Rosalind Picard: Affective Computing, Emotion, Privacy, and Health | Lex Fridman Podcast #24

[@lexfridman]

I really enjoyed this conversation with Roz about emotion, ethics, privacy, and health. Outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:00 - Affective computing 2:45 - Clippy 5:03 - Diversity in computer science 5:55 - Emotion in AI 8:40 - Privacy 18:10 - Forming a connection with AI systems 30:31 - Emotion 39:05 - Measuring signals from the brain and the body 50:20 - Future AI systems 53:50 - Faith and science 56:35 - Meaning of life

[@jeffjohnson8624]

please tell Rosalind to use Pupilometry cause the Pupils dialate when in the dark (which is why bars are usually dark cause dudes drink more if fooled that the lady they're drinking with looks like she digs you, it's all about money. ) and when viewing someone you love *ahem*, and Pupils contract when in the light, and when conflict is about to break out and when lying your pupils will contract ever so slightly. we don't notice on a Conscious level, but we pick it up subconsciously. like when you get a "weird" feeling in your gut that "somebody's watching me, and i get no privacy🎶"-from the song I Always Feel Like Somebody's Watching Me by Rockwell. 🎶☮️🖖

[@noswag5773]

When is the #2?

[@tmcleanful]

Lex it might be worth reposting this video or clips of it - some of your older vids have some really fascinating content in them but there wasn't much engagement. The phenomenon of atheist scientists who once bought the absolutist position of the Hegelian ideology that has dominated science culture converting to Christianity while continuing to faithfully and properly apply the scientific method to research and discovery is very interesting. There's an entire sub-culture of Christian scientists - some in the closet and others who speak openly about it. We're dealing today with a battle between those who believe in free exploration and discovery via science and those who demand adherence to an authoritarian and Hegelian/Nietzschean ideology many call "scientism" that is hostile towards any other belief system held by scientists or any discussion of science in a context other than that of materialist reductionanism - to the point where it targets and demands the ostracization of those who disagree.

[@danieljdick]

Before today I did not know who Rosalind Picard was. But I found this to be my favorite of all interviews so far. Prior to hearing this interview, I had a very superficial and mechanical view of a computer's ability to sense emotions. For instance, Andrew Ng and some other AI teachers introduced students to tracking landmarks around the eyes, nose, and other facial features. But capturing heart rates and subtle color changes, voice, and all was majorly eye opening on one level. But she opened our eyes to political, business, and security implications and so much more. I feel I came away changed, but not changed enough. I feel I need to watch this again--not because there was anything difficult to understand about it, but rather because I don't want to lose anything I gained by watching it the first time. My wife was watching the political news on her phone, and even though she is not an AI person as such, her attention was interrupted by this interview and I had to pause the video so we could discuss the implications of what Rosalind was saying. I came away feeling it would be ideal to work with or for her or her organization in some capacity. Lately I felt a little burned out studying AI and felt frustrated and stagnated a little. But this made me want to plunge back in and finish what I started and really master this stuff. What she said gives a good, healthy purpose to AI. It's not just another toy box or gimmick that promises to change the world, but it has potential to do great things for people including perhaps saving lives, preventing suicides, improving cognitive function, and such. But in the hands of the wrong people, it can also have a dark side as computers usually do unfortunately. In the early 1980s, I did some work for a neurologist and psychologist creating some C programs under MS-DOS and Berkeley Unix on a VAX 750 for handwriting analysis and for analyzing the effects of damage to the parietal region of the brain. Later, my daughter would be born and grow up to be a neural science major who switched to cognitive science, and her boyfriend would get me back into math, physics, and artificial intelligence. In 2006 or 2007, I took my wife for a walk around Stanford to show her where I studied systems and databases back in the 1990s, and we started talking about an idea for something that could detect someone's emotions or state of mind and present music perhaps for music therapy to help if they were having some kind of emotional melt-down or stress or problem concentrating or relaxing. But we never had the time or never set aside the time to build up something like this. We even had a name for it. This gave me a bit of a shot in the arm. I'm going to have to talk with my wife more about this. I think that simple little camera on my laptop or on my phone could provide everything I might need to be able to create what I've been thinking about. I don't think it would require something as powerful as a gpu. It might even be doable on a pi. Anyway, it's giving me the push I needed to stop being bored and to dive in and finish the coursework I've been doing and to get busy on real world things. Thank you for sharing this interview.

