Ross's Game Dungeon: Puzzle Agent

Ross solves the case of Christmas.
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[@Pholadis]

The way Ross said "You don't like Wallace and Gromit?" just broke my little heart.

[@SomeKindaSpy]

+Pholadis I know, right?

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

Its just a voice full of sadness and wind being taken out of sails

[@RossOriginals]

We must all admit this would be our reaction if someone said they didn't like Wallace and Gromit though.

[@kanyne7115]

I don't even like stop motion animation, but I LOVE Wallace and Gromit!

[@bigdogsmallman]

I stood still, vision blurring, and in that moment, I heard my heart break. It was a small, clean sound, like the snapping of a flower's stem.

[@GhostSilk]

God, that art style is far too charming to resist.

[@DatBastardOni]

2:48 ...I...I like Wallace and Grommit, Ross. D-don't cry!

[@ProfesserLuigi]

+Dat Bastard Oni Me too! Except for that movie... n-n-not that it was bad! It was okay!

[@dooplon5083]

+Prof. Luigi *puts on brass knuckles* Yeah..._ok_...

[@ProfesserLuigi]

D:

[@CarrionCarriesOn]

That part of the video had me laughing my ass off

[@nicefloweytheoverseer7632]

My dad loves Wallace and Gromit, and so do i.

[@WaterMusic34]

"THAT'S MY BOY!" lol this may be my all time favorite Game Dungeon episode, and I return to it again and again. I bought this game and cracked out on it just like Ross did. Man... if only there were 100 other Puzzle Agent games in different environments. I would love to see Agent Tethers on a tropical vacation running into yet another madness conspiracy. Thanks for this one, Ross.

[@chocolateeclare2286]

It really earned its “gaming crack” award

[@Xeotroid]

I've always thought that "hot dish" is some sort of joke about the weirdness of the Scoggins inhabitants, but hotdish is actually a popular casserole meal in Minnesota and other states.

[@TaRAAASHBAGS]

Seemed like accident inuendo to me

[@Aoi_the_Hert]

Oh ya, you betcha! Up here in Minnesota we make hotdish all the time! Keeps real well in the fridge and ya can heat up leftovers in the microwave for the next week!

[@StarberryDarling]

I don't know why but...this video in particular has saved my insomniac.. I couldn't tell you the number of times.. I have fallen asleep to all of the dunegons but this one..is the ticket for sleep.

[@T0nyCr0w]

"You don't like Wallace and Gromit?" This. This made my day. Aside from Fargo, Twin Peaks and the X-Files, if you said you didn't like any of these to Ross face to face, he'd probably be the type of guy to just nod and say that it's okay. That everyone has their own personal preferences when it comes to TV shows and movies, and he understands you're not into those types of media that are associated with a supernatural or sci-fi genre. BUT if you don't like Wallace and Gromit, then you've crossed some sort of line. A line where Ross doesn't get in your face and shout that you have no taste nor a soul. NO. Instead, you have sadden Ross and you gotta live with that. The fact he films himself and puts it into the video is just icing on the glorious cake that is this video. Ross, if you're reading this, I applaud you for that little tidbit. It may not seem like much and perhaps was just added in for humor, but damn, that moment made my day. Good day to you all.

[@MrTimotei]

"I'm going to spoil the ending for you-" *Immediately stops video.* *Buys game.* *Finishes it in a few hours.* *Finishes watching video.* Perfect~

[@losspol_3466]

MrTimotei Literally what I did, however I enjoyed the ending less

[@wizardom]

@MrTimotei: same! just finished the game and now re-watching along with the ending

[@robin3255]

Buying the game before the spoilers and seeing the horror of the ending was well worth it.

[@soldiars]

Ive literally just stopped the video and will be buying it hahaa

[@GruesomeBoxGaming]

Fun fact: Melissa Hutchison, the voice actress of Clementine from Telltale's The Walking Dead Game, plays the Foreman's wife, Glori, in this game.

[@DeosPraetorian]

not surprising considering they were both made by telltale

[@XShadOBabeX]

LOL, that list of FBI Departments at the beginning is actually hilarious. I especially like "Vampire Military" and "Sasquatch Research".

