Pokemon NPCs have been cheating for Decades

THOSE DASTARDLY NPC'S! We're not letting this one slip guys.
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[@RoryTheFiend]

I'm typing this from a convention hall as con goers are looking at our art stall o_o (internet is dying!) 🤔This is something a bit different for me, let me know what you guys thought of the video! What things could I improve on for next time? What topics would you like to see discussed? Etc etc Thank you everyone, hope you have a good day :-)

[@finnvaneekelen4966]

This might not be correct so ignore me if im stupid but i think gen 1 lance alos has at one point used an areodactyl with rock slide which it did not learn in gen 1. Again im probably stupid so ingore this

[@TimppaFin93]

2:07 So you mentioned only Aerodactyl knowing Rock Slide... But not a word about 3 Dragonites?! Each of them are under leveled, highest being 50 and if you forgot, Dragonair evolves into Dragonite at 55

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@finnvaneekelen4966 you're correct! Except it's in gen 2 he has rock slide aerodactyl

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@TimppaFin93 correct, I did realise this but I wanted to keep the video about the movesets not under levelled party members

[@DonutsProductions]

Lance's illegal Dragonite?

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

Calm mind on Milotic feel like something it should be able to learn legally tbh.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah absolutely, milotic looks like the calmest Pokémon of them all, very graceful and thoughtful lol

[@kitkatboard]

It would've been broken in gen 3-4 but with power creep, I can totally see Calm Mind Milotic be a balanced mon

[@tercial]

Especially since it's the opposite of Gyarados

[@redsnorlax1945]

Yea but it would be so dam broken in certain meta games

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

@@redsnorlax1945 True, but my counter argument is that they gave Gyarados Dragon Dance and Milotic sort of a counter part of Gyarados so I think they could get away with that.

[@shironeko1843]

My theory on that Lanturn is that when creating this NPC's team, they cloned they Claydol, changed the species to Lanturn and then edited the moves, somehow forgetting to erase Earthquake.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I can definitely see that be a possibility, very strange for sure

[@davidrozier1126]

Ladies and gentlemen, Gamefreak!

[@BierBart12]

Stuff that can only happen when your dev tools function completely differently than and ignore the in-game mechanics in a complex game

[@Slimeonian]

I’ve always thought that Lumineon should be able to learn Quiver Dance. It’s a butterfly fish, and Quiver Dance would give it a cool niche, as there are no water types that learn the move. Maybe make it more memorable too

[@andrewzorpas234]

That and access to roost and defog like it did in PLA and BDSP respectively. It would be a quiver dancer water type with reliable recovery. It can also pivot and remove hazards instead if it doesn't wanna quiver dance, such cool niches for such a forgotten mon

[@RoryTheFiend]

Lumineon needs something, poor fish is one of the most forgettable Pokémon imo, I'm down for quiver dance lumineon !

[@SakhotGamer]

crazy how one nice boosting move could lift it from the depths of untiered into something like NU or even RU

[@GaIeforce]

Masquerain _would've_ been that water type with Quiver Dance, but someone at GameFreak decided we needed Bug/Flying type # 52341 instead.

[@rickbill06]

​@@RoryTheFiendtrue I never remember him. Like I only think about him when I see him or when someone says his name. I literally never think of this pokemon out of my own toughts and I even think about relicanth and luvdisc sometimes.

[@A_Demon_Doggy]

I love the fact that in GSC, Lance has 3 underleveled Dragonites on his team. He needs a longer sentence 💀

[@kstanni87]

Stripped of his Elite 4 rank.

[@kirby771]

Lance was a fraud all along.

[@hitkid2456]

He probably found them in the wild, that can happen rarely I think, but I could be mistaken.

[@olivercharles2930]

@@hitkid2456 Funny way to spell death sentence.

[@JackOfBlades88]

Not only that, but his level 50 dragonite already knows outrage, which is also illegal. That and his aerodactyl knowing rock slide really annoyed me.