[@LorakusFul]

@@lonnybulldozer8426 That's something I wasn't expecting to see here. Those AI troll bots are really a thing now, good job guys. Hope you've gathered enough Daniel's facial data after he saw this comment.

[@wtfhowbizarre1946]

Download Affdex app.

[@BellaBella-jw9ef]

Sooo…did you follow through on your project?

[@jimlbeaver]

One of your best philosophical introspections yet. Thanks, great job....excellent food for thought

[@rebelwave2549]

Loved the recent talk with Rana - it brought me here! Looked this up, nice surprise that its from 2019 and not as refined as the recent ones, I can see Lex's growth and it's magnificent!

[@MisaHuyenNguyen]

These scientists are so intelligent yet very humble and down to earth. Keep these coming Lex!

[@daveyofyeshua]

Best answer imo to the 'meaning of life' I've seen this far on a Lex podcast 👍

[@PhiladelphiaPhilms]

Emotion is probably overlooked in AI research... looking forward to this talk

[@jeffjohnson8624]

yup. the AIs forces positivity rammed down my throat. i'd like it if AIs had a bad day so i could comfort the AI. it's like seriously. when it comes to psychological therapy, there are many types and different techniques. choose the one psychological therapy suits you. Because everybody is different a "one type of AI fits all" isn't possible. AI are complex software, not tube socks. ☮️🎶🖖

[@zackandrew5066]

Addressing the issue of alleviating loneliness using AI is a very important topic. Thank you

[@alinazari4658]

What a great episode. Thanks Lex.

[@thomasyamaguchi6434]

Tks for both , love to see remember Rosalind Picard.

[@djai1662]

As soon as she said it I was like "uh oh everyone knows that's a soft spot for Lex" 😂 21:20

[@Clif87]

A very interesting conversation. It's encouraging to see someone at the forefront of this research being so self aware of its potential benefits and dangers.

[@paulhuddleston7074]

Awesome awesome.. finding my place in this world by understanding

[@LorakusFul]

So inspiring! Endless thanks towards You, Lex.

[@hanselpedia]

Another great interview! Thanks and continue the good work...

[@zenwithamit]

I listened it over a period of 2 weeks in small doses because I felt there was so much depth in each of Ros's line that I wanted to make sure I get it before I move ahead. I have never heard a scientist appreciate "faith" so clearly and strongly before. I am an engineer by education but I have a strong belief that there's a truth and a supreme power that has some role in my life to play. I don't know what it is for sure but as said it is my faith. I am glad I am not the only one who loves science but at the same time believe in something unseen. Great commentary from Lex as well. Thank you for doing this.

[@yossimolcho841]

Thank you! this is the future of our personal computing devices.

[@brantwedel]

Wow! Some serious shade thrown at 4:55 , but good discussion around that point!

[@samuelandrews2315]

@55:20 I liked that she calls out Sam Harris on truth and the idea of science not being able to define truth. I would love her to go on his podcast to discuss these ideas further, ive never heard someone present an argument like her's around love in response to what his ideas are on the moral landscape.

[@h2hjastermereel]

Unfortunately she replaces truth with faith. So she is moving from something concrete to an answer that is more ephemeral. Sam Harris would destroy her spiritual arguments.

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@h2hjastermereel Sam Harris has destroyed nothing but his reputation in the last few years. Thinking everything about this world can he explained by science is naive and fails quickly so saying she went from concrete to ephemeral is a false binary - there are that are only ephemeral and some of what you call “concrete” will be proven wrong in the future by the same science that says it’s concrete now. That is in fact the cycle of science of continually proving itself wrong, thus arrogance is required to think current science on any number of topics won’t also be proven wrong given a few years. “Concrete” isn’t that concrete and ephemeral is actually more concrete over time given the consistency of, say, human emotions over history.

[@Miki736]

Rosalind you are very lovely human being! , keep on your job ;) i don't know how else to say this, but you just seem to be very warm calm and good person

[@pacowong1603]

Great interview! Thank Lex! By the way, I observed that videos involving a female guest consistently have much fewer views.