[@XShadOBabeX]

"Thumb Twiddling" is great too. I could apply for that department. XD

[@tba113]

I had to laugh that they stuck _Bomb Disposal & You_ in office C4. Also at how _Interagency Dating_ and _"Personal" Affairs_ are in the same office.

[@neumoniad]

Watched this. Bought Puzzle Agent 1 and 2. Played them both to full completion. I had a fantastic time. Thanks Ross.

[@Robonos]

How's 2?

[@neumoniad]

a dog As charming as the first one. Probably doesn't have the same punch, but I still enjoyed it nonetheless and it left me wanting a 3rd game. I take that as a good sign.

[@Ksensei41]

Me too

[@dtoadq]

Ending to the second was rushed and left a lot more questions than it answered

[@finipigenmovies]

same here :)

[@LukeDude759]

I haven't watched Wallace & Grommit in a long time, and I don't remember enough to say that I liked it or not. But now now I have "You don't like Wallace & Grommit?" echoing in my head, and if that can't guilt-trip me, I don't know what will.

[@KRJ893]

LukeDude759 so did you like it? Should have been long enough to form an opinion

[@KoolWithAQ]

I've never heard of this game. I'm a huge Professor Layton fan. I loved Fargo. I stopped watching so I could go out and buy the game. This is my shit.

[@Accursed_Farms]

+Kool With A K Good choice.

[@bignuts3430]

+Accursed Farms Hey Ross, try out XCOM. It's a strategy game if you're into those.

[@nortreblig8761]

+Kool With A K This game is awesome, Graham Annable is awesome! And good thing you stopped watching, he is spoiling the ending blatantly. Don't watch the ending until you finished it yourself :-)

[@KoolWithAQ]

Checking in after beating the game. What the fuck. No. That's not okay. Downloading Puzzle Agent 2 as I type.

[@KoolWithAQ]

Wait. No. I... But the video had... Fuck me. Hang on. I'll be right back.

[@BOBTHEBERT]

Dammit Ross, don't say it like that, I like Wallace and Grommit... You're going to make me cry dammit!

[@Bacony_Cakes]

Don't worry, here's something to make you better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKDSnox9bNJ3q7s

[@techmouse.]

One of my all time favorite games. Graham's writing isn't _always_ the best, but he is a master of atmosphere. I highly recommend Grickle to anybody who enjoyed Puzzle Agent's atmosphere.

[@Myzelfa]

Having now played both games, I think they work well together as a set. Ross likes the mysterious non-ending, but I think it was always the intention to explain the gnomes eventually.

[@Jake_Eyes]

The magic eye thing is a bunch of triangles in front of each other.

[@Crowley9]

And a small irregular rectangle in the bottom right for some reason.

[@Merlisty]

Probably a bird is my guess.

[@Jesse__H]

Or, if you cross your eyes instead, it's a bunch of triangles BEHIND each other. 🤷‍♂️

[@nicefloweytheoverseer7632]

Jake Eyes is a Gordon Freeman aka Ross Scott fan. So am i.

[@huismands]

Looks like a stack of Doritos

[@s0me1up]

Ross, you should have incorporated the staring gnome into the accursed farms end card. i mean the cow is already staring into my soul everytime i watch your videos. together with the gnome it would have been... psychedelic...

[@angelartiyalvt9574]

s0me1up See, now I wanna see an Accursed Farm themed Grickle video.

[@AliensForPredators]

Ross you can't show us that shirt and not tell us where to get it

[@thewayfayer3268]

@Sergebear Your prayers have been answered 2 and a half years later

[@Pilot3778]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLaZapvjMyLmbM here is a great review for Puzzle Agent

[@THEgamer-gl5it]

god that accent i never noticed any accent when i was living in minnesota as a kid. but then again, that was my home, so.. *Y'KNOOOW*

[@0wls4ndr4tts]

Dr. Febreze cheers to that dont ya know

[@sirquaffler542]

I've no idea why, but I really like the Minnesota accent. Very endearing, only beaten by the Irish and Scottish accents in my book.

[@thewayfayer3268]

@@sirquaffler542 *L.A. Noire intensifies*

[@varminthevermin8371]

why does it sound like a stereotypical Canadian accent

[@fireflocs]

That innkeeper lady, who wants to cook a hot dish for Nelson? Yeah, she _IS_ the hot dish as far as I'm concerned.

