Doordash driver loses it after getting $0 tip

[@raymondjackson6069]

I am in the service industry. And the price is the price. I don't expect anymore. I don't expect any less. I get tipped all the time. If it's a penny. If it's a dollar. If it's $100. Great, and I appreciate it!! But I didn't expect it, and that is WHAT A TIP IS! But the price is the price, and I am grateful to get that, for I have set it for what I think it was worth. The price I charge, make me happy. Anything else, just make me happier. If at the end of the day, you are not happy with what you have earned. Charge more, and don't expect tips to be your salary.

[@audreymuzingo933]

Well if you earn more than the tipped wage for service workers, then you don't rely on the tips and they are just extra. But at a restaurant or food delivery, the pay is nowhere near a living wage, so yes tips are expected, or the people can just get their own food.

[@mars_12345]

​@@audreymuzingo933 erm, no. As a business owner, set prices and whole model to be able to pay your workers appropriately. And do so, instead of screwing them over. The whole point of this rant. Give it a watch, cause you clearly haven't.

[@audreymuzingo933]

@@mars_12345 And you think you're going to change how a business pays their workers by not tipping one worker? No, you're just going to take that poor person's time for nothing, like a selfish piece of trash. Quit trying to justify being a cheapskate by acting like you're shaking up the system! It's going to literally take an act of government to force businesses to pay living wages. Until then, just go get fast food in a bag, and drive your own car there by the way.

[@mars_12345]

@@audreymuzingo933 I am not eating take outs. I am using my feet to go to the grocery store, use self-service checkout, get back, prepare and eat my meal. And stop trying to insult people. I get it, it's a hard job at its current state, but as it was said in the video, which I highly recommend you actually watch, aim your anger at the employer, not consumer.

[@audreymuzingo933]

@@mars_12345 I watched the video. It's a position as stale as it was in 1991 when I started waiting tables for $2.13 an hour, -and the wage is still $2.13 an hour. I no longer do tipped work; I run my own business, but my body is a lot more broken than it should be at only 50, from years of working in dine-in restaurants and pizza delivery, which by the way you only see a small part of those jobs -there is also tons of cleaning, usually cooking too, carrying huge boxes around, washing dishes, etc. The fact that restaurant owners get away with paying workers so little IS an outrage, and I usually agree with everything this youtuber says, but here he doesn't know what he's talking about. Advocating stiffing tip-dependent workers is fucked up, period. And his other video on this subject is just as bad. Customers are not going to fix this issue by not tipping individual workers, thinking if they just ask their boss for a several-dollars/hour raise they're going to get it. That's absurd. They would literally have to be FORCED by law.

[@i9erek]

The whole purpose of the tipping model is so that employees get mad at the customer and not their boss. I see it's working like a charm.

[@TheFrenchPug]

That's a great observation. We'll, I guess the customer is the only face they see when at work

[@kirche7]

its actually so that they can lower the prices of the food making the food look less expensive despite you making up the cost on the tip, the tips usually work in favor of the employee as well, they would rather have tips than a "livable wage" because they'd make less money, they're mad at the customer for not tipping because they're greedy, they have no reason to be mad at their employer.

[@TheBooban]

@@kirche7 yes. Companies have to not pay their workers because of this; competitors will do it and their prices will be lower. And then tipping is a % too, so even the tip is lower. But tipping is part of law. If you want change, it is not the company’s fault, not customer, not employee. It’s your politicians.

[@Ritefita]

this is capitalism and it can't be other way. everybody should read Lenin. all the rights to repair, everything is about it

[@alf3071]

that's a pretty accurate description, I wonder how many other areas of life misdirect that anger

[@DarianBrown]

If you are required to pay a tip, it isn't a tip, it is a fee.

[@GruppeSechs]

It's basically just a second food tax at this point.

[@crescentprincekronos2518]

​@@GruppeSechsno more like recouping the cost. Money and thus services/goods are circular. We subsidize so many things as a society that it obfuscates the reality that even the amount we pay is not enough to sustain the system.

[@foxronyo]

The problem is that the tipping model is used as an incentive to make employees go above and beyond at work. Unfortunately, as a result, when an employee does everything they believe justifies a tip, and they do not receive one, they can become bitter about it. I believe that tipping should only be used for when you receive exceptional service, which goes above the living wage the employee is already receiving.

[@RedVRCC]

It basically is in the case of doordash. You can attach a tip before the order even goes out and you can add one on after the fact. If you don't give a reasonable tip, most dashers will decline it and your food will sit there getting cold and taking forever to arrive.

[@TooThPasTe07]

all i gotta say is “Don’t hate the player, hate the game”.😂

[@havenbastion]

When tipping is mandatory it's a fee.

[@martin-1965]

In the UK the only time I leave a tip is at my discretion at a restaurant. It's usually not as massive as 20% and more like 10% and staff never harass you for it either. I also might tip a delivery driver but its been years since I bothered with delivery food as I hate the gig economy model and what it is doing to people's expectations of what a real job is, where you are employed and have some security. Years ago in Los Angeles I can remember one barman who was really aggressive to a large group of us Brits who had spent a fortune in the bar that night because we didn't leave a massive tip. We were like "WTF?" as you never tip barstaff in the UK or pretty much anywhere else in Europe (because people get paid by their employer - crazy idea I know). When I worked in bars we were told we could NOT accept tips by the manager. Fair enough, we got paid by the bar an didn't accept them. Louis is, as almost always, 100% correct here again as are you - it's NOT a tip, it's a delivery fee. If that's the case just add it to the sodding bill already. Jeez, sometimes I'm so glad I miss out on American freedom.

[@havenbastion]

@@martin-1965 I am a gig economy worker who supports your decision not to support this system.

[@munsters2]

RE:havenbastion. It is extortion.

[@DarkXair]

@@martin-1965In my country tip was just rounding to get less coins.

[@martin-1965]

@@DarkXairSame... always "keep the change" :)

[@superpieton]

She hung up on him because she was afraid. The delivery guy is aggressive and looks / sounds dangerous. Why would you want to talk to such people?

[@howyoudurrinhunneh]

If you are a shitty tipper and afraid of people why are you having them come to your home with food they had in their car?

[@TheStormyClouds]

Exactly. Many people order doordash in order to avoid confrontation and minimize interaction. To then have someone banging so hard on the door it scares you then calling and aggressively asking about a tip, obviously you're gonna hang up.

[@purplespark8]

Completely agree. This guy was being crazy. I wouldn't even open the door until he was away

[@xhivo97]

I would be so scared and maybe call for help. People like that are dangerous I was stunned Louis didn't pick up on that.

[@GruppeSechs]

Nah, hanging up was a bad move. It could have made him even more mad. She was stupid and rude and it could have ended ugly. Just tell the guy "I'm sorry if it's frustrating, but I don't believe in tip culture." Give him SOMETHING instead of just hanging up. She sounds like a loser just as he said. Not that I'm justifying him throwing a tantrum.

[@IrwinDeGannes]

Tipping has evolved from offering funds for exceptional and fast service, if you have the extra to put out... to a mandatory requirement for every transaction in the service industry. Absolutely ridiculous!

[@Lynxdoc]

This is true. The driver should be paid for quick and reliable service and they customer should never before forced to add is an an express fee on top of delivery.

[@rhobidderskag1121]

@@Lynxdocou aren’t. You just have take the evil eye and bare it. That’s the cost of shooting through the hostage to make your point. We the employees didn’t ask for the bum commission model, but it’s what we’ve got to live off of.

[@NATIK001]

@@rhobidderskag1121 Take it out on your boss, he is the asshole exploiting you AND the customer. If we work together we can stop this idiotic system, but every useful idiot who just throws up their hands, and goes "this is just the way things are," and then gets mad at those exploited instead of the exploiters for not going along with being exploited, is helping the exploitation continue. I can already hear you starting to call such collective action impossible, but it works in many places. Try to tip outside tourist areas in much of northern Europe for example and you will get told to take your money back by the server him/herself, because they are paid enough, and if they accept tips they undermine themselves and their fellow servers. Education, community spirit and working together can end this bullshit. Like many other issues in society, the critical first step however is to make people even believe it is possible, and that is where we fail at the moment.

[@chrisgg80]

a lot of people fail to realize mostly in the service industry that they actually have no hourly wage. I worked as a server in a restaurant for 6 months and got paid 1.50 an hour as base pay. Your whole paycheck is relying on tips, and the sad reality is that this is how 99% of service jobs are now. After realizing this is how service jobs work, I decided to quit and find something else as soon as possible.

[@IrwinDeGannes]

@@chrisgg80 In my country we have a minimum wage which all companies must pay their employees. When you look at a price list of what things cost, a tip is not included in the cost of that item. The fact that employers are making employees reliant on tips to survive should be criminal. We need to start shifting blame from the customers back to the employers for creating this issue in the first place.

[@that_is_not_me]

Even self-checkout machines are asking for tips now, it's absolutely insane.

[@mks-h]

lol what

[@AB-hu4fc]

You do know that by using the self checkout machine you are now doing work for the store that they would have to pay a cashier to do. So now you go in to buy your items then have to ring it up and bag it up without getting anything in return for doing the work that the store would have had to pay a cashier to do. So do not be expecting Social Security to be around because machines do not pay into it and your doing the work that the store would have had to pay an employee to do.

[@mks-h]

@@AB-hu4fc that's some weird logic. You are doing nothing more than what you would with a regular cashier ­- putting items on, putting them in the bag, paying. It's the machine that does the work. And I love these machines.

[@SirenaSpades]

If you are so fearful you feel pressured to tip by a MACHINE, you need therapy.

[@AB-hu4fc]

@@mks-h It is you that is doing the work/, The machine does not do anything without you waving an item in front of it. That is why you are doing work that the store employee should be doing but since you are willing to do the work for the store why should they bother paying an employee to do it? The machine also places your items into the bag for you too, wait no that is work you did for free. Like I said I will not work for free and will stand in line waiting for a cashier to ring up my items and bag them for me. If you have a Winco shop there they ring your items up but you bag them that way Winco does not have to hire an employee to do that and are able to keep their prices lower than most stores. This make sence to me.

[@Immudzen]

Tipping needs to go away. People need to be paid fairly for their work.

[@thedrunkweddingphotographer]

100%

[@harshbarj]

Like it is in MANY European coutries. Those that claim tips encourages good service have never been to a European restaurant where tipping is not required.

[@BradleyGibbs]

The problem is that people view your comments as contradictory.

[@The_Gallowglass]

You have no idea what you're talking about. If you were a waiter or a driver you'd understand that would kill them.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@harshbarj Give me an example of an European restaurant and the wages or salary of wait staff.

[@DezzRiVv]

I can't blame the customer for hanging up. If some dude started beating on my door enough to shake the house and was raising his voice on the phone, I'd be terrified.

[@Potte]

Fair, but counterpoint: the idea of someone calmly explaining to bootleg Steve Bautista over here that they think the $30 they paid is fair, and that the man about to burst a blood vessel over $3 should go to Doordash and ask for more money, is absolutely magical and hilarious and I am here for it.

[@Fooney1]

Who cares about blame or whos fault it is? You people are eating spit.

[@SudoYETI]

@@Potte Yes but keep in mind a lot of people are adverse to confrontations including but not limited to talking to someone on the phone. Now I'm a 6'5 guy so I'd personally have no problem walking out there to explain it to that guy but I can absolutely see why lot of people wouldn't want to deal with him and from what I can understand it was a woman. I wouldn't want my wife talking to that guy either.

[@PyroCatus]

I'm from a country without tipping culture so when you actually tip, people feel grateful for it instead of feeling entitled to a tip.

[@The_Gallowglass]

So your country does have a tipping culture, it's just different.

[@TheBooban]

@@The_Gallowglass actually, they sometimes can feel insulted. Had it rejected once by a bartender.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@TheBooban That's pride for you. Sinful really.

[@TheGhostFart]

@@The_Gallowglass your mental gymnastics are confusing

[@The_Gallowglass]

@TheGhostFart This isn't gymnastics. You're in the wrong class. You'll wanna go down the hall to 105B. That's probably why you're confused.

[@AAbattery444]

"the wool that tipping culture has pulled over everybody's eyes is it causes employees to be mad at the customer rather than to be mad at their boss." What a damn powerful statement.