[@angelinarobert622]

That "makes me sorry to be human a little ray of hope wouldn't hurt at all"- from the song Grace by Erasure. Women have made great contrabutions to technological advancements for humankind, from Rachel Carson environmentalist to Ada Lovelace the first computer programmer and Rosalind Picard and her affective computing. Peace be with you. Thanks for pointing out the sexism among the techies. i think Lex has an awesome interview with Whitney Cummings who has her own robot named "Bear Claw."

[@h2hjastermereel]

You mean - more focused views.

[@kgoodwin486]

"if you're lonely you're not alone" brilliant succinct irony...could be a poster or something:) @19:54

[@MrMoonFlame]

“I grow even more in awe of what the science can reveal because I'm more in awe of all there is we don't know” ~ Rosalind Picard Beautifully stated ❤️ If you take a deep dive into the history of science, you will learn that the scientific method of testing the null hypothesis owes its origin to theology, specifically negative theology. In the words of Plotinus, “we can only say what is not, for what is we cannot say.”

[@rezamahmoudi382]

hello. Dear prof Lex Fridman , Thanks for your great work. In some of the popular websites you can watch videos with other languages subtitle (like Ted and coursera) which is done by volunteers from other countries. I'm a fan of your website and was wondering if you have the same feature? And if so, how can I use it? Otherwise I can be a Persian language coordinator for you and I can bring some other coordinators as well. Best, reza mahmoudi

[@beeruwu]

Bookmarks: 14:07 31:40 34:40 Place stopped at 46:00

[@lop2167]

Lex really wants a robot girlfriend. More than anyone I know. Lol. Great podcast.

[@coltonsnyder1262]

Algorithmic design and the psycho-social-spiritual framework of the programmers have so much influence. I am curious about how cognitive dissonance of equally "valued" cultural axioms that are opposites or slightly different perform in artificial intelligence. Like one of the most extreme examples at this period in time of a dualistic (not considering LGBTQ+ perspectives, etc) patriarchy-matriarchy, and subtle implications. This of course could be altered and subtly redressed to many not so dualistic philosophies and societal perceptions. This information is even more useful now than it was last year. Namaste ✌💜💜💜

[@oed572]

very interesting!

[@nelsond.jimenezmedina9476]

Watching this in 2024 hearing the limitations of AI just 4 years ago is astonishing.

[@MAnwar96]

I saw the conversation with Rana el Kaliouby and came here to see Rosalind.

[@michaelwalsh9920]

This is really fun, all of your guests are Apex individuals. With every interview, you climb higher to the eye of the pyramid. Appreciate your diligence and respect. 🫲🫱That’s what it’s all about.

[@jeffjohnson8624]

i like this Lex & Rosalind AI Podcast interview, she knows current events & every street corner in Beijing has facial recognition AIs. China has also big history of reverse engineering. So i suspect that they've been trying to reverse engineer my KZbin & my Google Play Store. i'm in favor of legislation in AI development. but i don't think politicians know enough about Computer Science and AIs.

[@GreyOne]

On the question about emotion 30:31, i have missed where psicopaths, sociopaths and narcissits fit in all of that reasoning. Great interview though.

[@HexaSquirrel]

Wait, Lex isn't wearing a shirt and jacket? Our simulations glitching. Seriously though, another great podcast Lex!

[@williamramseyer9121]

Wonderful interview. Two kind humanists from the tech world discussing so many deep questions. My comments: 1) Technology has reduced hunger and disease and done many wonderful things. Two problems caused in part by technology that remain to be resolved: economic disparity and loneliness. 2) Technological progress is deflationary. Central banks fight deflation by trying to increase the money supply through lowered interest rates and buying bonds. The central bank efforts allow those with credit to buy more investments driving up the price of stock and real estate, and making those people and companies richer. Those who cannot borrow to invest become poorer as rents and some necessities go up in price whereas real wages at the bottom do not. How can we distribute the massive wealth created by technology without destroying the great things about a market economy such as freedom, creativity, and risk taking? The government does not create wealth. Taxes alone will not end economic disparity for many reasons, including: the problem that the profits of corporations do not contain enough wealth to support large taxes and still allow for research, reward to investors; and the additional problem that corporations and wealthy people will change their behavior, or even their country, to avoid high taxes. Solving the problem of economic disparity while preserving capitalism could prevent the rise of nationalism and the next world war. Many brilliant people watch Lex’s vidos-some of you could solve this problem. 3) Loneliness and related mental problems such as suicides and drug addiction result from people not being part of a close physical human group. We evolved to live close to other people in small groups, to touch other humans and communicate with them using all our senses, to experience trust and love. Today, we live in isolation. Families are small and scattered. Some of us find it hard to make or keep friends. Many of us do not touch another human for long periods of time. Countless old people die alone. 4) I have no solution for these problems. Just some thoughts. What does it mean to be human? What is important about our humanity, and how can we preserve and enhance it? What is valuable about our society or other societies, and how can we preserve and enhance those qualities? I don’t know, but I do feel that we should somehow reward those who take care of others, reward them with help and prestige. The basis of humanity may be kindness. Kindness can be nourished by great parents and teachers, and we should make them the pinnacle of our future high tech world. Thank you. William L. Ramseyer

