Why The U.S. Won’t Do Away With Tipping

It’s no secret that we’re tipping like never before - everywhere and for everything. While it can certainly be frustrating, there’s a greater issue at hand: There are 5.5 million tipped workers in the United States and out of all 50 states, 43 have a lower minimum wage for these workers than for non-tipped hourly workers. Many states adhere to the federal minimum wage for tipped workers, which has remained at $2.13 for more than three decades. That means these workers rely on tips to make ends meet. In 2022, more than one million workers made the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour or less. And with tablets at every establishment and more workers outside of just tipped workers asking for tips, servers and bartenders are bearing the brunt. In the second quarter of 2023, tipping at full-service restaurants fell to the lowest level since the start of the pandemic. Watch the video above to learn more.
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1:50 Who relies on tips
5:47 Challenges
8:59 Hospitality included
14:22 The debate
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Why The U.S. Won’t Do Away With Tipping

[@mydogisbailey]

As a consumer, I believe that any restaurant that cannot afford to pay their employees proper minimum wage deserve to shut down. Plain and simple

[@Blessed2024.]

Everyone that owns a restaurant should then close. If you don’t own a restaurant business you dont understand the economics. Especially with what’s starting to happen in Crazy California. They are making restaurants increase thier minimum wage to $20. That’s like a 20-25% increase in everyone’s wages in that industry. So what do you think is gonna happen to you when you go to a restaurant, you’re gonna have to pay a lot more now if that spreads throughout the whole country. Your workplace is not going to increase your wages 20 to 25% overnight.. it’s called basic economics.

[@wiimooden]

Then they'll just pass the added costs on you, the consumer. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, that's just the reality of it. It's strange you don't see people talking about the downsides of getting rid of tipping in the comments, namely the few that earn a lot end up leaving for tipped positions.

[@edipires15]

@@wiimoodenif the newly raised prices are lower than what you used to pay with tips, it’s still a win for consumers. In other developed countries that’s exactly how it’s done and there are no problems

[@BobJones-nk6nl]

And if you have no skills, then you should stop whining about it and you do not deserve anything. Entitled much? Customers are not your employers. Go complain to the restaurant owner or learn some skills that can get you a better paying job.

[@hilaireb795]

absolute fact.

[@TheBlawdfire]

How does this video not once mention that the entire rest of the world manages to pay servers non-tipped wages with zero drama? The businessowners saying they "can't afford to pay" are either lying or never had a viable business model in the first place

[@sdlock83]

Exactly! It's the employers job to innovate their business practices.

[@goodfellabeats]

@@sdlock83 No innovation needed. Restaurant profit margins are usually around 5%. If they lower that to pay workers, then that percentage, you pay the difference. As long as you're cool with that, there's your solution.That, or replace with machines.

[@looooool_guy]

The servers are in on it too. They love the current system.

[@willywatkins-zh9xd]

because they pay more for there food......

[@beng4647]

All rich people lie.

[@AliColak]

I’ve worked as a server before. I feel tipping just encourages businesses to cut corners on salaries. Tips should be a bonus not a means of how you make your living

[@b.b.s7545]

The whole economy needs to change. So many factors. Some government officials make too much money. A lot of money goes to Hollywood, NBA, NFL, CEOS....

[@KingGovan91]

Hollywood, CEO, & sports players have nothing to do with these restaurants underpaying their employees.

[@sagefi1]

I'm sick of all the tipping. At Starbucks recently, asking for a tip before i even receive any service, then waiting forever while employees seem to be doing very little. Asking for a tip upon ordering takeout online when I'm picking it up at a drive through. A tip should be extra for great service. Not some kind of expectation. I dislike the serious increase in tipping expectation post-covid with corresponding drop in service.

[@PleiadianArcturian888]

You are an idiot if you tip in the first place.

[@enfreakez]

Quit getting Starbucks! It just coffee people, I have a machine at home that does that job.

[@landiserla3668]

Starbucks got rid of their annoying tipping prompts, at least in ones i been to. Many other restaurants still have it @@enfreakez

[@sagefi1]

@enfreakez I rarely go to Starbucks or any similar place, but I'm also not at home 24/7. Sometimes I'm actually out in the world, and sometimes that means meeting with people at various places that include coffee shops. Starbucks happens to be one of those places. I would never go there by myself unless i was traveling and wanted a coffee and that was the only reasonable option.

[@nelcomargaming6612]

We allowed it. If more people would stop going then this changes.

[@TheBourbonWrench]

Just came back from a trip to Italy. An item on the menu would say “$25.” I would get the check and it would be exactly $25. No taxes, no tip. I even tried to tip a bartender for bringing a bottle of wine to our rooftop patio and he downright refused. He told me “this is what I am paid to do.” Tipping is ridiculous. People should be paid for the work they do by their employers; not from the “kindness of customers hearts.” If for some reason you go above and beyond the line of duty serving food, then by all means leave a tip. But their livelihoods shouldn’t be based on some sort of expectation.

[@CR_3598]

What's the incentive for people to give good service if you get paid the same either way. I'm not saying that's my mentality but that is definitely the mentality of many people

[@edipires15]

@@CR_3598 In Europe, as a server you get pay to provide good service, that’s your job. If you don’t, you tarnish the reputation of the restaurant and you’ll likely get fired. Tipping is considered as a perk of the job, but it’s not mandatory and it’s not outlandish like in the US (except in a few locations)

[@abdullahakhtar9824]

@@CR_3598if people complain you can get reprimanded

[@prtdiva]

@@CR_3598your incentive to give good service is because it’s your JOB! What’s a teacher’s incentive to be a great teacher? It’s their JOB. It’s what you signed up to do. And yes, many servers will quit if we do away with tips. However, those jobs will be replaced by people who don’t mind making minimum wage. The thing about serving is it’s not a high skill job. With a little bit of training, most people can do it. That’s why the people who currently do it are easily replaced.

[@Ihatebs]

@@edipires15Exactly, you vote with your money and maybe online review. Tipping is ridiculous.

[@TC-cd5sm]

There is a popular ramen chain in Japan, Ichiran ramen, that has three restaurants in the NYC area. They do business exactly the way they do business in Japan: no tipping. They make it very clear as you enter the restaurant and at the checkout, they are NOT a tipping establishment. They adjust the pricing accordingly on the menu and when the bill is paid at the front, you pay what you owe, NO tip. This is how restaurants in the USA should handle it. No need to tip, just adjust your pricing.

[@TonyChanTurbo]

I just went to one of the NYC locations. Definitely appreciated the no tip policy. I will say the price is much higher for a bowl compared to the Japan locations though. But eating out in Japan seemed to be more affordable in general. As a country everyone will just have to get used to the higher sticker price for this strategy to work in the US though.

[@triaxe-mmb]

Part of the higher cost is probably because they like many of the good/great ramen places that import the flour and other ingredients from Japan so their base costs are just higher than in Japan

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

When I was in the states I had no idea initially. Later on I would give a tip, but I felt bad for the employees that I hadn't tipped. But thinking about it, it's really ludicrous that employees are dependent on the tips. And it fuels resentment. I live in the Netherlands, where tipping is done, but only as an extra if one can afford it and it is considered a compliment to the services of the waiter.. It is in no way expected.

[@SuperSaverPlays]

they must find it annoying that they even have to state that. In Japan, China, you will get a death stare if you are silly enough to tip at a restaurant. They are not beggars. They work for a living.

[@eduardochavacano]

Tipping just sound so irrational. Unfortunately, some idiots in the Philippines normalize that too. There is already a service charge or table charge. Some Filipinos tip when they get hair cuts and massages, so it becomes uncomfortable if you dont. But its not as common as in the US. 1 dollar tip is okay. But lots of people would tip higher.

[@sincityquinn]

They tell the worker…”No one is forcing you to work for 2.13.” But they don’t tell the business, “If you can’t provide a liveable or decent wage, no one is forcing you to keep that business open.”

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

They're not working for $2.13 because their pay with tips at the end of the day must meet the federal minimum wage at least.

[@kassdremusic]

@@chickenfishhybrid44not the customers problem!

[@dannylopez5515]

That’s bc that type of work used to be for high schoolers and ppl who were going to college bc it’s not skilled labor everyone can learn it if they are trained for a week and then after ppl would graduate they would quit and go onto a skilled job or ppl would go into trade jobs. But now everyone wants easy jobs were they don’t have to think to much but then complain about a low wage.

[@phanders6236]

@@dannylopez5515 that theory has been debunked time and time again everyone claiming there is "no skill" required for these types of jobs.

[@Jayjayb1]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 tip is not guaranteed some customers don’t rip.

[@Ratniko]

I’m from Eastern Europe and I was a waitress for a while. It’s wild that servers in America get upset when they don’t get tipped, and they almost demand it from the customer. Why aren’t they redirecting that anger towards the government or the owner of the restaurant?

