The Fighting Game Season Pass DLC model may have to change

[@rooflemonger]

If you wanna check out the updated steam ruleset for partners there's a link in the video description. Strictly as its worded, this basically spells the end of the model of asking for you to buy a season pass upfront, without knowing all the characters you are gonna get. Quite a few games over the years finally went away from that model like say Street Fighter, however others like Tekken still employ it. There's arguments for and against but when steam puts their foot down, then people have to start listening.

[@giantdinoboy8264]

VF5 is getting a steam release with rollback!

[@haman_karn]

There isn't any 'wiggle room'. The guidelines are clear that 'a basic description' is all that is necessary. Announcing your season pass as "Tekken 8 Season 9 Pass: Four new characters, two new stages, four new outfits" is perfectly in agreement with the guidelines.

[@rooflemonger]

@@haman_karn the whole point of the update is to combat deceptive practices, of which in the FG context not fully detailing whats in the pass beyond what characters are can very well be, which is why the industry as a whole near unanimously moved away from it. The language is why there's "wiggle room" because the initial statement of the update makes it clear that's what they are trying to stop.

[@roguebanshee]

The one thing that could change how fighting games do Season Passes is this bit from the document (from the "Including a Season Pass in a Pre-Purchase" section): _"However, when the game launches, you will need to release the Season Pass out of pre-purchase--this will entail releasing at least one of the DLCs included in the Season Pass."_ Of course that does mean the easiest option is to shift a character that would have been included in the core roster as the first "DLC" character of the Season Pass.

[@leaf4547]

"If you aren't ready to clearly communicate about the content included in each DLC AND when each DLC will be ready for lauch, you shouldn't offer a Season Pass on Steam" Beautiful words right there

[@rooflemonger]

I love how direct it is. Steam ain't here to play games

[@hypersonic3019]

Throw steam in the trash

[@geoffreytasker2097]

​@hypersonic3019 and what exactly would you use instead?

[@hteety]

I would agree except for the i always purchase all dlc for fighting games, and season passes were strictly cheaper for me. For these, the content doesn't matter because I'll always learn each character to a base level just to have a better foundation to build matchup knowledge off of.

[@Blasarius0]

@@hteety You're saving next to nothing by buying the pass. You're giving money upfront to save 5 bucks, if that.

[@Cutthroat__]

Steam doing gods work.. im tired of Harada waiting years to reveal a character we don’t even know we getting

[@liu3chan]

You know what you're getting. A character.

[@akpade]

Doesn’t matter, you still buying

[@popandlock69]

@@liu3chanyou May be comfortable getting crumbs of information for your money, the rest of us aren’t. Go bootlick somewhere else

[@CapcomSwagg]

That's weak ASF to get mad over cus character reveals are the hype, you don't have to get a season pass just to buy the character fool.

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@liu3chan Stop doing that, Idk which character.

[@rooflemonger]

For my money, I prefer knowing everything upfront. Like im a friggin sucker and buy everything anyways so im an awful example but at least its nice to know what you paid for.

[@applejuicejunkie316]

I wish Capcom would stop nickel and diming and give us the Outfit 3 bundle pack for SF6.

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Fr Im an adult now I need to know what I’m buying

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

​@@applejuicejunkie316The refusal to have an outfit 3 bundle is really annoying.

[@pockystyx4087]

Tekken 8's example of a character pass with the Mostly Negative review score lol

[@georgehernandez2156]

The fact that they said that Heihachi was never gonna come back and put him in the season pass was really messed up.

[@Just_Manny305]

Oh stop with the complaining about Heihachi. Hes a very well made character and appears to be a fan favorite. Street Fighter can’t live without Bison, Tekken can’t live without Heihachi. Simple fact

[@inconsideratebox3000]

@@Just_Manny305 That's not really the point

[@ilyrich]

@@Just_Manny305nobody cares if he's a well made character the fact that harada said he's not coming back & then was sold back to us is insane

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@Just_Manny305 If you lie to me about something that's gonna leave me perplexed, you may not have high standards to expect that, but other people do. Obviously you don't gaf.