[@mettatonex7221]

The funny thing about AI Professor Turo's Iron Valiant is that it can't even be him doing the cheating. It's established at the start of the battle that he plucked each robot out of the future right before sending them out to fight the player. So maybe the Iron Valiant itself is cheating.

[@literallygrass1328]

Its iron valiants gen -1 moveset clearly

[@scrunkore]

iron valiant itself just glitched out in-universe and learned the move when it shouldn't

[@edgargaebolg9307]

It's okay, Paradox mons can reproduce in their natural habitat and IV learned it as an egg move

[@literallygrass1328]

@edgargaebolg9307 theyre genderless robots, its very unlikely

[@spitfire7170]

​@@literallygrass1328Iron Jugulis says otherwise

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

Fun fact: keckleon doesn't have camouflage

[@RoryTheFiend]

Nah that's wild, is the Japanese for that move something completely different? Only reason I could think of why it wouldn't learn it

[@hectorthe501st]

@@RoryTheFiend Kecleon does learn Camouflage, but only on Gen 6 onwards. In Gen 3, it was the signature move of the Staryu line for some reason, but it apparently has nothing to do with the Japanese name, as the literal translation of it is also 'Camouflage'. Why did it take so long for Kecleon to learn it? Absolutely no clue

[@RoryTheFiend]

@@hectorthe501st staryu and starmie could've had a way cooler signature move, thanks for the info though only took game freak 10 years to sort it

[@cocomunga]

Admittedly, it won’t be doing much because right after you use it, you’ll change type again. I guess it could be used to avoid taking ghost type attack damage.

[@otton3858]

Something I also noticed that in Gen 2 Bruno has a Machamp with Rock Slide, despite the fact that Machamp can't learn Rock Slide in Gen 2.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Well according to bulbapedia you can get rock slide on machamp via transferring a gen 1 machamp, so yeah under normal circumstances rock slide on machamp is impossible but since Bruno has it and he is a gen 1 lad I can find that acceptable

[@yoshiwoollyworld]

Is rock slide not a tm in general 1?

[@Dukstless]

The funniest case of "looks hacked but isn't" is Battle Chateauline Evelyn and her Entei with Sacred Fire. Which before XY was only on Ho-Oh.

[@smoldoritochild4136]

I always felt like Ninetales should learn psychic. I have no real reason as to why but it feels like a pokemon that should get it. There are many pokedex entries talking about how magical and smart it is so it just makes sense to me

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah ninetales in general needs to learn more Psychic and Ghost moves in my opinion (also its special attack never should've been nerfed and should've stayed a clean 100 like in gen 1)

[@pixxyofice]

It's able to have access to extrasensory which in my mind is like one of the psychic move steps before psychic so the fact that it doesn't? Sad. My favorite pokemon is vulpix so I am extra sad about anything that can hold this line back haha

[@pearofclubs6280]

I'd like to present a horribly nitpicky defense for a few of these. In instances where a Pokémon knows a move it learns via level up too early, it could have been inherited. A child inherits moves that they would learn via level up from its parents if both of the parents know the move. So Price could've bred his old L.33 Piloswine with another 'mon who knew Fury Attack, and his current one is the resulting child. Of course, that would be STUPID, but it's enough to get reasonable doubt in court.

[@silentthunder2012]

Here's one that i don't think i've seen anyone ever talk about. In Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness, Team Snagem Leader Gonzap has a Skarmory with Hyper Beam. Skarmory has never been able to learn that move in any generation.

[@TrayolLyrics]

QOTD: I was upset that Zamazenta could not learn Body Press in Gen 8. Brand new Fighting-type move that used the Defense stat to attack with and the new Fighting-type legendary with a higher Defense than Attack stat. Gen 9 did fix this travesty. In Gen 9, Infernape finally gets access to Drain Punch, but Pawmot doesn't. Even though Pawmot gets Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch, Mach Punch and now Focus Punch.