[@eatass5627]

Because they would be fired or told to quit they have no leverage against the employer

[@AO-kr9kd]

​@@eatass5627 That's what they tell you. And how does a company make its money if they dont have employees? You think they will last? Employers need people, it's not one sided. You think labor laws, came from people who think like you do? Ppl need to stand up and speak out.

[@soberanisfam1323]

Bc they are cowards

[@bad_writer]

Because the government and the employer are not stupid pushovers like the customers

[@xavierwashington5408]

Thank you

[@pancake_george]

It’s crazy how they say “we can’t pay our workers because we don’t have money” and they’re just allowed to exist

[@m.stewart7208]

Nailed it. Exactly that!

[@mrpeepers541]

Have pancake, George.

[@youtubeuser1052]

Are you advocating mass murder? Pretty harsh to say people shouldn't be allowed to exist just because they don't have a lot of money.

[@albedo0point39]

You the customer end up paying the worker either way. You tip, or they increase the cost of the meal so they can raise wages.

[@cthomas025]

@@youtubeuser1052Terrible troll.

[@brianthesnail3815]

Its ridiculous for a restaurant to claim that they can afford to pay a waiter/waitress but then expect the customer to make up the wages with a tip. It still costs the customer the same as being honest and putting it on the bill to start with. Its happening more and more in the UK too.

[@eduardochavacano]

Tipping makes these workers no differenf from children begging on the streets.

[@Apollo440]

@@eduardochavacano but they can't say or show it, because it will "hurt the image of the restaurant".

[@helloimclaudio]

Exactly, the restaurant owner in this video said, ‘if we raise their wages, then we need to raise prices, resulting in customers tipping less’ Well that’s the point, customers will tip less now that you pay a livable wage. That restaurant owner is not saying the truth.

[@CarlosBunn]

This is why I never tip here in Brazil. I do't want this trend to come here, It'll only make services like uber eats and similar to undercut the workers in the long run

[@Whatsthe_411]

Exactly. Why should it be on the consumers to cover for your overhead. Tips are designed with incentives not a right.

[@martief1st]

I just returned from a trip to spain. We spent a week eating out for every meal and didn’t tip once, no tip prompts at every cashier, nothing…. It was glorious

[@arnolddavies6734]

Just like the rest of the world outside of America.

[@marcospark2803]

Because waiters in Spain earn a bigger salary

[@ccutehoney]

Yep a livable wage, having a house to live and social services that provide ( insurance, child care and others) can really make a difference

[@aaronoutdoors7556]

Kinda funny how restaurants raise thier prices but as soon as you ask them to pay a decent wage it’s “poor little unprofitable me, can’t afford it, your food will be super expensive”

[@westclifftooker]

I’m sick of feeling forced to tip. It is a thing of gratitude for good service not for people doing the bare minimum of a

[@eduardochavacano]

We dont even give money to beggars on the street. Its like you are being served by beggars and it is depressing.

[@genxx2724]

In restaurants with a “fast casual” format (order and pay at the counter, put a number on your table, and runners drop the food off) they ask you to tip on the screen, but staff often makes no effort to EARN the tip that was paid up-front. They stand around talking instead of refilling drinks or checking to see what else you need. They should stick with a tip jar. If customers actually received some service, they can leave a couple of dollars on the table.

[@theeladyj]

Right

[@hobomike6935]

@@eduardochavacano you ARE being served by beggars. most of the working class has been reduced to a state of need by years of cost-of-living inflation, excessive taxes, and stagnant wages. even working 2-3 jobs you can't provide for yourself anymore. most people I know that are under 30 are having to live out of their cars or live 5 to a room because they didn't get a chance to secure a place to live back in the 90s and 2000s when it was possible to get a decent housing price.

[@jamesm568]

How are you being forced to tip. You don't tip period. Nobody has a legal right to make you tip. If a waiter or waitress confronts you about a tip most restaurants have a policy that they should be fired.

[@dimplypaprika7693]

So if I understand this correctly, the sub minimum wage of $2.13 is allowed because it is understood that if the worker does not receive at least $5 in tips per hour then the business will supplement that amount. So basically, your tip actually does not benefit the worker as much as it benefits the business by saving that business from having to pay the worker the extra $5 per hour. Basically your tip is benefitting the business for the first $5/hr, then after that amount is reached, anything extra will benefit the workers? This sounds like a scam to me.

[@arthurzetes]

There’s a reason many people get tipped jobs. You make a lot more than minimum wage.

[@AsakuraAvan]

@@arthurzetes A LOT more

[@dynamichunter843]

Tip credit is literally a scam. We’re subsidizing business owners paying their own employees, not to mention auto gratuity, social shaming, and tipped workers also make more than they would elsewhere with their unskilled labor so they want to keep the system.

[@nnamdiobiako5773]

Bingo! The customers subsidize the restaurant

[@tallyp.7643]

I think you nailed it. It's ridiculous. And this business owner is super optimistic that people will tip well when they receive good service. No, a$$holes will do their best to pay as little as possible because they need to feel superior for a bit and even if the service was excellent, they're not gonna tip accordingly. They'll drop a dollar on the table and laugh at the look on the server's face as the server tries to keep their composure on seeing it (I've seen it a couple of times.) We've seen the pictures on social media of fake money left behind or receipts with no tip and rude messages written on them. People work better when they have that pressure valve loosened a bit, and in this case, employers paying a living wage to servers rather than depending on the whims of customers to do it for them would make it better for the company AND the staff. Tipping should've gone out the window ages ago.

[@MuziqueJunkee]

"If we pay the server more, then the cost of the meal with increase and the customer will probably tip less..." Yeah duh! Pay your workers and make pricing upfront and clear. Take the math.and guesswork out of the dining experience.

[@PodcastClips23969]

So you want to pay $15 for a hamburger? And you think waiters won’t still hassle you for tips, even if tipping “ goes away” ?

[@willaustin5751]

Customers are not responsible for paying workers. That is the Employer’s job !!

[@B3Band]

Turns out many of the employees themselves don't agree. The video stated that workers in no tip restaurants leave to go to traditional restaurants in order to receive tips. It has to be everybody, not just a few random restaurants. The businesses know they can save money and attract employees by making the customers pay the wages.

[@q_branch_]

I've made numerous business trips to Europe and I have even had extended (+6 month) stints for my job. It's pretty simple, the price you see is the price you pay - no tipping (you can, if you want to), no hospitality charges, and no guesses for tax. I can't understand why that's such a hard concept to grasp and implement in America.

[@simonmaduxx6777]

It's because American business wants to fleece you for every penny they can get. Rip off culture. Of course they know tipping sucks. But they can't help think about the millions and millions of pennies they are going to 'lose'

[@TheSmark666]

There is no "doing away" with tipping as it is a voluntary act. A person is only legally obligated to satisfy their debt in the full amount by paying their bill for a service rendered. However, nobody is required by any statute, bylaw, regulation, ordinance, rule, or regulation to engage in the act that is colloquially referred to as "tipping." I cannot understand why people do not comprehend such a simple thing. It's astonishing to think about just how slow-witted the American public generally is when it comes to the most mundane nonsense of everyday life. Makes me wonder how people are able to get themselves ready in the morning and then proceed to operate a half-ton metal box on four-wheels without perishing on the way into a meaningless office job.

[@phatmusic]

Greed

[@andrewe.7907]

And the quality of service is usually lower than the quality of service here. But I do feel like I'm making out as a consumer b/c I don't have to pay added tips which usually would make my bill higher here than it is on an equivalent meal over in Europe.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

@@TheSmark666it’s clear the only people that benefit from tipping the are those that don’t tip. Everyone else is tipping for them.

[@christiansantiagophotography]

Anyone who has done a fair bit of traveling to other countries will truly appreciate just how antiquated and silly tipping is. It’s a myth that eliminating it would cause drastic price increases. I actually spend less money eating higher quality meals in Europe than I do in America despite their staff making living wages.

[@christophergrissom484]

As a tipped employee I would quit without tips so your full of crap

[@christophergrissom484]

Nobody is gonna wait on you for free. It’s a service and In europe they make good money that’s why

[@christiansantiagophotography]

@@christophergrissom484 I’am not asking anyone to wait on me for free, dingus. I am saying do away with the practice and pay servers a living wage like they do successfully in the rest of the civilized world.

[@shaggymcdaniel3216]

@@christophergrissom484Yeah Dingus. You make no sense. Go to school.

[@tungvudang9414]

@@christophergrissom484 you missed the point so hard i thought you were in a parallel dimension

[@HotRodDad]

Sorry, if you’re adding a 20% “hospitality” charge, don’t expect a tip, too. THERE. WILL. BE. NO. TIP!

[@mikecrane2093]

If I see a "hospitality charge" on the bill I cross it off and recalculate the bill.

