Rough Rider Unit Review! | Astra Militarum Tactics

[@The_Nowhere_Man]

When you're losing but your Winged Hussars arrived

[@obscurian5156]

Sabaton, for the win.

[@shae98sc2]

Converting some of the Necromunda Van Saar hoverboarders as Rough riders. Because while horses may not fit the aesthetic of my Scions, hoverboards sure do!

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Rough Riders are one of the few reasons to take a Regimental Preacher - +1 to charge and re-roll all hits is absolutely perfect when you're making a risky charge and can't mess up the combat itself. Also - the Born Soldiers conundrum is basically because GW have created one super doctrine and every other doctrine-combo struggles to keep up. Why does Trophy Hunters take up 2 doctrine slots? Rough Riders with Trophy Hunters and Swift as the Wind would be fantastic and means the rest of your army doesn't suffer from sub-par regimental doctrine choices. Sort it out GW!!

[@craftermatt3609]

Okay, coming in with the custom doctrines: Swift as the wind combined with Recon Operators, giving them the order Move! Move! Move! OR Forwards for the Emperor can make them be able to charge an enemy 36 inches away or shoot even further. I ran a list with this set up and had all of the middle objects, charging the enemy frontline, and basically turn 1 having near complete map control.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

@@craftermatt3609 Awesome. Do you think a Death Rider Squadron Commander is worth it if running some Rough Riders to ensure they can keep getting Fix Bayonets when operating away from your battle line? Only 45 points and surprisingly tanky

[@craftermatt3609]

@No Name Oh Definitely! It's how I was giving them orders in the first place. And with everything added on they can be right in there with the pack holding an objective. The list I had been running was definitely a meme list but including some Artillery would probably have helped with overwatches too. And if you really want to double down on this style of play, could run Kreig Death Riders (only 2 less inches of movement for more melee) and run them in with a Lord Solar coming up with for additional buffing.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

@@craftermatt3609 Yeah its frustrating that the Krieg Death Riders didn't get Scything Momentum for a strength boost on the charge or an additional attack each, and they're stuck with a 4+WS and the old school hunting lances which are underpowered. I would settle for Death Riders as equal to Rough Riders if they got Scything Momentum and +1 attack and got the Death Korp mini-transhuman rule. They'd actually be decent then, tankier than Rough Riders but not quite so much punch on the charge but still really capable of doing work.

[@callum563]

Love the Rough Riders, I have been converting Empire Pistoliers and now have 2 10 model units of cavalry for my Preatorian Guard army and a small 5 model unit converted with Eshcar Necromunda models to look like Unicorn rough riders.

[@gdenight]

A. Compare/contrast video with Deathriders v Roughriders would be cool.

[@Johnnyboy19882]

Has anyone thought about using a Death Rider Commander to run with the rough riders as a budget lord solar? He can keep up with the riders. While he only has one order for fixed bayonets, since the squads are so fast and orders go out in the command phase they can spread out pretty easy to charge different targets.

[@highmarshalbalian680]

I saw an amazing conversation online of Krieg riding GSC dirt bikes and I’m going to take a crack at doing that for my Krieg army

[@highmarshalbalian680]

@DaLonelySheperd I haven’t, thank you

[@keineahnung9324]

small correction on the goat lance: Wound allocation happens after hit and wound rolls meaning you can do up to 6 mortal wounds with a goat lance on a sergeant because allocation happens after the hits explode.

[@andire28]

Goat Lance lol

[@keineahnung9324]

@@andire28 thats what it is :D

[@GrahamSlam]

The ability doesn't go off on wound allocation. It goes off on attack allocation like Mordian said.

[@TheSYLOH]

EDIT: I was wrong. Wound allocation, the mortal wounds come from ATTACK allocation. You can miss everything and you still inflict 3 mortals.

[@keineahnung9324]

@@TheSYLOH 3. ALLOCATE ATTACK If an attack successfully wounds the target unit, the player commanding the target unit allocates that attack to one model in the target unit (this can be to any model in the unit and does not have to be allocated to a model that is within range of, or visible to, the attacking model). If a model in the target unit has already lost any wounds or has already had attacks allocated to it this phase, the attack must be allocated to that model.

[@buddyboy7276]

If you go with brutal and veteran guerillas. With ctachan squads, rough riders ogryns and bullgryns you can actually build a feesible melee guard army

[@coltonlong7562]

I'm working on a melee capable list, but with swift instead of guerillas. 2 to move and 1 to charge on horses is killer!