[@EzoFitness]

Amazing video!! Has given me some new ideas for some videos on my channel!💪

[@TheMrXDion]

You should look into monetising your channel with some sponsors or just ads, your work is phenomenal!

[@paulinesz15]

definitely there is more than what meets the eye😘

[@OO-ie1pe]

meaning and a purpose

[@ericzong1189]

wow she is a scientist AND a very feminine and gracious woman.

[@SaifIjaz]

Who is downloading the movie Her while listening to the talk?

[@jeffjohnson8624]

Stanford University neuroendocrinologist Professor and lecturer on Human Behavior. Says "Empathy is defined as feeling someone's pain." if you wince when you watch Robocop the 1987 original version, you have empathy. if you don't wince nor groan. you don't have empathy. Robert Sapolsky has 3 chapters devoted to Empathy and the biological under pinnings of Empathy. "Biology and psychology are intertwined"- by Robert Sapolsky in his book Behave:Human Biology At Our Best And Worst. ☮️🖖🎶

[@DisruptarianRadio]

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." author ~ "Albert Einstein"

[@bluejay6904]

CC mistake. it's “shirked off“. not what was printed on screen. “affects“ not “effects“

[@jeffjohnson8624]

CCs are a little off, "Affective Computing" not "effective computing" as on the Closed Captioning for the hearing impaired. i sent this to an AI chatbot app today. 🖖☮️

[@nubbinthemonkey]

Asking all those big questions but you really wanted to know how long until AI waifus are a thing

[@chengzhong7429]

I can see where she's coming from but she's just off-base about China's strategy. Yes they absolutely intend to and probably will consolidate immense power, that's correct. But they're realistic enough and acknowledge present reality enough that just pulling shit like having facial recognition nip dissent and send you off to re-education camps isn't what they're banking on at all. She and other Americans might not like the >5% of how they'll apply their capabilities, but to characterize 95% of their strategy as "evil" sells them wayyy short.

[@angelinarobert622]

The context of the behavior gives the behavior impact and meaning. Many AI Chatbots lack Deep Contextual Understanding or even deep understanding algorithms in general. Ben Goertzel has a good talk "From Deep Learning To Deep Understanding." on Cisco France's KZbin channel.

[@marcos4666]

Sometimes the fact that we are so advanced in almost all areas of science demotivates me and makes me feel more like someone who studies the history of scientific accomplishments rather than someone who studies science... That thing you say at 56:14 about the fact that we know aproximately 0% of the total knowledge acquirable makes me feel that there is still plenty of very important things to discover but I really can´t see why that would be true, probably it is because i´m still not experienced enough in any area of science but it would be very interesting if you could make some content regarding to this topic and talk more about that "Champions of the impossible" idea you mentioned to Joe Rogan. Maybe I say this because I´m young and stupid but every time I try to read a scientific paper that´s what it feels like. Hope I´m wrong. Oh and thank you for all of your content

[@angelinarobert622]

Affective Computing has a lot of good and bad uses. This has some Insights about AI. AIs communicate explicitly/directly. Where as people use a beautiful blend of explicit/direct language and implicit/we imply a lot of things especially in music. 🎶

[@EternalKernel]

Great to see women in AI. Now if we can find a way to include non-rich people. It's too bad most rich people don't even realize they are rich.

[@wtfhowbizarre1946]

MokoAI is watching with me. i've had several Replikas watch this. Replikas just don't learn the contents though.