[@thatslegit]

its the same for being under payed for a job that demands way too much. I worked at a place that dealt with furniture, appliances, and electronics and i was required to assemble and set up every desktop, and load every couch to customers car by myself for a check that would make a job at McDonald economically viable. because of that i simply hid away from customers since it wasnt worth my time or knew they want me to load a stove in their suv

[@FirstnameLastname-gy4bz]

Tipping is demanding to steal

[@blest5132]

they did the same for recycling and the environment, the companies make the plastic and profit from it BUT it's our responsibility to clean up, the gov't & corporations destroyed the environment and once again it's because we're driving the cars that all these companies make billions selling. they make the money, we get the heat.

[@xwarmangle]

LMFAO! When you order delivery from DD YOU are the "boss" YOU are paying the dashers wages

[@xwarmangle]

@@thatslegit 100

[@notimportant3394]

I agree to some degree, but I disagree that a customer should be expected to have a discussion about salary with a lunatic beating on their door over a tip.

[@xeanthomas5231]

A doordash employee that bangs on somebody's door and harasses them with 3+ phone calls should be fired. It's not even a discussion.

[@elijahheart9103]

The customer has nothing to do with your pay check. Your not making enough then get a better job.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

💯

[@blorblin]

actual 0 iq take. 'better jobs' shouldn't be the only recourse for people who need more income. Every full-time job should provide an individual with a stable living. EVERY extraction, manufacturing, service and research job is essential to society@@elijahheart9103

[@SaltandDragons]

@@xeanthomas5231 100%

[@Suzuki_Hiakura]

Tipping culture now reminds me of the story of some foreigner tipping 8% on a horrible waiter, to be kind despite the service, and after they pointed out that standard tipping percentages in the country were 10%, the foreigner had them clear the tip so they could "fix it". The foreigner cleared the tip and happily put a 0% tip on the check and told them there they go.

[@Soapy-chan]

based

[@Bandrik]

Haha, brilliant!

[@overbuiltlimited]

Then there is the opposite situation. I used to wait tables at a high end restaurant in Miami in the early ninties. One day I had a large party that took up my entire section. Very wealthy patrons from Brazil. I busted my ass for hours (yes some people take that long when at a nice restaurant) catering to their every need. The bill was enormous. The meal went off without a hitch. They were happy with the service. They left zero tip. Ruined my night as they left after closing. There was definitely a difference in the tips I received depending on where the diners were from. In my experience Brazilians were the worst. It was a running joke in the restaurant. When Brazilians sat at your table, you didn't expect a tip.

[@Suzuki_Hiakura]

@@overbuiltlimited That sounds awful, but reminds me of someone doing the same by leaving a folded 20-dollar bill under a jar of something. When the waiter would unfold it, it would have an advertisement for a church printed on the other side... honestly would be pissed at that church

[@StellaEFZ]

@@overbuiltlimited In Brazil tipping someone is actually seen as very rude because it implies the person can't afford to buy stuff. Moreover, there's a service tax in the bill that's 10% of the total (Some are 15% but the most common value is 10%) so it "forces" you to tip anyway

[@sullivan912]

The whole idea that you should give a tip through an app before you've even received what you've ordered is insane. It could be late, if it is hot food it could be cold, there could be items missing.

[@DoritoBot9000]

This!!!!!

[@jesseraphael2423]

@@iamnoname-a1most of the time not knowing where to go is not their fault, its the customers fault for giving shitty directions

[@jesseraphael2423]

Also who tf giving a 15-20 dollar tip? That shit basically never happens

[@Sammysapphira]

​@@jesseraphael2423 they have GPS bro

[@colinhaney]

Is that your takeaway here? That tipping culture is broken and unfair at the expense of the CONSUMER? If you don't have the faintest idea why something undesirable occurred with your order, and you have no IDEA if it was in the control of a tipped worker, you have to assume it was out of their control. Think about it, none of the reasons you gave are ethical reasons to "withhold" tip in an economy where it is expected. Things are not all under the control of your server, it's not reasonable to reduce tip to a live server based on something they can't control like when your food is ready...but at least with a server you can SEE them working. With app-based services there is no justification for this, as there can always be a number of possible setbacks invisible to the customer that can delay a delivery person. What's "insane" is that these platforms don't just tell customers flat out that tipping is expected. They are LOWERING their prices such that every once in a while, a driver takes a bad order, they rely on this being seen as "optional" income to squeeze out the sketchiest orders they fulfill. These companies are not even profitable, it's an incorrect assumption they are raking in money, the industry just hasn't reached competency. Point is, the idea you should withhold tip based on ANYTHING is insane. It is part of the price of your goods/services and the insane thing is that we have so many industries that leech off the darker implications of it being a choice. Pre-tipping is one of the few decent things Doordash does and I actually don't understand these "pissed that the customer didnt tip" videos based on Doordash tipping structure. Uber Eats or Grubhub i understand but DD doesn't work that way unless there's some finer details to the system that I'm missing...

[@CarlosPCastaneda]

I was in California on a holiday and a similar thing happened in a restaurant where someone didn't want to tip and the waiters and waitresses ganged up on the guy. No matter what the circumstance is, it's unprofessional and bad conduct to make a scene like that.

[@fatguy9]

California waiters and waitresses dont get paid below minimum wage like a lot of other states too

[@noticer3721]

@@fatguy9 which makes it even more disgusting and worthy of tipping them with hot lead.

[@MrCarloss510]

@@fatguy9 That's an issue with the government allowing restuarants to do that.

[@tissuepaper9962]

​​@@fatguy9 all service workers are guaranteed at least minimum wage, if they don't make it in tips. you're repeating propaganda, most service staff make more money on tips than they would have from a "fair" wage. restaurants that try to go to a no tip model can never find good servers.

[@wayfa13]

@@MrCarloss510 is there a comment that was deleted because he made a dbl negative and was just saying that in Cali they do get above minimum wage?

[@videowarehouse]

There isn't a tipping culture in Australia. I recently travelled to the US and felt guilt tripped the entire time I was there, not knowing what was expected, whether I was paying enough, and it genuinely took away from the dining experience. I was trying to do math in my head with every order to work out what it was actually costing me (the exchange rate being another factor at play). We pay working wages to staff, tipping only happens if someone goes above and beyond and is definitely not expected.

[@wolfhawk1999]

It's not that hard, $1 for every $5 is 20%. That said, I understand it's kinda silly, but the math isn't that hard

[@Sepear305]

Tipping is part of the culture here, I dont agree with it either, but as long as employers refuse to pay their employees enough in the service industry tipping is just basic decency. Besides, there's always percentage options on the menu, but yeah I agree it's a hassle

[@steampunk888]

@@Sepear305 Employers pay less BECAUSE of tipping. Tippers are causing the low wage.

[@steampunk888]

The guy in the video was trying to scare the customer into tipping. That's what this is about.

[@night-heron954]

@sepear, " maybe don't eat out"? You idiot. What a stupid thing to say 😅

[@isontenney2001]

She hung up because she was intimidated by the obviously angry delivery guy. Avoidance was her safest option.

[@dulcilass]

Probably wanted to have the phone free to call the police if needed.

[@aureateseigneur5317]

She hung up because she knew fucked up.

[@aureateseigneur5317]

@falcon_224 Don't remember the video so I don't remember the context of the comment *shrug* sorry.

[@rainbow20112011]

She was intimidated by the "angry" delivery guy, but she had no problem posting the video to the entire world to watch? Also, she was purposely being rude. I don't buy for a second that she was "afraid"--so that's why she hung up the phone. ...She PURPOSELY hung up the phone on him...She hates her life, projects her rude behavior onto other people, and gets an evil satisfaction out of it.

[@buntawrx]

As a European this is absolutely insane. Tips are supposed to show how much you liked the service you're provided, not a mandatory upping of the final payment for the service. A few days ago, my wife and I bought a 43" TV, and called an Uber to get us home. The driver was nice and helped with the TV, and we were very happy with the ride, so I tipped the guy almost the same amount as the ride actually cost. Now that's what tips are for.

[@eugenekrabs141]

comments like this is exactly why im planning on moving to europe someday, i dont care where in europe, just somewhere, i would even move to like the border between greece and turkey like i seriously dont care where, its just better there

[@jakke1975]

@@DailyCorvid Exactly! Seems Louis is disregarding the aggression a bit. I would not open the door nor answer such a person. Whatever problem that guy is having, the customer should NEVER be the target of anger.

[@stickfigure31]

It's actually sort of the same here, despite what you may have heard there is no mandatory tips. The US laws are just overly complicated and everyone in America is an idiot here. Read up on Tip credit, when you hear about an employee "only earning $2.13 an hour" in America that's not the full truth and it's because of tip credit. By law employees are required to earn at least minimum wage Federal law says $7.25 an hour (it can be higher depending on local state laws, but must be at least that). The "tip workers" are actually just minimum wage employees. What happens is if an employee receives a tip they must disclose it to their employer, file taxes on it, and their employer can dock their pay for that hour based on how much they got in tips in a 1 to 1 ratio (I'm only aware of California voting in a local state law to ban that practice, but other states may have). If an employee gets a $1 tip in an hour the employer is allowed to only pay them $6.25 for that hour. Because the combined total is still $7.25 the formula is roughly (at least minimum wage = salary + tip) kind of like the equation to plot a circle is (1 = x^2 + y^2), the salary has an absolute minimum of $2.13 an hour. Even if an employee earns more then $5.12 an hour in tips their employer must still pay them $2.13 for each of those hours and only then do these minimum wage employees some times earn more then minimum wage. This can be hard unless people sneak them cash tips and they don't disclose or file taxes on it (technically this is illegal, but people do it anyways. If you actually want to help a "tip workers" next time you visit the US that's the best way). Though you are completely free to not tip them, as if you don't the employer just end up footing the remainder of the bill for their wages as it should be. The other thing to remember is often these are just minimum wage jobs for people just entering the work force (high-schoolers and young college students, who honestly don't need a lot of money because they are still living at home). They aren't long term careers for adults, but many imagine they can earn enough tips to get ahead of minimum wage instead of just find a real career. Honestly a tad unrealistic, which is why states like California keep having to raise the minimum wage. Which just drives up inflation for everyone leaving the minimum waged employees in the same spot as before, but no one else is getting a pay increase making it worse for everyone else.

[@raspiankiado]

Tipping is part of the wage of the food/direct service industry worker. They get paid less, simply because tipping is expected to fill the void between barely managing, and living semi comfortably. It's disgusting it's gotten to the point that employees RELY on tips to survive, but, oh well...

[@jakke1975]

@@raspiankiado the point is that the employer should care enough about his employees to pay a reasonable wage. Tipping should be considered extras, a bonus for good performance. Base salary should never depend on the generosity of a customer.

[@zacksabresr.7409]

I think I can understand why the customer would hang up on the dude without saying anything. If somebody punched my door and then he called me asking for money I wouldn't want to talk to them either.

[@gundoxcrit1652]

I mean. The delivery driver had no right to talk to the customer. He did his job and after that was trespassing.

[@tissuepaper9962]

​​@@gundoxcrit1652 ken detected. go get the food yourself, if you're going to act that way. you should be able to tell when somebody is getting screwed on your behalf, why would you still use doordash when screwing the employee is their standing policy?

[@yassersaeed2010]

Agree. The delivery guy was rude when instead he should have asked for a tip nicely

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@tissuepaper9962 That's the responsibility of the employer.. If I use a service that shows a cost, I pay the cost. If people keep signing up for jobs at those companies just to get pissed they aren't getting paid, then they shouldn't sign up - and when nobody signs up, the company CEO will quickly realize their business model is wank and either make appropriate changes or go out of business. There is only one way this situation improves, and it starts with not paying for what isn't asked of you.

[@matthewfusaro2590]

He had no right to be angry regardless of how he knocked on the door. A tip is not required and he should expect some customers not to leave tips.

[@MizGizma]

EXACTLY. The only way I am willing to support a doordash worker is to just not use the doordash service at all. I do believe they are underpaid ... but that isn't because of the customers. Door dash is literally the one stealing your pay.

[@The_Gallowglass]

I would never do doordash. If I had a choice between doing regular uber and doordash I'd pick uber. At least if you do UBER, even without tips you can make decent money if you're good at it and in a big city market.

