Superheavy Showdown! Which one is BEST? | Astra Militarum Tactics

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[@MordianGlory]

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[@briansteiner2886]

There's something that wasn't taken into account, and that is leaving me with this nagging question. Is an army of superheavies actually viable for playing? I mean for 2000ish points: 4 tanks have 120 wounds at T9 with a 2+ save, helped out by all the free wargear, along with each tank having at least 6 HB/HF and 2 LC for supplemental shooting, plus regiment traits for obsec/extra gun range/auto wound on 6s/etc, and include at least one tank ace trait for orders. I think that would be a pretty effective list for only taking four models.

[@gilesparkes2922]

Reviewing the Stormlord - battlebus, reminds me of the Red Vs Blue quote: "I knew you could pick up chicks in a tank"

[@StevenZagaris]

Stormlord with 1 unit of Ogryn Ripper Gun firing deck and a unit of Bullgryn with Mauls to jump out + Commissar

[@markdorn8873]

STILL NOT ENUFF DAKKA!

[@Redlurk3]

OR 10 HEAVY Weapons squads w auto cannons and afore mentioned bullgryn and commissar. 20 STR 7 Auto cannons shots 😂

[@StevenZagaris]

@@Redlurk3 only 1 unit gets to fire from the deck each turn

[@Redlurk3]

@@StevenZagaris that is a terrible rule! 9th edition?

[@StevenZagaris]

@@Redlurk3 ya, firing deck got nerfed in 9e codex to only 1 unit. Seems like Ogryn Ripper Guns or Bulgryn nade gauntlets are the way to go nowadays

[@user-mh9xy8xj6p]

I think, what you have overlooked is changes in AoO: Superheavy now gets doctrines. So, you pick born soldiers and then FOR 1CP buff your big tank to autowound on 5+. This means, that sponson heavy bolters will autowound 66% of the time. This skyrockets big tanks damage output. At average, if shoot main weapon on dreadnoght and sponsons on marines, you will kill about 450 points, which is almost big tanks cost.

[@lordcastellan4735]

Stormblade is the best. Not for its stats or profile. It's awesome because of looks.

[@JohnnyRico118]

I really want to take the Stormblade because I like plasma stuff, but they haven't updated the profile to include turret weapon, or to buff the amount of shots it gets (should be 2D6+6 shots).

[@davidboatwright8688]

Agreed. Stormblade looks fantastic, unfortunately most people seem to have forgotten it exists.

[@alexandercain8904]

8:33 Baneblade 15:25 Hellhammer 19:36 Banesword 23:40 Shadowsword 29:29 Stormsword 34:11 Banehammer 38:50 Doomhammer 44:40 Stormlord No Stormblade? Pity..

[@rileyernst9086]

I remember watching a battle report from ole 7th edition. Renegade Shadowsword fired scattered off a warehouse titan and vapourised 2 imperial knights in a single shot.

[@rileyernst9086]

Warhound stupid autocorrect

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

@@rileyernst9086 I prefer ‘warehouse Titan’, that is a brilliant image :)

[@rileyernst9086]

Too true

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

I am disappointed that there is not a consistent naming convention for these tanks All of the specialist should be swords, all the generalist should be blade, and all the transports should be hammer

[@psduke]

Fully agree. BUT the transports should be named Swords, the generalists named Hammers and the specialists named Blades! Maybe we need a MG live stream poll to settle the matter? 🤣

[@NoName-lo9ym]

I didn't think about that but that's a really good point 👍🏻

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

@@psduke I would agree, but the HEAVIEST hitters, the specialists, should be named Hammers, the all-rounders swords, and the transports named Blades, for parting a way through the enemy for their honourable infantrymen! Harrumph! BUT, the Shadowsword should remain exactly as it is, because it’s name is too cool to change- any and all confusion this may cause is worth it for the name! >:(

[@whitemiasma5288]

@@tomgeytenbeek2207 I am taking a Shadowsword to a tournament soon!

[@stonelane1827]

Stormlord is my all time fav tank and all because it has a Vulcan Mega-Bolter everything else is gravy.

