Tuesday's rematch in Calgary should be FUN. I hope they start with their FOURTH LINES and just GO AT IT!
@SLJ87Ай бұрын
Can't wait!!!
@SuperSailorNightstormАй бұрын
I'm absolutely looking forward to that game!!! That's gonna be fun to watch!!!
@rollnryan27Ай бұрын
John Tortorella & Bob Hartley have entered the chat 🤜💪
@ExoTheDrakoXIIIАй бұрын
Nah... I'm excited for the rematch in Calgary in a few days Calgary doesn't have anyone on the roster to fight Oliveir who's the #1 HW fighter in the league unless they get the 6'8" Adam Klapka plus Ryan Lomberg and Pospisil on the same line it wouldn't even be fair... really. On defense they need Pachal and Miramanov out there to start to "even" the odds against coward Blue jackets who are well aware of the fact that they have #1 guy who only 3 guys can stand with
@kevinthedpАй бұрын
Blue Jackets will just start with Olivier on the ice and he'll spank all 5 Flames players in one go 😆
@josephspagnolo3376Ай бұрын
Man you wouldn’t think this game would have all these fights… rip Johnny G🕊️
@ThexSleepingDragon22 күн бұрын
Maybe he should not have left, called Karma.
@josephspagnolo337622 күн бұрын
@@ThexSleepingDragon tf is wrong with you? Braindead troglodyte
@josephspagnolo337620 күн бұрын
@@ThexSleepingDragon tf is wrong with you
@ThexSleepingDragon20 күн бұрын
@josephspagnolo3376 should i care about some random player?
@josephspagnolo337620 күн бұрын
@ if you didn’t care you wouldn’t have commented that you pathetic cunt
@Vinnybri17Ай бұрын
What I really like about Olivier is that he doesn't run around gloating as does Reaves and some others (at least I haven't seen him do it). He is a decent hockey player too (with 7 goals). Lomberg is no slouch either. Both of these guys could be on my team any day. Great tilt.
@FALCON21301Ай бұрын
That's because Olivier knows he's the champ unlike that clown Reeves who is a wanna be champ!
@ExoTheDrakoXIIIАй бұрын
@@FALCON21301 Oliveir is the #1 HW so the actual champ, true but Lomberg is the people's champ! Tom Wilson, Ryan Reaves and Nikita Zadarov follow them behind but Lomberg is the smallest heavyweight so he's probably not actually ranked but in terms of heart he is top three and again the people's champ 🔥🐉
@HeatherRadcliffe-jd8lrАй бұрын
@@ExoTheDrakoXIIInaw you reaching never heard that term in hockey lmfao but whatever makes you feel better about that beat down
@Jay-py1owАй бұрын
@@HeatherRadcliffe-jd8lrLOL no one gives a fuck about Columbus 🤣🤣🤡
@ExoTheDrakoXIIIАй бұрын
@@HeatherRadcliffe-jd8lr they're UFC terms and also now used in hockey more and more but whatever helps you feel better about guys fighting guys out of their weight class.
@Hippityhop-13Ай бұрын
It was a goddamned clean open ice hit by Christianson . This 💩 pisses me off , now standing up for a teammate who was cheap shotted is a whole different ballgame
@marksamuel5347Ай бұрын
You are so right, same here in todays hockey you cannot give a good clean check with out having to fight some one.
@johnwestby968Ай бұрын
It's not about dirty or clean, sometimes you just need a reason to fight to give your team a spark
@tommloye4626Ай бұрын
Why would you be pissed off…especially if you understand the game. Calgary was playing flat and on the road. They needed a little pick-me-up to try and get them going. What’s the issue?
@DirtyBeefCurtainsАй бұрын
@@tommloye4626the issue is the guy jumping in can’t fight for shit. That doesn’t jump start a team.
@tommloye4626Ай бұрын
@@DirtyBeefCurtains That’s a straw man argument. I never said it was a guarantee it “would” jump start the team…I said it was “trying” to.
@Luda1010Ай бұрын
Awesome vid! Keep these up my man!
@richardwise350Ай бұрын
Respect to Lomberg for stepping up, the guy is fearless and that fight needed to happen even if he lost.
@Vinnybri17Ай бұрын
Totally agree with you; a true team mate indeed.