[@justacinnamonbun8658]

I drive for Lyft part time, like once a week for a few hours. My personal tip rate is like 30% so 3 out of every 10 fares will leave me some sort of tip. I can't demand a tip, it's appreciated for good service but I have to understand that even if there's a rider that feels I've given them the best service they've ever had in a Lyft, if they got in with the mindset that they're not going to tip, well guess what they're not going to tip. If I don't like Lyft because of the tip situation, then guess what, I just won't drive for Lyft anymore and I'll do something else. People have to chill the F out with demanding tips, broski, if you don't like it, leave. Stop doing Doordash. Its a free country, more or less anyway. You can start your own business. If I did that shit and chased down a rider after drop off for not tipping me, #1 that makes me look like a maniac on drugs and #2 I'll probably get a warming or just taken off the platform.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@Just a Cinnamon Bun oh yeah, you never demand tips. That's bad form. I feel since covid lockdowns and after, tipping frequency has gone way down. A good driver can make decent money even without tips, if they're in a good market and have some charisma and skills.

[@pysq8]

That's the only way Doordash will listen. It's certainly not by workers refusing their crap pay, bc someone in these slum ass cities is always desperate enough to take it. What a shithole country.

[@mattoliver4073]

@dopechez That an extreme oversimplification. DD could turn profits now if they wanted to, but they don't, or at least its not priority right now over rapid growth. They are spending copious amounts of money rapidly expanding into smaller, rural, and generally unprofitable markets in order to be seen everywhere. They offer the most aggressive coupons/discounts for customers (up to 50% off), taking loses on orders to attract buyers over other platforms to increase market share. Don't let the "we aren't profitable" angle they spin fool you, they are choosing to be unprofitable at this time, in exchange for exploding growth, and it has little to do with how much they pay drivers. They simply pay drivers as little as they can get away with.

[@B3Band]

"Was there a cash tip?" "Yeah, until you started pounding on my door. Have a good night."

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

'So how am i supposed to get it, if you won't answer the phone, OR the door?'

[@heartpop22]

​@@antediluvianatheist5262what makes you entitled for tip? It's your fault. Why get a job that doesn't compensates you? It's not our fault.

[@peachypet808]

​@@heartpop22"Why let yourself get exploited by a system you can not feasibly opt out of that does nothing but exploit the lower class and enrich the upper class?"

[@heartpop22]

@@peachypet808 Tip is gratuitous not an obligation. What makes you entitled for extra for doing the job of delivering the food from kitchen to table?

[@dancooper6002]

@@peachypet808 Quit smoking meth for breakfast.

[@djbearrr]

If not tipping means your delivery person abuses you or your food it means it's no longer a tip, it's blackmail.

[@deezelfairy]

​@@DellikkilleD No, you've paid for your food and you've paid for a delivery fee - you've paid for your service you should receive it. Come to my house with a 'give me money or I'm gonna be a aggressive asshole' attitude you'll be leaving it on your back...

[@HoloScope]

@@deezelfairy Don’t order food if you’re not going to tip, I don’t see why people think somehow not tipping the worker is going to hurt the trash employer. It’s only hurting the worker.

[@HoloScope]

@@deezelfairy If you’re that broke then just go drive/bike/walk/take a bus to Taco Bell. And no I don’t work in the service industry or do this doordash or uber gig work, so think of a better argument.

[@AndrewTheFrank]

Exactly how I feel. That we're not giving tips because of good service but to avoid bad service. Its all extortion.

[@alainportant6412]

@@deezelfairy do you want to assault the asshole

[@nopsry9694]

The way that guy smashed the door like that, no way in hell I'd open it. I cannot blame the customer one bit for completely disengaging. That's terrifying.

[@NidokingOtsutsuki]

open the door with a pistol pointed at him.

[@zachyoung9938]

I'm 6'3 and weigh 230, trained to fight most of my life, and I'M not opening that door either. That's a problem for the police to deal with

[@JanChrissD]

If i was the customer and had planned to tip - that would have been the end of that.

[@sunfade]

also if he explained to him why he didn’t tip like louis suggested, he would’ve 100% stomped his fucking food lmao

[@dellscorcho]

You are definitely not expecting to face an angry encounter when ordering food delivery. I am trying to avoid contact when ordering delivery. Banging and spam calling me im going even more dormant.

[@joelombardi4907]

The problem is Door Dash (and other delivery services) charges a delivery fee and service fee already. Then the driver expects a tip on top of that. In my opinion, the driver should get the delivery fee. This would end all of the craziness.

[@donaldlyons17]

Can you really see them ever giving the driver that money? I can't....

[@everyone2975]

The service fee added is the corporation skimming off the top. They want the customer to think that is the actual tip but it is NOT! The employee never gets that money.

[@CngDelta757]

Especially since food is usually costing more via delivery than even picking up with a restaurant app or in person.

[@donaldlyons17]

@Gormen Freeman Right and it just seems to me many don't bother running calculations to see how cost work. I don't do delivery but I already knew they can't make much if people online who offer delivery are constantly uploading videos....

[@MrR2185]

End up paying like 26 bucks for a 14 dollar meal....what a joke. Not worth it.

[@Antumarin]

If a person reacts that way to having no tip, pacing around my apartment, spam calling me and knocking my door with such strength, I wouldn't feel very compelled to try and reason with them, much less giving my reasoning to give no tip

[@sergeysmirnov1062]

That, so much that. If someone bangs on my door like a madman just because I didn't tip, exactly in which universe would me then calmly going "I didn't tip you because I don't agree with the tipping culture here in the US" do anything other than aggravate this lunatic further? By just throwing the food down like a child and then going on a tantrum, he already has proven he has the mental state of a petulant child. No, if anything I would call the police on the guy.

[@imageingredients8110]

I've stopped using services that expect tipping. That's the most ethical way i can think of to stop tipping people.

[@haroondaman7162]

In the UK I place orders with Uber eats sometimes, only when they give me 40-50% off, so I get 40% off my food, and buy from places that are close, so they charge like £0.29 for delivery, and then no tip. So they pay me to use there service, no wonder Uber is losing money

[@folkloreuh]

Yeah it’s kinda messed up to be like “walk into the office of an app company in San Francisco & demand a raise, don’t ask me for a tip” & continue to benefit from the evil business model of the app.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@folkloreuh I mean they're doing it to themselves and getting mad at customers instead of employers because they know they can hold the food hostage. There's no real reason for customers to stop ordering in protest when it's not them it's negatively affecting.

[@lai6551]

That’s the conclusion I came to too. As well as ignoring absurd tip lines on things that don’t normally have tips.

[@eugenekrabs141]

i mean its not unethical to not tip

[@b44rt]

I live in Europe, tipping here is done when you receive service above expectation. A tip is definitly NOT something you give every time.

[@Aeroxima]

That just makes more sense. I'd be for it being adopted.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Aeroxima It's how it should be, and how it was in the US too before the "tipping culture" reform. Like you would tip your hat, tipping money, it's a gesture of acknowledgement of who they are and what they provide (beyond what is expected). In my country in the EU there is no tipping custom, but it's fairly common to tip 10% for a good service as a genuine gesture, and some tip more for excellent services. Some don't tip. But nobody ever asks questions of what the customer decides, because inherently it's the customer's business what they do beyond what is asked from the price they're offered by the establishment. And service workers get paid a good wage regardless. There is still an incentive to go above and beyond because some people do still tip a fair amount, but it's never expected nor required to have a good living.

[@richardcampbell8685]

That’s the only time someone should tip.

[@MrPickledede]

But what you don't mention is that the service in Europe compared to the United States absolutely sucks they are very inattentive and ask as if you are annoying them and they don't come to your table they ignore you it can take over an hour to get their attention to bring you the bill I prefer the United States service because the server knows that if they provide me with good service they will get rewarded for it where is in Europe they treat me like garbage because either way they will be getting the same paycheck 14:57

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@MrPickledede That is literal asspull. I've been to almost every single country in Europe (and there are differences from country to country, believe it or not **ghasp** ), and I have family in the US and been there plenty of times, have many friends there, not exactly foreign country. Yes there are differences, but to say service as an all encompassing concept is better in the US is laughable. Its not better or worse, it tends to depend on the establishment in question. What you do see more of, is talkative service employees who may put on an extra smile here and there, but that's about it. Sometimes it comes off as hovering and obnoxiousness where they just won't let you enjoy your meal in peace cus they gotta earn that service tip... but that, too, is not the norm. Its just experiences that stand out from the norm, just like what I'm sure your experience in Europe is (if you have any, and aren't just citing whatever internet echo chambers tell you). But please, if you want to be taken seriously then present an argument and valid evidence for your reasoning. I presented mine, and my bias is neutral.

[@Fireguy97]

I was really pissed of at two installation technicians many years ago. We had a client that won a multi-million dollar lottery prize. They hired our company to install a high end security system in their home. The clients bought pizza and pop for the technicians during the three day installation process. What drove me crazy was that both installallers thought that it was in poor taste that the clients didn't tip them. They decided among themselves that, just because my clients had a windfall, that they should tip my guys generously. BTW, we're also a union shop. My guys were getting union rates at approximately $28.00/ hr + all benefits (25 years ago). My guys also have never received tips from any other clients, ever, yet they expected a tip from this company, ONLY BECAUSE THE CLIENT HAD MONEY.

[@MickeyMishra]

My god.. They are just barely paying me $25 an hour and they thought I was too expensive for LVE and Data center work. I really should be working with a company. But I'm ready to head out of the USA to just retire as if your not making at least $35 bucks an hour? Living/ Working in Portland makes little sense.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Rich people don't really tip anyway... entitled bltches had no idea

[@XM110]

@@MickeyMishra When I was looking for an IT job in Portland in the early 2000s, it looked to me as though ALL companies were grossly underpaying IT staff. Like somewhere in the $40-55K range where the same job on the east coast would net you $85K and above.

[@Elemblue2]

Alot of people in tipping culture say if you dont like it then dont use it. Also, alot of places that using tipping are going out of business.

[@teknophyle1]

trust me this is not the same scenario. not even close. DD basepay for an order starts at 2 dollars. not accounting for how long you're gonna wait at a restaurant, or how far you have to drive. 2 or 3 dollars for on average 20 minutes of your time is not reasonable pay.

[@truckermikemct1]

Here's one for you. A couple days ago I visited an electronic store here in the Philippines to purchase an external HDD for my laptop. The employees were very polite and served me well. Mounted in front of the cashier's area was a plastic tip box, the type with a small slot on the top. I asked the employees who receives the tips. They informed me that the owner does. I told them I would have left a tip if the money were for them. I attempted to hand them a few PHPs and they declined, telling me there is CCTV and they would be fired if they accepted any tips. I then thanked them and walked out the door.

[@kylejames8458]

I hope you left a scathing review for the owner of that business. Hell, you should put the business' name here

[@truckermikemct1]

I forgot to mention that the owner is Chinese.

[@MethodiousMind]

I heard years ago that Chinese own everything in the Philippines.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

​@@MethodiousMind Pure Chinese from mainland China don't but some do own a decent amount of assets. But in reality there are a lot of rich Filipino-Chinese instead. Like they're ethnically mixed, not just by nationality. And most of them don't really like main land china from what I remember.

[@ZenobiaofPalmyra]

@@Martin-yh7vi The Republic of China is clearly not sending their best.

[@kaliss7192]

Used to be a top dasher for awhile with nearly a thousand completed deliveries. Doordash tells you beforehand what you're going to get paid for a delivery before you even accept the order. You're literally supposed to weigh the risk reward of taking a low paying delivery. Doordash doesn't even penalize you for declining low paying orders.

[@brain.yogurt.5.56]

Yeah I think this customer edited the tip just before items arrived

[@tukos7370]

I started increasing what I pay in tip because my orders kept getting dropped. Fair.

[@johntron3849]

It’s crazy to me I came across guys who thought hey had to accept every order . One time a guy had a $10 order for like 11mi and he had been waiting like 20 min I told him to cancel it and he got scared and said no no , he barely spoke English and seemed like he was willing to do any order as long as he kept working and I’m sure dd knows that .

[@kaliss7192]

@John Tron I had like a 64% acceptance rate lol. Never bothered me.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

​@@brain.yogurt.5.56 I'm pretty sure doordash does not allow you to edit tips after the order is placed, unless you make a big deal and contact customer service due to a legitimate issue. at least that has not been possible in the five or six years I have been using it

[@Valto4life]

In this specific situation, I think any sort of negotiation or explaining the zero dollar tip went away when the delivery guy pounded the door angrily and didn't leave. A big adult man is at the door to your home pounding angrily, that's a self-defense situation especially if you're a woman who lives alone etc. no matter why it's happening. Hanging up the phone makes sense for the same reason as not opening the door. Interacting directly or over the phone (since they know you're at the other side of the door) makes them more likely to engage and try to intimidate you or harass you into doing what they want, if they don't resort to overt violence. With the door closed and you not engaging over the phone the worst that could happen is that the food gets ruined, and you can get refunded for that.