[@maximumdeejay]

​@@Just_Manny305 Lying is bad, I just don't know why you want shii like that to just fly.

[@AndrewSoup]

yeah, i much prefer the way Street Fighter 6 has been doing their DLC reveals. let me know who's in the pass before i buy it, and the hype can come from seeing the gameplay reveal (though i would like it if we could get a release month instead of a season)

[@marcusshoults]

Knowing Rashid and Ed were going to be in didn't 'ruin my hype' in fact it greatly helped. I kept playing and getting better at the game thinking "man I can't wait for Rashid and Ed to drop". Knowing I had good stuff coming to me in the future kept me motivated.

[@AlberioOrion]

Strive dropping hype bomb after hype bomb at Evo when they revealed EVERY season pass character was incredible. "Season 4, featuring new and returning characters: QUEEN Dizzy" Loses my mind yelling about how I called it. Her design is so good, I gotta play some Xrd after- "Venom" WHAT?! VENOM'S COMING BACK?! HOW? I thought he was running a bakery with his husband Robo-Ky? WAIT ARE THEY REVEALING EVERYONE?! "Unika from Dual Rulers." Called it, man that anime is going to be so dope. I bet by the time she drops I'll be beyond hype about this. The music stops. "And for the first time ever, Guest Character Lucy from Cyber Punk Edge Runners." My head basically explodes from half a year of concentrated hype. I'm STILL riding that high.

[@MouseKeyboardPlayer]

This is actually very good news!

[@Limit02]

I’ve been salivating to see how each SF6 character looks in game despite knowing in advance, so knowing who the characters are in advance hasn’t dampened my hype personally

[@applejuicejunkie316]

My only gripe is why is there such a long wait between Terry and Elena? Spring of 2025! then Fall for Mai!

[@erin_rose0]

​@@applejuicejunkie316 ? Mai is in February and Elena in May

[@BKsunstar]

@@applejuicejunkie316 because they are making everything at once, so then they get it released its complete? the model, animations, the physics, WT, voice acting jp/dub testing, adding stuff to the rest of the cast etc

[@joedatius]

@@applejuicejunkie316 because it takes time to make things bro

[@deltasca]

@@applejuicejunkie316 its mai first and elena last in spring

[@mrtoast3319]

This would make me so happy. I absolutely hate hidden preorder bs and season pass trash.

[@mc_zittrer8793]

Nice to see Steam forcing some transparency from big pubs. Guess Harada can't just brazenly lie that Heihachi is dead at a press junction only to drop the Heihachi reveal trailer 2 months later. I'm all in favor of customers getting to make informed decisions on everything they're paying premium price tags for.

[@RyanPitt-k9p]

Stop preordering deluxe versions 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Jeffmetal42]

Preorders in general are a bad idea.

[@rooflemonger]

yeah but i wanna though

[@IsiahHand]

No 🗣️

[@paulnoell39]

​@@Jeffmetal42Not if it's something you truly believe in and want to support.

[@anthonygotttheonly]

​@@paulnoell39 no 🗣️

[@antonsimmons8519]

I bought the first season of ggstrive. I learned my lesson in one. That whole season turned out to have only one character I liked, and even that one wasn't very good(imo) I do NOT buy content prior to knowing ALL of what's in it.

[@applejuicejunkie316]

Most people don't even play all the characters in a season pass or in a fighting game period. In MK11, probably my second favorite MK after MK9, I only played Jade and Jacqui even thought I like a large swathe of MK characters. For some, I'm just a completionist. I want everything that came out for a fighting game.

[@Heatmanguy]

From what is said, it looks like this could be a byproduct of the Heihachi and his stage release. We got the character in the season pass, but we all expected the stage to come with it. And when it did not, a big fuss was caused and prompted the legal team to act. From the way they said that exact details are not required (i.e. New weapon is acceptable), I highly doubt giving the list of characters that will be released will be required. ??? character releasing in Winter 2025 will likely be acceptable, however, what else does or does not come bundled with the character (i.e. new stage, cosmetics, etc.) will need to be specified.

[@Lunchbox224]

There was also the announcement of Lidia and what like 90 days of nearly pure silence?

