go back doing them like they did at first.

[@patobrien7009]

I've owned several model 70's in different calibers. Three different 270's, a 30-06, and a 300 wsm. The only one I couldn't get 1 inch groups with was the 06. Unfortunately it was stolen along with many others. I now have the 300 wsm and another 270. The only Remingtons I have shot of owned were 870 wingmasters.

[@Northspy49]

Ron, you are gonna love that Garmin.

[@Helpline5815]

I had that same problem with rough chambering on my Springfield 1898 30-40 Krag with Remington Core Lokt. I think it's the ammo and the extractor.

[@baddad3469]

Model 70 is the only choice today. FN is a great company, Remington now owned by Roundhill Group. No brainer. I purchased a Model 70 Extreme Weather in 270wsm for my son, and it shoots one hole @ 100yrds with Barnes bullets. Wish my Model 70 Sporter in same caliber did the same even though it shoots sub moa. They are great setups for antelope to elk where we live and hunt.

[@stanjenson2026]

I've shot a Remington model 700bdl in 257 roberts and a Winchester Model 70 in 270. Both were very good rifles. I liked the Remington more than the Winchester. I wish I could have them now.

[@tfwj69]

M70, in 30-06. I've hunted with it since 1989, got it used at a gun show for $300. It has dropped every deer from 50 yards to 300 yards in their tracks. I use 150 grain loads. I take shoulder/ heart shots.

[@ULFISHGETTER]

That model 70 all day long everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I own a 1989 model 700 in 30-06. I also own a 2024 Winchester model 70 EWSS 308 I grabbed up this year bc those are getting harder and harder to find and I’ve wanted one for years. If I had to choose one in would be the model 70.

[@Honkers716]

Now when will MDT start making chassis again for the model 70?

[@ULFISHGETTER]

Probably never

[@Honkers716]

@@ULFISHGETTER correct. Contacted MDT and they said that demand for them is down to nothing.

[@earlearl8850]

M 70 the factory legend has no equal ! Never will!!

[@thomashaley7657]

If you were being charged by a brown bear or a pissed off moose, would you prefer a rifle that shot 4 inch groups and feeds perfectly, or one that shot 1 inch groups you had to operate lying on your back?

[@JamesCopeland-i1j]

Model 700 BDL was my first cenerfire rifle. Always been a fan. Could never quite get the same feel for a 70. My father had an XTR Featherweight 280 that was an absolute tack driver (for him)... but I always seemed to fair better with my 700 BDL in 25-06.