ROTOR 2INpower Power Meter Installation

[@cliffordchaperon6795]

seriously, you guys are so good together, I just want more

[@gplama]

Yep, SLane is ace! I've talked him into a few more videos in the coming weeks. Stay tuned.

[@stevenhardy7481]

Clifford Chaperon is

[@kylethatcher5828]

Nice! I have had a 2inpower on my BMC Roadmachine for about a month and I really like it. Power matches up great with my kickr and garmin vector 2's.

[@gplama]

Multiple power meters!? Nice! One of us! One of us! :)

[@solyfiestas]

ROTOR MADE IN SPAIN!! somos los mejores!

[@RixterNow]

Slanes pain cave/workshop is cleaner than most 4-star hotels!

[@gplama]

+Rixter I concur. 👍🏼

[@dmalcantara]

I need Slane's carpenter contact :)

[@gabrielung4088]

Looking forward to the comparison video.

[@garym8017]

Love these vids boys 👍👍. Although, I did find myself shouting at my iPad "Don't forget to pull the chain through before....oops, too late !!" 😄😄

[@toledotorpedo]

can't wait for this review!

[@BigMac-404]

Loving the Slane content

[@The.Cycling.Therapist]

That dead pixel with the image stabilization making it dart around is bringing out the "distracted squirrel" in me.

[@gearathon]

Delicious looking crankset! A comparison with som DC overlay graphs between Rotor 2in power, P1 pedals and the kickr16 would be great. Cheers!

[@jefft6782]

"Let's see if you can break it". Quote of the day from SLane.

[@warwickmcghee]

way more entertaining than i thought it would be

[@JS-tb9hu]

Nice video. I managed to make my own 360 work stand. Won't be as good but will be cheaper

[@jmoore46jm]

Ahhh here!! No more Dr Slane videos they're making me too jealous of him. not only is he good looking in fantastic shape very intelligent and a very good business man he also has the perfect man cave

[@886014]

Schweet! Great looking work area.

[@hrukin]

You guys forgot to put the chain around the crankspindel before you assembled it together. Much esier than to struggle with the chain to get it around the front gear

[@gplama]

+Henning A. Rukin SLane had it covered, don't stress it. It flips over easily... the front mech was positioned for a 53, this is a 52, there is clearance. Now I'll get taken apart for not redoing the front mech height. This, sock height, rear mech cable hanger... just chill Internet.

[@Jace_Roams]

beautiful setup!

[@BIGDO13]

that BB removal tool though!!

[@gplama]

It was like "The Matrix Removing the Bug Scene" hahah!

[@ahafeezs]

4:53 is that Parktool BBT90.3? Can you ask Dr SLane whether that tool suitable for PF30 as well? cheers

[@v2rv]

I recently installed the same BB to my mountain bike. They're indeed a bit sticky and full of grease at first. But after about 150km they're already running smoother.

[@xboxgolfdude]

Eccentric is the word you were looking for relating to the Q rings

[@ShermanSitter]

doesn't eccentric technically mean off center? Wouldn't it be oval?

[@shimoido5342]

Douglas ツールドフランス

[@palonemec]

Slane has gome some skills!

[@fiddleronthebike]

would be VERY INTERESTING to here what Dr SLane has to say about the Q-rings and QXL-rings... please ask him about that!!!

[@gplama]

I value data over opinions.... I'll ask him for the data showing if they're better. ;)

[@fiddleronthebike]

great!!!

[@rein2523]

Are you ever going to do a follow up on the 2inpower with Q-rings and their very advanced software?

[@gplama]

+Rein QRings? I’m not sure. I still haven’t seen enough solid evidence for me to warrant spending six weeks+ of my time on them. Pedal metrics yes.

[@JensFredeRasmussen]

So the new BB he put in was without any middle part ? Just the bearings?

[@TheAjcoz]

Lifeline UK brand all have those tools Shane a lot - lot cheaper than Park Tool. That is if you don't mind the brand name. They just work the same.