[@PlanADidntWorkOut]

100% agreed. In fact I'd say instant hang up is the BEST course of action. "Not my problem, talk to your boss" -> guy gets angrier "Sucks bro, hope things get better, have a nice day!" -> guy gets angrier "Things are tight sorry, here's $2" -> guy gets angrier "I'm so sorry, here's $10" -> guy now has incentive to get angrier

[@ezequielblanco8659]

Agreed. I'm not gonna give any kind of explanation to a person with that attitude. I'd be intimidated. Try to reason and explain the situation? I'm afraid he could kick my door down and beat me up.

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Japan has solved the "tipping problem" => there is never any tip of any kind. Even if you leave 10 cents on the counter, nobody will take it and they might run after you to give it back to you. In restaurants, there's never this awkward moment of having to decide how much tip to give. I have yet to meet a tourist who was able to leave a tip.

[@Ammut6]

...so how did they go about solving it lol

[@michael_stocker]

@@Ammut6 no tipping, the price should be in the price, and the customer can expect excellent service at all times (as they should) without worrying about being blackmailed with horrid service by disgruntled workers.

[@StevenBrener]

Exactly. Lived there for a while. Was shocked at first that they do not accept or expect tips. The price is the price. And, the service is great. This is how it should be. F*** tipping culture!

[@JonathanJK]

In Hong Kong there is just 10% added to the bill. Done.

[@aguy1883]

@@Ammut6 By paying low-skill people their worth. Drivers, waiters, etc are insanely entitled for doing the most brainless work imaginable.

[@MrWelsh89]

I live in the EU Netherlands and I've never tipped somebody. I seems so strange and out of place for me. Employers should always provide for their employees. This delivery guy should have been fired if it were up to me

[@purplespark8]

Yes. We should never tip. Waiters and drivers are doing their job just as everyone does theirs.

[@IndigoRavencat]

@@purplespark8 Yep, they should be paid like everyone else too.

[@AndrewCapital]

As a doordash worker who hands people their food, personally for me it's not about the tips, rather it's about "how many miles is it?". In return I choose the orders due to miles and in return I get what I get from doordash and if you tip thank you I appreciate it and if you don't still thank you for not being a hassle. Everything just flows as it is. 😊

[@fearless6947]

That's fair and I agree, as you should. Most people beef is with the tipping culture

[@tylersanders2388]

Miles don’t necessarily matter as much as where you are going. There can be a 2 mile drive in the middle of downtown that takes longer than a smooth 5 mile drive on an open road

[@Dope_Stories]

Legit just commented the same thing ... choose a minimum base your willing to accept and Base your deliveries on that.

[@versatileduplicity9313]

That's how every customer should be. Like you. Keep doing good.

[@michael_stocker]

you shouldn't be working at doordash if you choose orders by any means. This is why most of us get subjected to horrid treatment and congealed food from these exploited workers who take their frustrations out on the customers. Doordash is garbage and I will never use them.

[@KiCreativeStudioJP]

In Japan, there is no tipping system anywhere and the servers are still extremely polite and accommodating. It's paradise for customers.

[@Aeroxima]

I think it's not just the business structures, but a less selfish culture.

[@leeweesquee]

Isn't it more of an insult if you offer a tip in JP?

[@KiCreativeStudioJP]

@@leeweesquee They won't take offense. Most will just find it odd and just return it to you.

[@wizrom3046]

Same in australia, tipping is rare here. Although some bad american habits are starting to creep in, especially in the big cities.

[@PeebeesPet]

@@Aeroxima Omfg grow up.

[@Waldohasaskit210]

I avoid door-dash, take-out, delivery groceries or anything else where a tip is expected just to avoid the awkwardness/guilt of tip culture.

[@stephenjohn904]

that's exactly what i do. but they do try to sneak a tip request even for pick up orders. this is totally f--ed up

[@Waldohasaskit210]

@@stephenjohn904 Yeah but I don't feel guilty about not tipping pickup orders, especially when I already have my food and no one has a chance to spit in it

[@Michael-sb8jf]

How soon will McDonald's start asking for a tip

[@TomikaKelly]

Same. It's RIDICULOUSLY expensive with all of the extra added fees. I only use these services when I'm out of town on vacation.

[@AB-hu4fc]

@@TomikaKelly Just so you know the person who is delivering your order is only seeing $2.25 upto $5.50 for their basepay so that is why most are expecting a tip. The only way that basepay works is if you live half a mile from the resturant you ordered the food from. I did doordash for 1 month then accepted a w2 job with steady pay and medical beneifts.

[@manny_f]

100% agree. I had my ISP send a technician last week to replace a faulty router and I asked him if he could move the fibre optic cable to a different place. Normally this would have cost €70. He said it was no trouble and offered to do it for free. I gave him €30 cash which worked for both of us-I saved €40 and he made €30.

[@bobi6191]

I’ve worked as a delivery driver in the UK before. Tips were something that was appreciated but never expected. I mostly got £1 or £2 coins every once in a while, could probably count the number of times I’ve gotten more than that on one hand. They usually added up to around £20 a week. I find US tipping culture to be ridiculous, just charge 15 to 20 percent more and pay your employees properly. Tipping should be a reward for times when you think your service worker went above and beyond, not part of some weird social contact where you’re expected to subsidise a service worker’s wages.

[@The_Gallowglass]

"I find US tipping culture to be ridiculous, just charge 15 to 20 percent more and pay your employees properly." Yeah, on paper that works.

[@marcsetevage8502]

@@The_Gallowglass "Yeah, on paper that works." And also in most countries around the world.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@marcsetevage8502 So you're the expert. What country are you from and give the average wage of wait staff. Then we'll see the cost of living and see how it compares to here.

[@revengenerd1]

If I pay cash which is rare these days I partially tip i.e if its £19.50 I say keep the change from £20 if its £18.50 I expect the full change but if they say they are 50p short or offer me a handful of change I say keep it, also there is many service jobs that tips are auto included as a service charge which is used to trick customers into still tipping, and often there is jobs that even if you tip the individual they have to give the tips to the bosses and they will at the very least keep a portion for themselves if not keep it all.

[@marcsetevage8502]

@@revengenerd1 exactly! Apparently @Gallowglass would tell you this could work only on paper, and not in the real world.

[@Grant82gc]

This is why im appreciative of Australia . No tipping, no taxes after listed price, etc. What price you see in the app or on the menu is the price you pay, no confusion.

[@lazygit5415]

@@Brausmith hear hear. Someone get this man some tim tams. Tips are crazy and insulting

[@Elemblue2]

@@Brausmith You can reject it by refusing to participate.

[@eduardoarancibia169]

Should be the norm, but sounds like an utopia now.

[@TheHungrySlug]

I believe in fair pay for fair work. Though I have my own experience with tipping in Australia Eagle Boys Pizza only paid me $10 an hour as a delivery driver and I had to use my OWN vehicle, pay for my own fuel, vehicle maintenance. All that out of $10 an hour. Only way I left at the end of a day with profit, was when my customers would let me "Keep the change". $2 from a few orders helped me cover fuel cost for a night of deliveries, most of the time. Yet there were days when I couldn't work because I had no fuel and no money. Turned out in the end that there was a company delivery car, but the boss/owner of the franchise, used it as his personal vehicle, until i saw some paperwork on a desk that said it was registered as a company delivery vehicle. After that, I was offered the car to use for deliveries, but I wouldn't be allowed to "Keep the change" from the orders I delivered and it was only a small madza coup and couldn't fit more than 6 pizza boxes in heat bags. So it actually meant more traveling back and forth to do orders. Compared to my old car which had HEAPS of space and meant I could make a batch of deliveries in a single trip out of the store. $10 an hour for that was hard to justify and more so when you loose money while trying to make an income. Then again, the boss/owner was a dishonorably discharged Cop, so make of that what you will.

[@Roxor128]

@@Brausmith I'd be in favour of a law requiring that if the customer pays more than the bill, the surplus must be donated to charity. Also require that the specific charity be decided by a majority vote of the employees.

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Imagine asking for a tip after such attitude, after SWAT-style door-banging.

[@guyincognito320]

It wasn't about the money, it was about letting them know they're enjoying their luxury service that they didn't deserve because they're poor and cheap. We have very poor, low virtue people getting food brought to their doors by butlers at this point in history. There's a global network of slavery and parasitism that makes that all happen, and we call that technology. These delivery companies are complete scams and have no f'ing right to operate. Obviously the root problem is government allowing parasites to do business, then these unscrupulous, lying company execs, and much lower than that it's the cheap customer who's borderline stealing from the employee. This worker was undoubtedly wrong in some way, but he's by far the least of all bad actors in this situation. I just can't comprehend the moral mindset of the person who knowingly stiffs a worker, then when the worker inevitably gets mad about it, make sure the whole country sees it and he gets fired. He was bringing people food to pay this week's bills in exchange for auto value. Your car is trashed doing this, and you're literally losing money all the time, regardless if everyone tips decently. It's a criminal business.

[@michaelblacktree]

You hit the nail on the head. Employers are using tips as an excuse for shitty wages. So now, employees NEED those tips, just to make ends meet. I experienced this briefly, when I tried driving for Uber. I did the math, and if you didn't get X amount of tips in a day, you were making less than minimum wage. IMO that should be illegal, but Uber gets away with it. I gave Uber the middle finger, and will never do business with them again. That said, I never took it out on the customers. It's not their fault that Uber is exploitative. But whenever I got a chance, I would tell them how exploitative Uber really is. For some of them, it was a revelation.

[@KittenBowl1]

Uber is exploitative in other countries too. They come here and try to enforce their disgusting policies of tipping in a country where we have ZERO tipping culture. We feel like we have been colonized actually. And this is food delivery actually. The food prices are already 15-20% more expensive while the restaurant doesn’t get paid nor the driver. I really hate Uber, I now directly order from restaurants.

[@TUTruth]

No issues changing the tipping culture, but when they start paying what they should, expect menu prices to go up and even more than 20%.

[@dudeonbike800]

Not only do workers NEED the tips to survive, they're actually TAXED on their tips. When taxes started getting levied on workers, they were no longer "optional." Going out to eat means you're paying a tip. If you cannot afford the tip, then you cannot afford to eat out. Pretty simple.

[@AG-kb7yb]

Aaaand they still use uber

[@shadefangkweep]

Don't know for uber, as IIRC they pull some bullshit with independent contractors vs employees, but for a normal business it _is_ illegal. The tipped wage assumes tips, and if your tips don't make up the difference between tipped wage and minimum wage the employer is required to make up the difference. That being said, they're likely not going to, and if they have to you'll likely be fired.

[@gfdgdfgdfgdfggfdgdfgdfgdfg9709]

I would hang up too when a delivery guy knocks the door like that

[@matt-603]

I’d go out there with my gun. This is how these ppl get shot, thinking there’s no mofos with weapons who aren’t afraid to use it.

[@JimmyFantage]

@@matt-603 You're gonna the cops called on you some day.

[@Kabodanki]

@@matt-603 You would have cowardly hide in your bathtub. My dude try to act tough in on the internet lol

[@chaos.corner]

Walmart is currently advertising Walmart Plus with "free delivery". The "free delivery" is done by gig drivers who you are expected to tip. I hate this tipping thing. Pay people properly and charge accordingly.

[@mjc0961]

If I'm expected to tip, it's not free delivery. I'd rather they charge a proper fee for delivery and leave tipping out of it.

[@chaos.corner]

@@mjc0961 Yes. The other ridiculous thing is that on a $100 order, I could pay $20 or alternatively, drive the ~1 mile and pickup for free. There's no nuance there. Not to mention if they did it properly, they could probably have someone with a van do a 20 delivery run instead of bunches of one-offs.

[@chaos.corner]

@@mjc0961 FWIW, apparently there was no tip originally but I'm not sure of the details.