[@MarquisSmith]

I don't want to get sappy or anything, but today has been... well, a pretty rough one. So seeing a new Game Dungeon in my subs box? Greatly appreciated, Ross. Should you ever visit the UK, I will buy you a pint. And a raincoat. Because England.

[@KudosCommander]

+Salfordio Not to be intrusive, but what happened?

[@MarquisSmith]

First Christmas since my Father-In-Law passed away, so it was a little hard at times.

[@KudosCommander]

Salfordio That's rough, mate. I can't imagine what that feels like.

[@MarquisSmith]

It sucks mate, but I suppose it's just one of those things we all have to deal with as we get older. Anyway, I hope you had a good one yourself.

[@alexbest9481]

+Salfordio Sorry about your loss. P.S. Do you happen to frequent the Guardian football blogs and Cracked comments? Because this is getting too weird if you do.

[@bitzibaerlie]

Now I love the "Wait, are gnomes even real?" segment of _Freeman's Mind_ even more. You cannot tell us you did not draw your inspiration for that from _Puzzle Agent_. :)

[@ImpossibleAsymptote]

One of my favorite parts of the game is the moment where someone's got you at gunpoint, and how you distract him. He's just...so addicted to puzzles that he can't resist the crossword puzzle in your pocket.

[@xanious3759]

I have that wonderful "real life requires me to stop playing but I can't stop playing" feeling with the Original singleplayer Unreal. Which I have played through at least 6 times at this point. I can remember the map layouts and enemy locations of the default campaign in my sleep.

[@zachmadness]

"you don't like wallace and gromit?" i could hear the sadness

[@KrinkelsNG]

Consider your dubs checked.

[@TheOjkk]

i don't get it

[@ancientapparition1638]

I bet you kiss girls too

[@eomaurix]

i don't get it

[@JesusBehindtheWheel]

That ending is incredibly haunting. "I love it." I gotta check out his work.

[@banama1758]

that t shirt bit was hilarious

[@FourthPiece]

Anyone who doesn't like Wallace & Gromit has no soul.

[@pookie6659]

all time fav

[@liquidjungle123]

Or no dick Wait!

[@HypnoPantsOnline]

and yet my wife isn't a ginger

[@GeorgeMonet]

Then I have no soul.

[@nicefloweytheoverseer7632]

I have no soul, and i like wallace and gromit

[@JustGrowingUp84]

I gotta say, that blonde wife is kinda cute...

[@DinnerForkTongue]

For the art style, yes she is.

[@AmeshaSpentaArmaiti]

+TheFilthyCasual oh, good. i'm not alone in this.

[@malhekai]

+TheFilthyCasual Get outta here, repairman!

[@ExBruinsFan]

+TheFilthyCasual She's a hot dish.

[@Costar58]

+TheFilthyCasual Just think she's purdy ~

[@ExternalDialogue]

Honestly that room number puzzle completelly stumped me too. It got me by sending me on a wild goose chase as i thought the dashes and breaks represented 101101 in binary.

[@lukeemberson4951]

Great video! You know you did something great when Grickle himself thanks you for a great review. It just goes to show that your on the right track. You save some games from destruction, did a proper review for a game even if it wasn't what the developers wanted to here and now did a fantastic job here. It's nice to be appreciated for the job you do. Keep up the great work!

[@athenawinters2415]

I love how that magic eye thing is literally just a couple shapes that looks sorta like origami, but otherwise nothing

[@Fyre_Rose]

I thought it might be trying to be a bird or something? but yeah it looks like nothing really... was hoping for something interesting or an easter egg of some kind :P

[@tba113]

Chalk up another entry to the "Games Ross Has Convinced Me To Pick Up" list. Outstanding Christmas present, Ross - thanks!

[@Quakefan7]

Thanks to this particular video, I bought this game and its sequel. When my girlfriend and I were in quarantine, we decided to play these games on a whim, and had a fantastic time. The puzzles are fun and brain tickling, and the story is unique and awesome. Thank you Ross for introducing me to this amazing game!

[@NotMike15]

"You know how theoretically if you're exposed to a powerful enough resonant frequency, your head will explode? Well that's not really what I'm talking about..." I lost it there.

[@nerowski]

Well... looks like I'm buying this game.