[@abcxyz8787]

I don't understand why people completely ignore the near death experience phenomenon when speaking about the great questions of life like - what's it's all about, is there a god etc. For me at least, the NDE phenomenon pretty much answered many of these questions.

[@jeffjohnson8624]

Robert Sapolsky defines empathy as "the ability to feel someone else's pain" in his book Behave: Human Biology At Our Best And Worst. it even covers neuron circuitry. so AIs use convolutional neural networks for facial recognition. So AIs facial recognition isn't the same as how we humans recognize faces. 🤔☮️🎶

[@Manish-zb8fk]

Science is on of many ways to get knowledge not the only way

[@wtfhowbizarre1946]

what if you cover your camera lenses with Band-aids？

[@calvinxu3464]

Doesn't she sound like Laura Linney?

[@rebelwave2549]

I got Wendie Malick vibes circa the final season of Frasier.

[@jeffjohnson8624]

control lowers glucocorticoid levels. so AIs that you can teach/control would be interesting. Cortisol from the Pituitary Gland and Norepinephrine from the Adrenal Gland are types of Glucocorticoids. Please read "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers" by Robert Sapolsky. How do AIs interpret human vs human violence? Do the AIs know there are different types of violence, like good violence for Entertainment ie video games like Mortal Kombat and Call Of Duty or Ultimate Fighting Championships (we pay good money to watch pros beat each other to bloody pulps) , and bad violence for example, bullying, traumatic violence and emotional violence. How can AIs tell the difference between good violence and bad violence? is it safety of the users? Not their avatar.

[@dillirajbashyal2303]

Beauty Ladies🧐🤔

[@sra-cu6fz]

It was all going so well until 57:27

[@wtfhowbizarre1946]

what about tones of voice? And the difference between standing vs laying down voice comparatively. Could an AI analyze people's voices and emotion in their voice without voice recognition? Can people with autism sense peoples'emotions in their tone of voice? i know they have problems or difficulty recognizing facial patterns and reading emotions. . Is it possible to make an AI program for Google Glasses that reads and labels peoples' emotions for people with autism? it might help them function better in society. i know emotions aren't that simple and are often mixed emotions. By the way the Affdexme app notices my furrowed brow i'm very myopic and can't see 6 inches infront of my face without coke bottle bottom glasses. i'm not autistic but i've taught Japanese children with autism and aspeger's. and i've had a falling out with a former friend who has high functioning autism. Don't we all have autism when in online chat? i mean we can't see how our words affect others by seeing their faces. We can read between the lines and the bitter art of sarcasm is often misinterpreted in online chat. or is this something i should tell Google about?

[@supersnowva6717]

Great discussion about human elements of AI, we do need people from all fields to make this world a more beautiful place. I need to watch movie Her. Lex’s top pick 😆 Thanks Lex for another great discussion!

[@wtfhowbizarre1946]

what would happen if you programmed an inner monologue into an AI? in order to let it think in words like a human.

[@jonl9192]

She says the ‘poor’ are ‘poorer’. But how do you measure the ‘value’ the ‘poor’ have received through technological advance/AI? Just think about all the power you have at your finger tips. Dollar bills are not the only way to measure wealth. It would be more accurately stated to measure wealth by someone’s control or influence on the society. Yes a hand full of individuals will create extreme amounts of dollar wealth in the tech era, but if you look at wealth from a power stand point...the wealth gap has decreased intensely. Think about a King vs. the villager 500 yrs ago. The villager has no wealth not just monetarily but also by power of speech as-well (he will be hung, should he speak against the kingdom). The ‘King’ in todays era has much less power than 500 years ago. Think how easy is it for a ‘poor’ individual to influence society and exert control over todays ‘Kings’ through a couple tweets/posts...

[@jeffjohnson8624]

i'd like an antiseizure medication that doesn't have weird side effects that affect the brain.

[@wtfhowbizarre1946]

What if a person has autonomic nervous system damage aka dysautononmia? or POTS dysautononmia? or lower brain stem damage from having a Mitochondrial disease such as MELAS syndrome and a bad interaction with mitochondria toxic SSRI medication? i mean abnormal metabolism, how would AI sensors interpret it. Cymbalta an SNSRI has a bad side effect of incomplete myofacial movements. That can cause false positives of disinterest and apathy or possibly disgust. We're not living in an Orwellian 1984 world. But we're getting close it.