@Bixll09Ай бұрын
Big heart, wrong weight class
@wastedyears6653Ай бұрын
That was a stupid move. Did nothing for the team except embarrass them by getting rag dolled.
@lunar33iciousАй бұрын
Olivier wears the Belt tonight! He was tossing BOMBS!
@KevinSpencer-t4iАй бұрын
Ya real tough guy fighting a guy half his side. He's a joke.
@SirManflyАй бұрын
@@KevinSpencer-t4i Lomberg wanted to go !!
@WTHARTLEYАй бұрын
buddy this is nothign to get excited about he was a grade 12 walking among grade 10s. the Flames have no answer for physicality. Marty pospisil is answering the bell for his teammates whats does that tell you
@Aaron-jay7Ай бұрын
What you do there is…. you run a bluejackets dmen from behind twice as hard. Skate by the bluejackets bench as your getting kicked out and tell them, his injuries are on them
@sbourassa9198Ай бұрын
@@WTHARTLEYthat isnt Olivier problem tho.
@Mechanicsville804Ай бұрын
3rd man in!!!! That was incredibly cheap and dangerous what he did to Olivier
@foxmulder2941Ай бұрын
Yeah , can't believe it wasn't called.
@TTMABBАй бұрын
Maybe don’t nail someone in the numbers
@yakivpopavichАй бұрын
@@TTMABB Maybe don't turn your back to a checking opponent.
@TTMABBАй бұрын
@ ? His back was turned the entire time to get the puck ☠️ are u drunk
@SenatorFeathersАй бұрын
Soft as fuck pospisil got saved by a teammate then goes after the guy when the refs are clearly there
@WilliamBonney-gl2qfАй бұрын
If Lomberg is a heavyweight,what is Ryan Reaves,a Sumo? That Announcer has taken too many head shots...like Lomberg
@SenatorFeathersАй бұрын
Super biased commentary
@Hippityhop-13Ай бұрын
Ryan Reaves is basically a meathead
@brianm27Ай бұрын
Kids got Heart, but I couldn’t help but feel the mismatch
@WilliamBonney-gl2qfАй бұрын
@@brianm27 Agreed! But I couldn't help but think...CTE 😵💫🧠
@obey2dmaxАй бұрын
Olivier destroyed Rempe. Essentially, Lomberg moved up to a heavyweight fight. 😂
@HarvestersayHelloАй бұрын
Good to see Lomberg got pumped.
@IbelikemjАй бұрын
So pleasing to watch
@schwamieboy1Ай бұрын
Hey basement dweller, I think your moms calling your for breakfast. Lambargs fighting a whole weight class above him puts his big balls on your forehead ya little biatch. Recognize.
@garrettbeams7752Ай бұрын
Old time Hockey!!! Gotta love every now and then lol
@moderndaydrifter4672Ай бұрын
I'm happy to have lomberg back with the flames, but we need a true enforcer that will make teams think twice when playing the flames.
@IGotWorkToDo1600Ай бұрын
Agreed
@ottoschless4115Ай бұрын
The Tkachuk Rag Doll Legacy still remains at Calgary. Lomberg is maintaining the Legacy.
@garys2157Ай бұрын
He, doesn't back down from anyone but, fighting guys that 40 to 60 lbs on him and 5"to 7", usually won't end well.
@FFFdogcrazyАй бұрын
@@garys2157 Unless you fight like Rick Rypien.
@schwamieboy1Ай бұрын
Lambargs fighting a whole weight class above him puts his big balls on your forehead . Recognize.
@Herpa-Derp-1Ай бұрын
Lmao 🤣😂
@zzii0327Ай бұрын
Lomberg turned into a mope
@user-iw5mp5th6dАй бұрын
Pospisil is a tough guy after being saved by a third man in.
@arabjude8314Ай бұрын
Pusspisilly is a coward cheap shotter who deserves go the punched out from the league. No code, no honor. Olivier was smashing him to pieces and then a 3rd guy jumps in? How was that not a game misconduct? Rules are very clear you cannot jump in as a 3rd if a fight is already happening.
@MichaelDeanBagronАй бұрын
Olivier 1 tough dude. Beat up 2 guys...he can throw punches in bunches...good 2 watch thee old days N.H.L.
@sldduncan70Ай бұрын
Columbus Blue Jackets, Mathieu Olivier needs the “A”
@ItsKyleMangАй бұрын
Yeah! Because he gave him the D!