[@goatmin]

Don’t get me started on Pokémon evolving before they could 😂

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

Tbh they should level up earlier if their stats are higher

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

And I thought the _"Lance's Dragonite are below level 55"_ was just an exception. These are so dumb.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I don't understand why they'd manually give dragonite barrier, not like it's an amazing move either, would love to know their thought process when they did that

[@DistortedChrist]

Funnily enough I brought a lvl 10 Dragonite in from POGO

[@joeywang4638]

I felt robbed when I learned that nincada can't learn endeavor

[@RoryTheFiend]

You're thinking of a sinister plan with shedinja aren't you

[@joeywang4638]

@@RoryTheFiend best Xern/Kyogre check But in all seriousness, I'm baffled that Chandelure can't learn Moon Blast

[@Gamer3427]

I feel like a few of these moves that are from level up aren't actually illegal, since if I recall correctly when you breed a pokemon it can have any move in its level up pool as an egg move, allowing them to get access to moves they wouldn't learn until higher level starting at level 1/5. Though I'd have to look into each of the specific cases mentioned to see if any of these are actually applicable for this.

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

It usually is. All you need to do is breed two Pokemon of the same species (or in the same evolution line) that both know that move.

[@jacquespaught]

That only works if the first stage can still learn the move. But for example, Swablu cannot learn Dragon Dance, so Winona's Altaria is still illegal.

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

⁠@@jacquespaughtI think you have causation mixed up. Breeding moves doesn’t only work if the Pokémon can learn it, the Pokémon can learn it because you can breed it with the move

[@jacquespaught]

@@IndexInvestingWithCole I've gotten nothing mixed up. The entire point of breeding a Pokémon's natural moves is so they have them at a lower level, for example giving Mudkip Hydro Pump fresh from an egg. It would make perfect sense to try and get Dragon Dance early on Altaria, but this cannot be done because Swablu cannot learn the move.

[@shikaru1730]

I like the idea that Brock learned how to teach bind earlier, then the time skip everyone learned his method

[@robertlupa8273]

2:54 Not gonna lie, I would love to see movesets of regular trainers (mosty the "elite" ones, like Ace Trainers and Veterans) listed in the same fashion as "important" trainers, if only to see stuff like this. :)

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I agree! Most sites won't even tell you what the random npcs movesets are, I want all the important info! I had to delve into trainer data spread sheets and make them look as close to legit bulbapedia info card things as possible!

[@massimodalessandro108]

I still don't understand why Ninetales can't get Psychic... SO MANY POKÉMON can learn it, but NOT Ninetales! It feels like it'd fit perfectly, but Extrasensory is as close as Ninetales gets... I dunno if it'd be extremely useful competitively or anything, but I'd just like that powerful psychic type TM on it for my normal playthroughs...

[@ryuuronin9852]

Honestly I kinda like the boss fights of the game having moves it can't normally know (or at least has them earlier). It implies that maybe they are more experienced than the player and can pull out potential that the player can't. Makes them feel like more organic creatures than pieces of code. Plus, its basic difficulty design in RPGs to give bosses access to stuff the player can't use. It's why stuff like Ghetsis' Hydreigon is tough: because at that point in the game you cant get a Dragon that's faster than it, and its not high enough level to reasonably use one of your own to match it. That's how you make Pokemon games difficult: dont give the player access to every pokemon in the dex until the post game, it opens a nearly infinite number of combos that will trivialize even the most well thought out encounters.

[@olivercharles2930]

Nah.

[@Rot8erConeX]

To be fair for the Indeedee, *Male* Indeedee can learn Trick Room, and to my understanding, both male and female Indeedee were available via the raid. So it's likely a case of them just forgetting to reset the move list after calculating gender, since male is the default form and female is the alternate form. That being said, by giving female Indeedee access to Trick Room in order to make the affected Pokémon tradeable, they actually balanced the TM compatibilities of the two genders, so, good mistake. I wish instead they'd given female Indeedee an offensive move since she's the offensive one of her species, and male is the support - or maybe Tidy Up since she's based on a maid. But by taking one move that was male-exclusive and giving both genders access, they actually evened out the number of moves each gender could learn.