[@oblisk7778]

That actually seems really plausible as to what caused all this. And if it wasn't, then holy what freaky timing.

[@AustinT97]

I'm definitely for this new policy change since I would like to know what a season pass entails to determine whether or not I wanna buy it.

[@benisign]

This doesn't surprise me considering both SF and guilty gear and switched to showing us who is coming out ahead of time. They were probably already warned.

[@ZephyrK_]

Nah they weren’t warned, they just realised customers didn’t like it and pivoted to showing everyone at once instead.

[@oblisk7778]

@@ZephyrK_ Yeah, because unlike Bamco, Arcsys and Capcom have functioning brain cells

[@osricen]

Wish they would say something about Season Pass pricing (it's ridiculous how some of those cost more than the game itself). Also, completely ban in-game currency that's not fictional (meaning, no buying FIGHT COINS and similar with real money).

[@DengusK]

I doubt Namco would let Steam hinder their predatory DLC practices. This is the company that charged $5 for frame data after all.

[@noboty4168]

I hope Steam doesn't let Namco sell on their store, in that case.

[@marcelojavierzayassisa7389]

They overcharge you for 12 bucks for 1 ch and you need to buy 5 bucks worth more to buy another one added to the leftover of the 12. Pure trash.

[@taco_sensei]

And in the game before that they gave everything out for free, which included summer outfits for everyone, special outfits for certain characters, a whole lot of stages which included a Snoop Dogg stage and +10 free characters and y'all let that game flop 😭😭

[@marcelojavierzayassisa7389]

@@taco_sensei wait but in sfv it was because of its poor release state

[@JanusIIV]

@@taco_sensei What game was that?

[@cylondorado4582]

I absolutely love how Capcom started doing this.

[@gonzaloteee]

That is why I love Steam, no other company worry about their customers like them

[@aledantih6524]

Maybe it's just me but I'm actually less hyped about Tekkens stuff overall right now. Like even though I know exactly who's coming in SF6 I'm way more hyped to see them in game and how they operate over just guessing who Tekken is gonna even add.

[@huevonesunltd]

Not to mention that when you are not that interested then chances are you will miss the news of who the next character is and stop caring, it might have been a character you like but might not be as exciting at that point. The other side aswell, when you keep up with the news and then at it's reveal get disappointed because it was someone you don't want and have to wait for about 6 whole months , basically waiting until the character you don't want gets released then wait for the next reveal AND wait for that release aswell

[@aledantih6524]

@huevonesunltd that's exactly it and what happened with Lidia for me. She was my second main in Tekken 7 but I played her for about 3 days in 8, mainly because she was pretty bad but the wait for her initial reveal and then release definitely killed my hype.

[@alexspyro563]

Games like mk1 and sf6 they made like a strategy in marketing because if they reveal all characters at the same time players choose if they want to buy the pack or not

[@maximumdeejay]

Aight then get Namco to do it.

[@Zel-Veraan]

I never had an issue with this, but thanks for the info. When they dropped the SF6 Season 2 pass, I groaned at the fact that Bison was coming back as I REALLY did want him in SF6, and I don't really care about any of the other characters, but I did still buy it.

[@EmeraldLance]

I prefer SF6's and Strive's (current) model, where they list all the characters at the start of the season. Publishers can still do a character reveal when they show off how they look in-game and how they play, and those things will still generate hype; the character doesn't need to be a secret for people to be interested.

[@mgbrad5018]

I rarely buy a full season pass these days unless I am hosting a local or extremely dedicated to a game. I like the idea alot knowing what you are planning to buy but on the flip side we would know the next characters for a year and just have to wait until they announce the next season.

[@JPWestmas]

I just want to know what I am buying. End of story.

[@gcavrubio]

This is a very positive change.