[@Brownwolf502]

You should and the second one as well

[@The_Blog]

+Stephen Niewiarowski It's not perfect, but the atmospehere is great and there are basicly no Professor Layton like puzzle games on PC.

[@lusteraliaszero]

+BloggingLP except professor layton, nudge nudge, wink wink

[@The_Blog]

lusteraliaszero Yeah, but it is not on PC :(

[@lusteraliaszero]

***** it IS on pc. nudge nudge, wink wink

[@odo324]

Wow! Awesome choice! I watched a playthrough last year just out of bordom and after 1 episode I was HOOKED! We all need more Puzzle Agent! Hope you've had a Marry Christmas Ross. =)

[@ZTanMURReneRs]

Man is this the perfect game dungeon? I can totally see how this vibes with Ross so much and it seems like that's also why he's so on point with his jokes and quirky notes.

[@colinobriant6895]

Puzzle agent and Still Life were both on sale on Steam. Bought them as I watched and I'm excited to have one really depressing puzzle game and then a more chill one for when it gets too intense lol

[@AwfulWaffle8474]

Ross, i watch your vids daily

[@PaulProspero]

I remember getting this game years ago and being blown away by how awesome the story and setting was. It's still awesome. I want more of this Telltale. MORE. THE WHISPERS WON'T STOP UNTIL I HAVE MORE. PLEASE. MAKE. THE WHISPERS. STOP.

[@KidoKatsuragi]

If it makes you feel better, I wasn't able to love even watered down "nine" puzzle.

[@Rickbane01]

Wow Telltale made a puzzle game instead of visual novels.

[@element1111]

They should have kept making them instead of shitting out a vn every 6 months.

[@TylerMcVicker1]

Fantastic

[@GumMagnum]

Yu wot m8

[@wildsonny1137]

Hl3 Confirmed

[@drunkN]

ROSS SCOTT ANNOUNCED FREEMAN'S VA

[@JeanRodo]

Tyler you're vids are gud but please up the brightness in you're videos please

[@ExBruinsFan]

+Juan “TheGeekPlayer” Salazar "Your".

[@abramsullivan7764]

I love Wallace and Grommets I grew up watching the show when I was young. I remember taken THE CURSE OF THE WHERE RABBIT.

[@BackwoodSpiritAnimal]

I discovered this channel a month ago and I am so into the Game Dungeon I have to like every video like some sort of compulsive maniac. Good shit, Ross. Your stuff is really entertaining.

[@joshuahoeflich7982]

Ross, can I have your permission to turn "You don't like Wallace and Gromit" into a meme? Those three seconds are a perfect shorthand for "You just broke my heart".

[@Fishandchipsguvnah]

You can't just turn things into memes. That's not how memes work.

[@GoblinModeKnives]

5 years later and this still isn't a meme. Are you even trying?

[@barneystinsonsuitup1]

"You dont like Wallace & Grommet?" I swear i start choking from laughing too hard whenever I hear that.

[@barneystinsonsuitup1]

*Grommit

[@EXRazeBurn]

8:35 Oh my holy god that's the only puzzle that stumped me too! And here I thought I was just an idiot! Thank you Ross! You've restored my faith in myself.

[@FrogworfKnight]

+TymeTwyster Last I haven't played this game myself, but yeah I could see myself being stumped by that puzzle as well... Was looking at it thinking of everything that I could... I thought it was mathematical due to the two lines at the end that formed the E.

[@kalligthegrey7010]

I have to say Puzzle Agent and its sequel might have THE best story ever written for puzzle games

[@SonofTiamat]

The Xenosaga trilogy on PS2 had crap tons of puzzles that were pretty tricky, and I'm proud to say I got through those games without consulting a walkthrough once!

[@kungfuskull]

I honestly thought I was one of the only people to deeply love this game. Ive replayed it like 15 times, and yeah, I wish there were 50 sequels. So much potential.

[@MattOsborn98]

Merry Christmas Ross! I hope it was a good one and I'm glad you enjoyed this game.

[@Thorrison]

This might be my favorite Game Dungeon so far. Merry Christmas, Ross.

[@SaberMantis]

This actually made me buy the game on steam

[@andrewsteele8797]

I live for "it made the bus lady twitch."

[@andrewsteele8797]

Also "Nelson my Boi shoots first."

