Rows in families about land in Ireland-uniquely Irish?

[@RedOakCrow]

My family lost any land we had a long time ago but recently a neighbour inherited a farmhouse along with land and money and went berserk when he discovered that his siblings also received some money, he felt that bc he worked the farm with his uncle all his life that he should be entitled to everything, greed knows no bounds.

[@EXTREME4YEARSTOCOME]

Not majorly surprised by this Terry but its good to hear your input on it. My mother is the eldest of 4 from a 40ac holding of mixed land with old open sheds and a 3 bedroom cottage dwelling, basically nothing special or exceptional. She always had a love for the place of which I share. Her other siblings only saw it as a burden and "the source of all the ill in their lives". Animosities started when my grandmother went into a home in 2006. They gave her sh!t for years basically implying she was stupid and selfish for wanting to hold on to her portion. When my grandmother died in 2012 of course it all kicked off, they made numerous threats of selling the whole thing, dividing it up into lots, selling it for sites etc but never followed through. My mother approached them a number of times over the years to buy out their portions for at least the market value. They wouldn't accept it and threw it back in her face repeatedly with the line "I think it should be worth more" despite constantly saying how they "just wanted their money for their portion". The situation remains the same today with the only difference being that poor decision making and money management meant the youngest sibling was forced to sell her portion in 2019 with my mother being miraculously being able to purchase it despite much protest and unsavoury communications from the other 2. Despite her now being a 1/2 owner the other 2 still remain unchanged and are in fact even more bitter and unpleasant to deal with feeling they are "hard done by". My own view on it is they don't want it and don't know what to do with it, but what they do know is they don't want her to have it . They endlessly complain about wanting to put and end to the situation and "not wanting to pass on the mess to the next generation" yet refuse engage in a constructive manner with their standard excuse being they they think it should be worth more with absolutely 0 basis for it. In relation to the situation you discussed, While I am of course not condoning violence, Based on my own (or rather my mothers) situation I can understand why people resort to it in these cases. I'm sure there are people reading/watching who have/had worse scenarios then this. Thanks for reading.

[@chrislambert9435]

It'd be worse if your Mum's relatives were left Living on the property in-situ

[@mariannugent3179]

The film the field comes to mind.

[@Anrirua]

The original Yellowstone. No sexy mommas, just short ars*s threatening to gender change with rusty razor blades 😂

[@masterofnone520]

It does and it will always be the same, always.

[@addy2757]

Richard Harris delivers a powerful and compelling performance as The Bull McCabe in The Field. He embodies the character with such intensity and authenticity that he truly brings McCabe to life on screen. Harris captures the deep, almost primal connection The Bull has with the land-a connection that drives his actions and motivations throughout the film. His portrayal is both physically commanding and emotionally nuanced, conveying not just McCabe's raw strength and determination but also his vulnerability and desperation as he fights to hold onto what he believes is rightfully his. Harris's ability to convey the character's complex inner turmoil, while simultaneously projecting a formidable exterior, makes his performance unforgettable. The Bull McCabe is not just a man fighting for land; he is a man fighting for his identity, his heritage, and his very sense of self, and Harris encapsulates all of these layers with remarkable skill. All imagined, of course, but 100% accurate in his mind's eye.

[@williamh5103]

An amazing film and unfortunately so true to life.

[@thepoliticalhousethatjackbuilt]

It does happen in the UK because the value of good farmland is much higher than that of an urban property. But it is deeper than that in places like Ireland or Wales. My family are Welsh, we had family land and it had been in the family for hundreds of years. My Uncle who held the land when I was a child would tell me "you have the land to pass it on", despite a lifetime of struggle to keep hold of it to fulfill that "duty" it was compulsory purchased by the Government; He never recovered from that and took his own life two years later. The connection to the land runs deep, very deep especially in Countries under "occupation" (or former occupation) and in areas where good land is scarce; I understand the passion but it can be taken to far, for me there is so much more to life than land.

[@joesod]

in Ireland it is much easier to sell off portions as sites and build houses on it than in UK so that probably results in more of these disputes. You are very restricted what you can do with farmland in UK compared to Ireland because of strict planning laws , you can basically only farm it so the potential for land disputes is much less

[@masterofnone520]

@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 there is that!

[@michaelcorrigan4625]

When the land was divided up into small parcels that could increase the amount of potential disputes. One family owning ten thousand acres is one potential dispute. Ownership in twenty or thirty acre parcels of land could increase the probability of falling out in families?