[@Kylejking313]

I'on give a fuck steam absolutely right. As a FGC and a fan of Capcom, this should be standard practice

[@malik2978]

Nothing made me more hype and confirmed my purchase than Ed being leaked then revealed for it

[@hollowoak2610]

I think transparency obviously should come first, so keeping stuff hidden is scummy behavior, of course. However, as long as plans are communicated up-front and there is a solid initial roster, I dont mind extra characters/dlc over time if it helps keep the game alive/active for longer

[@rensten4893]

To be fair, Capcom does have a tendency to leak like a faucet in the Ono era so being upfront and honest at least has everyone on the same page. I tend to get everything at the end, not the interim but it's good to see all FG publishers have to work harder for money.

[@bigredradish]

i am so ready for the death of the silhouette. i know, big mystery, love being surprised, but also everybody already leaks it anyway so it barely matters

[@Gh0ulface]

I am so over the mystery DLC! Fighting games included. I'm pretty happy Capcom has been transparent with what characters are upcoming and when they release. I was hoping Tekken would do the same, but they still want to be mysterious. Just let us know who is coming. The hype will still be there especially when the character trailer drops.

[@1MTW]

This is the best thing for consumers. Seeing as more AAA companies are trying to make live service games with a season pass. It will/should at least force the companies to honor the products promised in the season pass even if the game bombs. I also like the transparency seeing as some video games are merely reselling old assets in new games

[@Neoxon619]

After investigating the wording for my own article, Valve does still allow for some mystery regarding who the characters are. You just have to detail how many characters would be included & when they’ll come out.

[@AngelusNielson]

I mean this is just common sense and something they do already anyway.

[@ckorp666]

yeah, i feel pretty clickbaited ngl, this is basically just a response to the stage thing that tekken pulled, doesnt change much in general. i dont understand how he sees the "2 new weapons" example as different from "2 new characters"

[@chriswest6988]

Right, something like "four new playable characters usable in all existing modes, one every 3 months, and one new stage and theme music concurrent with each character" seems sufficiently up to the standard even without names and designs for those elements.

[@AngelusNielson]

@@ckorp666 It "May" have to change. Yah, I'm disappointed. I thought this channel was better than this.

[@nogoodchad4473]

Daddy Gaben finally putting his foot down for us. I agree with his move, very pro consumer. I know some people like announcement hype, but I hate paying for silhouettes

[@maninredhelm]

I liked how King of Fighters 14 would reveal the characters one at a time, but release them all simultaneously following the final character's reveal. I understand why developers trickle the characters out one at a time, it helps with player retention, but sending out 4 or 5 characters all at once is the closest thing to the excitement you get in the first few days when a brand new game is launched. You also get more variety from online opponents than if there's only 1 new toy for everyone to try out and exhaust all the possibilities of.

[@natethebad]

This definitely sounds like a good change! Though I can't help but think the monkey's paw response to this is to just not sell the Season Pass on Steam and force PC players to pay more buying each DLC individually.

[@BiggerK]

Ngl, I was gonna get SF6 on sale, but then I saw they're charging $30 PER character pack. Ridiculous.

[@MegafanX123]

Capcom boycott is so real bro #boycottcapcom

[@_2247_]

@@MegafanX123 Like they're the only ones who do this...

[@MegafanX123]

@@_2247_ Now that i realized none of them deserves our money #boycottnamco #boycottsnk #boycottarcsys #boycottnrs

[@Polengue]

@@MegafanX123 bro think hashtags in a comment section will do anything about it 🤣

[@leonrivera3712]

Get em Gaben

[@YellowFellow86]

Thank you Gabe.

[@Ticr00]

Big deal. They should have banned paid dlc as well as all sorts of microtransactions.

[@RicochetForce]

People need to learn that preordering is bad, full stop.

[@mousanabil7185]

I think knowing all the DLC upfront is a lot better for me, not just from the consumer point! also from a hype point! I think knowing 1 character per quarter lets the hype die!

[@FruitsBootG]

What's "Clearly" defined as though? Does it just mean that companies can say they're releasing 4 characters and that's defined as "clear"? Or does each character have to be revealed like how SF does it? Either way, it's clearly a response to the backlash that Tekken got and it's crazy that we even reached this point where companies are willing to sink so low to nickle and dime their customers

[@megablueflash1816]

After going over it myself, I'm pretty sure they still add some mystery to it. They don't have to reveal the exact names of the characters or anything, but they need to be clear on the content. ____ characters releasing alongside ____stages etc.