[@JanseJannik]

more with slane!

[@tedgodfrey2708]

Hey what happened at 9:30 into the Video Am I getting old or did you forget to move the chain around the BB and crank

[@gplama]

It wraps around the outside given enough clearance with the front derailleur and the 52 tooth chainring.

[@tedgodfrey2708]

I thought that after I posted it... You should do a video with a group of your mates with no HR straps computers power meters etc etc and see how much fun it could be not being high tech.. Have everyone be honest about the ride. Make it a good 3 hour ride...

[@fw_uke_ha]

Any idea how to get them properly off? I have always trouble when it comes to uninstall the crank off the bike.The screw on th older DualPower could be used as a puller.

[@waynosfotos]

Running those new vittoria graphene tyres, where's the vid?

[@gplama]

+wayne proud Two year old prototypes. No video, none planned unless Vittoria bring out ANT or BLE compatible ones :)

[@waynosfotos]

Shane Miller okay, fair enough no electrics inside

[@norbertschweiger1324]

What´s the trick behind fitting this 30mm spindle on an frame with a BB for 24mm cranks? Would that work with a Quarq BB30 as well? Would save me quite some money!! Hope you can let me know... thanks a lot!

[@gplama]

Trick is to remove and replace the bottom bracket. Not sure on the BB30 compatibility, unlikely due to width differences. That's one for a good mechanic to answer.

[@online_screen_name]

Just got mine but that black plastic cover on the charging port broke the moment I opened it.

[@alejandroarmenta9130]

I would like to get the workstand, only to wash my fuji sst 2.0.

[@gplama]

+Alejandro Armenta It is a deluxe set up. See my $20 budget work stand video for something that'll be good for just washing a bike. 👍🏼

[@alejandroarmenta9130]

I know what you mean, I've already see the video ($20 budget work stand) I will follow your advice.

[@rongurney48]

The Wurkstand is listed at $399. and is sold out.

[@StoppedClockImaging]

Hi Shane, great video thanks. I'm interested to know what BB you used to make 30mm cranks fit into your frame? I have a propel that i would like to fit Rotor cranks and rings too.

[@gplama]

PF4130. Google that and it should take you to the Rotor website with the BB options.

[@StoppedClockImaging]

Brilliant. Thank you, looking forward to your review of the Q rings :)

[@angrymapache2302]

Hey Shane. Nice video. How about when you have lateral movement or play of the cracks? How do you solve that? I developed some lateral play after 17.000kms. Cheers.

[@gplama]

One for a good mechanic to look at.

[@angrymapache2302]

U know the Morphine song "A good woman is hard to find"?. Well, A good mechanic is even harder! It turns out the shop which mounted the bike didn't put the 0.5mm spacer on the left crank. Good for them!!!! I have already ordered 2 of them. Thanks for the feedback Shane. Nice vids again!!!! @@gplama

[@samconnellau]

Don't leave us hanging Shane... We wanna see lunch

[@witte2702]

What's Slane thoughts on Power2Max coping with non round rings? everything ok?

[@albasa2412]

Not specifically a PM related question. Have you had any issues with the PF4130 BB in the Giant? Longevity or creaking? Cheers.

[@gplama]

Not while it was installed, no. Back to Shimano BB for now while I'm on their cranks for other power meter work.

[@cliffcox7643]

Shane, Hambini says it's not good to use a 30mm spindle in the shell of a BB86 because the accommodating bearings will have to be thinner, and thus inferior. Do you feel this is so?

[@gplama]

He’s an engineer.

[@cliffcox7643]

@@gplama yes, he only sold me his BB for Shimano. But, do you agree or have you found no problems w the bearings. My local shop seems to think its ok.

[@gplama]

In my experience on the bike I’ve had no issues. That doesn’t mean the smaller bearings required for this setup are optimal.

[@cliffcox7643]

@@gplama alright, Im not such a powerful rider, so they may be good for me. thank you and keep up the good works.