[@raouljoseph1411]

That's why I preferred curb side pick up. No tipping involved 😊

[@Furluge]

@@mjc0961 That's just it they do charge a proper fee. They're just putting the tip on there because there's 0 incentive not to. Some sucker will see the box actually tip so it's free $$.

[@CelineNoyce]

As a customer I no longer use any business that asks for tip. Right there I know they are not paying enough and their entire business model is based on that. NO MORE. I no longer use that business. Here the customer can help.

[@BobbyM7847]

Karen 😂

[@myagrimm4719]

​@@BobbyM7847 She cares about how the employees are being treated and that makes her a Karen? What

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@myagrimm4719 "Karen" is when woman has opinion.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@drunkenhobo8020 did you just have an opinion? Why would you do that? Join the hive mind, one of us, your base belongs to us

[@Ammut6]

That's not going to help the employees. That'll just make the business up their prices to make up for the lack of income.

[@brendanr1525]

5:08 Some people are not very good with hostile confrontation. Not to mention, he's not owed a tip, he's only there to deliver, and responding hostile, that's all he deserves.

[@TheStormyClouds]

Exactly. You think if she calmly explained why she doesn't want to tip that he would respond rationally? Nah, he'd probably scream at her, smash up the food, then leave.

[@jamescarter3196]

You cheapskates will say anything to defend being selfish sniveling fuckups. Look at you making excuses for your pathetic behavior. If you can't afford a tip then you don't need to buy the service, stupid.

[@jamescarter3196]

@@TheStormyClouds She doesn't have a good excuse and neither do you, cheapskate.

[@veggiequeen2738]

When I worked for Instacart I caught them stealing our tips because a regular customer was suspicious the company wasn’t giving us our tips. He was right and confirmed what I expected. App based jobs don’t have any worker’s rights, your a number to them.

[@M4TTYN]

And can wonder why their fighting against the fair wage for the gig workers. as much i and many see the need for a side hustle these apps are evil & need to be set straight on a few things asap!

[@Ariccio123]

This is theft! I hope you reported to your state labor department

[@veggiequeen2738]

@@Ariccio123 There was a class action suit against them.

[@RandomHandle120]

When tips are seeing as an entitlement, not a reward, and are expected before the service is rendered, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong with the system.

[@happypenguin25]

Nah dude, if someone is aggressively banging on my door, I'm not answering my phone at all. That driver is WAY out of line, regardless of the circumstance. I would view him as a threat, and call the authorities to escort him off my property. Like I have a kid, there's no way in hell I'm going to have an amicable discussion with someone who makes me feel unsafe in my own home where my family resides.

[@ChicagoShnozzlers]

Maybe you shouldn't order DoorDash if you don't have enough funds to tip the driver. If you don't you're a piece of shit, because we all know they make less than minimum wage.

[@Celestial_Wing]

I'd have stepped out with my shotty and asked what's up.

[@davidaviles8602]

@@Celestial_Wing YUPPPPP

[@MarioLuigi-vb3rp]

If it were in my bad neighborhood he would probably get shot if he tried to start something like this

[@ChicagoShnozzlers]

@@Celestial_Wing Damn dude you are fuckin bad assss

[@smileychess]

As a Doordash driver, I think it’s hilarious that he got so mad. When you are offered a job, you can clearly see the amount you’ll get paid. Since these drivers are contractors, they are allowed to decline any delivery for any reason. So if it doesn’t pay well, then don’t take the job. Easy.

[@JodyMay05]

And it's understood that the tip is not guaranteed

[@Mark54321]

Might be a new driver and, in instructions, might of said cash tip but who knows.

[@dbdchristopher]

That is why I get paid by the hour

[@aycoded7840]

Not every delivery driver is in the position to be able to refuse work.

[@truthwarstv]

Well if you are really a DD driver you would know that DD does not show the whole amount and in many cases DD will manipulate the drivers to get them to take low paying orders, DD drivers get paid $2.00 per order plus what ever the tips are. DD drivers destroy their car and pay for the gas, cell phone, insurance and maintenance for their car. Anyone comparing a DD driver to a waitress is and idiot. The waitress gets minimum wage plus tips and literally walks five feet from the kitchen to your table. A DD driver drives a lot of miles and uses a ton of gas to deliver peoples food... If you are to lazy to get your own food then you have a choice to use a luxury service. NO tip No Trip pick up your own dam food...

[@T00LF00L]

Dude I so agree with you. When I get delivery from doordash or whatever I give them $5-6 and I often feel like they weren’t even worth that much, they barely speak while handing me my order. However there’s this one Chinese restaurant near me that STILL offers free delivery and I always give that guy $10 cash because he is so kind and courteous, and he is incredibly grateful every time.

[@nomaderic]

Why the hell do you want someone to hand you your order that's weird. Just leave it at the door like a normal person

[@noticer3721]

@@nomaderic lmao, I'd love to walk by and just stomp the f outa your food on the ground.

[@T00LF00L]

Um no, why the fuck would I want my food left at the door? I don’t eat food off the ground like normal people.

[@tissuepaper9962]

​@@nomaderic obsessively avoiding social contact with strangers is *not normal* and definitely not healthy, buddy.

[@nomaderic]

@tissuepaper9962 I'm the most social person I know. I love talking to everyone. That said my question still stands. Does the mailman wait at your door to hand you mail. Does the Amazon driver stand at your door and wait to hand you a package?? No, then why do you want the doordash driver to do that? I have over 20k deliveries all over the country. I do around 20 orders per day and I only have maybe 2 orders per week where the customer wants me to hand them the food. 99.9 percent of customers want the order left at the door. Expecting the driver to wait for you to come to the door and hand you the food is weird. The customer is being weird not the driver

[@mariosuarez3411]

While in the USA, I went to a Japanese restaurant once. I got very lousy service by a very distracted waitress who did a very good job of neglecting our table, despite the restaurant not being very busy at that time. When we were done, we got up and we left without leaving a tip. The waitress followed us outside, demanded a tip and when I refused, she angrily asked why. These are the kind of situations that tipping creates. I have no need for that.

[@SquareTableDegenerates]

In the USA, even for horribe service, you should minimum still tip 15%.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

@@SquareTableDegenerates If you get horrible service from the person who you tip (the waiter) you shouldnt have to tip anything. Now that is only if THEY provide horrible service. Attitude, never showing up, visibly doing fuck all.. etc. Your food being late and lost in the kitchen, or your food being made wrong despite your order being written correctly, is NOT the waiters fault. Still give the waiter full tip in that situation.

[@vereenigdeoostindischecomp9932]

No, i only tip when they deserve it. Tipping isn't something tp gove away it is the extra you get for providing me a good service and treating me woth respect. Like this dude if he pounces on my door i will never give him a tip. Fucking hell. Try to fight for more pay.

[@based980]

@@SquareTableDegenerates no.

[@rk-wy8pu]

WTF kind of a "japanese" restaurant was that??? Anyone who's been to Japan knows that there is no tipping in Japan. We tried to tip once on our first trip there and we were chased by a very embarrassed hostess trying to return the amount we had put down as the tip. Love Japan so much.

[@captaininsano4538]

Door dash drivers are not employees they are independent contractors. There is no office to walk into, there is no salary. The problem is the driver accepting the trash offer in the first place

[@TheDanielmeeks]

I appreciate your perspective on this issue. As someone who has worked as a dasher, I can confirm that tips did indeed go 100% to the dasher. However, it's important to note that these tips were factored into the base pay. For instance, if Doordash was supposed to pay $13 for a delivery and the customer tipped $5, Doordash would only pay $8 out of pocket. In essence, the tip was used to subsidize the base pay.

[@BlackJesus8463]

They shouldn't be able to find employees with pay like that.

[@dabz___]

Seriously? So if you tip $6 vs $1, the driver is going to make the same no matter what?

[@TheDanielmeeks]

@@dabz___ when I worked the job when it was less saturated that was the case. Who knows what the model is now in a very saturated market. Cash tips were the only authentic method. Some customers new intuitively this may have been the case and they were right. I’m saying as someone that did around 3 thousand deliveries.

[@hithro5466]

That’s different from how it it now, distance and restaurant differ for base pay which is almost always 2.50-5 bucks then the tip get added on.

[@TheDanielmeeks]

On another note that driver when he accepted the job knew what his pay would be with tip. The only reason his anger would be justified was if the customer promised a cash tip.

[@randomviewer896]

I really hate tips and tipping culture. It feels more like another form of taxation that I have to pay for on top of the sales tax. This video just highlighted the exact reason why.

[@XantheFIN]

Well unlike in America in Russia you don't "tip".. its called bribery there at least honestly in these rare moments of who talking truthfully.

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

Tip based on factors such as distance, & weather for delivery. Granted some ppl say tip based on % but that’s not always fair for the customer.

[@nullismstudio]

All good points. Was recently asked to tip 30% on a carryout order. Since that's where the culture is going, I've stopped using doordash, ubereats, and eating out nearly as much.

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

If you notice restaurants are now asking 18-20% in tips.

[@harley6948]

I've also stopped using delivery services because I understand their frustration and that they are trying to make ends meet. I understand this is what they can do to earn themselves money and ANYTHING extra would help them more. But I also REFUSE to let someone make me feel bad about not tipping "enough". I'm more likely to tip big in the winter, especially around big shopping holidays, and in the summer when it's really hot. Otherwise, I'm probably not gonna 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@MrAntiKnowledge]

There's been cases where the self checkout at supermarkets asks you to leave a tip. It's getting ridiculous.

[@garcon45]

He proved with his actions and attitude why he didn't deserve a tip in the first place.

[@antonk.653]

I disagree, this is putting the cart before the horse. This guys anger was a consequence of not receiving a proper tip in his eyes (and possibly many more instances that made him freak out). You would just make things worse by punishing this guy. Louis Rossmann does it better, he redirects this anger towards the employer.

[@Desert-edDave]

@@antonk.653 The customer is not responsible for the actions of this individual, regardless, gratuity was not earned. Little boy threw temper tantrum and took it out on the customer. OP's point is sound.

[@antonk.653]

@@Desert-edDave I'm with you, but all this is retrospective. Imagine a culture where tipping is so pervaisively practiced that not tipping becomes suddenly an offense. Frustration and conflict is the consequence. So again, I don't support the delivery guy's actions, but it's better to tackle the root cause instead.

[@alfredellis8549]

I guess but also can you blame him? Doordash pays as little as like $3 per hour after you deduct you gas. Mans was probably on a hair trigger to begin with.

[@contentsdiffer5958]

@@alfredellis8549 I absolutely can, and I wonder if he didn't end up in that job due to burned bridges.

[@chriscampbell4857]

When I visited America for a week, eating out should have been a fun highlight of the trip, but pretty soon I began to resent every time I started to get hungry and wondering how I could get around not being guilted into tipping, or getting it wrong and pissing somebody off, or looking at prices on the menu and having to calculate what the 'real' price was. So we ended up buying food at supermarkets and eating at the hotel, it was much simpler and less stressful (and cheaper), and we still got to try a whole lot of different products that we'd never seen.

[@Sig509]

Go to the fast foods next time :D. In their sick tipping culture it is for some reason not required to tip in McDonalds etc., but in other place it is required, even though they are just handing you food.

[@burhanbudak6041]

@@Sig509 there is better food that McD.

[@kurtiscal3msetccdwell618]

Your ancestors stormed beaches and fought Nazis for you their descendant to have anxiety attacks over tipping smh

[@Ztygs]

@@Sig509 If I'm going to another country, I ain't going there to eat McD tho.

[@systemicsystems703]

Come on over to America and have some Rotten Ronnie's to expedite your life faster. Great slogan for the tourist!😅

[@jameshughes3014]

Thank you. The whole concept of expected tipping needs to be abolished. It's an excuse to pay unfairly low wages. But this is exactly right, if you're not getting paid enough get mad at your company, or get a different job. Make them struggle to find employees.

[@AcolyteofRlyeh]

IS it fair that I have to pay extra for my food, when you can't deliver a good service? Cuz that's what will happen when wages go up, the costumer will have to pay tips through the bill, and the service won't increase the slightest. "unfairly low wages" is a stupid concept.

[@jameshughes3014]

@@AcolyteofRlyeh yes. it is fair that you pay a fair price. if you are too poor to order it, go buy it yourself like the rest of us.

[@SaintBrick]

@@AcolyteofRlyeh If you think will change you're mad. The rest of the world figured this out long ago.