[@deadjoy96]

I think hype will be there if U put characters upfront then discussion will be about how would they play design etc ...

[@pingouuiin]

When you think of it it's actually insane to pay for content that : - you'll only be able to enjoy months after your purchase - you don't even know what exact content it'll be As much as I love speculating over what character will be in dlc, I think knowing what it's all about is a must nowadays

[@barrymaslow8441]

Cashed out from Strive because I wasn't going to shell out 170 dollars for a game.

[@Tanrosatplay]

I absolutely would prefer to know what's coming ahead of time. If I did, I might actually buy the season pass sometimes if I see I want most or all of it, rather than just buying individual dlc characters I want, which is my norm.

[@BenAstridge]

I feel like it says a lot about the business practice and ideas when sf6 releases their season pass and are entirely upfront and honest about the characters that will be in it from the moment it's available for purchase.

[@ceedashsi]

If they needed to fuel hype without giving away these big reveals for max exposure and attention, all they need to do is entail what KIND of character is coming. Let's use one of the season passes for Tekken 7 for example: - Announce a season pass - Promise an expected timeline when each DLC will drop - Mention what kind of characters will be included (x amount of legacy/classic Tekken characters + 1 guest character) You see that? You'll get hype and speculation who those legacy and guest characters might be and you didn't break any promise about not being precise about what that DLC will be. I'm not asking for namedrops for my Tekken 8 DLC, but I am asking for a proper release schedule ON TOP of being specific what should we be expecting. But really, I want Negan 2.

[@umphreak9999]

1:34 execs at Ubisoft and EA are already malding

[@sagittariusseiya8310]

This might be interesting for the DLC characters. Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8 are pretty good job for bringing their favourite characters back and I hope Akira Yuki would be in Tekken 8 this winter when the Virtua Fighter 6 trailer comes out.

[@aomafura3374]

Damn Steam updated because of Tekken 8 Heihachi Stage? lol

[@ReddAngry]

I gotta say I was wrong on the last video you made about the Sub Zero patch. He gain a hell of a lot more than he lost and now that I understand how the character is supposed to be played, I don’t think he needs the type of buffs everyone is asking for.

[@machoortv]

Quality video as usual

[@retrostart8681]

Heihachi DLC stage Incident Arc - Part 2 Edit: The situation sounds like anime thing happening for me

[@ElectricNikkiGames]

Privately owned and pro-consumer company has to make publicly traded anti-consumer companies to be better to consumers

[@DCMFR]

Seems like releasing multiple characters at once could be a nightmare balance wise but I think since fighting games lose players so fast they need to stretch releases out over time to retain interest. I personally just dislike long waits for dlc characters and releases having general timeframes instead of concrete dates

[@GenderNeutch]

Definitely prefer to have all the information upfront. I think the practice of pre-ordering things and giving companies money for stuff we don't know any specifics about (and the additional fact that you obviously have no clue about the quality of unreleased content) has gotten somewhat out of hand. And while I feel this way of doing things is being criticized more and more, it seems still enough people are willing to pay for stuff before release, so I think it's good and fair for companies like Valve to set up some barriers, albeit pretty flexible ones in this case. I sincerely hope there's more to come in that regard. Consumers (and this includes myself) aren't always making the most rational decisions, especially with a delicious carrot dangling in front of their faces.

[@Oolong-Dong]

Thank you Steam!

[@da_001]

this is directed at TEKKN 8 and HARADA being wishy--washy about whats in a season pass. scummy devs and scummy pubs. i hope steam is more strict. these pubs have too much freedom to nickle and dime players.

[@oblisk7778]

I'm in the camp of people that don't like it when Season Passes don't reveal their upcoming characters. Believe me, I understand the hype and anticipation of watching a live stream from an official account and going crazy over a character no one was expecting (**cough cough** Minecraft Steve in Smash **cough cough**). But now, as money has gotten a lot tighter for me, I can't be up and buying $40 - $60 AUD Season Passes for all the fighting games (or just games in general) that I play. I much prefer knowing what I'm gonna get and when, as apposed to it being a surprise.