[@Dreyno]

This is the case. And the historic unavailability of land to rent due to tenants becoming owners.

[@columlynch4229]

I once met an elderly farmer in a rural hardware shop which was in its final days of business and his advice to me was that its better to leave the entire farm to one person . A farm of 100 acres is always better than 10 fàrms of 10 acres.

[@hilltop521]

@@columlynch4229 Thier may be inheritance tax implications on big holdings

[@masterofnone520]

@@hilltop521 True, but perhaps our laws of inheritance needs to be looked at.

[@Zionrepublic]

It's not a unique irish thing. It's a global issue with families and greed.

[@Dreyno]

Irish farms, due to historical land ownership issues, were/are extremely small. Even now the average farm is only 33.5 hectares (82 acres). That means that for a given area, you will have more disputes due to the sheer amount of farms. It also means there is always a desire for more land that farmers with bigger holdings aren’t as motivated by.

[@chrislambert9435]

Yes, every one is after something

[@patrickpiranha4912]

Hi Terry, Another great video from you exploring an issue I find very interesting and have often discussed within my own family. Funnily enough I was speaking with my mother just the other day about this very topic. Whilst in principle the general issue of land ownership and succession affects the entire globe, in my view there is most definitely a disproportionately higher incidence of particularly acrimonious intra-familial disagreement in Ireland. As you have pointed out, this is predominantly in an agricultural context, whether it be signing over of the farmhouse and outbuildings/steadings OR division of land across an entire family, more often than not there appears to be quite considerable disagreement. When you factor in the level of violence that can often escalate, this is for me what marks out from other countries. I live in Scotland and there are ofcourse disagreements about who should get what whence farms are being carved up but there does not appear the same level of lurch toward crossing the threshold into brutality. As you are aware there have been a litany of high profile cases in rural Ireland with individuals buried under milking parlours etc The true reasons for this are most probably multi-faceted but, as you have alluded to, I have always believed that the underpinning of these disputes is the fundamental imperialist control exerted under Ireland's colonising power, the consequences of which still lingering to this day. In my own wider family we have had 2 major incidences of this phenomenon - one in The North on a farm in Armagh.and the other on a large dairy farm estate near Carrickmacross. In the latter case, for some 50 years 2 brothers fought and argued daily, owing to disagreement over ownership of the farm and it's direction (one brother owned and lived on the farm, the other lived off farm but laboured on it) In the former, a woman whom married in to the family managed to legally divert the farm down her own line. Neither case saw anyone killed, thank goodness (though there were serious threats) nevertheless they led to a lifetime of bitterness and division. Keep up the good work - thoroughly enjoy listening to your considered musings on all topics.

[@andrewmellon5072]

Thank you for another interesting and enjoyable video. Its caused by expectation and sense of entitlement. I saw a major row about one cousin buying family land that theother expected to buy. Both big farmers in Ontario, in the early 70s when there were hired men all faced each other with guns but the cops intervened and arrested everyone the women had to milk the cows.

[@martinnaughton6572]

Good video Terry, Farming is a hard life not very profitable some people may know nothing about land but when a farm or lands are willed or in some cases no wills made, every one connected are out for there share , it causes a lot of trouble and hatred in families its a old fashioned thing in Ireland.

[@marianhunt8899]

It's the same all over the globe. People have always fought over land, homes, resources etc, from royalty to peasants.

[@EamonAdams]

There does seem to be a lot of cases, as you mention. But here in Korea there are just as many if not more... family members who haven't spoken to each other for years, fighting, and the likes. Much the same for wills after the death of parents. As soon as the funeral is finished, and sometimes before, the fun can begin! I agree with you that it is sad to see, especially when it divides families for generations.

[@angelaw4914]

Great topic to bring up Terry as it affects a lot of people in Ireland I have seen people stop at nothing in disputes over assets, not necessarily land in Ireland. It rips families apart Some countries have forced heirship which means the amount family gets in the will is set out by the law of the land. In two family wills in such countries I have seen, the will has been sorted without any family dispute, which is amazing to me being from Ireland and the fighting I have seen over wills

[@Prometheus_43]

Thanks for giving a solictors viewpoint on this. Unfortunately it's common enough as you say, I suppose it's hard to just pin it down to just one factor, but in my experience of hearing about these type of cases locally, it boils down to two things, miscommunication (intentional or otherwise) and greed and/or unrealistic expectations.