[@gamezharks]

Up until recently I'd've said Shell Smash Torterra, however, we finally won...

[@RoryTheFiend]

It's so cool they actually gave torterra shell smash, who knows what they'll give an older Pokémon next!

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

Lance is just really good at training pokemon, I swear

[@browncow5210]

What do I want to learn for flavor? Tinkaton getting smackdown. The dex goes on about how it smacks birds out of the air with rocks, but for some reason it can't actually do that. For useability, give Yanmega quiver dance. Let the special attacking bug boost its special stats and sweep.

[@TrayolLyrics]

Another Scarlet/Violet illegal move is the 6 Star Kilowattrel raids which give it Rain Dance, perfect for the Electric/Flying type to use Thunder and Hurricane. But Kilowattrel can't learn Rain Dance and it is coded as an extra move so it doesn't appear when caught.

[@Adjudicator1]

Coded "Extra Moves" in high star Tera Raids can be explained as the extremely intense Terastal Phenomenon not only imparting moves and abilities not normally learnable / inherent by the species, but also allowing the species to surpass limits (In this case, the 4 moveslot limit)

[@oelboy]

Ampharos not getting Tail Glow is an outrage!!

[@keebs5780]

Had no idea about that Lanturn, that’s so funny. But yeah, Lance is Pokémon’s resident cheater. Though I prefer to think he just knows something everyone else doesn’t! Also had no idea about Pokémon straight up having deleted moves in BDSP lmao, that’s so funny. There’s so many like completely irrelevant illegal moves like sand attack and water gun that seem pretty useless, but I imagine the case of water gun was for balancing purposes; they probably didn’t want to give it something really strong so they just said “screw it, water gun” and assumed it probably knew it lmao. Pretty interesting! Usually videos I see mentioning this topic just talk about Lance or some of the more obvious ones but I had no idea about a good bulk of these. Nice video!

[@RoryTheFiend]

I learned a lot making this video! I was honestly expecting by gen 4 or so to have all the mistakes gone, but nah some really fascinating instance and yeah gen 8 with bdsp especially has some fascinating mistakes still present today. The Mr mime with power whip when it's negative attack nature 0 IV AND 0 EVs, I wonder if something at like level 10 If it 4x resists could survive a hit Anyway I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@JustAnotherHaiku]

You know, I was expecting Ghetsis's level 54 Hydreigon to be here, but you went above and beyond.

[@mazyyKaizo]

Bro we need an intro. Nice job on the vid lad

[@RoryTheFiend]

I never even considered that, maybe one day! And thanks maz appreciate it

[@doug-goat]

Give dragon dance to garchomp. I’m talking to you, Game Freak

[@goatmin]

Finally someone calls them out…

[@RoryTheFiend]

Truth spoken to power

[@thebackrow4247]

Because of E-speed Dratini I am willing to believe that Lance’s family canonically raises these hackmons

[@jschannel6319]

Kyurem should get Ice Punch.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I'm down for that!

[@shockolatechip7844]

In the DLC wave 1 for Scarlet and Violet, Indeedee Female was given access to learn Trick Room by TM

[@KeithPickeringGuy]

This never really bothered me, because I never saw Pokemon levels as something that exist in a literal sense in-universe. They're more like a representation of the work you've done training the Pokemon, just for the sake of quantifying it. My character didn't manage to teach this Pokemon a certain move by level X, but maybe another trainer did.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Had to stop at 2:50. Gen 3 was my favorite gen as a kid and it most definitely had the best music The nostalgia was too strong! It was literally overwhelming

[@iPknEdge]

It makes sense that the powerful gym leaders/elite 4 have moves that were learned early. They're elite trainers. Imo