[@user-rr7cp9sz1n]

This video was awesome. Thanks for turning me onto puzzle games, and Grickle.

[@wolfgod6443]

1:35 Can confirm, my dad is an accountant and the FBI came to him directly to ask if he would want to sign up. He turned them down but it's still interesting. Math can really get you places.

[@vincentjpk]

Staying up late was worth it.

[@Draggobuttboi]

"this reminds me of a puzzle" professor layton: a crapton of games

[@alexnoman1498]

That magic eye thingy is just some geometry. Sort of like a paper boat but with two spiky masts instead of one. Remember, focus behind the screen and come back, don't cross your eyes! Loved Puzzle Agent, it's so bloody good!

[@Kaillyn98]

Merry Christmas Ross! so glad you enjoyed Puzzle Agent as much as I did.

[@videogamepioneer6250]

4:52 "I'm Scruffy. The janitor."

[@Bacony_Cakes]

Mhm.

[@cha0sniper]

:O THE HANDYMAN IS SCRUFFY THE JANITOR

[@ReimuHakureiShrine]

I really like how simplistic and interesting the art style is in this game and on the characters.

[@officialded6822]

Thank you for this! You have no idea the joy this brings me! Merry Christmas Ross! :)

[@lionocyborg6030]

Looking at the magic eye picture example, it looks like a lot of faded blue numbers and letters hidden in the static. I can't make out what they all are at once however and it's hard to see them all. 5 and 3 occur a lot but many others I mistake for differing numbers if my concentration wavers. Some digits may even actually be disguised symbols instead but I can't tell. If anyone else wishes to decipher this more, please do, record what you see and reply to this to tell us about it.

[@Shiverskill]

Personal all I see are triangles layered upon each other at different angles. Pretty plain

[@stevenkelley2662]

That's what I saw too, my guess is it's an origami crane?

[@WeirdVideoGames]

9:47 It's a bunch of overlapping triangles.

[@prince_sylex]

@ Weird Video Games Really ? Man, cuz I see a group of bearded men dancing. Guess I suck.

[@MickeyD2012]

I think it's supposed to be like a triangle turkey or something.

[@AlexanderTzalumen]

I'm sure if he could do them, he would have picked a more interesting one.

[@thatdude3938]

all i see is just some cool four-layered 3D image

[@WaterMusic34]

Origami bird?

[@tofudaturtle271]

My mom played this once, I remember the sinking outhouse, and snowmobile bits. :)

[@kangaroocourt9507]

This is my favorite video of his, I love the grickle universe

[@deltad3592]

I swear, that “You don’t like Wallace and Gromit!” had all the feels And yes, I love Wallace and Gromit

[@DyoKasparov]

Ross released 3 videos for a week, it sure is Christmas !

[@ZachCG]

this is such a wholesome video. it warms my heart to see ross so genuinely enamored with this game. it's almost childlike, and i mean that in the best way possible. makes me remember why i like video games :)

[@Jonok]

Ross, you are the best promoter because you promote games you personally enjoy

[@mrx00666]

9:45... triangles?

[@s0me1up]

yes 4 of them if you dive in 1 level. but as with all magic eye pictures theres more the deeper you dive. the first time i looked i accidentally overdid it and saw 12 triangles.

[@DENIS_Biomech]

+mrx00666 it's actually a paper pigeon or origami from what I can tell. Also they are very easy to see - just slowly make yourself cross-eyed, I mean slowly start crossing your eyes like you want to look at your nose and you'll see it.

[@s0me1up]

+Runner Patriarch not an origami. just the 4 triangles. the small one in the lower right corner isn't even connected to the other ones. also it's not for the cross-eye technique. cross-eying makes it like they are cut out of the screen. if you use the opposite technique ("parallel-stare") it looks like they are protruding from the screen (which they are supposed to do).

[@K0sm1cKid]

+mrx00666 I don't see jack shit lol

[@Jake_Eyes]

+s0me1up You can also look at it inside out by focusing in front of the picture instead of behind it. So cross your eyes instead of trying to look through it.

[@leanonka]

This is my Christmas gift.