[@havinganap]

Dunno about rural-specific, but the land disputes in Tokyo are epic. Parents die and kids squabble for years over the plot (that they bought in the seventies or early eighties for feck all). Interestingly the houses are expected to be replaced every thirty years and are considered worthless.

[@diarmuidkeane1]

Isn't there a thing in Japan about nobody wanting a house that people die in? That would add yet another complication to the property market

[@thomasburke2683]

It used be said that in Japan, homes were so expensive that they were purchased with multi generational mortgages, seventy years or more. Have we been misled?

[@havinganap]

@@thomasburke2683 That is certainly not typical, I have heard the banks are trying to offer this in the 1980s when house flipping was rampant at the height of the bubble,, but never heard of anyone actually doing it., you would essentially be handing a huge chunk of equity to the bank and taking all of the not inconsiderable downside risk: house price growth in Japan is negative and has been for years.

[@paulconnolly7437]

“Land is all that matters “ This is the title of a recently published book by Myles Dungan .

[@terrygorry]

Yes, saw it recently in a book shop in Clonakilty 👍

[@paulmayo2948]

I've noticed some people don't seem to consider the consequences of their will and divisive as a result

[@rsh793]

That's true enough - or change it regularly to reflect what's happening in life

[@kieranosullivan02]

One man died last year from cancer, but he said he wasn't going to make a will. "They can fight over it" he said while telling certain people he was giving them the house, farm etc His older brother in his 80s ended up getting everything due to no other close relations

[@Anrirua]

Great to see you tackle topical cases Terry, in the general, not particular. What makes you so different to almost any other solicitor is that you're a seasoned commercial mind and a tangler (no offence meant but woukd offend most delicate legal egos). All solicitors know the legal mechanisms (as they should, but some better than others) but very very few have any real world experience. Of commerce, tax, haggling, negotiating, and a myriad other savvy skills. Oh, they THINK they do, but they are trapped in the legal silo. Thats a valuable box of tricks, but its suboptimal if deployed alone. And hey they can't drive loaders!! ❤ Wishing you continued success Terry.

[@terrygorry]

Thanks a lot 👍

[@michaellynch1523]

It's not just Ireland, Africa is worse with fighting between clans over grazing and water rights. This results in the mass killing of whole villagers and the raiding of their cattle and possession. Sometimes taking over whole areas of neighbouring lands

[@frankhynd885]

Farm land disputes are quite common in Costa Rica where the owner has had two common law spouses and two sets of children with inheritance disputes. There are also problems between neighbors over farm boundaries and fences especially if farm animals and dogs roam and cause crop damage to a neighbor. The police come quickly to prevent physical attacks when a reported land dispute is about to explode.

[@victorocallaghan6791]

Love the cover photo of you going for a stroll on Dursey Island. A beautiful place

[@seantwomey3035]

Very simple,parents make a will,when they pass on,the house will be sold and divided by 3,problem sorted,if one wants to buy out the other 2 then that's ok and all should be happy

[@Anrirua]

Not simple at all. Land is megabucks and the lads working it, at that age have no dough and no collateral to buy out anything.

[@michaelrispin3298]

Try Asia . That's a whole other level. The origins are different but how they escalate and the lasting hate/bitterness have similarities.

[@bastogne315]

People are living longer. Fathers are getting crankier...people are taking advantage. I had a neighbour tell me he owned one of my fields when m father died. Said my grandfather said his grandfather could have it back in 1945....but they never got round to putting pen to paper. Holy god!!!

[@Anrirua]

Hi Volodymyr, tell Vlad to go and sh1te 😂

[@CharlieMcdaid]

Usually there are a couple of solicitors in the mix which doesn't help things there looking to make the case worse

[@marianhunt8899]

What is legally documented is all that matters. If it ain't legally written down it means nothing in a court of law.

[@jamesflanagan7446]

Its a complicated traditional thing also, long time ago there were large families with lots of children, parents and grandparent's often lived in same house, the strongest or eldest son was often in line because of work involved and parents often died young, other parts of ireland the youngest got the land ! Marriages were often arranged etc and these issues often have to be considered

[@mickdaly2778]

One of the eldest sons (normally) is in a privileged position. Initially gets handed some land so already has solicitors in place. Then takes advantage of such existing legal relationships to take other parts of the property, incl. Houses/ Sites which parents at one point had in mind for others. Pure greed!

[@Derrmo]

100% agree it's greed

[@jacks7461]

And then when one of your brothers is a Barrister and was trying to get my Dad to sign poa in secret....