[@stormraven8484]

Well as a owner of a baneblade and the shadow sword yes I use use the shadow sword on larger table and look at the nervous looks from knights players

[@stormraven8484]

Or it could be I don't play tournaments andi do play at between 3k to 5k lists with my friends that have been playing since the 90's

[@AndrBR0]

You can also utilize Pound them to dust order on Baneblade to maximize number of shots

[@crundle1328]

This video actually convinced me I like the shadowsword. If I ever buy one of these big ol tanks I'd probably build stormlord or a shadowsword.

[@whitemiasma5288]

Just bought one, and will be building and taking the Shadowsword to a tournament soon!

[@nukkinfuts6550]

I play Blood Angels but i love this channel to keep up on date with the Imperial cannonfodder

[@philliplewis946]

Y’know, while I will always love baneblades and their variants, I think it’s worth talking about other “lords of war” slot choices, even if they’re not as good, just to see how they interact with modern guard and how to apply them in the 9 1/2 Ed guard force

[@JaySharp604]

No Stormblade? I know it's a forgeworld model, and it's in the Imperial Armour books, but worth a look at. Also, it's in your thumbnail for this video clip.

[@blackwolf671]

Iv got a friend thats been going back and forth on a tallarn army the last few years. I keep trying to talk him into a Stormlord. The ability to Hose down the center objective, Roll up and Spew out 40 obsec bodies or some mix of Guard and Ogryn is just invaluable. Pair that up with some Russ or Dorn's that can take over the normal anti-armor duties And its a very solid choice in an armored/mechanized company.

[@santaclauseking]

This is good to know. I plan to build an ig army some time in the future and was thinking tallarn for the theme.

[@blackwolf671]

@@santaclauseking Looks like it might be even better in 10th, with Baneblades and their variants providing cover to the units behind them.

[@David-li4uw]

Shadowsword is as much of a psychological weapon as it is a regular weapon

[@Shaso-xv3tw]

I feel like the Storm Sword is specifically for clearing power armored units out of cover, I think it’ll probably be useful against marines and equivalent forces.

[@harrylane7817]

Considering how expensive they are, the take all comers ones are the go to for me! The big gun needs to be able to take on elite infantry or tanks. The Baneblade is iconic and will always have a place in my heart. The Banesword is the best at the moment since it’s so cheap. The Stormsword would be more interesting but you get a similar output from duct taping two cheaper (and have more synergies in the book) Leman Russ Demolishers together. All the others are too specialised and the transport ones pay for a capacity you might not be using. Give me a Baneblade any day of the week!

[@rileyernst9086]

I think your conclusions about the stormsword suits the lore really well. The steel legion(or the gryphonne forge world, maybe)lacked volcano cannons for damaged shadowswords and were like: giant cannon 🤷

[@tomgeytenbeek2207]

Always works 🤷‍♂️

[@scareypete13]

The Shadowsord got done dirty. It used to be 3d3. They should have kept that many shots or switched to 1d6+3 to keep it's firepower consistent.

[@robertnathan5250]

Completely agree on shadowsword. That volcano cannon 1 shotted a knight every turn in an Apocalypse game i had recently. It is a beast in that regard 😁

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Who would benefit the most of sitting on a firing deck blasting away - which unit of muscleheaded goons only have a 5+ save... Ahhh - OGRYNS!! Aggressive Doomhammering for the win. A 6 man Ogryn unit (taking up 18 out of 25 seats) can sit in there quite happily blasting away ignoring any incoming fire. What would have been good is if they added the Mobile Command vehicle benefit to the transport 'Hammers so you could keep a command squad in the remaining seats safe and happy. Why would a gigantic super heavy not have the same radio set up as a tiddly Chimera?

[@StevenZagaris]

Just have the commissar exit with the Ogryns. Im planning to have a unit of ripper guns remain in firing deck while bullgryns with mauls storm out of my Stormlord.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

@@StevenZagaris Hell yes brother 💪🏻. If you're going to go big you may as well go REALLY BIG

[@tomsutton2042]

My main rule is ignore damage 2 weapons on big guns, but that might just because I keep getting burned on my melee characters and plasma guns.