[@Swrdfshtrmbns]

It would be cool if they had any synergy with a steel commissar.

[@markhohenbrink5230]

With the new Arks of Omen detachment not needing infantry, could there be a use for Death Riders as screening units. A full 30 would be the equivalent of 10 infantry squads with an extra pip of Toughness, 3 wounds and a 5+ fnp.

[@gobknobbler3465]

I am currently planning on testing a 20death rider list backed up by rough riders this weekend. Death Rider commanders and lord solar for orders and backed up by rapier laser destroyers

[@MrBlandUsername]

Think GW will ever actually release them?

[@kevlonk]

I remember once trying to make a themed Feudal Guard list for a friend. Under the current codex I really want to see it in action: just so many Rough Riders and Bullgryn backed up by Infantry Squads and artillery. While Guard are still not a melee army by any stretch of the imagination, Rough Riders are still a fantastic melee unit.

[@leontitz66]

I shall stay with the classic death rider. Way tougher and that's what I need

[@Bluecho4]

Love me some horsie bois. Really good for Guard players who aren't really interested in the vehicle part of the army, as it gives them ways to use their Fast Attack slots. Plus, there's nothing quite like the cavalry coming in to save the day. For those who don't mind building their armies using third party models, Rough Riders are easily proxied using historical miniatures. Perry Miniatures have tons of Napoleonic cavalry and dragoon kits that can fit the bill, assuming you've got some Napoleonic style foot Guardsmen (like Vostroyans) to back them up. I'd suggest them for Wargames Atlantic's "Les Grognards" kit, but apparently WA are planning to release their own set of _raptor cavalry_ for Les Grognards somewhere down the line. So, it ultimately depends on if you want some horse-riders now, or some reptile-riders later. (WA also has an Afghan Cavalry kit in the works, which can work well with their Afghan Warriors kit. I've had an urge to make an Afghan-style Guard army, for a bit of alternate aesthetic Tallarn.)

[@markdorn8873]

There are 3d printed options for 40k cavalry as well, but I recommend looking at Mad Robot Miniatures line of cavalry. They have several styles of horse and riders for sale.

[@FunkBastid]

I genuinely had to pause this vid and go rewatch the ride of the rohirrim

[@CatharsisChaser]

Reminder to equip your sergeants with the goad lances, 3 exploding attacks and a cheeky saber is too good to pass up. Also use small 5 man squads so you can use your larger armor (rogal dorn or baneblades) as mobile cover as you advance through no man’s land

[@jondotterer4770]

I am interested to hear your thoughts on how the Death Riders compare to the Rough Riders. Maybe a future video idea?

[@blecao]

As an historical player i cant say that i dont love cavalry, and i dont say it i love it and i love this unit

[@LeftNutOfSanguinius]

What about taking industrial efficiency and swift as the wind to make them a tad more durable, giving them more movement and a +1 to charge, casting nightshroud on them and psychic barrier and then sticking them into strategic reserves as a way to have a devastating charge on an opponents exposed flank in the mid to late game?

[@hotstile9001]

The part about the Goad Lance is untrue. An allocated attack, is an attack after a succesful wound roll. Your opponent does not suffer a mortal wound, just by you pointing at them.

[@sephrus7784]

I can see myself taking a 5 or 6 man unit to babysit my arty against deep strikers.

[@Dan-gw9gd]

They're area denial that's pretty much where units such as them Excel. Take the melts Lance's put them in some heavy cover and watch your opponent not being able to move within 12" of them

[@WeOnlyEatSoup]

Getting a full squad of these guys for sure

[@birkkarlsson3989]

Putting the goad Lance on the Sargeant makes it amazing

[@FunkBastid]

Another buff they get is the thunderous charge stratagem, so a squad of 10 with 2 goad lances should put 9 mortal wounds on a vehicle without rolling a single attack dice.

[@GrahamSlam]

Most vehicles are greater than toughness 6 though so that doesn't work.

[@FunkBastid]

@@GrahamSlam I totally forgot that they changed it from from a 4+ to a T=/>1 roll. You’re right.

[@juliodiaz1097]

Question: How do you feel of mixing these riders with the death riders? 2 cav units of melta with 2 death units for anti horde. With a death rider commander and rider cmd squad. Or do you see it as one or the other?

[@daylinpenrod2492]

I'd love to see these compared to death korp of krieg death riders

[@damnationdan5253]

Tried both: I miss my death riders

[@recoveringlibertarian5982]

I kitbash my cavalry, they look great . 💂 player's love rule of cool more than 🥇.