[@johnolin]

Funny enough, I stopped dining out as much as I used to because tipping has gotten out of control. And now, I most cases, the server comes to you with a tablet and hovers over you while you decide on your tip while makes the experience uncomfortable. It was a breath of fresh air traveling to Europe where the price you saw on the menu is the price you pay, no tip needed. And the servers didn’t rush you out like they do in the US.

[@goldcanyon340.]

Well said.

[@davidsucks922]

It's not even having to pay more for a tip that bothers me, it's the displeasure of trying to go out to eat and have a good time and suddenly being responsible for the waiter being able to make a living or not. That should fall on the employer, not me. As a result I avoid eating out, or try to find no-tip establishments. These places might make more money by foregoing tips and raising prices just because it might bring more people in the door

[@bdiamond545]

How pathetic of you 😂

[@mrpeepers541]

Cheap !

[@baldeagle4710]

food establishments have jacked up prices by 50% in the past couple of years so they can afford it

[@secretsquirrel6718]

I'll gladly go over to the kitchen and grab my food or a drink refill! 😂

[@SgtJoeSmith]

yeah i know. i want to have this local self employed magician come perform at my kids birthday party but the fact im responsible for paying his salary that day ruins it

[@Xcbru]

Once Starbucks started asking for a tip IN THE DRIVE THROUGH. I knew it had gone to far.

[@EldePHX]

Facts

[@tallyp.7643]

Seriously? Wow. I'd seen screens that have the tip window and figured it was just built into the software and not removed. When you're behind the counter and not bussing tables and checking on customers constantly, why get the tip? And those guys get paid better than I do on base wage!

[@rivaldesigns3642]

At least they ask you. My local Starbucks takes your card and automatically tips themselves. They get away with it by advertising it.

[@tallyp.7643]

@@rivaldesigns3642 Wow. Seems today was the perfect day to research and re-work my budget and spending with the cash-envelope system next year. I've grown to hate cards and shopping with one makes it so easy to accidentally overspend with fees or missed transactions. Voluntold tipping? No thanks.

[@Ginger30161]

Agreed, and many of the baristas were the ones protesting for an increase in minimum wage.

[@mikegarrens5286]

Tipping needs to stop and the employer needs to pay the workers more. If you insist on paying the difference for the employee yourself then that's your problem.

[@InvincibleAkuma]

The problem is not only with the employers. Those servers know they make more with tips than from the minimum wage. Who wants to work for minimum wage with no other addition?

[@commentorsilensor3734]

​@InvincibleAkuma then servers got to take risks for some customers not paying tips. That used to be the case. Servers got big tips from some generous customers, get almost zero from some. Tip is supposed to be bonuses, but owners n servers make tips mandatory.

[@B3Band]

Turns out many of the employees themselves don't agree. The video stated that workers in no tip restaurants leave to go to traditional restaurants in order to receive tips. It has to be everybody, not just a few random restaurants. The businesses know they can save money and attract employees by making the customers pay the wages.

[@lethercreate]

Why has this industry relied on the consumer to pay waitstaff. It’s ridiculous. People should be paid for their work.

[@InvincibleAkuma]

Do you think servers prefer tips from customers or minimum wage with no tips? The answer was mentioned in the video.

[@ericbergstrom1]

To the owner: if you are charging 12-15$ a plate and still can’t pay more than 2.50, something wrong with that business model

[@johndoe-wv3nu]

$12-$15? That's McDonald's money!

[@bills.1390]

@@johndoe-wv3nu : Mexican food is cheaper to make than McDonald's.

[@johndoe-wv3nu]

@bills.1390 actually most food is cheaper to make at home than McDonald's. I have chili and pulled pork in my fridge. Both meals are less than $1 a serving. I bake bread, I shop sales. I frequently utilize my freezer. I feed two for around $300/mo. It was $200 but prices have increased and I'm waiting for the prices to stabilize to have a concrete number. We eat all our meals, drinks and snacks at home.

[@KingSally92]

@@bills.1390fuck no, im from the Bay area and a freaking burrito average price is $16 and canned sodas around $3. I can afford but imagine folks that cant.

[@LazyTeeRex]

That sucks but I still don't tip unless I know they went the distance. Otherwise, you get a "thank you" with a smile 👌🏼

[@ricnyc2759]

Tipping is out of control. I like to help people and treat them well, but I think there must be a limit.

[@buckiemohawk3643]

you should tip for counter service at mcdonalds or an eatery

[@jonathanrouse]

I set a tip allowance and after that no one else gets tipped.

[@Brayness]

There is a limit; you choose how much to tip lol

[@Slotten68]

I think what everyone is talking about is being asked to tip at a self serve coffee shop for being handed an empty cup in the same manner as a full service restaurant

[@mrpeepers541]

Get ready for much higher restaurant prices and indifferent service.

[@diegosouza791]

How generous those 2 guys that have opened a restaurant, they didn't want to participate in something that backs to "slavery time", so they decided to charge 20% more their customers to pay their "team" or "collaborators" as they say nowadays. What noble gesture.

[@jealousmuch888]

Lol

[@B3Band]

"We're a family" When you hear an employer say that, RUN

[@kevine6082]

I will tip you if you give me extra good service but if all you’re gonna do is drop off my food and pour my drink, then as far as I’m concerned, you’re just doing your job

[@alipetuniashow]

Exactly

[@BernhardWelzel]

It is disgusting to hear the argument "it is hard to change" when all of the developed world already has a solution: Pay a living wage and make tips optional. Also establish an European style of health insurance when you are seriously about ending slavery in the US. It is not rocket science.

[@vibe_tube3634]

Trust me rocket science is easier

[@BobJones-nk6nl]

if everyone gets a livable wage (whatever your definition is) regardless of his/her skill set, then there would be no need to go to college or to learn any skills at all. It's not rocket science at all.

[@darinherrick9224]

​@@BobJones-nk6nl Except all the reasons why rich people go to college. 1. Prestige. 2. Complex career. 3. To benefit others. 4. To rise in rank. 5. Social status. 6. Education for education's sake. 7. Job requirements for job they actually want to do. 8. Curiousity. 9. Increased income above the minimum. If you hadn't already thought about this...uhh...how old are you?

[@johnjones3813]

And people wonder how we could have possibly had slavery in this country.

[@BernhardWelzel]

@@BobJones-nk6nl I am truly sorry, but this is a very toxic belief. I agree that people should not need to go to college to learn any skills. People want to learn, in order to improve their lives and to be able to care and serve others. So you perfectly summarised what is so deeply wrong and toxic about american culture and how at the root society it is designed to be a system of slavery. Force people to work and consume as much as possible - in order to ensure that they stay in poverty. I understand that "livable wage" would improve the living conditions of many many people in the country, but it would not take away the incentive to work - just getting by might be enough for a minority in society, but most people want to have a better life for themselves and their families.

[@stansanders6959]

Other countries don’t require tips and somehow they manage to pay their staff. The psychological twist that is used is “we will have to increase our prices” but that’s what a tip does. It makes the customer pay more or feel uncomfortable.

[@LongThanh-ew4tf]

They make $10 to $30 in many countries, not $200 to $300

[@lkjkhfggd]

There is no "it makes the customer pay more" with tipping. If you pay the standard %, then you pay the exact same amount in either scenario. At the tipping place you pay $20 and a $4 tip. At the no tipping place you pay $24 and no tip (higher price with no tip). It's the exact same thing so who cares.

[@JesusCliment]

​@@lkjkhfggd Obviously we do care, otherwise we would not be having this conversation. It is a struggle, sometimes, when we have to decide how much is worth the service we received. And it is even a bigger struggle when the service was not good, and we still have to pay for the living wage of the person. If a person is providing a bad service, it should be a question to be resolved between the person and the manager, not the person and the tipping person. And we also care that prices have gone up, and ALSO tipping percentage has gone up. 35%? WTAF? Also, tourists care. They are sometimes oblivious about the tipping culture. As a first time tourist in NYC, a waiter followed me on the street because my 10% tip was not enough. What a show.

[@lkjkhfggd]

@@JesusCliment how about you stop thinking about it so much. If the service was bad, tip nothing. If service was meh, tip 15%, if it was average, tip 20%, if you rich and want to, tip more. There you go, 3(4) options. You don't need to concern yourself with their "living wages". If they aren't making enough, then they can figure out what changes they need to make to fix it. Not your problem.

[@JesusCliment]

@@lkjkhfggd what about I just pay the frickin price that is written in the menu and do not have to bother with 10, 15, or 20%?

[@craigime]

at this point it's not tipping anymore... they're just guilting you into giving them more money

[@leahparker9033]

Restaurant owner says he would have to raise prices to pay his employees a decent wage? I would rather pay a set price than have to pay a tip. I believe there are a lot of people that would agree with me.