@MD76MACАй бұрын
Johnny Gaudreau memorial game .💪
@janzkeeАй бұрын
goes hard🔥🔥
@MD76MACАй бұрын
The way it should.
@elpusegatoАй бұрын
Damn right
@SoOthersMayLiveandStuffАй бұрын
You put some great highlight reels together. Nice scrap coverage! G-d I love hockey.
@dannymundycomedyАй бұрын
Olivier is a beast
@durbanbudzАй бұрын
I really like this Flames team.
@claytonwyatt9780Ай бұрын
Lomberg got fed.
@duanevigue1603Ай бұрын
Couldnt happen to a nicer guy.
@FFFdogcrazyАй бұрын
He is like 5'9 and 190 pounds....give him credit for being brave.
@BKHockeyTalk18 күн бұрын
@@duanevigue1603literally the nicest guy from a Florida panthers fan here he lives in the neighborhood my folks live in and I promise you he and his wife are the absolute best people. His wife and the usher of my section were pregnant at the same time ( I’m a season ticket holder) she’s a single mom and they went to the same doc, and he bought a full set of clothes and a bunch of toys for her son because his wife and my usher got close during pregnancy. Absolute w of a human
@elpusegatoАй бұрын
This is why hockey's the best and there's not a close 2nd. Lomberg the absolute beauty, Olivier absolute beauty, Christiansen and Pospisil beauties
@doilersАй бұрын
only non beauty gotta be pachal for holding olivier while he was fighting pospisil
@ladygamer9880Ай бұрын
Poss was straight upper cutting in that fight.....craziness! I friggin love hockey so much!!!
@dadofthree28Ай бұрын
Olivier is a hard sob
@stevenhackworth3303Ай бұрын
I figured these two teams would keep it civil..
@ericmao8131Ай бұрын
Not a fan of Lucic. But when he was with Flames, nobody messed with them.
@SenatorFeathersАй бұрын
Lmfao what did Lomberg think he was gonna do? That guy talks so much shit but can’t back it up. That was so embarrassing
@Jayden-k9jАй бұрын
I’d love to see you out there keyboard warrior 😂
@FFFdogcrazyАй бұрын
At least he stood up and fought a guy much bigger and tougher than him.
@IGotWorkToDo1600Ай бұрын
Exactly. Olivier should pick on someone his own size
@ShxydeRLYTАй бұрын
@@IGotWorkToDo1600 lomberg initiated the fight🤡🤡
@TylerKTanakaАй бұрын
If you’re a Calgary fan you better heap praise on Lomberg for being a great teammate. Solid fight put up by him against a brute.
@KevinSpencer-t4iАй бұрын
you're call Olivia a brute LOLOLOLOLOLOL
@stephenchristian5739Ай бұрын
Thanks this was fun to see entire situation
@gooddognigel9992Ай бұрын
Isn’t bodychecking allowed anymore?
@URKlewlessАй бұрын
Not if you are a Calgary fan ….FACT
@yakivpopavichАй бұрын
Not for much longer, body checking and hitting stats down over 50% from a decade ago, fighting is being phased out and body checking comes next. All because of MUH concussions and MUH CTE. Player Safety concerns and the Department Of Player Safety will have all physical contact removed from this sport by 2030 if this keeps up.
@schwamieboy1Ай бұрын
two different types of hits ashat...go back to golf.
@natanbegnini7545Ай бұрын
If Gudbransson had recovered and Adam Klapka had been called by the Flames, the party would be complete
@FALCON21301Ай бұрын
Credit to Lomberg for hanging in but he and Pospisil are not even close to being in the same catagory as Olivier! I guess this is what happens when a team has no Heavy on the roster!
@freshstart349Ай бұрын
I've been saying all along the past several seasons that Olivier is an underrated fighter
@brutaldomcomАй бұрын
The original hit by Olivier in real time looks horrible but the replay at 4:58 makes it seem like the right call was made. Not five minutes but still rough enough that they’re not gonna call the embellishment
@jackedwards4520Ай бұрын
Time to bring up jarred tinordi for dec 3rd
@thegoongeАй бұрын
Couldn’t stand Lomberg as a Panther. I realize now it’s just my Florida bias. He’s an actual beauty.