[@CaptainObliviousV]

I think the reason Return was deleted was because in gen 8 they merged Affection into Friendship. I suppose they couldn’t adjust the thresholds like they did with stuff like friendship evolutions without throwing the move’s balance out of whack. You’d either have a 102 power move at half the maximum friendship if they changed the move to work under the stat cap (the stat stops increasing at a certain point until you play with the specific Pokémon in Camp or Picnics, removing the limit and letting it increase into thresholds that give affection buffs), or you’d have a 102 power move that also had a boosted chance to crit due to affection buffs stacking. Of course this problem wouldn’t affect competitive since affection buffs are turned off in PvP, but return would be even more busted in a casual run.

[@1stCallipostle]

So THAT'S why I rarely have affection things happen in the last 2 gens

[@Wonderguard1]

Plot twist: The "professor" had picnics with his other pokepals

[@ytk2508]

Flareon+Sizzly Slide (one of the partner eevee’s moves in lgpe) cause it’s a strong physical fire move that has no recoil and always burns, wich would actually make Flareon good at things

[@Eternal-fractal]

i'd love samurott to get shell smash

[@RoryTheFiend]

That's such a good idea I never thought of that! samurott would be such a menace, got the stat distribution for it

[@BierBart12]

With how Lance is portrayed in every story romhack ever, I imagine those moves aren't the only illegal thing he carries into pokemon battles

[@canisarcani]

Some of these are not actually illegal. A lot of what you mentioned are pokemon knowing moves before they learn them naturally: but you're forgetting about breeding. Everyone knows about egg moves and how if the father of a different species than the baby knows a move the child gets from an egg move it will pass to them dispite being a different species than the father. But, theres also another way to pass moves on with same species parents: if both parents know a level up move that the child would learn later at a high level, it will pass on to them. So it's possible (and thus perfectly legal) for a dratini, for example, to know outrage at level one.😅 So most of these are not illegal, or cheating, or hacked, or whatever: They're just using pokemon that were bred for those moves.😅

[@RoryTheFiend]

Dang I was really showing my lack of Pokémon breeding knowledge then lol, thanks for the insight!

[@canisarcani]

@RoryTheFiend I mean, tbf it's not the most widely known mechanic because most people breed for egg moves, not learned moves.

[@jamesmkay]

Lance’s barrier dragonite was given away via mystery gift once so it’s legal now. Back then it definitely wasn’t, but it’s nice they acknowledged it

[@WolfBergMenace]

In Diamond and Pearl, somewhere very early on theres a Trainer with a Shinx that knows Spark a bunch of levels earlier than it should.

[@MemoriesGamer612]

You don't get to be Champion of the Pokemon League without knowing how to spam Full Restores! -mattyburrito Lance 2015

[@MrTimelord77]

Some moves can be attributed to breeding as when I bred my Pokémon, they were high leveled and they offspring always had high leveled moves from the moment they were born.

[@Chipstopher]

Bulbapedia says Feint Attack Delcatty in BDSP was fixed in 1.1.3 and it now knows Covet instead

[@MazterP28]

Growl on growlithe

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

And camouflage for keckleon And teleport for mew n mewtwo And also why does ghastly know every punching move?!?!?!?!

[@RoryTheFiend]

Oh yeah ice punching gastly makes total sense, where are it's hands in its 3d model in games like battle revolution I want to know how that animation looks!

[@sojournertaylor6897]

Hippowdon not getting dig until HG/SS is cursed.

[@gluttonousgoddess]

Perish Song or Sing on Gourgeist. The dex mentions it sings as it prepares to kill you!

[@No_Sleepee]

The worst offender of this is everyone who has ever owned a Hydreigon in the Unova games. It's ALWAYS level 52, 12 levels below when you can obtain one. So you're left stuck fighting a beast with legendary-level of stats and no 4x weakness (at the time).