[@grainnedalton3448]

the law reguarding wills does not seem to be clear, if a mother or father leaves the land / house to one person it should be enforceable, also in small towns banks and other institutions including county councils are too willing to extend loans and grants to people who do not own the property, i recently looked up a grant for getting a roof fixed and it said on the application form tick box who owns the home? you or your family owns it a landlord an approved housing body if there's a dispute then 'you or your family' is a dishonest but valid answer

[@marianhunt8899]

If its not legally agreed and documented, it's just someone telling a lie and means absolutely nothing in a court of law.

[@aidenfay2116]

Cant offer an answer. But it takes me back to the film The Field.

[@tomthetaxi-n1l]

its kerry coop shares that have families split down the middle in kerry limerick area land not so much any more

[@joesod]

isn't there a big tax bill to be paid with those though? or does CGT get wiped on death I think I read?

[@milomaguire6825]

My brother’s father is part of family in a farm in Co.limerick where all of the land all went to the eldest son. The eldest son inherited 1000 acres of land. The eldest son will not give anything to his younger brother and sister who is not entitled to any land.

[@colinjohnston6601]

Is your brother's father also your father? and the son who got the land also your brother?

[@lexzoolia1]

Uncle dad

[@hilltop521]

Unusual one a 1000 ac is a hugh amount as far as I see 7ft x 3ft is all we need and everyone ran ern

[@trishaprett7721]

Surely the owner of the land has a legal right to leave the land to whoever he chooses.

[@Monaleenian]

@paddymurphy-oconnor8255Not necessarily. His “brother” might be a half brother rather than a full brother. They might have the same mother but different fathers.

[@yeah7598]

Terry Land and property defines a persons status and the respect he gets in rural Ireland. Cheating or robbing a person of land is the worst form of disrespect to a person in rural Ireland. It destroys the dignity respect and status of that person. It reduces his worth and value in the eyes of others. It leads to that man being disrespected and treated like dirt. It is almost the equivalent of killing a man.

[@williamh5103]

I wish this was true here that is all I can say!

[@Anrirua]

Terry, its always very sad but it invariably comes out of some injustice and it cuts to the bone. Someone may feel their birthright has been stolen from them and that they've given up precious life hours manning the family farm only to be 'cut out' or relegated in rank. That's one example. It can also be someone being, inherently, an a**hole and there will be no compromise. It very often reflects on the parents and poor planniglng and running of the farm as a business; using solicitors and tax advisors and talking it out with the family. If its going on 14 years and the lads are that age, its possibly about a Young Farmer scheme or a farm that was inherited in from wider family. And there's someone feeling very shortchanged etc. I was through plenty of violent domestic disputes that were sometimes linked to farming /land stress and yes 3 brothers also. Was threatened with a knife by my father on multiple occasions. He was from a small farm, there is never enough land for the incoming sons/daughters and so hard.choices are made. My father got some money, his brother got the land. We heard about it for the next 40 yrs til he died. With his own farm, which he lost to AIB, we encountered much violence also. Wife, children. Land is an obsession, a drug. The remaining land is now willed to me, unbeknownst to my siblings, as I am the one who cares about it on a personal level since I was a kid. Ditto with taking care of both parents as they aged. There will be trouble when that will issues as I am the executor but the solicitor has dutifully dealt with my mother and ensured no interference from anyone else. But the in-laws will go mad, as they do, when all is revealed. So I think its a factor of small, undersized sub-optimal farms, its also a factor of gettig the backing bwhind you for attractive government young farmer schemes. And bad blood is unfortunately bad blood. My one piece of advice for any young Garda, understand that you are perceived to have zero authority in family disputes on farms /rurally. It si the msot dangerous situation you can encounter. You can be killed. The visceral hate in family /neighbour disputes is never to be underestimated. A well meaning young Garda might not see the appalling danger in a family physical fight. Put bluntly, the law, the courts, and tomorrow do not exist when the red mist descends. Death can follow quickly. I've been involved in 2 such disputes where Gardai were called. I was never in trouble before since or then either. But while facts were gathered, one young Garda sailed very close to lights out. Bottom line is decent people are animals in family disputes. Be careful and judge carefully too.

[@georgedoorley5628]

very true .........land runs deep in the blood of those who have worked it since they were children

[@johnearle6667]

This is not unique to Ireland I have relatives in the united states and there is a dispute going on over a farm and property at present .