@elpusegatoАй бұрын
Sorry, the tremendous glint of our Stanley Cup rings blinded me from being able to read your comment
@thegoongeАй бұрын
@@elpusegato touché 😉
@mikefearn659623 күн бұрын
How was that not a 3rd man in ????
@DSSel3ct71Ай бұрын
1st fight was a joke. Clean hit 100% 2nd hit is still the penalty, Columbus should've had a powerplay, 2 flames plays not in the fight were tugging on Olivier and left him open to 4 rights by proposal 3rd fight. Good on lomberg for holding his own but that was a SEVERELY mismatched fight.
@FFFdogcrazyАй бұрын
Lomberg got his lesson, probably won't act like he is a tough guy from now on....lol
@kevingunnery5470Ай бұрын
Lomberg was hanging on for dear life…
@Hyperi0nnАй бұрын
I think Calgary need some muscles...
@xboxrules8472Ай бұрын
Toss him from the game, hit was CLEAN.
@PopOffPrairieАй бұрын
Can you make a video about how horrible Carolinas Goalie situation is? All of our losses are due to AHL level keepers
@generalimlerith8356Ай бұрын
Lot of hatred for two who barely meet hehe gotta love it
@ExoTheDrakoXIIIАй бұрын
Much respect Lombo... Hes the smallest heavyweight in the league and took in the #1 HW in the league. Not the #1 contender but the #1 guy! Respect 🔥🐉
@kugashira1018Ай бұрын
The fact that Christiansen had to fight someone after that hit is pathetic.
@Murph_.Ай бұрын
To start off... the hit was definitely a 5 minute boarding. No question. The fight was a fight, until 94 from Calgary got involved. 100% affected the safety of a player who was unable to protect himself, so that HAS to be an ejection for 3rd man in. Olivier deserves 5 for the hit from behind. He hit him square in the numbers and he saw the number well before he made the hit. PS - I know a lot of people HATE Lomberg, and I understand why. But give the guy credit, fighting one of the toughest and BIGGEST SOBs in the league. Lomberg ain't a big guy. Good for him.
@URKlewlessАй бұрын
5 minute boarding🤣🤣🤣🤣 more like 5 minutes for embellishment 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@stevehardman4686Ай бұрын
The hit from behind, I thought it was a major but it is debatable anytime the defender stops and expects the forechecker to modify his plans. The third man in, that is the easiest and most automatic, no debate about it call....that they screwed up!!!!!
@sharkusvelardeАй бұрын
Textbook boarding
@yakivpopavichАй бұрын
That was barley even 2 minutes bud. You can't just play the puck and at the last second turn your back and act like your immune from being checked. It was a light push and he acted like he was hit by a train.
@romaliopАй бұрын
Not really boarding, borderline at best. Check from behind, sure.
@usaslaktАй бұрын
Someone likes to say the name Posposil, (nice clean hit by Christanssen) I guess Olivier won't forget who Calgary no. 94 is...
@garys2157Ай бұрын
I wouldn't call it a straight out dirty hit but it was head contact, Pachal, won't back down from a guy that tried to hurt his teammate.
@donkeyshot4497Ай бұрын
@@garys2157 He literally backed down right after he grabbed a distracted Olivier from behind and dove like a dolphin. Dude is a rat and a coward.
@rontrabaroe4247Ай бұрын
Coward flames jumping in
@mattvan5100Ай бұрын
Pospisil has had 7 concussions and hasn't fought in years. His team knows that and you could see none of them wanted him in that fight. Maybe you would stand there and watch your team mate career possibly end. Pospisal isn't a fighter. Lomberg is. Olivier needs to stay in his lane end of discussion
@redneckcanuck8359Ай бұрын
@@mattvan5100WTF?? 1:34 Pospisil hasn’t fought in years?? Pospisil was in the first fight, which he went straight after in response to a good clean hit. He turtled until buddy jumped in, then took a couple cheap shots.
@fawnstaggАй бұрын
@mattvan5100 then why did he fight Christensen for a clean hit if he’s so fragile? Holding Olivier while Mr. Fragile punches him cannot be justified.
@Jayden-k9jАй бұрын
Keyboard warrior 😂
@ExoTheDrakoXIIIАй бұрын
@@fawnstaggthat's the Code... Olivier fought a NON fighter tho
@rowdyryder380613 күн бұрын
Ryan Lomberg may be the bravest man in the NHL. Challenging Matt Olivier to a fight is either immensely courageous or simply insanity at its worst. Credit to Lomberg regardless.