[@B3Band]

Turns out many of the employees themselves don't agree. The video stated that workers in no tip restaurants leave to go to traditional restaurants in order to receive tips. It has to be everybody, not just a few random restaurants. The businesses know they can save money and attract employees by making the customers pay the wages.

[@leahparker9033]

@@B3Band I am throwing up my hands and just not eating out at all anymore. Homemade is cheaper and better for me anyway.

[@Jack31063]

Seems like the entire world has figured out a no-tipping system, except for the US. Dear US citizens, please travel abroad and you will see how tipping is absolutely not required anywhere, and nobody will look down on you for not tipping. And the audacity of that restaurant owner to put it on the customer to provide a living wage for his employees is mind-blowing. Pay your workers a living wage, the rest of the world has figured it out

[@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672]

the us trying to be unique but fail miserably in many ways, farenheit, measuring things with feet, month day year calendar, taxes not shown in prices

[@mmoarchives2542]

you kidding, you think tipping is required in the us?

[@yeetian2774]

Except for the Us and…..Canada

[@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672]

@@mmoarchives2542 it kinda is, i know people who got yelled at by the owner of a restaurant for not tipping

[@marklouis1890]

Absolutely

[@nagelixin]

Tipping is something we do not do in Australia. The minimum wage here is $23.23 per hour. Some restaurants here have a tipping option the majority of us refuse. Pay your staff well.

[@nonayabusiness6170]

Trust me, I wish we could do that here as well, but that would bust the restaurant's menu prices.

[@paramveerdhoot6415]

why would it do that when it does not do that anywhere else in the world?@@nonayabusiness6170

[@RoundBaguette]

Lies@@nonayabusiness6170

[@ashleighsparkle8810]

Mind your own business. Did your government let you out of your homes yet?

[@sarahyu3065]

I think the overwhelming majority of consumers in America would not mind restaurant prices going up if it meant no longer having to tip. We are already paying on average about 20% (plus 3% and other fees for healthcare for the workers in California) on top of listed prices in restaurants. Often times that can be on top of sales tax too. The “you pay lower prices because of the lower hourly wage” statement is a bit of a myth if you think about it that way. Also, as someone who has traveled quite a bit, I can’t help but notice that food prices at restaurants is not THAT much more at many restaurants abroad, yet they pay their waiters more than we pay the waiters here in America I’ve seen many waiters in America on the other hand complain that they make more than $23.23 an hour in tips, so I am unsure how many waiters would give up the current system for a set wage even if, in my opinion, $23.23 is more than fair for a waiter/waitress wage.

[@thaoeverytime]

I used to see 8 10 or 12 percent tip. At most was 18%. Now it's 18-30% tip. I don't even go out to eat anymore. I would rather cook or go to restaurant that doesn't require insane tipping.

[@BryanEnsign]

You dont "have to pass that off to the customer" other business don't expect the customer to pay the employees wage. If you cant pay your employees you don't get to be in business. As he said, his business shouldn't be functional and needs to close. Come up with another way to make money. He is part of the problem.

[@user-sf5bt8eb4y]

why does the U.S do things so differently? for the rest of the world, the prices in the menu are exactly what you pay(all inclusive) and no tip is required(unless you really want to) There are even some countries whereby tipping is considered rude and an insult

[@handleyobusiness]

US residents should mind their own business and only worry about what’s going on over here than in some other foreign country. That’s our problem now

[@tiamystic]

Idk man…

[@sotonin]

It's because slave labor is fine in the US. they do not actually care about their employees it's just like cattle. Unless a law is made raising that $ it will never change companies will try to weasel out of paying a living wage until they are forced to do it.

[@hgdvl8811]

Maybe corporate lobbyists had something to do with IRS Laws on tipped employees. Maybe to be able to pay less wages and government to get more tax money.

[@Aoskar95]

Runaway capitalism. Yes, the US is the largest economy, but it has come at the price of living standards

[@thetowerfantasymusic]

Tipping just means that your boss isn't paying your salary and you rely on strangers to pay it. If you can't afford to pay your works, CLOSE UP! You shouldn't be in business !!!!! In Europe the company pays your salary, 14 times per year (12 + Christmas + Vacations)

[@AnimeBeefRandoms]

Your customers are always paying for your salary. What are you talking about?

[@jcheng1981]

I'm willing to pay more if that part goes into wages

[@bherber]

Good workers will get a 25% tip... Also a lot of these workers still get way more than they would at home in Latin American than in the United States. Wake up

[@John_C149]

You’re absolutely right! Restaurants should raise their prices high enough to cover you non-tipping morons. Either way you’ll still pay.

[@jamesschoi87]

It is always the customers paying for your salary lol

[@xpres145]

Everything is so expensive now a days, I can’t afford tiping.

[@hiimjustin8826]

Living in Japan I spent less on eating out and eating out wasn't as stressful because you knew how much you were spending as you were spending it. Coming back to the U.S. tipping was one of the things I dreaded the most.

[@ImAlxxy]

Just play up a foreign accent and don't tip. No one will confront you besides maybe people you dine with

[@hiimjustin8826]

@@ImAlxxy haha great tips thanks :)

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

If eating out is "stressful" because of tipping you have social anxiety.

[@hiimjustin8826]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 it's a money thing I said that already

[@laurenelizabeth2505]

So what if she has social anxiety? What is your Point??!!@@chickenfishhybrid44

[@Maclyn88]

I went to a restaurant/brewery JUST to grab a 6 pack and they charged me the automatic 20% service fee and then asked what percent I wanted to tip‼️ All I did was grab a 6 pack! I thought it was ridiculous enough I got charged the service fee then almost felt insulted when a tip was basically requested 🙄

[@abuhaile6517]

They also want tips in coffee shops and carry out restaurants .

[@Maclyn88]

@@abuhaile6517 they forgot tips are for full service and Not just a simple transaction!

[@djm2189]

Insane! I'd expressly have them remove it and if not 1 star review

[@istvankovacs4154]

I probably would have told them that: "Nah, I changed my mind. I don't want this 6 pack anymore. Bye."

[@iankmak]

You will probably hate the restaurant that charges you 20% automatically and pay their workers well. It's a tough issue. The best solution is just have those workers negotiate something better or quit.

[@gustavlantz]

As a European the whole concept of tips being a crucial part of workers ability to make a living is so confusing. And when I hear anyone saying "Its complicated raising wages and removing the tips" sounds just absurd. This is normal ANYWHERE ELSE. If you run a business; PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES. I pay for a product/service which should include your total costs and profit INCLUDING LABOR COSTS. Its really not very complicated at all.

[@ashleighsparkle8810]

It’s not your business for one. And for 2 as a server myself, I like the system because I make 3 times what your servers do. I also like it as a consumer myself because our food is cheaper, larger portions, and service is light years better.

[@gustavlantz]

@@ashleighsparkle8810 I have an opinion on the topic, I'm not saying this is what the US has to do. Simply stating the fact that US is the only country with this system which other countries see as odd. And while you can do whatever you like, it still does not negate the fact that is defies any normal business logic. And yes, you are right, US has larger portions than any other countries. You dont need these huge portions though. And yes its also cheaper. But for your sake; Lets not compare what US produced food is made of vs other countries. And as for service level, I think that is for one; highly depending on where and what to compare to and what one would define as service.

[@joey-pn3xe]

People in the USA are a strange bunch!

[@redwolfexr]

The issue is servers tend to make a lot more than MW in tips, you notice the lady said she could make $300 a day? So the "good" servers will quit and go to where they make tips if you try to force them to "give up" the tips. People are USED to tipping, so they will STILL tip even if the wages are increased. (you have to FORCE them NOT to tip and many Americans resent being told what to do) "headwinds" is what they called it.... So if you try to change the world on your own you lose your good employees, increase prices over competitors, and have upset customers. I go to a Australian owned coffee shop, for a long time they just didn't have a tipping window on their payment screen and didn't have a tip jar. They finally gave in to customers who WANTED to tip. This is a place that brings your coffee to the table and also cleans the table when you leave. (anyone in Dallas knows the chain I am talking about -LDU) When they had one place they held firm, but then expanded to multiple locations.

[@moimtz]

@@ashleighsparkle8810 Highly doubt you make 3 times as much.

[@t2terminator507]

The tips come from the heart. If restaurant owners force customers to tip, or raise the food price too much, then they may as well close the restaurant. I used to eat out 3-4 times a week, now I rarely go to restaurants as I cook at home, or buy Costco foods, or visit fast food places.

[@mattwoodford1820]

The whole tipping thing in the US just reeks of putting emotional pressure on your customers to cover your staff wages. it's not the customer being mean when they don't tip, it's the employer being mean not paying their staff enough. Feeling bad for not tipping, even when the service/food is poor, is a sign of having been brainwashed. We tip in the UK, but it's not a case of a default percentage added to every bill, if we feel like tipping, we do. If we don't then we don't but usually good food and service leads to a tip and poor food/service does not. Should be the same in the US but I bet there's places with terrible service and terrible food where they feel like the customer has done them an injustice if they don't tip. What's the point of tipping if it's not up to you to decide whether to tip and how much. It is supposed to be a reward for good service/food, not just a given!