[@wtfdudekk]

13:42 the cops looking at each other broke me

[@GioTheVax]

This is a game I play when I wanna sharpen my mind. Nothing feels better than figuring out a puzzle in a game like this without any hints

[@augustvalek]

puzzle games are amazing, I could tell at first glance the solution to your "hardest puzzle" but I'm pretty sure I would get stuck at some other and you would be like "oh, that one is easy" Also, I'm totally buying this game

[@artlover2553]

I played the game before the patched version too, that freakin’ NINE puzzle. I looked up the answer I was so lost 🤦‍♀️

[@cassandralyris4918]

That magic eye puzzle is just 5 triangles arranged on top of each other if anyone's wondering.

[@DyoKasparov]

Didn't know about Wallace and Gromit till Ross mentioned it in this video, thanks for sharing that awesome series Ross!

[@snugglesnail140]

Puzzle agent 1 & 2 are 1Us$ on Humble Bundle right now

[@Aeghamedic]

I can see the object in the magic eye puzzle, but I can't tell what it actually is. Looks like a bunch of overlapping triangles. Origami crane, perhaps?

[@s0me1up]

no it's actually just the 4 triangles.

[@Aeghamedic]

s0me1up Oh. That's a bit dull.

[@thebaker525]

A sail boat?

[@Aeghamedic]

+thebaker525 It looks more like an upside-down, deformed pentagram.

[@Phaota]

+Aeghamedic Yeah, three overlapping triangles and some odd line to the right. Not the best when it comes to a Magic Eye 3D image. There are hundreds of better ones out there.

[@Jjeinntae]

It was such a bizarre thing when talking with friends and they had no idea what "hot dish" referred to. That moment is crystalline in my memory.

[@Biodeamon]

that gum makes this a point and click deadly premonition

[@modernmusic52]

i followed the grickle youtube account because of this video

[@Jack_Slate]

Game intrigued me enough, bought it on steam. Still wish he would have covered Deadly Premonition, basically the same game as this (without the snow though, and probably much more graphic). Took me around 20 seconds to figure out the room number code. Without the first hint even. Pretty clever.

[@Jack_Slate]

+Jack Slate Then again, if he did, I might not have heard of this game. Ever.

[@bigblue344]

+Jack Slate maybe he did plan it but because the pc port is so butchered he cant get it to run. Even when I installed a mod to get it to run it just crashes after leaving the painting museum

[@Jack_Slate]

+Big Blue I only bought it to support it. Watched the full lp by supergreatfriend, it's pretty great.

[@nortreblig8761]

+Jack Slate That puzzle was fricking hard (for me)! I normally don't need any hints at all, but for this one I think I used all available like Ross. The other one which was harder for me than it should be was the one with the fuses (7:04). I don't remember if I used a hint, but it took me some time to figure out the obvious :-)

[@Jack_Slate]

+Nor Treblig That's pretty funny, since I solved the fuses puzzle the moment I looked at it. It's a pretty old puzzle, used in a lot of other stuff, so It's not the first time I saw it. I thought everyone knew it at this point, guess I was wrong. Also, about the room code puzzle, I was leaning in my chair at the time I saw that bit, so it might be why it came to me so fast.

[@xLothCat]

Perfect way to finish off Christmas! Thanks Ross!

[@interfrastically]

HOW have I never heard about Grickle until watching this? I just binge watched the KZbin channel - fantastic! Oh, and I just bought and installed Puzzle Agent and started playing it. Love it so far.

[@lordphrak3107]

where did he get that shirt

[@ChadMojito]

internet

[@SerPinkKnight]

I really think you need to mention how damn scary this game is >__

[@supernintendo182]

Shotgun Parley I won't spoil anything but a certain section of the game scared the hell out of me.

[@___cothron7421]

This game is fantastic the feeling you get when that accepted comes up is awesome thanks ross

[@icthulu]

Fun, great review and you did a superb job springing this for Christmas, thank you

[@yumyum366]

Bought the game while it was $1.24 on Steam. Only issue is that to play it you have to be in compatibility mode or else it just crashes. (Windows 10)

[@cancop]

Please do Puzzle Agent 2!

[@Shaddytheguy]

"...You don't like Wallace and Gromit?" That might be the most sad and sincere thing I have ever heard Ross say.

[@ilnur9973]

"I have to prepare my mind in case I'm abducted by forces that need me to solve logic puzzles" FINALLY I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS SUCH THOUGHTS SOMETIMES