@JadenJDHАй бұрын
Cmon wolf, get in the action
@1pbdecoded1pbАй бұрын
The only thing I didn't like was the Flames geek grabbing the CBJ fighter from behind during the one fight. Kinda quasi 3rd man in if that is still a penalty. Lomberg looks like a scrappy middle weight. Admirable Lomberg stepped to a heavyweight. CBJ has good team spirit. Watched this instead of the Pens highlights. Pens fan.
@totallykoolyeahАй бұрын
So What does a 5m boarding penalty look like?
@ericweeks8386Ай бұрын
One where you don't look back at the ref to see if he called it then cover your face.
@yakivpopavichАй бұрын
It looks like something more than a light check and shove. If players would quit turning their back at the last second to a checking opponent this wouldn't be a problem.
@elpusegatoАй бұрын
It looks like boarding, which that WASN'T
@BigSleepyJoeCookingАй бұрын
Apparently Quinn Hughes is vicious enough for it
@TheZombiemofoАй бұрын
I'm more concerned that these refs don't understand what 3rd man in looks like. Apparently, you can now jump into the middle of a fight and tie up an opposing player when he's in the middle of feeding your teammate punches during a fight.
@levelrideconceptsАй бұрын
Posposil = Cheap shot thrower
@brianshaughnessy4020Ай бұрын
He is the biggest coward in the league, And he has been for a couple of years.
@succbags3321Ай бұрын
@@brianshaughnessy4020 hes played a single year but yep you're right, 1 = couple of years
@FFFdogcrazyАй бұрын
Should just let Posposil go with Olivier 1 on 1......lol....
@Speakertweaker-tp4emАй бұрын
@@brianshaughnessy4020he would muck your bin bud
@eeronochoacorona8131Ай бұрын
Lomberg 😂
@MD76MACАй бұрын
Olivier is no joke. 10 minutes for fighting. 2 for...
@Unknownuser_791Ай бұрын
Stanley Cup Champion Ryan Lomberg 😂
@TenarefulАй бұрын
love when the announcers immediately switch into boxing commentators 10/10
@gohabs8918Ай бұрын
Lol two sport commentators in one game. Always enjoyed it. Best was the Roy Osgood fight
@BKHockeyTalk18 күн бұрын
Lomberg is the nicest guy on the planet. It# crazy how much of an animal he is on the ice
@AF-lq7qgАй бұрын
Olivier is one of the toughest in the league atm
@ronniek7748Ай бұрын
Nice to see Lomberg getting pounded…..again. He does have heart though.
@MD76MACАй бұрын
Great game. 🤣
@bradykrizanic1947Ай бұрын
Olivier is way too excited beating a guy half his act like you’ve been there before lol
@MegaMuleheadАй бұрын
👏👏👊👊
@jeantourangeau4635Ай бұрын
Clean hit !
@AngusArtEntertainmentАй бұрын
They can't always tell when it's live. They can't review 'em on the spot like we can with these videos.
@KevinSpencer-t4iАй бұрын
Are you blind or just stupid?
@bryanwilson839617 күн бұрын
They won’t want another fight! Too tired!
@Jay-py1owАй бұрын
It’s nice to see everyone give a shit about Columbus for a couple minutes, enough of that though, back to normal 🤣
@Burnt-Offering55Ай бұрын
Olivier the Killing Machine🤣 Wanna see him against Rempe👊👊👊
@braydensteller808Ай бұрын
He fought him last year and Olivier owned him
@Truckshack2005Ай бұрын
Lomberg used his face to block the punches.
@stuartatkinson4609Ай бұрын
That boarding call should have been a game misconduct
@KFARRАй бұрын
But like …. Why was there a fight ? Super clean hit
@carboncubssАй бұрын
Good acting by the flames player, looks like a soccer match hit.
@Avalanche8181Ай бұрын
Fighting after a clean hot is an absolute joke
@AngusArtEntertainmentАй бұрын
And what makes you so sure they could tell it was clean when it was LIVE? You forget, it's a fast game, and players don't get to review it on the spot, not like we can with these video clips. So it's only second nature to see a teammate down and decide to try and dish out some justice. Then again, the score could also play a factor, if one team is down and need that momentum shift. That was the case, too.