[@romainm7147]

Hello Shane. I have Rotor flow on my Orbea Ordu. Do you think I can keep my MAS 110 using this inwpower crank (I prefere for aero)

[@gplama]

One for Rotor support. I’m not sure.

[@vicodebres]

Did you have any problems getting the left crank arm fitted? I've installed a few of them, but it felt like I needed to press them on!

[@gplama]

Not on this one. Went on without any issues.

[@VENTSHD]

Is that a bb86, so I would need a press fit 4130 for the 2inpower

[@gplama]

Yep PF4130

[@gregsaveallgreen]

Slane is ice cool

[@davidbarber5302]

Hi Shane What is your view on crank length? I thought you would be on 175mm.

[@gplama]

There's a bee's dick in it from 172.5 to 175. I use 175 on the TT bike because that's what everyone did 10 years ago.

[@886014]

"There's a bee's dick in it from 172.5 to 175." 2.5 mm. Yikes, if that's it's dick size ...! Note to self, don't get stung by a Victorian bee!!!

[@swites]

What press fit bearings did you use to accomodate the Rotor 30mm spindle cranks btw?

[@gplama]

Rotor PF4130

[@swites]

Thanks for the quick reply :) Can be quite confusing with all the different BB standards etc!

[@rocketman1965]

How do the Rotor 2INpower meter compare with the Powertap P1's? Have you had any issues with the P1's?

[@gplama]

Just looking at some data now. The P1s have been great. 0deg cleats are 100% better for me than the standard ones.

[@olegkurovsky3198]

what bottom bracket press tool was used?

[@Oakrider0]

Hi, Shane. How's thing. Just one quick question ; how do you recharge this 2inpower? I definitely saw from Rotor official video that we put cable into crank then plug into charger. Do you follow that? :)

[@gplama]

10:22 in this video

[@DiegoGutierrez1326]

como hago para conseguir un plato rotor ovalado,para colombia?

[@terermate]

Great video

[@michaelferguson-kang9797]

Did you end up trying the Q rings Shane?

[@gplama]

I haven't. I still can't justify the time to look into these. As well as the lengthy arguments around the claims. Honestly, it's a horror show. There's a thread on fire now on Zwift Riders about them. Until *I'm* convinced of their measurable benefits for *my riding*, I'll give them a wide berth, for now.

[@barefeg]

hopefully the piece of metal flying at 5:50 is not from the frame!

[@abdullahtaniwan]

Rotor 2inpower or quarq dzero, if you have one choice?

[@PeakTorque]

Quarq. Better tech support.

[@abdullahtaniwan]

Hi, Thanks for the reply. What i mean is the technology and accuracy point of view? Are they having same tech

[@PeakTorque]

Technology: Rotor 2inpower: 1 set of strain gauges inside the 30mm spindle for left leg (good signal to noise ratio, low parasitics) and 1 set of strain gauges inside the right crank arm to measure bending (lower signal to noise ratio, but better than shear face gauges like Stages). Technology: Quark DFour: Multiple strain gauges arranged in spider to measure left and right leg power on the same gauges. This gives great reliability and accuracy from Left to Right. Good signal to noise ratio, largeley impervious to out of plane bending. I hope to do a video of all the different types of technology on my channel soon.

[@abdullahtaniwan]

Cycgnr thank you so much!!!

[@marty197666]

This is the greatest man cave I have ever seen.

[@DiegoRevs]

2inPower Vs Pioneer Dura Ace Power meter, which would would you consider better??? - HELP!

[@gplama]

I’d look at other options.

[@DiegoRevs]

Shane Miller - GPLama which one would you recommend?

[@gplama]

@@DiegoRevs gplama.com/powermeter-guide/

[@DiegoRevs]

@@gplama Thank you!!!!!

[@maheshmaximus1]

Great 👍

[@Cheg78]

Is there an expensive bike gadget you do not buy Shane?

[@gplama]

Lots. And what I can't afford I beg and borrow in return for detailed technical feedback both on here and behind the scenes. I'm well behind the game in regards to group sets and tech.