[@jpgrier9967]

My "Tan" Stormsword, Huzzah for Function over Form, all hail our Volvo made Super heavy.

[@samyeru6692]

Stormhammer all the way. The tank with all the guns !

[@Pheonix0998]

I've always been partial to the plasma blast gun of the ....... Shadowsword I think, been a while and the editions have changed since I was playing back in 2004 and it was a forgeworld model for special interests but I'm a plasma spammer all the way.

[@urthofthenewsun8465]

I’m pretty sold on the Stormlord for my Steel Legion squads. I just hope the Chimeras don’t feel jealous

[@stillunsure7630]

Interesting that your looking at them independently! What of multiple super heavies together?

[@tomyorke3412]

What about the Stormblade. For me its always been about the plasma blast gun i love imperial guard plasma

[@joelpratley9248]

BB with Pound Them To Dust is a good way to get around the swing. 10 marines can cop max shots.

[@pabloalonsolasagabaster658]

The banesword would be the coolest one if it wasn´t because of the fact that the turret looks like it cannot turn ! It looks fixed ! hahah that makes no sense! I can not unsee it now.

[@robertcypress6604]

The fixed gun vehicles feel like self propelled guns to me.

[@luciusrex6709]

Will you be doing a video for the Forge World super heavy options?

[@DarrinSK]

Now I am considering replacing 4 chimeras in my planned mechanized infantry list with a storm lord.

[@keyne444]

Not gonna lie, the Banesword is looking very tasty right now. Also, I wouldn't cry about the Volcano Cannon not having invulnerability breaks, or the Baneblade having a weaker cannon than the Dorn... BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RUSS VANQUISHER! >:)

[@ChrisS-fh7zt]

Always liked the Macharius

[@StevenZagaris]

No turret weapon rule though so hitting on 4s with only 22 wounds @T8. I guess its worth it at 340 pts.

[@TheFaction001]

love your content mr glory we are the imperial guard, its time we start acting like it

[@RFischer]

Two points about all these Super heavies. 1) Not one can come in as reserve unless you wish to sit still for a whole turn not shooting or doing anything. With their sponsons they are 7 inches wide! 2) Good luck moving any of them on the terrain rich boards that are used these days. That mean if you do fill one with transport capacity it won't be able to move the troops up table. So just sit back and screen off a 25-inch section of your table edge from deep strikers. Make sure you take guns with 48 inches of range. 36 might be enough.

[@heckinmemes6430]

"I can pack my whole army in this!" "Ok." *Delete* "Fuck."

[@desgildanphi8825]

The classic bb is the best cheap with good amount of guns

[@alexandercain8904]

I'm still irritated about the Shadowsword not being able to ignore invulnerable saves.

[@Toastinfingers]

I believe if you combine the Doomhammer with heavy flamers it could be useful up close

[@joshuacollins5860]

I'm considering that, but it could potentially explode for up to 2D6 + D6 MW meaning you don't want it surrounded by a lot of your stuff. Still, having a baby Shadowsword titan killer melta weapon littered with dual flamer sponsons and infantry firing down off the back deck is something your opponent just can't ignore.

[@miafillene4396]

Stormhammer. Nothing says love like quad battle cannons, and up to eight las cannons. And a stubber.

[@JackFrost008]

I have a stormblade and another superheavy destroyer I don't know which to build yet...

[@calbrown5355]

My baneblade in a supremely glorious moment killed half a squad of sanguinary guard with power fists in overwatch then crushed the rest of them under track. Very very satisfying.

[@The_Nowhere_Man]

So you're saying the Stormlord is... a Beigeblade?

[@LCFC81]

The only song you should sing when wielding a typical guard super heavy: Picking up speed, running out of time, Going head to head, it's a way of life. You gotta fall down, meet ground, to get back up again. Let's Baneblade...