[@argonianale5716]

I would always action replay my starter Sneasels to have illegal moves, mainly Icicle Spear. Pissed off my best friend one time using Jump Kick Sneasel on his Aron lol

[@RoryTheFiend]

You're a menace to society, respect for giving sneasel what it deserves though

[@EmberTheFlareon3579]

I remember a certain gym trainer in a water type gym having a level 32 Golduck.

[@geckohunter123]

I’m less confused by the Lanturn and more confused by the clay doll that has skill swap “which would give you levitate” and a move that can’t hit a levitating Pokémon

[@RoninCatholic]

Brock is a pokemon breeder, so of course he loves breeding his rock hard snake.

[@tvb5509]

Toxel should really learn lick. It's usually depicted with its tongue out and is associated with paralysis.

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

I knew that the first time I got hit with a 20% accuracy move. Ten times in a row.

[@coltonriffle2310]

Don't forget the fact that Lance's Dragonite in Gen 2 is on Lv 50, when Dragonair evolves into Dragonite on Lv 55. And Winona's Altaria in Gen 3 is on Lv 33, when Swablu evolves into Altaria on Lv 35.

[@pk5727]

The snakes get coil……and if they don’t, they should

[@Geekzilla84]

In Gen 1, in Pokémon Tower Gary's Gyarados uses Hydro Pump at level 25.

[@GabrielEsguerra-i7z]

Infernal parade on ninetails (i mean come one ninetails if it had a mega evo it would be a ghost type)

[@josephsmith9650]

For the pokemon that know moves earlier than they should, wasnt there a mechanic when pokemon hatched from eggs could inherit moves known by their parents?

[@danielfinley509]

There are dozens of pokemon that should be able to learn bite.

[@cloudtender8813]

Garchomp should learn Fly and extreme speed, No explanation needed

[@Yzzami]

In of of the battle facilities, I don’t remember which one but I think it was on ds. A bidoof outsped a maxed out crobat. No quick claw. No speed altering moves. No priority move used. Just an ice beam

[@RoryTheFiend]

that bidoof must have had 999 in every stat o_o

[@reactionlessssbu-clips2723]

To be fair breeding exists so Sidney could breed 2 shiftry with extrasensory to have it since birth

[@DragonKazooie89]

But Seedot can't lean Extrasensory so it still doesn't work

[@SantosOverlord]

on gen3 by breeding you can get mons to learn moves earlier, just saying like a lvl5 charmander with flamethrower

[@wobbieadam]

Gen 2: Pretty sure Karen's Houndoom know Crunch too early

[@intergalactic92]

3:15 thank you for this. Good to see I’m not the only dismayed by how much the word theory gets misused in this context.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Yeah I've got a fascination with science, mainly space, so seeing people misuse the word theory is a bit of a pet peeve of mine!

[@hotashikayaba910]

Hottake: most water types should get to learn aqua ring.

[@thundercurrie0]

Electrike and Manectric cannot learn dig. I'll say that again, Electrike and Manectric CANNOT learn dig.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Dig is one of those moves all dog pokemon should learn!

[@Espik_23]

Female Indeedee can learn Trick Room by TM now in the Teal Mask DLC

[@TrickiousRickious]

Drill Peck on Rhydon? I don’t know how useful it’d be, but the Grass coverage would be cool

[@cmvgomj]

I think breeding might be an explanation for most of these

[@ShortRacoon]

How are we in the ninth generation already and growlithe still cant learn growl

[@RoryTheFiend]

He's just a good boy, doesn't want to growl

[@crimsonmaelstrom573]

It was blatantly obvious that some npcs were cheating. But it just made it even more satisfying when you beat them

[@thelakeguardian8188]

Hypnosis on Mesprit, Azelf and Espeon.

[@jasonwilliams5117]

Did the math on that hypothetical Slaking’s attack stat and it stressed me out.