[@TaiwanKC]

I used to live in the US for 4 years, and the tipping was a nightmare for me and always had this anxiety before end of each meal, it was so bad that I avoid eating in the restaurants whenever I could, because I was no longer enjoying the food in any restaurants.

[@ricochetx]

I'm sorry to hear this was your experience. On a personal level for me, it's never really a question or cause of anxiety. If I'm at a full service, sit-down restaurant, the tip is nearly always 20%. Simple calculation at the end.

[@johnjones3813]

What are you talking about? Nervous?

[@TaiwanKC]

Thanks for all these feedback, just to clarify it, when I eat in a restaurant in my country (Taiwan), I normally won’t let a waiter/waitress attitude affect my mood. When I was in an American restaurant,I will start to think I need to evaluate their performance and keep thinking are they doing good or bad? Should I tip more or can I tip less? It might just me but this thought really took my focus out of the food and just keep worrying about what should I tip at the end of the meal.

[@mex5341]

@@TaiwanKC that's true

[@DS-nv2ni]

Just don't tip, is stupid, I never did when I went for vacation, and nobody complained, or if they did, I've never noticed.

[@Slotten68]

You know what prevents people from getting an extra drink at dinner or entertaining a dessert? The extra 20 bucks you need to tip at the end. People would willingly spend more money at a restaurant if they didnt have tons of hidden guilt charges and the restaurant could afford to pay their workers

[@makatron]

You really have to tip, it's completely optional. It feels awesome.

[@heychrisfox]

@@makatron Homie, your response was so drunk I don't even think you meant to say what you meant to say.

[@makatron]

@@heychrisfox damn now that I I re read that, sounds awful 🤣

[@Slotten68]

@makatron Yeah bro. I wasn't sure either 🤔

[@makatron]

@@Slotten68 I decided to own my mistake and leave it unedited, just so people know better and at least have some coffee before commenting on KZbin. 🤣

[@z.z.1876]

As a European it’s really interesting for me to watch these restaurant owners analyzing that it is impossible to give even the normal minimum wage to their workers… I’m not sure why it works then in so many countries around the world. Obligatory service fees in restaurants work in Europe as well (usually around 10-12% - the same amount as we tip as a rule of thumb for services instead of the 20% of the US). I believe in the fact that you can’t “export” every system, because of the cultural differences, but I think paying people the minimum wage could be done based on existing examples.

[@hoponspot]

I went to the “one fair wage” website and they ask for donations!! ….. they want me to tip them to fight against tipping? WTH?

[@deucefly1062]

I don't have a problem with tipping when I go into a restaurant, sit down and eat. My problem is being forced or strongly encouraged to tip when I do takeout.

[@hymmj147]

Agreed. It's nonsensical to tip when I've walked/driven to the restaurant and I haven't even tasted the food yet.

[@mikeshafer]

I'm suffering from tip exhaustion now. I don't even want to go to out to get a coffee anymore because they are always asking for tips. We need to end tipping in the US. We can do better.

[@Maclyn88]

For real 🙄 I've stopped just grabbing a bottled beer at a bar because you're expected to tip because it's a bar, but it's more like a transaction than a service when all you did was literally hand me a beer outta a fridge that's right behind you 😐

[@Trini190]

Forreal like Starbucks its crazy

[@Trini190]

And the fact starbucks wants you to tip before your coffee is even made is crazy to me

[@MateoMan1]

That's the great thing about they tipping system. You have a choice. The poor folk can tip a lower percentage and those can afford it will pay higher. We pay either way. If there are no tips then the food is more expensive. But I do agree I am not giving some fastfood worker a tip for handing me my food.

[@COURTNEYVCK]

I don’t understand the tipping at Starbucks and other places where you go in to pick up your own food. I have no problem tipping at a sit down restaurant tho.

[@cyrilkarpenko691]

"Pre-Tax hospitality charge" is actually the worst. Just increase your prices, don't make it hard for everyone - I don't care how you pay your stuff, just pay them fairly. Also, 10% of the revenue as a salary for each founder - is quite a lot, tbh.

[@elizabethr4107]

Ty! Exactly!

[@historyking9984]

One huge change is the electronic tip ask at every place put in place during Covid. At first people tipped more than before because these were essential workers. Other buisnesses saw this and started adding the electronic tip option even at places that usually didn’t have tipping before . This really annoyed people seeing it everywhere and with Covid on the downturn and less essential workers it became overwhelming with people being asked to tip everywhere not just restaurants

[@slimdude2011]

If electronic gratuity is offered, the customer has the option to decline. It's not mandated nor is imposed upon the customer.

[@bobprice9541]

@@slimdude2011 Holding out your hand is a demand for a tip. The screens is corporate greed at its worst. Not all of them have an easily visible option to not tip.

[@beemo9]

@@slimdude2011 Tips in restaurants aren't "mandated or imposed" too. More & more businesses are taking advantage of peoples' niceness to underpay their staff.

[@buckeyedav1]

I ordered a item online recently and was surprised to see they ask if I wanted to tip their Team Workers..What? I said No. I never tip on the computer things I always leave money at the table and over the suggested tipping amount even if I have a bad server.. we don't know what is going on behind the scenes at a restaurant that is delaying our food, delaying our waitress and sometimes its a waitress just learning so we give them Grace and at least tip what is expected. My sister has been a waitress her whole life and she is a Star, makes more tips than any of her co workers because she is always paying attention to the needs of her customers. Anna In Ohio

[@NHJDT]

Ive been in Korea for two months and its so refreshing eating out. The price of the meal is all that is charged. No more buying a pretzel and them expecting a tip. No more credit card payment screens with the cashier staring at me and asking me to check a box on the percentage tip i want to pay. Meals cost 40-60% of what they cost in the US and also no tip

[@jml9550]

Well the cashier can stare all they want, they are not getting a tip in take out. If you want a better pay job, get a better pay job somewhere else.

[@Mwoods2272]

Actually that's everywhere in the world except North America.

[@aerodynamicist4]

Honestly the irony here is that Asian Americans (In the U.S.) seem to be the absolute most offended that you don't leave a tip

[@jml9550]

@@aerodynamicist4 I live in a heavy Asian populated area, SF Bay Area and I am Asian. Most of them don’t expect a tip on take out. On dine in I tip mostly 15% and never have any issue.

[@LucasDimoveo]

@@jml9550this is a brutal way to think about the world. Very few would work a job like that if there were other options, and even then, if everyone could find some other employment at the same time, you would be left having to make your own food and drinks at home

[@Corsuwey]

The country I live in, tipping is rude. It means that the owner doesn't treat their workers well.

[@pacsoulpavon9649]

I’ve been doing carpet cleaning since 2015 and very rarely have I received tips . We never asked for tips or anything but it sure does feel good when we get a tip for our service. We literally go into your home and take care of it and fully detail the carpets and let me tell you I NEVER get mad if I don’t get a tip , as long as the customer is happy and calls us back for more work we are happy . I don’t know why is the consumers have to face backlash for tipping when the business owners should already be paying the employees a fair wage .

[@dademurphey1753]

What sucks in my opinion is when I spend 120 dollars at smashing crab and I’m expected to pay around 30 bucks for tip when the server literally just went to the kitchen and brought me my food. But if I go eat at a Mexican restaurant and my total comes out to 30 dollars and only have to tip about 6 bucks when the server did basically the same exact thing as the server at smashin crab. That’s the stuff I struggle with when eating out. I’m already paying over a hundred dollars so why should I have to tip so much just because the food costs more but the service is exactly the same as a way cheaper meal.

[@nahor88]

They didn't even mention one of the worse dimensions of tipping; PEER-PRESSURE. Tipping is so ingrained into American culture, that your peers will judge you if they catch you leaving a low tip. On more than one occasion, I've gotten food with a random group of peers/friends, and had someone peek at my tab and say "yo only 15%?". 😖

[@jordanconnor1223]

As you say now imagine the case if the expense place is busy and the small business is dead, I would rather tip 30 small business and 6 busy to make up for others 😂

[@mrshan1]

Exactly!!!!

[@hansolo6827]

I tip by how much work the server did. And how nice they were. That $120 smashing crab example, $10 MAXXX

[@aliciabuchanan7080]

Because the government assumes they are getting 15 percent on every order so if you only tip 6 on a 130 worth of food that server has to pay to serve you. The system is broken. Taxes should be based on actual tips and not assumed ones.

[@samjeffs7396]

" we can't afford to pay a higher hourly wage, if we did we would have to pass that onto the customer and pay more" Is it just me, or is this the exact same as expecting the customers to pay the wages of the staff via a tip.