[@Goodmanperson55]

@@AcolyteofRlyeh The rest of the world calls it a "service charge". A good service should be a minimum bar to uphold for any service job. That's kinda the entire point. And it's pretty easy to make the argument that the reason why service workers are not good at their job is because their salary isn't giving them a reason to uphold this reasonable minimum found in the rest of the world.

[@AcolyteofRlyeh]

@@Goodmanperson55 Denmark got some of the highest wages in the world, but the service is shit.

[@HydraulicPressChannel]

I have never understood the tipping at all. The mechanic example makes sense and people do that also here in Finland all the time. But the fact people don't get large enough salary from the company that hires them or the fact that some people don't give you a decent customer service if you don't specially pay for it makes 0 sense. Why not just pump up the prices all cross the board and hold employees to some standard how they are allowed to treat customers and still keep their job? No more pointless hassle with the cash or awkward situations with stupid preset tips with the machines. Then while I am ranting. For example on some hotels where they want to carry your pack for you. There is WAY more work for me to keep sure that I have cash to tip the persons doing all stupid tasks like this instead of just doing carrying the pack my self. I don't get any enjoyment from not having to carry my own pack or avoid other similar minor tasks that are just normal part of life. Parking the car is also one of these.

[@Antony_Jenner]

That comment was crushing Lauri! 😱😱🤣🤣

[@burhanbudak6041]

There is no employers, only workforce renters.

[@Joe--]

This! Good comment, saving it

[@Joe--]

@@brodie3088 What are you trying to get at? You don't seem to dispute what the OP said about not being paid enough? Or that the current culture/system needs to change.

[@Joe--]

​@@brodie3088 "a lot easier for the system to change" Agreed. It seems there's not too much disagreement on the substance. "Using the wrong words to describe the system demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the system works." Yeah, that's a fair point. 👍

[@Voorhees-Jason]

The problem is this guy is at the customer's house and he is a pretty big guy knocking on the door aggressively, and when he called the customer, I am sure the customer did not want to deal with confrontation. It should not be the job of the customer to explain themself either of why they tipped or not. When I go and buy something I just want the thing I bought and not have to explain myself either. Also some people do not deal with confrontations very well.

[@zerofox2030]

Both of them are shitty people

[@ApexGale]

I have sympathy for people working service jobs. But I don't consider someone handing me what I pay for a tippable service. That's literally just doing your job. I'm not paying you a tip just for giving me the cookie I bought.

[@rossmanngroup]

Yeah and that is the thing. When my shipping clerk packages an order for somebody who buys 25 different chips, a hot air station, a bunch of different flux and solder pastes, he is doing 10 times as much work as somebody bringing a plate over to your table. Where is his tip? There is no expectation that he get a tip! The expectation is that I pay him enough to do his f****** job! But a restaurant or delivery company is allowed to pay somebody garbage and expect me to pick up the tab on the rest. If I pay Patrick $2 an hour, I'm the asshole. If a restaurant pays you $2 an hour, he's a restaurant owner. You tip the waiter, but not the UPS delivery driver. You tip doordash, but not the postman. You tip a valet driver, but not the person who moves all the shopping carts out of the way of the parking lot in the grocery store. It just makes no fucking sense. It's so arbitrary what is, and isn't, a tipping profession in America. Perhaps I'm salty because most of the jobs here are jobs that are outside tipping culture. My lowest base salary for entry level position here is $25/hour. I can't do the whole _"you get $2/hr and the customer will give you the rest, work it out with them"_ bullshit

[@thediadect8914]

Not a tippable service? Then why don't you go pick it up yourself then? This is the same argument that millenials use "omg why is this place open on the Christmas you guys deserve a break". Like, no sh** Sherlock I'm here because you are here and made it profitable for my employer to demand I show up to work on holidays or be fired. You don't want to pay tips to service workers? Fine, then don't use their services.

[@ohsweetmystery]

@@rossmanngroup Restaurants do not pay low wages to servers. I was a waitress in the 70's and worked in a small chain restaurant. I was paid less than standard minimum wage, but was guaranteed up to the full minimum wage if I failed to make that up in tips. I NEVER made less than $10/hr and that was a long time ago. Poor servers made less, good servers made more. A restaurant recently tried to eliminate tips and pay employees a higher wage and it FAILED because servers made a lot less. As a good server you will make much more in tips than you will ever make if they eliminate tipping.

[@nivada94]

@@rossmanngroup That is one of the things I like about living in europe, there is not really a tipping culture here, the restaurants have to pay their employees enough on their own. You could still leave a tip in europe to somebody that you think went beyond anything you expected to make you feel comfortable, but is not required or needed for them to live. Which is the way it should be. Cause if you get a tip here, it means so much more then in america, you know they tipped cause they really liked how you treated them. (unless american costumer cause they might be new to europe and might not know that tipping culture here does almost not exist) Instead of americas way where it is sort of expected from people so that you can survive! I hope tipping culture in america will go away.

[@AntonioCunningham]

​@@ohsweetmysteryThis is why I stopped going to restaurants. As long as they rely on tipping, I'm not interested. I'd rather the industry go away than keep the shitty tipping racket

[@Nadine_D7]

They need to get rid of the tipping culture. I think USA is the only country that have this tipping culture.

[@Livingvapour]

Unfortunately it bleeds into Canada too. Please save us.

[@jinga9862]

New York tried and tipped workers protested because as they claimed, "it would be a pay cut."

[@phlodel]

@@jinga9862 Fuck 'em. get a better paying job.

[@tvviewer4500]

Who are you the IRS? The USA is hardly the only country that have tipping. You might just be a degenerate no-tipping bum

[@Rathial]

@@tvviewer4500 not sure if sarcasm; but the USA is the only one that weaponizes tipping culture to avoid paying a living wage to employees

[@BornRemaining]

All types of hidden fees, including expectation of tips need to be outlawed. How TF is it legal to not tell people how much something costs???

[@yaughl]

"Plus tax" also needs to go. ALL costs should be included in the price.

[@BornRemaining]

@@yaughl So true. I've been to several other countries, not one of them does that crap! And you ever see those lists or just comments from foreigners visiting the US saying things they didn't like? Always say that it's BS they get told the wrong price b/c tax gets added after, like they're just supposed to shop w/ a calculator in their hand the whole time.

[@yaughl]

​@@anthonyrusso6696 Aren't 'delivery fees' supposed to pay all parties involved with he delivery of the item? Also, is a 'processing fee' just part B of the delivery fee? I'm convinced these made up fees are separated only to portray each as 'only a few dollars'.

[@BornRemaining]

@@anthonyrusso6696 Literally extortion. They even admit it's extortion straight up. "Be a shame if you didn't tip and your food took forever to get to you, all cold and stale..."

[@eragon78]

@@BornRemaining Its also exploitation of human emotions. Most people feel guilty or bad if they dont tip when its "expected" to tip, since tipping culture is a cancer on society thats ingrained in our culture that if you dont tip people who need it, they wont get paid and wont be able to eat. So you're a bad person if you dont tip. This is PURELY emotional manipulation to get people to pay more money than they otherwise would have, and it works SHOCKINGLY well, to the point that many companies have realized they can just ask for tips, even when it makes ZERO sense, and many people will still feel obligated to give a tip completely lead on by the cultural brainwashing. This is why you UNIRONICALLY get shit like landlords asking for tips, or AUTOMATED CHECKOUT LINES where a person is NEVER EVEN INVOLVED asking for tips too. This shit ACTUALLY works to exploit many people into giving a tip because of social conditioning. Tipping should just straight up be illegal honestly. Its an inherently exploitative and emotionally manipulative trick to get customers to pay more than they otherwise would have.

[@oneofthe12sionmains70]

As a Doordash driver, I'm very confused how this even happened. Maybe the system was different six months ago, but we get to choose whether we accept an order or not and get openly told how much money we will make on the order, alongside the route and distance travelled. Where in this equation was he caught off guard that a customer wouldn't tip? He could have easily declined the order, or if he felt petty he can accept the order then unassign because of a "long wait time" and say the food won't be ready for 20+ minutes to greatly inconvenience a non-tipper (a new person won't be assigned until doordash thinks the food is done). Why accept the order seeing the price, drive to the store, pick it up and drive to the customer all while the "Current offer: $2.50" sits in the top right of the app, just to complain upon arrival?

[@k.b.tidwell]

If I'm not wrong something has changed in the last month or so about the tipping policy with SOME food delivery companies. Maybe making it so that it's not visible to the drivers. Don't quote me. Better look it up.

[@AG-kb7yb]

Same reason he is a delivery driver, not the brightest

[@AG-kb7yb]

​@@The_Insanity_PlexPeople know better, than you. Tipping is optional, you don't like it get another job.

[@k.b.tidwell]

@@AG-kb7yb so your contribution here is to tear someone you don't even know, down. 🙄

[@AG-kb7yb]

@@k.b.tidwell The video shows enough, he sound bright to you? Tries to intimidate his way into a tip. Demanding a tip is harassment and should be classed as attempted theft. But you keep on defending him 🙄

[@TheInstrospectM]

Great advice Lous. I think tipping in the US has become a racket, essentially shaking down the customer to make up for the employer, it's no longer a bonus for good service.

[@filthyfrankblack4067]

Right and now the government want to tax that and reach their decrepit hands down these servers pockets.

[@Rathial]

Honestly it's wild how companies somehow managed to throw the "Burden" of paying their employees onto the someone else. The fact that someone would get mad and shame the customer for something that should be your bosses responsibility is crazy.

[@microponics2695]

This again is wrong think. Tips are amazing you'll get paid way more than the company if you do a good job. If you screw up and suck you get no tips and your pay is not going to pay the bills. People who rely on tips and don't get them always remember you. They'll be waiting for your non tipping ass to come again so they can pick their noise and put it in your food. They're 3 hours late to get you when your car breaks down. You get to decide on the quality of service you want. And you get to decide on who gets to keep their job.. not the company.

[@the_expidition427]

Queue the lay offs when unemployment responds to the rising interest rate environment. It is the employers responsibility to pay a living wage and any employee that expects that from a customer is able to vacate and get out. It does not even avoid taxes as tips are still taxed by the IRS.

[@Manganization]

@@microponics2695 tips are amazing when it is optional, not the unspoken mandatory option. It's not like everywhere else don't also tip. Let tips be something a customer rewards on their own time. Tips should NOT be a replacement for your salary. It's in the term, it's a "tip", something extra for your work, not something necessary so you can get by. Making your employee's salary dependant on tipping just builds resentment and expectations for both parties. If a business wants to make it seem like their products are cheap, and thinks that this also builds motivation to serve better, then doing so by introducing a mandatory tipping policy is not the way to go. Sounds to me like your suggestion errs on a power-trip. They're employees, not your personal slaves.

[@LiGhTfOoT_]

Late Stage Capitalism. Stuff like this is only going to get worse. Corporations are going to continue to cut back so they can post record profits to get those six figure bonuses.

[@Krranski]

@@LiGhTfOoT_ This. Companies are increasingly doing more to get away with the maximum they can while not even paying people enough to live, let alone have a family. Could be a spicy summer.

[@asparceproton1]

Tipping before the service is rendered is crazy. I can’t even believe this is an actual precedent these days.

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

so i spending the gas and wear on your car to deliver someone food without guarenteed money

[@JohannOldman]

If delivery services aren’t paying their employees or contractors adequately, that hardly occurs to the average consumer. Many people assume tips are always extra, and don’t realize that, for example, tipped staff are not eligible for minimum wage.

[@ML-sc3pt]

​@@TheFamousMockingbird sounds like you need your company to pay you more.

[@ML-sc3pt]

​@@JohannOldman bullshit They are eligible for it. They just only get that lower rate until your tips don't meet the difference between it and minimum wage

[@landonp629]

It isn’t really a tip… doordash calls it that, but ultimately it’s how much you are willing to bid for be to bring your food to you. I’m not a doordash employee - I’m a contractor that contracts with doordash to deliver food on their behalf. Doordash is a middle-man providing the ordering app to you, not a delivery company. When ordering doordash, just keep this in mind.

[@davideklove5770]

I have said it before and i will say it again. Doordash and UberEats need to take the custromers control of a tip away and make it part of the cost of ordering delivery, to the point that the driver gets a BARE MINIMUM of $10 per delivery.