[@RoryTheFiend]

Doesn't Slaking max out at 460 or something, so 920 with pure power, and 1380 with choice band? Seems pretty balanced to me

[@insanityworks4ussu4skrowyt34]

QOTD: Honestly, Garchomp not getting Dragon Dance always seemed very wierd to me.

[@RoninCatholic]

Entirely done for balance reasons. It's already a super fast scary good physical attacker, Dragon Dance would only make it even more clearly the favorite dragon.

[@stevepierce227]

For the ones that have moves at a lower level than they would normally learn, you could legally obtain them by breeding two of the same species mons both knowing those moves, and the mon hatched from the egg would know that move at level 1. That is what is used for little cup pokemon to know stronger moves, so technically they aren't illegal.

[@djt08031996]

Some of these i feel were legal when the Pokémon were made, but got overlooked when their species lost the moves in question or similar happened

[@boogliejooglie3700]

Some of those pokemon could learn those moves from tms, that hippowdon in platinum can learn dig as a tm

[@christopherhall5361]

Ash's Pikachu used Thunder in the first episode with zero training though

[@_WiZ420]

For what it is worth, you can make a head canon that aerodactyl was supposed to have learned it, but then you’d have to do that for the other fossils

[@eazybuxafew]

Pure power, choice band, eSpeed Slaking?!!! 😮 that’s terrifying

[@TheBlueWizzrobe]

QOTD: Noctowl is a forgotten pokemon that comes to mind for me. Cosmic power would be a cool move that would fit for it. I also think it would be cool if it had an ability that bypasses all immunities, so its normal moves would be able to hit ghosts and its psychic moves would be able to hit dark types. Ursaluna already has Mind's Eye, so something similar but slightly better for Noctowl, which is a _far worse_ Pokémon on its own, would be cool to me. Cosmic power, roost, and stored power that can hit dark types could give Noctowl an actual niche, and I think that would be cool.

[@RoryTheFiend]

I would love to see some Noctowl appreciation, design wise I quite like it so seeing a buff like Minds Eye or its own version would be welcome (and maybe raising its stats a bit too game freak)

[@dominicthecool1784]

0:59 Shelder, Lick enough said

[@Mirus2000]

5:26 Rory, you better sleep with one eye open.

[@GoonieLord]

The Legendary Lair with the Flyers

[@Scathed1]

Nobody gonna talk about the rival's gyarados knowing hydro pump in lavendar town???

[@RoryTheFiend]

ooh you're right! Gyarados only has hydro pump early since it's one of its default "level 1" moves but you can't catch a wild gyarados so this is impossible until level 41, good shout I had no idea!

[@904funny]

In Pokémon Go, Primeape was accidentally given Weather Ball

[@RoryTheFiend]

Oh that's interesting wonder how they managed to slip up like that

[@904funny]

@@RoryTheFiend it was only for less than a day, but someone streamed using it in GBL chuckling the whole time. Weather Ball (water)

[@UrdnotWrex88]

I think Pinsir should be able to learn mega horn.

[@zeusalternative1270]

Joke's on you, from an event Dragonite can learn barrier so Lance's team is legal. That event was none other than "Lance's Dragonite", therefore creating Lance's paradox, Is a legal move or Lance just rewrote reality?

[@RoryTheFiend]

Reality bends to Lance's will o_o I need to stop throwing shade at him

[@beaumclean747]

Iris and the other gym leader in Pokémon black and white have an illegal haxorous

[@rjd-kh8et]

The Onix Master Trainer's Onix in the Let's Go games knows Wrap. It was probably meant to be Bind.

[@bigfootsb284]

Look how Bulbpedia spelled Faint Attack instead of Feint Attack

[@Pyrogecko08]

You can breed pokemon to hatch knowing moves in their level up learnset by having both parents know the move, so the cases of knowing a move early are not necessarily illegal. I bred some dunsparce to hatch knowing hyper drill to have a level 2 dudunsparce and it worked.

[@Polygonyall]

i realized yesterday that tinkaton doesnt get iron head which makes me so mad