[@Apollo440]

it is. And "If the client doesn't pay the servers minimum wage (and we don't either) - we don't have to care and we don't".

[@jazzyj6640]

Yup.

[@brucel4378]

That's just a lame excuse.

[@Milther2]

It is, but one is giving the customer the option (ie not tipping). If the food costs more, they might not come back, and that would overall be bad for the business Tricky situation all around

[@Apollo440]

@@Milther2 consider this - let the government handle all payments to their people. And the company pay all what's due through taxes.

[@TVluver2]

I live in California where tipped workers make the same minimum wage as other workers, which is currently around $16 per hour. Despite making a standard minimum wage, customers are still expected to tip at least 15%, and increasingly, are looked down upon if they don't tip 20% to 25%. It's ridiculous! I've stopped doing it. I now tip a flat rate of $2 per person in my party. I typically dine in a party of 4, so that's an extra $8.00 for about an hour's worth of work for just my party's table alone. Assume a waiter serves 3 tables in an hour and gets $8 in tips on each table. Added to the minimum wage of $16, that waiter is now making $40 per hour and that is a conservative estimate since most people still tip 15% to 25%, which will be more than $8 on most tabs. Even if that waiter has to tip out other employees, he will be left with a fair wage.

[@julietmoore166]

Funny they say they would have to raise prices as a drawback. I’m already paying their wage with my tips. Now it can be just included in the price of food already.

[@jianleichen7750]

Tipping problem is not just the restaurant industry, it's EVERYWHERE! I went to a bakery last week, it is a self served bakery, I grabbed 30$ worth of pastries and head to checkout. the cashier spend 1 mins scanning all my items and hand me a giant tablet suggesting 15-25% tip, there is a small icon said edit tip, I have to click it, and the default amount is not 0! I'm sure the cashier is a full waged worker! The fact that everywhere else is so greedy on getting tips and made me wanting to revert back to using cash! If using case saves me from spending 6$ on buying 30$ bread, then why not! The restaurant industry might have a problem with tipping since other full waged workers are just getting as much tip!

[@Maclyn88]

Yea they seem to be forgetting that tipping for is actual service, not a simple transaction 🙄

[@sjferguson]

I never tip in these situations. Ever. Nope.

[@ebell1476]

If you can’t run a business and pay a living wage you don’t have a viable business plan plain and simple. The restaurant industry shouldn’t be exempt from this. Pay your workers or find another way to make your money without exploiting people financially.

[@NoobTrader-yc2td]

Plain and simple, please show us how it's done

[@ashishpatel350]

usually means the employee is worthless.

[@gtn9]

They'll soon run out of business, Forget Tips the Basic Wage would become a distinct dream..

[@kineticstar]

​@NoobTrader-yc2td it's easy to increase the price of food with a plain notice to customers that the increase is due to giving a living wage to your employees. This is how it works everywhere else in the world. And don't @ me like I'm from someone who doesn't know business or as a foreigner. I own a business here in Texas where I have to pay 100 people a wage. I even used my own money and didn't take the covid loans because I thought other people needed it more. I slept in my office and sold off alot of stuff I didn't need so I could make sure my workers kids were not affected. Don't throw shade when you are not trying to adjust or try.

[@Dr.Kananga]

Restaurants answer is:"If you can't afford to eat out and tip, then don't bother" the most counterproductive reaction ever.

[@CarlWinslowFM]

A couple of bucks extra is no problem but when its demanded and on the receipt is starts at 15 all the way up to 30 percent is INSANE

[@B3Band]

Percentages don't even make sense. The waiter just writes words on a pad and talk to you. Who cares if I ordered a $10 burger or a $50 steak? Why does he get more money because the thing he wrote down happens to cost more?

[@anjalE30]

All these piece if crap greedy companies want us to pay their employees! If youre not a full service waitress/waiter, door dasher etc, I'm NOT TIPPING! Pay your employees !!!

[@michaelbarrett9107]

I never had a huge issue with tipping restaurant workers. I have an issue tipping everyone and their mother. Why do I have to tip at the airport after picking up my own sandwich from the shelf? Why do I have to tip at an automated car wash in which I vacuum and detail the rest of the car after? Why do I have to tip at a Buffett where I serve myself? What’s next? Tip the self-checkout at Walmart. I’m share the execs and shareholders love the blindness that some people have when it comes to this.

[@snacking5908]

Tipping allows companies to not pay their employees a fair wage while charging consumers extra. The prices would be exactly the same without tipping. I do not want to hear a ceo justify why the minimum wage shouldn’t be increased. When people make more, people spend more. Business will increase

[@buckiemohawk3643]

not true at all

[@kazithecanecorso2724]

They all got raises. They get paid 15 dollars or more look it up. No more tips

[@SuperBotcreator]

​@@buckiemohawk3643 A business that cannot pay its employees at LEAST the minimum wage is a FAILING business. Is that someone you know? Then let them know.

[@makatron]

​@@SuperBotcreatoryeah so the costumer it's keeping their failed food business open, nah I quit tipping long ago.

[@yeleedkram]

I am a Chef, living and working in Saskatchewan, Canada. Servers and every other worker gets minimum wages, which is now $14 an hour. Busy or quiet, you still get paid. A question: How can the so called greatest country in the world be so backwards when it comes to tipped wages? Racist or what? Americans have been fed a load of horse$hit as far as life in Canada goes. Healthcare for all is the only way to go, I spend no time worrying about how to pay hospital bills because my taxes pay for that. Can you imagine? Try. It's awesome here in the Great White North, eh?

[@preciouswhite4422]

All Companies should be required to pay minimum wage, if they can't afford it simply CLOSE. I do not understand how restaurants have gotten away with this. The government has failed working class citizens. I commend the owners of L'Oca d'Oro for challenging the stupid status quo and paying their employees. I wish I lived in Texas to support the restaurants. All Texans support them!

[@alexangel9374]

After traveling last week through france,germany and Switzerland and not having to tip that felt great… price difference between these countries wasn’t big. So if they really want to pay a livable wage in the US they can do that… the problem is that the restaurant industry does not want to do that. Im tired of the pathetic excuse that they dont want to pass the cost to the customers….

[@enticingmay435]

Exactly. It’s all just excuses, prices have gone up like crazy these past few years which has resulted in record profits, but these business owners can’t pay their employees a living wage? And I think that goes towards everything else here in America. Most politicians and their supporters saying that taxes will go up if we give everyone free healthcare and college….as if we already aren’t being taxed to death without getting anything back from the government.

[@kjp8196]

Exactly this. When you travel a lot you see the food prices are actually cheaper than US and they are able to pay their servers fair amount with 0 reliance on tips. I was flabbergasted when I was in Switzerland and that felt cheap since there’s no added tip/tax on top of the listed food price.

[@shaclo1512]

but you should tip 10% in those countries.

[@triadwarfare]

​​@@shaclo1512no you should not. They don't need it. You can tip if they did a great job. But no one should be forced to do it or feel guilty if you don't leave a tip.

[@mlw9195]

@@shaclo1512no you shouldn’t 😂. They literally don’t expect a tip they’ll take it but it’s already included in the bill

[@BLUNTZnBEATZ97]

i think its funny how more businesses are forcing you to tip and yet the service isnt getting any better....

[@sojournbythomsevilla]

The tipping system is ridiculous! It’s like being held up every time you dine out. Employers should establish a minimum wage tips included state-wide!!!!

[@dmitriyobidin6049]

The fact that there is "tipped workers" category on a federal level is absurd... If your business only exists on random people generosity - it's not a business, it's a charity.

[@quippy8402]

Employers should just pay for proper wage. The restaurant should list and charge exactly how much a customer should be paying at the end, with proper amount of service charges and tax included in the list prices. Only in US, wages for restaurant workers have become such an externality and burden for patrons.

[@dimmmmmmmm]

agree, but then no one would pay $28 for a grilled cheese. store closes. doom loop engages. downtown blight takes off. this is all because the cost of living is too high. fix that and tipping doesn't have to be a thing anymore.

[@kat.8730]

Hm it seems to work in other parts of the world like Europe

[@DrugDealer541]

Yeah, bring back tipping only being expected for exceptional and great work. Not for EVERY interaction.

[@TheSmark666]

There is no "doing away" with tipping as it is a voluntary act. A person is only legally obligated to satisfy their debt in the full amount by paying their bill for a service rendered. However, nobody is required by any statute, bylaw, regulation, ordinance, rule, or regulation to engage in the act that is colloquially referred to as "tipping." I cannot understand why people do not comprehend such a simple thing. It's astonishing to think about just how slow-witted the American public generally is when it comes to the most mundane nonsense of everyday life. Makes me wonder how people are able to get themselves ready in the morning and then proceed to operate a half-ton metal box on four-wheels without perishing on the way into a meaningless office job.