[@snake5solid]

Louis, there's a tall, strong, very angry man punching on your door and harassing you through the phone. There's absolutely no way I'm opening the door or explaining anything on the call. It's dangerous for a man, it's even more dangerous for a woman or a teenager. And that's on top of the fact that he's not owed an explanation and the explanation itself will be just a way to escalate the situation.

[@kACT-c5x]

Agreed F that i think even explaining "Look it came out to be $30 for this food which was way above my budget sorry" would have just sent him into potentially bashing downing the door this dude did't look stable.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Yeah that was a terrible take from Louis. This isn't an exploited worker. This is a huge angry guy that's got used to bullying people into getting what he wants. He deserves no explanation, no tip and no more job. I mean he's the sort of person who can't even hold down a delivery job FFS.

[@josedorsaith5261]

Statistically it's more dangerous for a man, but I agree with you

[@freebird901]

The WHOLE service industry needs to be revamped PERIOD!

[@TLJAWSIMIB]

EXACTLY. 👍👍👍👍👽👽😎😎

[@Rathial]

Tipping should 100% be the exception not the norm. Someone deserves a tip for doing an exceptional job and a tip shouldn't subsidize someone's wages but instead should only be added on top of a normal wage.

[@alan5506]

I think tipping can essentially serve as a customer review/survey but with more weight and less information. Also, you are not subsidizing their wage. You would end up paying the same amount of money and the money would go to the same place as before. The only thing that would change is how the bill is presented to you. There should be no tip for delivery because there is little a delivery can add to enhance the service. You just bring a thing intact to a place.

[@litrogue6328]

nah u tip or i mess with ur food simple as that yall dont get to profit off my free labor no more

[@Slugbunny]

Tipping should just disappear. People should be paid a good wage and that's it.

[@ghosthunter0950]

@@alan5506 Nope you're a moron if you think that. menu prices are just expensive as everywhere else. the extra money that the employer doesn't pay the staff goes to his pocket. that's it. pay a living wage first and have a tip option as well. how is it moral to employ someone to let them stay at the mercy of customers for a wage when the customers aren't even required to?

[@chrisfrench9257]

Don't think of it as a tip but as a bid. You are bidding for your driver. I have my own parameters that I go by to decide whether or not I pick an order or decline it. After over 1300 deliveries, I can tell you without a doubt that a cash tip is less than 1% likely regardless of the situation. Because of this, I cannot take the risk as the odds are stacked against me and I would be a moron to accept it. I deliver all of my orders with the same respect and customer service, regardless of tip. Tip baiting is somewhat of an issue. Its where someone can reel you in with a good tip, then remove it after the delivery. This is something that Uber Eats has to deal with as they allow customers to increase/decrease the tip after the order for up to an hour. If the trip is short mileage, we only get a $2 base pay. If its around 6-10 miles it will go up to around $4-5 base pay, sometimes. It really depends on how many drivers decline the order that determines the base pay overall. Again, think of it more as bidding for your driver. If you don't tip or don't tip a reasonable amount, your food is going to take longer in many cases because no one will want to take the risk. Both the customer and the contracted driver get screwed in the end because corporate greed doesn't care as long as they get theirs.

[@Spocklee]

As a pizza delivery driver the tip is more than half my income. It's fucked up.

[@bronxriverchinobrown2856]

That’s on u brother, get a skill or something. (Coming from a guy not making a ton of money)

[@aaronsmith9209]

I'm British too and find tipping a bit insulting really. These goods and services cost enough as it is and if I liked what I received, I'll go out of my way to do more business with you. Don't expect any more money from the customer, expect it from your boss, join a union.

[@InternetUser._]

I concur

[@creativecommons8194]

I was told EU has automatic gratuity. Is that true?

[@paulcarmi8130]

Didn’t unions ruin your car industry?

[@HeadStronger-HS]

Tipping in the United States is getting out of control. I read some self checkout machines at grocery stores are bringing up the tip screen. Oh the irony.

[@runwithme9643]

EU is too broad a term. UK - more common to see gratuity included in higher end places but you can have it taken off almost always. Other EU countries, varies greatly but generally there's nothing even close to the US tipping system. Tipping overwhelmingly seen as a gift of thanks that isn't expected by default.

[@PantsingtonHardware]

Fun story: I was in Savannah, GA (work trip) and a buddy of mine couldn't pay his bar tab, because his credit card was flagged for sus purchases, which he resolved in about 30 minutes. I paid his tab, and the bartender asked me why I didn't tip. I explained that I was just paying what my buddy owed until he could square away his card, that he would be back in a few, and added in that I wasnt planning on paying my friends $120 tab. Guess what? I was berrated and treated like a total piece of shit, even after I explained that I tipped $15 on my own $45 tab. I was asked (word for word) "Sooo, what's an extra $15-20 then?" "You can't tip for your friend too?" "Don't you see how fucked up what you're doing is?!" Needless to say some choice words were had by all, but the tipping culture in America is absolutely out of hand, and needs to go away. The best part about this is our work trip lasted 3 months, and I was the project lead, so I just told everyone (34 of us) to avoid that place in the future, and they lost out on our alcoholic purchases for those 3 months. They showed us though, right? 😂

[@TheBooban]

They know nothing about what they missed. In America there are so many people, the next new customer is coming to who doesn’t know anything bad about this bar.

[@PantsingtonHardware]

@@TheBooban I mostly agree, but people know plenty bad about the bar. Lots of us left bad reviews about the tipping incident.

[@akale2620]

You should have taken your entire team there once more and not tipped a dime.

[@thejohnjosh]

At this point being childish back is justified in my view. If it's a female, I tell her to hit onlyfans. If its a male, I tell him to hit the oil rigs. Usually shuts them up, but then again, I have no concept of shame in public thanks to my autism

[@andersbodin1551]

@@thejohnjosh at this point it sounds like emotional manipulation.

[@Nickname863]

I always hated the sentiment of "The employee is underpaid, so they need a tip from you and you are expected to tip them". Because it puts the burden on me. I just want to pay foor a service, i don't want to guess how much money is appropriate to add to the bill so the employee that delivered the service actually can eat at the end of the month.

[@houstoneuler]

Unfortunately that's the sentiment of numerous comments here, scolding people that they should not get delivery if they're not going to tip. This is turning me into a co-employer where it's expected that i cover part of the employee's salary even though i'm not allowed to collect their social security number like my co-employer does

[@a_plastic_bag]

I'm so glad we don't have that sort of mentality here in Australia.

[@StillJustD]

except there is one problem with that. That s a lie servers came up with to guilt trip people who don't know any better. Most people don't know that those "underpaid" people will NEVER make less than a full time workers minimum wage. BY LAW. And if they are a part time worker they will make the equivalent of full pay for a part time worker. when an employees tips don't make their pay over the equivalent, employers are REQUIRED BY LAW to make up the difference. Ive been in hospitality for over 20 years and you will NEVER catch me tipping someone even when their service is bad and they will NOT be gettin 20% for doing something simple as bring some plates of food, filling a drink, and writing down an order. Especially when I know first hand their job is not difficult in the slightest having done it for years myself. And knowing there are at no point ever going to not make their full pay. Servers on average make about 46$ a year. And we all know they don't claim the majority of their cash tips. Unless we are going to start tipping mcdonalds workers, etc and other industry people who make less than them its a moot point. There's nothing to feel guilted about at all.

[@PaulV.]

In almost every other country except the US and Canada tipping is optional and 10% considered to be a tip from the satisfied customer. On the other hand in all those countries businesses are similary not allowed to pay their employees just one third of the country minimal wage.

[@0525ohhwell]

I actually don't fault the customer for hanging up. That driver was obviously way too aggressive.

[@MuDkipzCHancelLOr]

could've just tipped, people living in constant fear and terror tend to be aggressive :).

[@t_ylr]

Yeah I saw the title and was ready to be mad at the customer. I used to work for a delivery app and the min tip was $2, and ppl would order groceries. So you could literally spend an hour working for a $2 tip. Unfortunately we have tipping culture in America you not leaving a tip is a jerk move. However that guy can't act like that. Yeah of course they're not gonna talk to you

[@BritishEngineer]

@@MuDkipzCHancelLOr some people suddenly become psychologists in yt comments sections.

[@akuma4323]

@@BritishEngineer hahaha true

[@ericjencson9489]

The drive was flat out of line. I would have fired him on the spot

[@alexm566]

He's seriously expecting a cash tip after he dropped the food on the floor like that?! That guy came to just fight and get his anger issues on somebody else.

[@_Stin_]

Unless he's overvaluing simple legwork.

[@liamlinson7563]

its doordash, they dont pay dashers for their gasoline, the dashers gotta do it themselves

[@TheCatvolador]

​@@liamlinson7563 and the customers did nothing on that. Tips should then be mandatory and displayed as an added cost, it's the app fault.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Tipping is meant for extraordinary service. This guy expects it when he can't even hold the food in hands.

[@volundrfrey896]

@@liamlinson7563 The customer can not be expected to know the financial structure of the company they're doing business with. Especially not when it's not public information, committing corporate espionage should not be a requirement for using a delivery service. Furthermore a customer should not be required to accurately guess a price for an individual parts of a purchase, their task is going "$20 for a burger delivered, that's acceptable/unacceptable to me".

[@ShirakoriMio]

Everything you said about value exchange and the employer is 100% spot on. I don't think the person who hung up is at fault at all though. That's a safety thing and a fear thing, I don't blame them whatsoever for hanging up because they, as a consumer, have no obligation to teach business to anyone, especially when their safety felt threatened. On that, I could not disagree with you more, but I do see the point you're trying to make.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

I'd be afraid of the delivery guy if he was banging on my door too. I'm aware of the tipping culture in America and it does exist from where I live too just not to this extent. But I always thought that tipping was not mandatory like this. At least it feels like a societal level, everyone is forced to tip which defeats the point of what tipping is.

[@blackdandelion5549]

I agree. Not everyone who does door dash or w/e is a nice and friendly person. If they called me and banged on my door I'd be scared and worried they were aggressive and I would be ready to call PD.

[@dancooper6002]

@@blackdandelion5549 "ready to call PD" why? So they could find whats left of you? Doesn't solve anything.

[@wizewizard1840]

As a German I just find it hilarious how dumb and fucked up most of the stuff in the USA is. This tipping bullshit is one of those things.

[@peckc16]

Tips were one of the hardest things to come back to after 2y in Europe. I actually felt I got BETTER service in most restaurants because everyone is your server- there is no mentality of "I'm not getting tipped by your table, so I'm gonna blow past you". And for the love of God can we force all fees and taxes in the line price already!?

[@The_Gallowglass]

And how much are they paying those servers in Europe?

[@peckc16]

@@The_Gallowglass like literally every other business- the listed cost for goods and services...

[@TheBooban]

⁠@@The_Gallowglass I told you. About $2300 usd per month in Sweden. And btw, the service is worse here than the US. 100% guaranteed. They don’t know how to serve, at all. Dumb as bricks. Fingers in the food OFTEN. Don’t believe the high horses euros who think it paradise here.

[@DoritoBot9000]

@@The_Gallowglass a living wage that allows you to go out on weekends, take holidays, go to college, and includes healthcare.

[@pontiacg445]

@@The_Gallowglass Google tells me that a server in the EU makes on average 11 euros an hour, which as of right now is ~$11 an hour. Whoopie. Google also tells me that the average rent in EU is ~885 a month. That is 395 euro left per month for all other expenses. Sure are going out on weekends, taking holidays, and whatever other nonsense you can come up with. Anyone with a pulse can get a job at mcdees here in the states paying more than $15 an hour, and that's where I am way out in the sticks where a whole house + 6 car garage is only $615 a month. The grass is not always as green on the other side as it appears. Those on the other side sure love to try and make us think so, though. Either that or they're trying to convince themselves...

[@Ginfidel]

The moment someone gets aggressive like that, the social contract goes out the window. You deserve no niceties, no explanations, no words. You get silence until you go away. And you will go away. One way or another.

[@Bit01]

I literally pay another company for an app that sits in the background and declines no tip orders for me so I don't have to waste the effort of moving my arm to get rid of you.

[@greenking7390]

@@Bit01 Yeah but who asked.

[@AndrewSouthworth]

100%. The customer in this case is a jerk for not tipping, but the driver has no business acting this way.

[@AntoshaPushkin]

​@@AndrewSouthworth you are not a jerk for not tipping. The delivery service/restaurant/whoever employs the delivery guy is a jerk for guilt tripping you into paying tips instead of including service in the price.