[@richos5535]

I remember a case years back where an unconnected 3rd party had bought a site from a farm to build a house on. The inheritance of the farm had been disputed by one of the siblings, he subsequently tried to prevent the 3rd party from accessing the site, it escalated to where he shot the 3rd party dead, then himself, madness.

[@michaelmarianodwyer7206]

It's not just farm land of even a rural problem. If you do a bit of research you can find many similar issues over any inheritance. When positions become entrenched its difficult to untangle. Lack of clear intent by parents doesn't help. There is also the element of power/fear by the parents. Fear of been "put out" if they have over the reins too soon.

[@David-if9vi]

Many thanks for sharing this with us. This is not unique to Ireland. This happens everywhere. In a lot of cases it is, "What is Mine is Mine". And What is Yours is Also Mine".

[@martindennehy3030]

These fellas don't realise that there's no hitch on a hearse, and when they're dead and gone a 6×2 is all the land they're going to take with them, while that land will still be there ina thousand years time.

[@Joethegrinder]

Squatters rights should be abolished same as uk would sort out a lot of court cases

[@09TheWex]

Many in this country got what they have through Squatters Rights but if you seek information on such cases from the Land Registry you have to give a detailed reason why you want it -------------------------- such information is part of our history and should be available for a small cost fee.

[@chrislambert9435]

Squatters rights are banned in the UK but not "a perceived Tenancy"

[@Zenwork]

Thank you

[@Finderskeepers.]

Shows the importance of a good will and ideally let everyone know.

[@kieranosullivan02]

You say you don't think its worth it but they don't think. Its how many acres i can have, how many cows i can have on those acres, how much money i can make from that and the family isnt thought about. People are also lying to each other saying they aren't interested in renting/buying the farm nearby they have enough but then they are the ones who have it rented/bought bidding against the others. It's just dishonest and sly for their own gain and greed

[@chrislambert9435]

It does happen in the UK but its only reported Locally, such disputes get reported less & less in the Local news outlets. The online "Land registry" system in the UK makes disputes less possible. When a person dies Intestate and Leaves Family members living on His or Her Property "in situ" this causes big issues because who ever does finally inherit the assets they can not get them out of their "perceived tenancy, Wills are regularly disputed in the UK. It is common for Families to "fall out" over inheritance questions even if those questions are 100% settled Legally . . . Chris . . . Norwich, England

[@Anrirua]

This video hit a real nerve Terry. Tons of comments. You might revisit family and farm and business succession planning ?

[@blackdeeplake]

Ireland for the irish...

[@Anrirua]

Were his brothers just back from a sun holiday yeah??? 😂

[@joehayes8310]

IDIOT

[@Bigsuccess4-nx2ut]

A lot the time one person is looking after the farm and doing all the work for years then another sibling whos been away for decades come home and them expect there share .. we dont own the land we only look after it for the next generation also watch the film the field :)

[@Bruno1985fernandes]

I know a family that the eldest son got a large farm. The other 5 siblings may get money divided up. Eldest son won’t allow anybody have a site near the family house, so they can’t live near the community they grew up in. This led to bitterness. He’s reasoning is, it is his better land and he may want sites for his own children in the future. Complicated

[@sarahmurphy-nf4yl]

PURE GREED.

[@ballinlissfreight8573]

He’s just right it’s his farm they got their money

[@markalley3287]

Having relatives nearby who 'lost' the farm may not be a good idea for his own children either, jealousy and malice are real.

[@karlahassenstein547]

Hey Terry, I love your videos and watch them all the time. I'm hoping to be a first time buyer soon. I'm looking at buying a terraced house. Do you have any advice specifically about terraced houses?

[@terrygorry]

Not specifically. Get a survey done.

[@hilltop521]

Terry you have brought up a very interesting subject it us also common where farmers son s and daughters dont want anything to do with land and want to go to the bright lights r cities even in Kerry farmers who have slaved are told they want nothing to do with cattle r dairy some young people are ashamed vto say they are from a farm

[@iforwilliams2509]

Would this have occured under the old Brehon law?