[@Oneofakind123]

@@dimmmmmmmmI really don't get that argument. The customer pay the same, it's just stated at the menu...

[@-JC_Denton-]

What's the most confusing part is that you can simply look at the example of other countries - you don't even need "20% service is included" bs. Simply add 20% to the prices (not as a warning in the menu, but just included in the prices of everything on the menu), put a huge "we do not accept tips - better bring your friends" sign on the window, that's it. I once got chased across half the street by a waiter in London, who handed me my change, saying "we do get good salary, you've already payed for this buying the food, and we'll just be happy to see you come back".

[@NazriB]

Lies again? HDB Paris FNB Money

[@coffle1]

I've been chased for the opposite reason. Once for not giving a tip for a < $7 soup as a broke college student, and another time because the waitress couldn't count my tip correctly and wanted more. For that second time I tipped close to 25% but she made me tip again because she said I was short changing her and the first receipt didn't have the suggested tip percentages. After she re-printed the receipt with the tip guides, I paid 15% and she somehow felt like she had the right to be angry about it (I was close to not tipping at all after that tbh)

[@tianamarie989]

​@@coffle1you shouldn't have tipped. All you did was reward her atrocious behavior.

[@BobJones-nk6nl]

All waiters do is to go to the kitchen and bring you the food. Isn't that what they're supposed to do when they accepted their job offers? They're not doing anything special outside their duties. If I bring kids along and they make a mess, then I would definitely tip.

[@mercadosamericanos6216]

Love this comment. :)

[@tonymatenheyi3865]

If you agree to that job, then don't make someone else feel bad for not tipping. Get a better job. If not, ask your employer or quit. This reverse psychology shouldn't be alowed to continue.

[@CallMeByMyMatingName]

As a person who is always ahead of the curve, I stopped tipping years ago. mcdonald's, taco bell etc. employees don't get an extra cent from me anymore. YES, I want my change back. I don't go through the drive through and order less than 4$ in food just to go broke by giving the window person a (monetary) tip, too. I've been boycotting (just) the tip for a while. Everyone else should, too!

[@khalidalali186]

I stopped paying tips, when I stopped eating out, back in 2018. Eating at home is way more fun and a lot cheaper. Buying groceries and cooking is really awesome. My monthly food expenses went down by almost 85%.

[@markdc1145]

Same here.

[@AI_Taylor]

Congrats learning how to feed yourself is an important skill to have

[@halfsourlizard9319]

How's your partner feel about not getting eaten out?

[@skyhawk4946]

We stopped eating out about 2 years ago in an effort to eat healthier. Prices at the restaurants when we stopped were getting crazy. Throw in if you go fast food, it's $15 to $20 for a $5 dollar value meal. No thanks. We enjoy cooking at home and we have more money to donate to the charities we want to.

[@handleyobusiness]

That’s the way to do it. Prepared food at restaurants are more expensive than groceries, even when you don’t tip.

[@Striker50_]

Restaurants are making you feel Guilty now 1 place calls it a "living wage adjustment" and adds on *18% to your bill automatically* Starbucks also asking for Tips in the Drive-Thru now!?!

[@buckiemohawk3643]

i disagree with starbucks tipping its bs

[@kaytex711]

if you use apps to pay it will automatically skip the process.

[@BeatKiller81]

I only tip where there’s servers. If you’re a cashier i aint tipping.

[@ipodtouch470]

@@BeatKiller81the ridiculous part is that the service a cashier and server provide isn’t much different. With the main difference being I walked your food to you and made lame small talk in hopes to get a tip.

[@baldeagle4710]

yeah i was in miami and they added a tip automatically. a lot of people will just miss that and tip ANOTHER 20%

[@richardcarlin1332]

tipping should go away. Restaurants should pay staff the true value of a job and charge the true price of a meal.

[@leonwizard5]

I was asked to tip at an automatic car wash the other day……. Gotta love this country.

[@leonmeyers7009]

I even stopped going to Starbucks at all because of tipping. Insufferable at this point!

[@InvestingWithAdamK]

Funny you say that. I bought a $2.67 coffee at Starbucks and paid with a card. The machine prompted if I wanted to give a $2, $3 or $5 tip

[@Striker50_]

I just visited a restaurant where the tablet STARTS with a 18% tip! then 20, and 25%@@InvestingWithAdamK

[@slomo4672]

​@@InvestingWithAdamKscrew that. No tips 🖕

[@irinab7524]

I don’t go restaurants at all any more - service is horrible, menu get cut in comparison to 2019 and overall experience is sad. Tips included in the check is absurd

[@kicksomeup6998]

I don't eat out at restaurants or order anything anymore. I only go to buffets, where tips are not expected. I don't go to any stores were bagging and ringing expects tips, if they don't have auto-checkout. I order my stuff from Amazon, where I don't ever need to and have never tipped, since none of them are tipped workers. Not a single Amazon driver has ever asked me for a tip, but if one ever does, I will tell them that they are not tipped workers and that I would not buy from a company that hires tipped workers as a matter of principle, since that just means they don't want to pay their workers and are abusing the laws. Dogged persistence will lead to corporate getting involved. Tipping is not about helping the worker, it is about perpetuating the idea that it is okay to remain in business while underpaying your staff. You wouldn't get away with stealing a loaf of bread in this country, but stealing workers' wages is not even a crime in most instances and in red states, even legalized. Wage thefts vastly surpassed burglaries in America and have for years now been the biggest financial crime in the history of this country. Tipped workers are just like us, the should get paid higher wages and if they don't do the job well, they should be put on an improvement plan or fired just like the rest of us. Grovelling for tips leads to a toxic workplace and is the most inhumane thing a human being can be made to endure, it affects their self-respect. Hopefully the UAW strike takes care of this.

[@AndrewLakebrink-cz2vl]

It shouldn't be up to the consumer to feel guilted into making sure the employees can buy food for their family. The business owner should pay them appropriately and the tip should be a bonus for a job well done.

[@magicspider8]

If you cannot keep a restaurant operating because you cannot afford to pay your workers that mean your business is not sustainable.

[@joernh837]

1:03 Well, yes. Please pass it off to the customer and cut this excess in tipping. Just like about any other country on earth does. Because paying 20% or more in tips doesn’t make eating out cheaper for the customers

[@YdenMk-II]

Exactly this. You say you don't want to pass it off to the customer when you already are passing it off so you don't have to directly pay your employees the normal min wage.

[@deana5277]

so if the minimum wage goes from 7.25 to 15 an hour...u can be sure that prices of food and drinks will go way higher then 20%

[@ashleighsparkle8810]

@luke5100 But we are already making a good wage with the current system. Why do you all act like you are advocating for us? You aren’t!

[@deana5277]

@luke5100 i can tell you most of us servers would much rather have tips then switch to a "livable wage"

[@Citizen-of-theworld]

The silly thing is that the customer ends up paying the same in the end, just that they get fooled into cheaper headline prices which are meaningless once tax and tip are added on. The net result is that server pay is highly variable and reliability of earnings very poor, with those working in expensive restaurants often doing very well, and low cost restaurant servers doing poorly; and this says very little about the actual quality of service since a fixed % is usually tagged on to the bill.

[@Apollo440]

Some customers end up paying, some don't. It's their choice, since tipping isn't mandatory.

[@Locutus]

I would be happy to pay slightly more, if I knew that the price was the price, no tips, no fees, no taxes separated, just built into the price.

[@djm2189]

If you provide a service, youll get tipped appropriately. If you dont provide a service and or gratuity is included you get nothing. Hate it? Change your job. Not my problem and i dont care. Life has choices, you aren't forced to be there. Welcome to life, it's not pretty.

[@Ziegfried82]

A huge portion of the US economy is fraudulent. The pricing structure is just one of many things!

[@prissylily25]

Exactly!!!! Like just make the prices higher so them people can get paid. It’s very wild.

[@NoHomerS]

The tipping system in the USA is disgusting. This is why I am so sick and tired of tipping. If enough people stop tipping entirely, businesses and politicians will notice and they will make some changes. And there may be some unintended consequences.

[@JohnDoe-bi4ho]

My wife is a nurse practitioner and she goes to patient’s houses when she’s done with her service with the patient. She never receives a tip. Should she automatically include a 20% gratuity on her bill?

[@StorytellingHeadshots]

They should allow tipping but make it illegal to swing that screen around with “suggested” amounts starting at nearly 1/4 if the total purchase price. I think it’s not tipping, but the entitlement that really angers people.

[@cassady7169]

…just don’t tip…is this really that complicated for you people?

[@JamietheFangirl22]

I only tip sit down restaurants, delivery drivers, and services at salons. The only exception is if I had a super amazing experience or a staff member went above and beyond.