[@joshuajones6295]

How do they interact with inflexible command?

[@venkelos6996]

I have to say I have long been disparaging of the Rough Riders; they've always felt so anachronistic, riding horses while other guys ride bikes, and when they disappeared from the codex, and GSC got bikers they stole from the local PDF, I was really hoping that it meant Guard might get bikes...but no. I also whined because they broke regiment theme. You're playing Cadians, or Vostroyans, or Catachan; here's these Attilan guys who don't match, or offer much for kit-bashing into the other proper regiment. Lastly, Guard were among the only force who said "leaders can't be upgraded; aging Farseers can mount up on jetbikes, as can Space Marines Captains, who might also grab a jump pack, bur Guard stay on foot." It always felt like several weird disconnects. Saying all that, I think they have rebounded surprisingly well, in 9e. Their lances are good, and mti-use. They can receive Orders, and feel integrated into the army. HQs don't work the same, and so it's not so strange that one can't mount up to ride with them, and since Cadian, Cata, and Krieg can all appear in the same force, now, the Attilan garb doesn't bother me as much, though kit-bashing them to theme would still be preferable, as would kit-bashing GSC Jackals into Cadian Bikers, and using these rules, but I'm trying to improve my disposition.😊 The new models also look really good, all in all. I'm hoping o e of your next videos will maybe cover the Primaris Psyker? Earlier me was frequently let down by their crap, with everyone just taking Astropaths, who are never meant to serve as we use them, while the PP was not efficient. Inquisitors were arguably cool, and Votann got a new, decent Psyker unit, in the form of the Grimnyr, so I'm hoping the Guard PP is maybe better then it used to be? I get there are limits; she's still human stats, with no awesome gear. They don't get psychic hoods, or really powerful effects, and it's been a long time since Force weapons were awesome, but as a wizard among the Ogryns, I'm always keen to see decent psyker units, and even if this one is mostly just doing Nightshroud, psychic actions, and naybe farming CP?, I'd be happy. I've seen a few battle reports, and they don't just take the Emperor's cell phones,but they don't usually grab the battle psyker, either, and I don't know if it's because they are competing for HQ slots, or just not worth it?

[@christianmelendez7381]

Are these guys in 9th edition? How can you even get models for them? I must be blind, because I can't find them in the gw store or in forgeworld which only has the death korps riders.

[@MrPipolix]

I already printed 5 Counts As using the Valorous Korps Shock cavalry and a Mounted Commissar to ride for ruin and the world's end

[@FunkBastid]

Hell yeah

[@MrPipolix]

@@FunkBastid Krieg supremacy

[@FunkBastid]

@@MrPipolix as a tallarn fan, I must disagree but I respect the hustle.

[@JRedMage]

I love the "idea" of these guys, sadly, however the new Sentinel is one of my favorite units in the game period.

[@jayteegamble]

I've been rocking sentinels since 5th and now they look to not be terrible for a change!

[@JRedMage]

@jayteegamble I haven't played since 3rd ed when I worked at a gw store but I came into a massive amount of store credit so I picked up Cadia stands and ordered 6 russ and 18 sentinals.

[@MrGhaundan]

You're wrong about the goadlance. Very wrong. Look up the core rules. Attacks are allocated after it has succesfully wounded.

[@puenboy1]

Remember when Rough Riders got their datasheet previewed and the entire fanbase went into meltdown and doomsaying and now it came out with zero changes and literally nobody cares

[@Woki-Toki911]

Their power is balanced fairly well with their fragility. It's not some bullshit unit that can do everything and be unkillable. They kill easily, they die easily.

[@nathangreig5884]

I need to get me some Horse bois!

[@blecao]

Enters a 1000 points game deploys 30 rougth riders charge kill a lot dies to counteratack leaves refuse to elaborate

[@Toastinfingers]

I hope I can swap their ugly heads with the skitarii vanguard heads.

[@WojekSiren]

*Avoid Mass Cavalry Charge* I always wanted to witness a 40k Charge of Rohan at least once

[@pabloalonsolasagabaster658]

As a guard player, I think this is OP hahah tipical 9th edition power creep XD. But other armies also have absurdly powerful units soo... who cares! XD

[@Lerbrandt]

Mordian Glory is very wrong on the Goad Lance interaction against vehicles. Please do not cheat like that against your opponents people. "Allocating Attack" is done after the wound roll sequence, meaning the Goad Lance has to hit, then wound, then be allocated against a vehicle by the controlling player. Core rules.