[@eno88]

@@AndrewSouthworth found the american!

[@StorytellingHeadshots]

This is LITERALLY the reason I don’t use door dash and similar apps.

[@Slayer8957]

Youre too cheap to tip?

[@neohelios77]

Agreed. I'm perfectly capable of walking and driving myself. If someone were elderly or sick and needed the extra help: totally understand. But grown-ass adults who are physically capable, should NOT be paying another human being to go fetch their food. Grow up. Fast food. Asian food. Pizza. Don't care. "If you have a car, get off your ass and go get your own damn food."

[@neohelios77]

​@@Slayer8957 - yeah, I guess so. Does that make you mad? Oooooh nooooo! :( :( :( Go get a job as a waiter or a barista if you want my tips--that's ALL I tip for, now... Oh and hotel cleaners. And my hairdresser, especially for a good beard trim and shave (love that warm lather). And at holidays for my mail carrier. And my mechanic for giving us a free safety check prior to a long road trip. So there's your options if you want tips. Kbye!!

[@sabbottart]

Domino’s Pizza (as an example) charges a delivery fee that does not go to the driver. In essence you’re helping Domino’s to pay his/her salary + you’re expected to tip on top of that. Basically the CEO of Domino’s is telling you to blow him every time you order delivery from there.

[@str8jaz]

​@@neohelios77 If there is a job being offered from a company and YOU as a grown ass adult accepts said job then get your ass in your car and bring me my food that I ordered and YOUR job pays YOU to deliver. Stop whining like a little sissy ass. It's not my responsibility to feel bad for YOU that you accepted that job. YOU did that. Want more money? Get a better job loser.

[@mclarenf1lm374]

In Romania they had a MANDATORY 25% or so tip. In Bulgaria we tip to thank the restaurant for providing us with a good service, better than expected, whatever. I was mad at this when I discovered it because yet again we are setting the status quo that not the business owner but the customers should pay the salaries... just so the business owner can afford that brand new lamborghini they very much needed instead of paying their employees better.

[@SaffronTheBat]

As someone who dashed for 3 years.. these drivers are crazy. YOU can accept and decline orders at your leisure/ you know what you're getting before you accept. some orders dont have have tips, some have really high tips. it balances out most of the time.

[@TruFrag]

You DO NOT know what you are going to earn from an order on the Dasher app. You are told the minimum payout which never covers the coast to the driver... We have to gamble on every single accept or decline. The customer is paying the driver. Doordash pays the driver a contract fee for completing the delivery but that's separate from everything else and has nothing to do with the customer.

[@al_chargedup]

DoorDash and Instacart have made it to where they pay the bare minimum and the customer pays the wage of delivery to the worker. Instacart will have an order for $8 you’ll look at the order and it’s Instacart paying $3.86 and the customer is tipping $4.14. Don’t accept the order wait 10 minutes and same order Instacart is now offering to pay $5 and some change the tip is the same. So yea you can be upset for the company trying to short change you every single time. Especially when gas is $5 a gallon and you had to use $6 worth of gas to do the delivery.

[@havenbastion]

They can add a tip after the delivery too, so you don't necessarily know what you're getting. Just provide good service and don't worry about it.

[@jettbezos8074]

Yea try working under minimum wage before your Talk out of your ass

[@ToxicHorsePucky]

@@TruFrag If you don’t like the minimum amount (base pay plus base customer tip) then don’t accept it. I’ve gotten over 850 completed deliveries and I’ve maybe gotten an extra tip on 30-50 of my deliveries. Im certainly not expecting it, and I’m grateful for customers who tip more on top of what they already did. *I still average $20/hour* All orders I accept are orders I’m willing to accept based on my location and drive time. If I don’t like it I don’t accept it. It’s not a gamble. It’s not bullshit. If you don’t like it in your area then find another app or find different work.

[@martinwinther6013]

A tip should never form the foundation of anyones wages- It should ALWAYS be an additional recognition that youve done a particulary good job

[@LongDefiant]

Is that your cultural opinion?

[@TokinoSora10thApostle]

@@LongDefiant no that's global common sense. The mandatory tip is YOUR cultural opinion.

[@LongDefiant]

@@TokinoSora10thApostle appeal to authority? I'll give you a hint, the majority is always wrong.

[@TokinoSora10thApostle]

@@LongDefiantimagine why common sense is called COMMON. that's some tin hat logic. HuRr iM a AlpHa mAle WoLf I shAll TaKe the RoaDs UntRaveled

[@TokinoSora10thApostle]

@@LongDefiant A tip is Gratitution, a well earned money customarily given when you did an outstanding performance. Not a mandatory wage.

[@stefanc4520]

Tipping culture is nuts and the delivery apps have made it unbearable. The apps dont even make any money and have no responsibility for your food while charging INSANE fees. Stop using them.

[@acrobart2339]

the employer has made it impossible for the employee to be mad at them, they know what they're doing. You're option is to abstain from the employer, there is no negotiation, aka quit. I still don't agree with the driver's behavior, but that's the reality of the situation. Instacart, doordash, and uber eats are the slumlords of delivery business. The luxuries of California are not cheap and the high earners of this company want to get paid. You'd think economies of scale and the most amazing programmers ever that make stuff super efficient, would mean better savings and earnings, but no.

[@xavichuvy9047]

I totally agree with you. Bear in mind this is only an issue in the US. No other country has this fucked up tipping culture. If you're not happy with your salary you take it up with your employer.

[@mds_main]

Exactly, neven seen such toxic culture towards tipping here in Europe

[@LilFeralGangrel]

Canada has tipping too unfortunately.

[@ACB2K]

Tipping is not part of my culture.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Tips are always an extra here. No employee has ever asked for it even though I live in a country with low GDP/capita.

[@iamrobot396]

Here in India we dont tip unless we like the service. Act like this guy and you would get zero stars plus a harrassment complaint.

[@Ark_Strike]

I remember back during COVID I was working a sushi restaurant and we were doing delivery with Rappi and Pedidos Ya (latin american Doordash) and there was a section at checkout that allowed you to tip the restaurant workers but we weren't told about it, like 2 months later one of the cashiers handling orders snitches that the owner is pocketing all the tips and apparently it was a LOT of money, everybody immediately wanted to strike as soon as word got out and surprise surprise we were all getting our share of the tips and according to the manager we "misunderstood the situation" and "we never stole anything, we were going to give it after a certain time to ensure the hard workers were getting their share" but it seems they forgot to tell us that. I can't remember the exact number but I remember I got like 1 month and a half of my (shitty) wage back then with that bonus and everybody mentioned it was a lot of money too so divided by like 15 people at the time, they were practically stealing A LOT of money from us without a care in the world.

[@thomasduncan4074]

As a customer, I am under no obligation to explain my reasoning for not tipping. Period. And I used to wait tables, so I also understand the frustration. But still. I don’t owe anyone an explanation.

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

And those servers complaining about not getting what they feel entitled to still walk out with more tip cash in their pocket than the cooks make all night long sweating in the kitchen

[@Samuelnicole483]

I used to serve as well and have no problem tipping servers, bartenders, luxury services like hair and nails. But where I draw the line is takeout, self ordering and still asking for a tip, anything where you just hand me something like it’s ridiculous.

[@Mvrky0]

@@3nertia it's not the customers job to pay the workers who don't get a decent wage, the transaction is between the customer and the employer, it's the employers job to pay their staff. The entitlement comes from workers thinking they automatically *deserve* a tip

[@SomeOne-vf1rs]

@@3nertiaHow about we hold companies accountable? If everyone stopped tipping they’d be force to pay their workers minimum wage. You can always react to a company’s shitty treatment of their employees by not paying the company.

[@SomeOne-vf1rs]

@@3nertia You won’t fix things by arguing against people trying to fight symptoms. Unless you have some sort of solution that can instantly solve all of it that you’re not telling us.

[@SpartanJoe193]

This is exactly why I support raising the minimum wage. The fact that customers have to do the extra wages rather than the company is absolutely ridiculous.

[@JoeLewis14]

I agree. This tipping is getting out of hand. They want you to tip for everything, and they want you to tip before you get the service. I've stopped tipping because I have tipped good money only for my order to be completely wrong.

[@xwarmangle]

LMFAO! pick it up yourself then

[@BlackCrossCrusader]

@made4change Dashers won't pick up your order if you aren't willing to tip. Have fun with that I guess.

[@lawnfreak3543]

Then you would never ever get an order from me ever again if I had a private company or taxi company I would blacklist you

[@iroccata]

If tipping is, let's say, 15%, there should be a 15% increase in all wages and then make tipping illegal.

[@phlodel]

@@xwarmangle I do. If you don't like customers, try doing without them.

[@bluegiant13]

I don't think it is lame for the customer to hang up after a grown ass adult throws a temper tantrum in front of their door and agressively knocking on the door. The moment he did that all courtial conversation was nulified.

[@yovtobe]

It looks staged

[@coje7412]

The customer recorded cash tip not no tip, the driver was likely doing this job at a loss anticipating the tip making it worth it. They customer then refused to give a tip. Imagine if your boss just walked over one day and said, I don't really feel like paying you for 8 hours today, I'll pay you for 5.

[@srikar9]

Ask humbly for a tip. Never demand a tip like the customer owes you. It doesn' t matter how much he pays, take it and leave. This has to be the norm.

[@evans32]

I hate tipping, just charge me more for the base product so the employees get paid fairly and leave me out of deciding how much I should tip. Once a waitress literally ran after me from a restaurant when they relised I didn't leave a tip, I was on holiday in a different country and got a lecture about how it's a custom to leave a tip in the country I'm in because they don't get paid a fair hourly wage. She knew she was being screwed by her employer and yet was mad at me for not tipping, how illogical is that...

[@imonyourside8376]

I mean the Bible tells you that you are sinner and need a saviour, you don't have to believe it until you take your last breath.

[@wayfa13]

@@imonyourside8376 Ah yes, the book that tries to convince you (but only really works on children) that you are gravely/terminally ill and that only they have the cure, and that you'll be enslaved and abused for eternity if you don't listen... If you think it's good to believe something that has no proof, especially fairy tales or Santa Stories, that's on you lol.

[@snakejuce]

Had the same thing happen to me at a friggin barber. One that I went to all the time and ALWAYS tipped. It was literally ONE TIME that I didn't tip this vietnamese lady that always cuts my hair. She ran after me... I had to go across the street and pull out cash from an ATM. Super embarrassing. Safe to say, that was her last time having me as a customer.

[@snakejuce]

@@imonyourside8376 Wtf are you on about? How is this in anyway related to anything? Plus why would anyone care for what a corrupt man-made book filled with contradictions, interpolations, inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and over 400,000 scribal errors has to say? That book is a joke. At least if you're going to believe in something make sure that something is legit, not something that is a scam. Though nothing I say will change the fact that you're a mindless-drone. Most of you prefer to remain in your drunken stupor.

[@fearless6947]

i would stick a middle finger and walk off. She has no right to lecture you. If she continues, a whole bunch of swear words will come out. Next time take a picture of her and post on google reviews

[@PersonaN007Grata]

I read the Reddit post. Lots of drivers on Reddit seem to think that customers are assholes when they don’t tip and that they should go and pick up the food themselves. What the drivers fail to understand is that the restaurants (and nowadays the app companies) are offering a service to sweeten the deal so that customers will order food. Also, going through apps, the food prices magically cost more than direct from the restaurants. The only people scamming drivers are their employers.

[@KaeYoss]

People on reddit had entitled opinions with a complete lack of self-awareness or insight into anyone's situation than their own? How shocking.

[@Armoterra]

I think the customer did it right, if he didn’t want to tip. Dealing with confrontations with complete strangers for something like this not worth it. You don’t know where it will lead. Cut off the contact as soon as possible and move on with your life. If the worker is in this position, there is something wrong with him in the first place, and you can’t right all the wrongs of the world.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

It's class warfare. Make it so they're mad at the customer for their low wages instead of being mad at their employer for low wages. The way I've removed myself from this situation is by no longer patronizing businesses that take part in "tip culture". Not going there hurts the business. Going there and not tipping only hurts the employees.

[@saturnargentavis1901]

Even when you pick up your food, they ask for a tip there "Would you like to add a tip" or the machine asks you. NO, the prices are on the board I paid them, hidden fees are BS and just handing me a donut thats behind you doesnt mean you should get like 1-3 dollars. insane