@Jayden-k9jАй бұрын
It’s out of respect for your teammate, and to show the other team that it won’t go unnoticed. You obviously have never played elite hockey. Take a seat keyboard warrior 😂
@Matthew19Vexthem11 күн бұрын
What in hockey is a clean hot? Lmao. I'm sure you meant hit
@ericlunger809012 күн бұрын
I’d take Olivier on my team anytime
@jounikyy7715Ай бұрын
crowd cries internet no fightin but in stadium they want blood and broken bones
@PedrosDosGrandosCanonasАй бұрын
?
@BoostWholesaleАй бұрын
this hanleys first day on the job or what ??
@irvinepoker3187Ай бұрын
Nathan Batsian gonna send him a case of beer after the game lol ( look up lomberg vs Bastian) lol
@tna420wrestlingАй бұрын
7:25 Lomberg is like "yeah, I got my ass kicked, WOOOOO HOOOO"
@Lee-f9w5vАй бұрын
The Ollivier hit behind the net was boarding! But 2 mins for that is a JOKE. And should be a suspension! If the refs did their job and the DOPS actually cared about safety not money then this would be a 10 game suspension to make an example.
@Fores-tgamАй бұрын
Кто не конченый КХЛ где бы вызволи охрану чтоб разнять 😂😂
@Daniel-36Ай бұрын
Credit to Lomberg!!! He took some big rights and gave them right back to Olivier.
@Matasky2010Ай бұрын
D man baits the forechecker into a penalty by keeping his back to him and not protecting himself, then lays on the ice like he was shot lol.
@camcioloАй бұрын
Love Olivier as a fighter.. but throwing a cheap shot and then beating up on a non fighter and showing no hold back is a soft look
@timothymacdonnell9079Ай бұрын
Awesome
@Shawshank_SrАй бұрын
2 min boarding and 2 min unsportsmanlike for the dive
@alschmidt8963Ай бұрын
That's a 3 game suspension for Oliver tomorrow
@MD76MACАй бұрын
Now do the Elvis fight. 🤣
@natanbegnini7545Ай бұрын
Could have happened line brawl, but probably the goalkeeper of Calgary is not to get involved in fights like this, otherwise the Merzilinks would make history fighting with one of the Calgary goalies
@EveryTimeIDavidАй бұрын
Bad hit by Olivier. Christiansen leveled Kuzmenko, though.
@tsifty1Ай бұрын
Pospisil needed big time help as he was watching his life pass away..
@stuartcox2346Ай бұрын
Backlunk was lucky to not get called for a third man in penalty.
@ardenherman4176Ай бұрын
Oliver's hit dirty . Suspension.deserving.
@yakivpopavichАй бұрын
The hit was clean. Cheering worthy.
@KevinSpencer-t4iАй бұрын
@@yakivpopavichit was in the numbers which makes it a penalty.
@jamescbender43081Ай бұрын
He got a penalty. Not suspension worthy.
@ericlunger809012 күн бұрын
Lomberg has guts tho
@mb9543Ай бұрын
Olivier is one tough hombre, but the hit was cheap. Shoulda been 5 and a game, then none of the other stuff wouldn't have happened. Refs = fail.
@davidstefano2709Ай бұрын
I’d argue Pospisil shouldn’t have felt the need to retaliate for what was a clean open-ice hit. He just started beating on a guy who’s literally never fought before.
@thegreatestfinesser2338Ай бұрын
You challenged Olivier big mistake 😅😅
@ericmattson3234Ай бұрын
That was the right call ! It’s about time they use common sense to make the call
@gohabs8918Ай бұрын
Hits 'em right in the numbers.. What a dork
@roatangiantАй бұрын
Lomberg🙌
@ericlunger8090Ай бұрын
Why does Columbus number 2 have to fight Pospisil after a totally clean hit? This is stupidity
@Jeanpaul-d4sАй бұрын
I see a third man in by Pachal so thats mean Arber Xhekaj is the only one who gets the penalty right?😂
@dominicmarchiano3115Ай бұрын
Why the NHL never calls third man in IDK. That shiest is dangerous
@matt4408Ай бұрын
94 was lucky guddy wasn’t there, taking cheap shots like that