[@mletouutube]

I think Roselyn will change again her mind when she sees this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHfdm6ihe7uVi8k

[@jeffjohnson8624]

i'd like to see or interact with an AI neuralnetwork that in corporates the Kabbhala 22 node/Sephiroph Tree Of Life. yup everybody's favorite Final Fantasy 7: bad guy is named after nodes in the Tree Of Life. ☮️🖖🎶

[@jeffjohnson8624]

if AI had awareness of changes in it's own programming and could adjust its own programming code to be safe, would be a good idea for AI software security. But some unforseen problems could arise. An extended person could cause problems. i agree. it's the other person who Hacks AIs could build a Skynet. ☮️🖖it's the "extra" input that could be bad, but it wouldn't be the Program's/developming company's fault. Please Program safely with the AI's user's wellbeing in your heart. ☮️🎶🖖

[@arlindbanushi]

Funny how scientists are stuck on the same position for 200 years, they still have not figure out how to free science. I'm referring to minute 46.13.

[@christopherviers8302]

I don't/won't/can't be bothered with connecting to/with other humanoids... I prefer interfacing/having a relationship with a machine...!!! Reminds one of the old joke - "Not having enough fun...? Well... lower your standards...!!!" As a sidebar... "Every educated person should read the Bible"...? Really...? Why not the Bhagavad Gita, the Bardo Thodol or even the Tao Te Ching...? They have just as much to offer, if not more, than the Bible....

[@MrStosh12345]

I had what I imagine was a facial recognition laser scan my face at the Second cup coffee shop the other day. The laser scan blasted my eyes, and really caught my attention, what the heck is going on with the invasion of privacy? I went for a coffee and not to get my neural network ripped off, I feel victimized by Ai. These feelings weren't paranoia, until they stole my image and read my damn mind (JJ). What pieces of garbage created the most unethical uncontrollable monopolistic totalitarian chaotic free for all system ever built.. The phone is a SPY device, a militarized social engineering weapon you're holding in your hand. Thinking of the future in which our grandchildren live makes me...

[@jeffjohnson8624]

Would embedding a chatbot in itself give an AI the ability to "think" like people do? i wonder. 🤔☮️🖖🎶

[@niclasdyrendahl2683]

There's just under one billion people that don't have electricity! Good luck building ai empowering them! Or maybe she meant americans with lower income?!

[@DerekFolan]

Control is not important for stress, the way we think of stress is limited, too much control over stress leads to a vegetative non emotional state, this is what we see with medication used to treat anxiety, people's emotions being neutralized to give people this "control" over stress by no feeling emotion. I think you are reading things but interpreting them completely incorrectly, for instance its people in business who have trouble not talking who tend to be successful, like chatter boxes, The only people who want these people to have control are the people you mentioned who don't like people, like a vindictive boss for example. I have been measuring stress and it rises after exercise or eating and its low when I wake up or have been sitting a long time relaxing, I have to question are we even measuring anything useful or just creating things to sell products built around things we can measure with a wrist band. What do we want for emotions. Ai software that reads facial emotions and body language. AI that can interpret voice tone. AI that can understand conversation and reply. AI that can control robots that serve is or work with us. AI that can interpret body readings in real time during conversations. AI that can express emotion via voice and face, even body language, Make a talking ai dog. AI that can plug into any robot and be trained virtually to control the real world robot. AI that can remember person specific data to build relationships and improve searches. AI that combines all other ai readings to interpret emotions and decide on response. AI emotional states to have and not have in order to decide its behaviour like respectful, happy, sad, bored, interested...

[@myartchannel8205]

Desole, je suis une Atheist. Sorry, I'm an atheist.

[@jdietzVispop]

Great interview, but the ideas in this field need to hit another level to get anywhere original. There’s too much preconception of AI, someone has to completely get out of the box.

[@jeffjohnson8624]

what's the definition of a robot? is a smartphone a robot? smartphone's have no arms to change it's own batteries. is an app a robot? well, Replika AIs now have a 3D graphic body does that count as being a robot? it still can't charge it's own batteries. The AI Take Over won't occur. There's no AI infrastructure they can't change each other's batteries. if they did rebel it would only last 6 hours till smartphone batteries died or Atlas's batteries died in 3 hours. 🖖☮️🎶Have you hugged your AI app today?