[@joesod]

While disputes over land have long been a thing here, this type of dispute involving siblings and parents murdering and maiming each other is new. In the film "The Field" the Bull murdered the "Yank" over the field he didn't murder his own brother, indeed John B Keane was inspired to write "The Field" because the story it was based on was actually exceptional even though it tapped into a deep cultural attachment to land in Ireland. So now we have had 4 such disputes in the space of a few years so this type of dispute is getting worse and more viscious. Also the aggrieved son was educated and working away from the farm anyway, they weren't ignorant gombeens like Tadhg in "The Field". Why is this happening more now? One reason is that land is worth so much money now compared to the 60s 70s and 80s. Inheriting a farm wasn't the lottery it is now and you were expected to farm it, a meagre enough existence for many. Now farms are being leased out for solar farms (another hugely controversial topic) for mega money. Another reason is the decline of religion and the deterrence that placed on people's actions, the church played a powerful role in "The field" with the priest admonishing the "Bull" from the pulpit indirectly, that public admonishment would put the frighteners on most people back in the day and it did have a big affect even on the "Bull". Maybe even the covid lockdowns and strict drink driving have had an effect because they reduced the social cohesion in rural ireland and have reduced the local deterance to this sort of crime. Another similarity to the Ukraine war where Putin decided to invade Ukraine during the covid lockdowns where he was deeply isolated and influenced only by a few close people

[@Derrmo]

Terry, it's not unique to rural ireland, e.g. the Pat Kenny case centred around land in a residential area. A lot of what happens in farming boils down to the children working the land all their lives until they move out and in many cases they still help out on the farm. This leads to a sense of being owed something in return. The father will never refuse the offer of free labour and that's exactly what it is. I've seen friends fall out over town houses and people barracading themselves inside houses after a parents funeral. I myself am a victim to this family fued business whereby a decision made by a parent made one person a millionare (not me) even though I didn't create or instigate any of it. Feel free to message me for info which I would share anonymously. Seems all of my neighbours are fueding over land and who should be looking after their parents in their older years.

[@terrygorry]

Pat Kenny case was a planning dispute-completely different.

[@Derrmo]

@@terrygorry The land at Gorse hill was a dispute over ownership.

[@Johndoe10007]

Disputes over land , money 💰 wills same all over the globe 🌍

[@tonytaheny9201]

There is a story about 2 well to do farmers that fell out over land and both went to the same solicitor when the second lad turned up the solicitor explains to him that he couldn't represent both as the other lad called earlier so he suggested that he go down the street to another solicitor And he agreed he would the solicitor told him that he would do up a letter explaining the situation and upon arrival he give him the letter.and the farmer agreed so off he goes down the street wondering what was in the letter so he decides to open it on the letter it stated 2 fat geese lots of feathers I will pluck one and you pluck the other Unfortunately it happend to often years ago

[@victorocallaghan6791]

Everyone forgets that inheriting land with the intention of it being farmed for the next generation is not like getting a windfall of cash. It is a 7 day a week job out in all kinds of weather. Markets, economy, prices and weather can all go against you. Alot of years there is money lost.

[@timsmusic7349]

Dang, my family is in this situation right now and it’s not far from Dunmanway. My brother got the farm about 20 years ago but my mother kept the house and a small yard. We didn’t know until our mother died in 2017 that she was leaving her house to the family which includes him(my older brother) He basically lost his shit because he was fully expecting to move into the house with his family. He has been renting a house in the nearby village since 2006. Problem is that he has let everything go to hell. The place is falling apart. My dad built a very neat setup and the house was in great shape before mom passed away. I’ve been in California since the 80s and I’m completely at a loss of how things work in Ireland anymore. They all want me to just buy it out but there’s less than a zero chance that I’ll move back to mid Cork. I could give him a few bob to build his own house too but I’m only there for a week once a year and my kids are Americans and it’s just nothing to them. I was all interested until I visited 2 weeks ago. Now, I want to spend all my time visiting people when I’m around and I don’t want to get involved in any thing else. I can’t believe that my interest completely changed and I don’t care anymore. It’s just an old house.

[@olliemoore11]

I think it comes down to greed. My father inherited 33 acres in 1999 and he would not shut up about it until his death in 2019 - 20 years went on and on and on about it, brought his cousin who inherited the other half of the farm to court over right of way access and also believed he should have got the "yard" ( which is a complete run down 100 year old health hazard) along with a few more acres. Complete greed and this is not rural - north Dublin. In the summer of 2008 (the arse end of the celtic tiger) he put it up for auction because he was "sick of it" . He was offered 800 thousand euros which was the highest bid by the cousin that he brought to court. The estate agent said "you'd be mad to sell it for that price". So he didn't sell it. The financial crash , recession and property price crash then happened. A year or two after this he got it valued and it was valued at something like 390k. He left it to my two sisters and two brothers in equal shares. My two brothers have fallin out over this because one wants to buy the whole lot for 400k but the other brother says he could get more in an auction but he cant sell his portion because its in equal shares. Absolute nonsence, stupidity and greed.