[@Seoulhawk01]

@@cassady7169 Before they give you your food.... Don't tip.... and don't eat the food​

[@Watch-0w1]

​@@JamietheFangirl22no. Stop encouraging it. No one should be begging to live.

[@yucol5661]

If you get angry at a screen telling you to tip a lot, it’s the tipping that angers you

[@imjustsaying364]

It is ridiculous to expect patrons to subsidize restaurants by paying the servers salaries.

[@ThePoliticalBulldog]

That's the wealthy for ya, constantly waging class warfare against the rest of us.

[@johntracy72]

We already do by our purchases as it is.

[@slimdude2011]

@@johntracy72 If a waiter or a waitress are providing the customers good service when they're dining in a nice restaurant, there's nothing wrong leaving a tip for them, when knowing they're not making that much money on their base pay. The servers depend on their tips to make a decent wage because that's how they make their money. Not from their base rate! If a person has extra hundreds, thousands or even millions of dollars, and don't want to give a server at tip whenever they are dining at a nice restaurant, they're being a cheapskate. If people can afford to pay $60.00 or more for a good meal, then most certainly they can afford to leave a tip for their server. Personally, I wouldn't want anybody to even think that I was that cheap!

[@imjustsaying364]

@@slimdude2011 my point is I have no problem tipping for good service. It is after all a gratuity. To tell me that I MUST tip because the restaurant does not pay a living wage is antiquated. All businesses should be paying at least minimum wage, WHY are restaurants not paying at LEAST minimum wage? All other legal businesses require this, why not restaurants. Tipping used to be necessary because when it started, restaurants did not pay servers, they worked for tips only. Now they should receive wages.

[@zachjones2346]

@@imjustsaying364 Tipping isn't mandatory. If you can't afford to tip, don't eat out. If you have a problem with this, then don't be mad at the restaurant for not paying servers more because clearly you have an issue with paying more too. You are no better.

[@mariasjostrom5680]

Very informative. I am a chef and think food and water is so essential for our survival and wellbeing! These people need to be rewarded for being a part of this process.

[@MG-bf1zi]

Forcing a 20% service fee is deceiving unless you are clearly advertising it everywhere. Restaurants usually sneak that in.

[@Peter-bx7ip]

For food, I tip on three scenarios: 1)delivery 2)sit down orders where a waiter brings you food and tends to your needs 3)bartended drink If I order to-go food anywhere: no tip. It has gotten maddening everywhere as of late.

[@prinprin3324]

Especially at drive through

[@henryqjr2001]

That’s solid! I occasionally go to subway and when you pay. The owner of the place shoves the pay machine with a tip already set.

[@kellikakes81]

​@@henryqjr2001😮😮😮😡😡😡

[@mmoarchives2542]

mine are: 1. wait time to be seated 2. how long it takes to take our orders 3. the frequency of service 4. the effort to be friendly if they meet all 4 criteria, minimum of $5 to the max of $12

[@neonpandas]

Restaurants are catching onto this. Some places like Buffalo Wild Wings add a "takeout" fee to any online, phone, or in-person to-go orders. I stopped going there. I agree, I will tip for delivery, dining service, and bartenders but not for to-go.

[@jake_hys]

I just returned home to Europe from a trip to Canada which has a similar tipping-culture to the USA. I found it truly bizarre and very uncomfortable and did kinda low-key ruin the trip and make me not want to ever go to North America again. At places where you pay before you eat, I had to choose my 'tip' level before I'd even tried the food,; how on earth does that work? Can I ask for a refund of the tip if the food is bad? It felt like being exhorted by the mafia at gunpoint every time I wanted to eat. Paying $6 for a coffee PLUS 13% sales tax not included in the price PLUS 15% "tip" not included in the price simply meant it was insanely expensive to ever buy any sort of food. Like others in these comments it made me feel so uncomfortable and pressured I simply stopped going to cafés and restaurants and started buying from the supermarket and eating the food back at the hotel. Or going to places like Tim Hortons which seemed to be the only normal place (i.e. it didn't ask you to tip). Please do stop the madness.

[@jamesm568]

Just ignore the tips as that's what most of us do. If someone confronts you about a tip just remind them that they are not entitled and have no legal obligation to a tip. I get so many waitresses and waiters fired.

[@beebee32002]

I felt the same last week when coming back to the US from UK. I was buying a small coffee from a coffee stand and paid using my phone, then I just naturally walked away after paying. The cashier called me to come back to the machine to enter the tip amount and click "submit." I was caught off guard then realized that I was in the US now! LOL

[@MVEProducties]

@@beebee32002Hope you didn’t pay that “tip”!

[@TrulyPurpleslife]

Don’t pay that tip. It’s getting crazy I’m tired of tipping and not gone tip anymore. And that means cooking at home

[@yeleedkram]

@@TrulyPurpleslife Cook at home, save your money. Or go out and tip. Your choice.

[@eddieceniceros86]

In California they don’t make 2.13 cents an hour the make the same minimum wage as everyone else but the greedy entitlement for tips is crazy.

[@ianandersen265]

I wish tipping would end for casinos entirely. Harassment by casino dealers and cocktail waitresses is ridiculous. These large corporations make billions and have large amounts of control over the local economy, and yet they refuse to give a living wage for their workers. Don't blame the gamblers. Blame the corporations!

[@alexfencer34]

Many restaurants actually provide their employees two options - make fixed $15-20 an hour, or $2.13 plus tips. And LOTS of people still choose the latter because they know on certain days they can make over $50 an hour. So knowing that, I’m sorry, but food service workers and restaurants have no sympathy from me. Especially with the attitude I get sometimes simply when picking up a mediocre drip coffee and a bagel, paying $10 (which is already outrageously expensive for this) and the staff having the audacity to outright ask me if I want to tip, with the lowest option being 25% 🤡

[@nchaiphuong2709]

People also should understand that stop tipping does not mean no tip at all. In Asian counties, we pay employees minimum wage and allow tips as optional. As customers, we don’t feel obliged. As employees, you have a good night sleep after a work day. Yet that does not stop customers tipping when they are happy with services. Tips in our countries are greatest compliments.

[@hgdvl8811]

Here the government, the IRS figures out in most places by the amount of sales and amount of employees figures out a minimum amount of tips you should be making per day and taxes you on it if you make it or not thats tip compliance. If you dont sign up for tip compliance then the IRS charges you up to 25% more on that rate for not being on it . Meaning that if you report less than what they think their tip compliance rate was then they audit you and make you pay more in taxes.

[@frederickclause2694]

I'm old enough to remember when tipping in North America was for good service. Now it's just expected. Looking at a menu just add 20% to the price shown and that's the consumer's real cost.

[@osaroosayande2666]

​@@hgdvl8811 if the tip payment was an electronic means, i would pay the tax because they'll find out, but if its cash no way I'm paying😊😊

[@rdj232]

that is how it used to be in the US as well.

[@davidlee8406]

Which Asian country takes tips? I grew up in an Asian country and tips were some fancy stuff in the western countries, not in Asia.

[@1yearoldiam]

I don't know if they still do it, but I knew a person who worked at sonic (the fast food restaurant) 6 or 7 years ago as a cashier and sonic claimed they were a "tip worker" and paid them $4.somthing an hour. Nobody who goes to a fast food restaurant is ever thinking of tipping so Sonic always had to pay the remainder. However, because of that workaround they paid their employees the absolute minimum wage legally available.

[@nicksmith8141]

I do tip , but I pretty much just stopped going out to eat except occasionally . With inflated prices and an expected 20% minimum the cost is too high.

[@bonital119]

It's insane that in America you can apparently run a business without affording all of the costs (employee's salaries) and instead relying on HANDOUTS, which you seem to make a big deal of in every other instance.

[@AndyFahey]

Exactly!

[@camdenmacleod16]

As a prior non-tipped fast food worker, making $200 a day in tips like she was talking about would be heaven to me. That would be almost 1/4 a paycheck.

[@LostChildOfTime]

Yeah, but it’s not guaranteed every time you work. Some days, you’re gonna go home with $20. Some weeks, you’re just not going to make enough compared to a non-tipped worker and in more cases, it’s better to have a stable wage than to get paid based on how the customer is feeling about THEIR money.

[@SuperMachead1]

@@LostChildOfTimeI’ve worked as a waiter for 40 years….always averaged $25/hr

[@LostChildOfTime]

@SuperMachead1 And if every waitress/waiter made what you made, we wouldnt be talking about this.

[@SuperMachead1]

@@LostChildOfTime true…this has been a normal everyday thing for a hundred years….why is it all of a sudden an issue now ?

[@TMoney-wt1cw]

@@LostChildOfTimethe waiters aren’t the ones talking about this most of the time… it’s everyone else. The consumers/business owners, etc. The majority of the time waiters DONT want to get rid of tipping because they would make less if we got rid of tipping and only had an hourly wage such as $20/hour lol.