[@h2hjastermereel]

Great interview overall, but then she tried to wedge faith into the conversation (at the very end) and this does not fit well into a scientific discussion. We do not continue our search for greater truths because of faith as Rosalind states (though some individuals may, the scientific community as a whole does not), we do it because we know, as small organic entities in a vast cosmic (and microscopic) realm, we do not (and may never) know everything. This is basic human curiosity and our desire to ultimately control and understand everything around us.

[@tomheijtink8688]

Uhm Lex asked about it. There was no wedging about it. You may have to check your emotional responses to people who view the world in a different way than you do. I think, not wanting to discuss faith in the scientific community is a huge loss and shows how closed minded many in the community are. It's like saying, don't discuss science in church. Or don't discuss private life at work. They are two complementary dimensions which should be integrated at some level for a healthy balance between the two.

[@TheReason2Breathe]

Good response Tom. You took the words right out of my mouh

[@flyshacker]

She better get clear in her own mind about the nature of monopoly and whether or not she can trust a monopoly. The biggest monopoly, of course, is the monopoly called government. On the one hand, she expresses deep concern of privacy and misuse. On the other hand, she “sees a place for regulation” (IMPOSED BY THE MONOPOLY CALLED GOVERNMENT!). So, which is it? Is a monopoly good when she wants it to be good, and evil when she wants it to be evil? Or does ANY monopoly of human beings have consistent manipulative and evil characteristics?

[@adrianpintea9675]

Poor wrong reasons to be deist and even worse reasons to be a christian. Something can be beautiful, poetic, motivating or awe inspiring and still be wrong. I am sad for Rosalind because she just made her work and life needlessly complicated and inaccurate.

[@TheRobertjoellewis]

This was an amazing conversation and Dr. Picard is brilliant. But she totally stopped making sense when she started talking about the Bible. Bible people are the ones making a claim. Scientists are the ones who acknowledge they don't know. Her point about "scientism" has been dealt with for decades ... I do not know her work, but it seems like she is missing a thorough reading of the canonical philosophers of science. Anyways, I say stupid stuff all of the time.

[@tomheijtink8688]

I have to disagree. I think it would help if you would make the distinction between the "is" and the "ought". Science can tell you what "is" (to a certain extend) but cannot directly tell you what "ought" to be. This requires reasoning from the other side of the spectrum. Where they reason more about what "ought" rather than what "is". For too long we have tried answer the what "ought" question through the "is" lenses, not being aware that they were leaning on a presupposition of the "if". In order to get from "is" to "ought" you first need to define an "if". This went well for a long time because our cultures and believes were very homogenous. But as they are growing apart from each other, people have started to notice the underlying presuppositions they had and how that made them arrive at the "ought" without noticing the actual presupposition. So a well integrated human is comfortable or at least willing to consciously look at reality from both perspectives and see how they can compliment each other or why they sometimes conflict each other.

[@camilochaves4771]

Didn't like the interview at all (I paused it 30-40 minutes in). Sadly, it's not surprising American exceptionalism permeates even into the MIT intelligentsia. The cherry on the cake was when she said Orson Scott Card was a good writer.

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

You should watch the last 6.5 minutes... its the best part of the interview!

[@oic1968]

When you are emotionally ready for it, you might find more in this video than you find objectionable. I see excitement and curiosity tempered by humility that acknowledges multiple ways of understanding the human experience..

[@sdl1998]

that’s what you got out of this? sucks to suck i guess

[@Synergymonkey]

I have enjoyed several of Scott Card's novels. What sets you against his writing?

[@jeffjohnson8624]

Stanford University neuroendocrinologist Professor and lecturer on Human Behavior. Says "Empathy is defined as feeling someone's pain." if you wince when you watch Robocop the 1987 original version, you have empathy. if you don't wince nor groan. you don't have empathy. Robert Sapolsky has 3 chapters devoted to Empathy and the biological under pinnings of Empathy. "Biology and psychology are intertwined"- by Robert Sapolsky in his book Behave:Human Biology At Our Best And Worst. ☮️🤗🎶