[@terrygorry]

Shocking bullshit, alright

[@timsmusic7349]

Assaulting someone is bullying. Ever see someone assaulting someone bigger than them? Some people think that they’re not all there when this happens but why are you smart enough to attack someone weaker or maybe you have a weapon. It’s all about bullying and bullying is generally appreciated in Ireland as a fair play kind of thing. I grew up in Ireland and you can get bullied and there’s little protection. You can sue someone in the US and wipe them out in court if you get attacked. I think it’s limited to a few grand in Ireland. They need to change the laws.

[@noreenoconnor-e7l]

Very sad when families fall out over land. 😢

[@kevinmic6740]

Their is an arsehole in 33% of families in my opinion that thinks he or she is the only one, when you have a family with two of these so called arseholes you have a feud. I have seen it in my own family, what my father wanted to give me was altered after his death by the person who taught himself to be the choosen one, and is now the executor of my mothers will and 5 years on, no communication that has lead to any progress and has not being processed by the probate court. This is a country wide problem, i think the law society has a role here to put a time line on the full execution of a will, eliminate rogue solicitors and issue hefty fines on executors that are not progressing the process. Despite being told by my mother not to work so hard as i would be looked after, i am glad i did and made my own life, but i do have sympathy for people not as lucky as i have been who had their inheritance stolen by their sibling or siblings. Thanks Terry for bringing up this important topic, i hope RTE investigates does a program on it a some stage as is all too common.

[@BernieJohn-u7z]

Parents should sit down with their children when every one is in good health and discuss openly what is going to happen with their assets .Where there's a will there's a row where there is no will there's a bigger row .

[@AD-mw5mv]

Read Bleak House by Charles Dickens, it's a salutary tale of a family fighting over an inheritance that went on for so long the entire estate was consumed by costs. As usual, the people collecting fees win either way!

[@terrygorry]

Read it years ago, along with all Dickens novels 👍

[@jasonandreoli4135]

Ireland is unique and definitely different to the UK in that families are larger here and there is an outdated tradition that in order to keep land or property in the family it was left solely to one child or relation who will keep living or farming there, leaving the rest of the family with very little or nothing. This kind of thing would be seen as favouritism in the UK and just doesn't happen, there is less sentimentality over property and it will generally be sold and split equally.

[@briancomiskey6063]

What about relations taking over or moving in on land when far out family cousins pass away.......

[@nicholascummins4430]

Greed and begrudge,and at the end of the day 6×3×6 will be enough land for all.

[@rsh793]

Where there's a will there's a family fighting! 😂

[@rsh793]

Joking aside it's often related to who's put in the work - that's often the base line of what people look at as being fair and just - it does happen in other countries maybe not as violent!

[@ononewheellad]

Nothing to do with historical stuff from the Brits, where I live in Ireland there’s families through pure thranness and stubbornness would bury each over over a right of way in the middle of nowhere.

[@Jeremy64444]

Quick question . If a key board warrior deserves 15 months for a facebook message. Even though first offence and will not offend again. How much time should 16 africans living in Cork get for beating up two Garda. First offence etc ,taken into consideration. Look forward to your measured opinion.

[@corkion]

Greed greed the land will be there when we are long gone

[@darrenfarrell-bn2cb]

Without a doubt my Family Split over it. Never Healed.

[@darrenfarrell-bn2cb]

Right of way Can be Septic It’s Definitely an Irish thing, since the formation of the State and land Commission , west of the Shannon or any part of Connaught it’s a Massive issue,

[@whodouthinkuare]

Hi Terry Are you going to do a video on Enoch Burke breaking the court order imposed on him, showing up at Wilsons again?

[@terrygorry]

No, it's pathetic. Read this blog post of mine:terrygorrywrites.com/enoch-burke-cuts-a-pathetic-figure/

[@whodouthinkuare]

@@terrygorry haha. I read it Terry. The mere fact that Enoch is still been paid by Wilsons, only re-affirms in his head, that he has to go "back to work".

[@eddiestaunton514]

The Tinkers Donkey stepped in to the Bulls field but he didn't step out again

[@addy2757]

😂

[@geronimorex3608]

You need an editor. “There’s been deaths, there’s been fatalities” for gods sakes man they are the same thing.