[@zelvenstormrage]

Tiny torque wrench!?

[@gplama]

It was... for tiny jobs.

[@zelvenstormrage]

What is the brand/model? I'd love to get one!

[@PeakTorque]

Putting a bb30 crank in a bb86 frame with a 41mm shell isn't the best idea. Better off sticking with a 24mm crankset. Those 41x30 bearings you put in have a really low static load rating, even with dual row balls. It's the only way to fit 30mm cranks into a bb86 frame, but its a bad solution engineering wise. Also since you installed, have the bearings loosened up a bit? Look really sticky!

[@gplama]

They turn a lot better after a few good rides, yep.

[@gabrielkralik7252]

Man, Im thinking about buying a new powermeter, but after seeing this instalation... Im definitely not going to buy Rotor 2INpower :) I wouldnt like to go through this process

[@gplama]

+Gabriel Kralik This is what bike shops are for, or mates like SLane.

[@fiddleronthebike]

@Gabriel Kralik ???what do you mean? Installing the Rotor crankset is as easy as with any other crankset!?!

[@gabrielkralik7252]

I mean, when you buy power2max or Quark, you dont have to change the whole bottom bracket. Its that much easier.

[@gplama]

That depends on what BB you're running. It's something any bike mechanic can do in minutes. We're consumers/riders, not mechanics. Same as a lot of other things (cars, etc).

[@fiddleronthebike]

depends on what cranks you have; I have a power2max and had to change the bottom bracket as well - but done in a few minutes, no worries at all!

[@rein2523]

This powermeter is a gergous thing. Shame its so pricey, but its worth more then an SRM imo

[@waynosfotos]

Close enough... for Shane. Lol

[@andreask8463]

For the sake of completeness. "2INpower" pronounced: twin power

[@gplama]

Really? That's horrible.... the fact it has to be explained that is. :)

[@cliffcox7643]

Or, it may be pronounced Two INCH Power, as my friends say.

[@chiwanau]

the bb bearings go in straighter 1 at a time. less chance for squeaky bearings

[@chiwanau]

Orly bearings can't squeak huh? Thx for the cyclist science lesson

[@ivanboesky1520]

Jean-Baptiste It's good you recognize you are a clown. :-)

[@cliffcox7643]

Add a new meaning to cyclist saying it's Hammer time.

[@JonCannings]

no torque wrench 😮

[@gplama]

+Jon Cannings On what?

[@elidouek5438]

god help anyone who drives into Slane's garage door accidentally...

[@angusvoo9863]

Riding a bike with two power meters is threesome dream of every men...

[@ShermanSitter]

very funny! :) though who wouldn't like 2 measures? Sometimes I like to check my cycle computes distance with similar multiple measurement systems.

[@st33fie]

nice putting on gear that is twice the price of the bike hahaha lol

[@gplama]

Good call. But I don't have Giant calling offering anything newer....and I'm not buying new (I can't see the value), so it's $$ power meters in 2nd hand frame sets. :)

[@paradox963]

Thats the worst way to remove a bottom bracket. Enduro makes one with an expanding collet the draws it out gently with a threaded rod so no damage to the bearings or the frame.

[@glbikefixer]

10% and 16% oval.

[@fredseigneur]

... more/less oval... moore/less elliptical... well, anyway... easter is definitely over

[@JeffreyThistle]

None of that was torqued, might want to rethink that in the future.

[@gplama]

+Jeffrey A. Thistle It was. I sped it up so I didn't get chewed out.... I'll cut it next time. Never work with children, animals, or show a torque wrench on KZbin. Life lessons. :)

[@JeffreyThistle]

I hear the new generation Stages is far better than the first iterations of it hard to find reviewers brave enough to retest them, I'm considering them over my Garmin Vector I been using. Any thoughts or info on that?

[@gplama]

+Jeffrey A. Thistle I've never considered spending my money on Vectors, or a Stages II either. They may work fine... they're just not on my radar.