[@Crivicus]

The shadow sword made more sense when the board size was bigger, and even more sense when playing the apocalypse game mode. Now it is just too long range a weapon without enough shots to justify it on the smaller infantry and melee focussed tables today. The Hellhammer and Stormsword with the extra sponsons are probably the super heavies worth taking now unless you want an excuse to yell BANEBLADE! Your comments on the Stormlord does make it more tempting - the biggest downside is its size makes it hard to move around the board which always puts me off for a transport.

[@troyjernigan5303]

1) I appreciate you being honest about certain tanks not being super competitive, even if they are well liked. 2) I'm glad to hear my boy Stormsword is hot. It's been my favorite since the kit first came out.

[@nc1297]

The most major issue of the mandatory sponsons is now you can't put it in SR without being wider than 6in. SUper sad to discover this

[@tomasdawe9379]

Put them both on the same side?

[@chae7684]

@@tomasdawe9379 thats completely cursed but technically I can't see anything wrong with building your baneblade with both sponsons on the same side

[@jamesloder8652]

@MordianGlory would you say the Stormswordmight be a... Beigeblade?

[@gamingborger]

i have and love my hellhammer

[@chadrobinson2693]

Missed the arkurian pattern

[@77gunslinger77]

I really want a Shadowsword on my mantle, but I hate that I agree with the "Too Specialized"... I feel like I'd be better off adding a Banesword to the Baneblade/Stormlord in my parking lot

[@whitemiasma5288]

Would you happen to know what the current points cost for these things is? Need I pay for the first two mandatory sponsions? I have just become confused...

[@77gunslinger77]

@@whitemiasma5288 The first 2 are included, the second pair costs you. The wording is tricky, because they're sold by the pair, but priced individually. For the few weeks we have left with 9th, anyway

[@whitemiasma5288]

@@77gunslinger77 Thank you for answering friend. I was asking because I just bought one and was getting it ready to take to my first tournament; and wow doesn't that 40 points make a difference! Going to build it as a Shadowsword. My thinking is that, being it is nearing the end of an edition, it may be that people cast their apprehensiveness over taking big centerpiece models to the wind, and a Shadowsword seems to my tiny mind to be a great way of stamping that right out.

[@77gunslinger77]

@@whitemiasma5288 Hopefully the Toughness revamp in 10th will make the differences in the main guns a little more varied. If Stompas are the new Toughness cap, you can't tell me the Guard aren't prepared for that...

[@InquisitorBaneblade]

Hold the line

[@sephrus7784]

Storm blade. Who doesn't like a super plasma blaster? Except maybe GW because they haven't updated it to match the codex tanks.

[@ben8883]

Please keep in mind, GW already said the first pair of sponsons are already baked into the base cost and are free, so you don't take the first pair into account with point cost

[@ericmats4662]

they did? wut?

[@marcusaroberts]

Can we get a link to this please? Cheers!

[@traitorouskin7492]

TIS' A BANEBLADE.! If you've not seen it Russian badgers review of Space Marine and space hulk is good for a laugh. I feel bad mentioning another you tuber in your comments. I apoligize if its bad form. Cheers Mordian. Ta.

[@jamesloder8652]

@MordianGlory the plural of Lord of War is Lords of War, not Lord of Wars :P

[@freakystyley8334]

Favourite Superheavy is still the Marauder Destroyer. It's absolute trash and I love it.

[@wyattswag3718]

What about the storm hammer?

[@dxpsumma383]

Banesword is the best, plain and simple

[@lMrJackl]

4 (or 5?) superheavy tournament list when?

[@whitemiasma5288]

My brain can't take it!!!

[@whitemiasma5288]

Great video.

[@rileyernst9086]

My rescue blade because I got it for cheaps off ebay, that goes for my rescuecharius as well. I'm not stingy. You're stingy.

[@scottwyand]

Taunar supremacy suit for the win lol

[@nein4599]

Let's count... I am about to paint my first one, and have 4 more pre paintet 😂 Who has more?

[@aestrella87x]

How do you have a pic of a stormblade but dont talk about it?

[@AncientRylanor69]

Ba

[@buryitdeep]

Banesword all day. Pick a squad and delete it.

[@radiationpony8449]

you put the Stormblade on the thumbnail but dont go over it in the video? shame, it's the cheapest stug type