[@applejuicejunkie316]

I have to say, this is good. You should be able to make an informed decision about what you're paying for before you buy. I can't believe they had to state and demand this, but I guess it was something most developers were already doing, but there was no formal policy they HAD to do this. Still, the best DLC I've played in any game has been Destiny 2: Forsaken. That really blew the lid off Destiny 2!

[@liu3chan]

I liked the Heihachi surprise. If you aren't a casul player you have to have all characters to practice against them anyway.

[@eliezer7779]

This is a good change. I'm usually gonna get the season pass regardless, but now knowing exactly who I'm buying is pretty lame. Also, aside from being more consumer friendly, you kinda get two hype cycles now: One for the season pass reveal, and another when you're ready to debut the character trailer and show them in action in-game.

[@xaininpc5625]

EVERY other dev team: Hey this is fair consumer practices, we've been leaning toward this lately anyway and it's still hype. Harada: Ok team, we're changing the entire Tekken lore so that every character since Tekken 1 is referred to as a "weapon"...

[@RarelyMichael]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but couldn't Fighting Games just keep doing what they've been doing. 'clearly communicate about the content' - Is it not already? In being told you'll receive a New Character? Yeah you aren't told what/who that character is, but does that not still count as being told the content?

[@hermontarmand2404]

I thought so too.

[@yaboytony3028]

Yes and no The main thing is Tekken and the Hei dlc. They gave out a new map for all players with lidia but now the hei map cost money for both deluxe and basic version players? Its odd

[@dwaynemcfadden731]

The ruling should apply to console sales as well and i like my season passes to be free and 100% tranparent on the dates of releases and whats in the pass.

[@Sin606]

Like to know what to expect, mystery is good, but then as a dev would get sore about the reveal being datamined... it'll be better for all to play with an open hand.

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

I'm cool either way but Have a character to look forward to feels a little better than hoping for a character

[@fryingpong2442]

I think this is ultimately a good thing thing, but man I really like the hype of character reveals, ima miss it.

[@r.c.3813]

For me the surprise is more fun than seeing every dlc from the start. I like being surprised and I'm also generally someone who enjoys almost any character anyway but obviously I'm probably in the minority in that so I get why people prefer to know the whole pass at the start even if it's so boring to me.

[@noboty4168]

I always hated the practice of and relying on hype to sell copies instead of just making the content worth buying and letting the quality speak for itself, so I very much welcome this change to force clarification of where my money would be going and make sure that I get it on time. RIP to Strive though, since arcsys can barely release things in a timely manner.

[@ochinchingadaisukinaooo0]

I hope Capcom will really add Lalo Salamanca, Mahito, and Power in SF6 as guest fighters for Season 3

[@LTSurge8888]

I was confused when Guilty Gear announced their whole DLC pack including Lucy, now I understand why

[@taco_sensei]

There are positives and negatives for me. Positives is that knowing all content makes it easier to buy a the season pass. Negagives is that we lose the hype reveals. But in the end the positives outweigh the negatives

[@Adon_key]

Street fighter was ahead of the curve showing us outfit 3's 40 years before release 🤣🤣🤣

[@just-hx2oj]

it's almost like GG Strive staff knew this was coming and decided to switch the reveal method for Season Pass 4 to what Street Fighter 6 have been doing lol

[@_Rhatsody]

Love this

[@Robotlien]

I think this will end up being massively beneficial for the consumer. I just don't get one thing, in steam the "season" pass is called a "Year 1 character pass" but in the reveal image it says "Season" in all caps... Like they can't stay consistent with their naming scheme

[@MaverickHunterXZA]

Imho, Tekken 8 is a prime example why things need to change regardless of what Steam says... That damn game has 4 (attempted 5) layers of monetization (Full price/Annual season pass/Seasonal battle pass/MTX shop and they attempted to split DLC off from the season pass) So yeah, i welcome every wrench that's thrown into this corpo insanity.

[@v.m.6549]

Honestly, i wouldn't like to now how they look or their gameplay, just who they are

[@A_Brainless_Goblin]

i bought empire of sin deluxe edition years ago, they never made the final DLC and there were no refunds, i believed those types of cases were why this happened. If i get to know everything up front now that is ideal. but my interpretation of it being ok to label DLC as two new weapons means its ok to say 4 new characters.

[@TheAciditty]

I wonder if future models will go back to the edition and reselling you the whole package in its entirety again as a separate game. Arcade, turbo, champion, or deluxe edition. Most likely this will cause in game launchers with store fronts pushing even more mtx's hope not.

[@DobbsterLobbster]

There also needs to be more rule/regulations on false marketing, particularly Mortal Kombat. Ed Boon said there would be no NPCs in MK11 which was a lie because Sektor and Cyrax, whom you fight in story mode and popular Kombatants, ARE NPCs. Generally the final bosses are NPCs, like Kronika, which is probably the only exception to that rule. Also we were promised, with MK1 roster, to have 24 playable kharacters at launch but only have 22. I’m not counting Shang Tsung because of the preorder kharacter bullshit in MKX, MK11, and MK1 (correct me if I’m wrong). The whole Ermac situation being playable from launch but got pushed back being DLC (buying him) should also be illegal. It wouldn’t be a big deal if everyone got him for free at a later date as an update. Steam or the government body that deals with this needs to regulate this

[@RosaryFGC]

Fantastic news.

[@funstorm1789]

OOoooooh abigous triple A DLCs have been buttfugged. not only does this undo what Killer Instinct did to us many years ago but this will change PC/Steam standards

[@leandrodavid6256]

I bet Bamco will start releasing characters individually. I don't see the Tekken team changing its approach next year. We'll see ..

[@LucaJordache]

Do you think there is potentially an issue in the wording steam uses for the restriction? Normally a policy like this would avoid using the word "should" because that still leaves the judgment up to the company. Tekken shouldn't promise dlc without listing it, but they still might, etc.

[@DrakeCurry5]

I loved mk9 so much

[@UnclePunchalot]

I think Steam should also ask devs to show a minimal date of servers shutdown for all live-service games.

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

its about time Namco should follow capcom's example

[@ryandeopante5317]

Capcom sold a deluxe pass on launch, which was just as bad when people learned what 7800 drive tickets did. (Nothing)

[@robertallshouse500]

I wish tekken listed all of their characters. I bought eddy because he’s always been my main. Would’ve bought the pass if I knew Heihachi was going to be there

[@KingSigmaVibes]

This should have came out years ago. DoA is a prime example of predatory dlc

[@BlackCatGamingXIII]

"The information about the content in the DLC doesn’t need to be detailed (simply “new weapons” or “two new weapons” is acceptable, they don’t have to list the exact weapons)." From the steam guideline site, so unfortunately fighting games can probably still get away with the vague "X new characters"

[@HolyHadou]

Does this update apply to DLC? River City Girls 2 DLC didn't launch on Steam but did everywhere else and I'm kinda salty. Otherwise I'm happy with this update and appreciate the transparency. Kinda wished it covered all DLC but I know that might be a stretch. (Again, I'm salty)

[@OnyxeBlade]

Season passes of any kind should ALWAYS let the consumer know what they are buying. Playing that "Oh it's a surprise but give us your money NOW!" isn't professional behavior in the slightest. However I can see Harada being REAL petty for season pass two. Probably doing something like "Oh since we gotta tell y'all the characters upfront. Well then it's Armor King, Katarina Alves, Lucky Chloe, and Rodeo Montana. Happy now?"

[@fakifumi]

Its a japanese thing, gambling habit are ingrained or endoctrinated very early stages of life with gacha balls, and on new years there this custom of buying Fukubukuro which you pay 100 bucks and pick a shopping bag concealing its content. The thrills lies in finding whats inside, so its a more expensive gatcha ball for adults.

[@MARK-r6c3k]

That's really interesting. Ya I would like to know who is going to be in the pass before buying it. You would be able to judge whether to buy the pass or pick and choose who you want if they don't happen to be all something your interested in playing. Although up to this point I've always gotten every character available just cause I want them all. Lol