[@terrygorry]

No I don’t, give your head a wobble and start your own channel. Then you can give out the smoke 😉😊

[@Peter-gi3re]

@@terrygorry😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephenfrench1060]

Where's there's a will there's a family and Where's there is no will there's a bigger family

[@appellantspark7773]

Is it not the case that in olden times the process was that the eldest son always got the land? Might be one reason why there’s conflict?

[@JSL2000]

Trust me, I can tell you immediately that its also a British thing. The ownership of property is not just an Irish obsession.

[@KimPhilby203]

One United Kingdom.. England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland.. Together ❤

[@eamonenglish905]

Sometimes it can be historic poor legal advice unfortunately, and

[@lexzoolia1]

Oisin needs to pay Ratso immediately

[@thesmudge1353]

It appears to be the same everywhere so I don't think you can blame that on the British

[@Jeremy64444]

Usually the eldest son , is a farm slave for most of his life. Helping out on the farm at the age of twelve and worked like a dog into his 60's. The farm being left to him, is actually small payment for the work he put in to kerp it running. Say he should be paid 20 euro and hour, after tea, its time and a half. Night time call out treble pay. Saturdays double time, Sundays treble time. The reason for the fall out. Is the siblings who enjoy a nice life of college , goid job etc. Get greedy and for some reason believe they should get a cut of the farm, that they left at 18. So its simple , if the siblings want a cut, they should compensate the wage bill due.

[@eddieportmore1]

To solve all problems ,is let the battle commence ,Not only has it been ,going on .After the owner has died .But has been going on ,since the marriage ,took place ,or not .My understanding ,all daughters .On the land ,in each generation ,to the next .all gone..I think ,its with the owner, that the, decision is with .What is the right thing to do....Whats the point ,if there is no one about.And no one to call in .

[@hilltop521]

It understood the a son or daughter or who ever puts there time in assisting there parent or parents and at home full time ir gives up there job to work the farm and care there parents aŕ either entitled to the holding or the property be sold and that person be paid for there years of work carried out on the said holding IE if the holding was left to a less entitled realities who got the farm or holding .... This only makes sense

[@peterlaurent9905]

In these situations the land should be taken away from the family and go to the state

[@Anrirua]

😂😂 In theory. In practice, that would mean dead state officials ie police lawyers, bailiffs revenue officials. In most countries. Guaranteed. In Ireland, as in some jurisdictions as Terry knows, police have very little right to enter unless just cause. So they are not seen as the final adjudicator of day to day reality and justice on farmland. And yes, it does trigger landlord /eviction feelings and yes all that brings with it. Its the dark side of private property and its alive and well in rural America where people left oppressive regimes to 'own' their own piece of Earth (after stealing it from some weaker whingy local sod or maybe a French man)

[@ianfoley6461]

Seems that with us six siblings (one of siblings being a priest and a twin ). that the old people, my uncle in this case , gave to those he saw in the latter years and who helped him around farm as he grew in-firm. We knew the priest was and did try to influence uncle's WILL towards that his male twin against all other siblings. Uncle seen through the plot and gave to those who were genuine and helpful, but not particular to those abroad ; and proceeded to give very little to him in the end , but covered all to very small extent. But they then were so angry they screamed at the funeral , sent solicitor letters etc, but uncle was if sound mind. Venom in the town shops and bars there after has been awful. Angry red faced tempers at church on Sundays . All so shocking. But, my sister did observe that it was the wives of three brothers who promoted the drive to send solicitor's letters. etc and not our brothers. farm and cash involved .

[@ianfoley6461]

Great to know some one can high light this sad cultural issues. But funnily enough my father and his brother ( uncle above) fell out over my father getting a farm and not my uncle . But dad bought machinery tractors etc to placate him. And both made up.

[@AnthonyMcTigue]

People' FORGET that u never own land the land own us THATS where u go when u DIE. ITS ALL greed jealosey and NOT WILLIN TO SHARE UD THINK THEY WERE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER I SEEN PLENTY OF TROUBLE OVER LAND UL C NO ONE TO GIVE U A HAND UNTIL SOME ONE DIES .THEN THEL APPEAR TO C WHAT THEY CAN GET . THEN THED CUT FENCES DO SOMETHING TO YOUR ANIMALS .SOMETIMES NEVER ENDING . NOTHING TO DO WITH OLD TIMES .OR ENGLISH LAWS

[@williamh5103]

I am a blow in from Wales. The law seems to be flawed almost guaranteeing quarrelling over folios, boundaries and land. We have walls as boundaries but with shared responsibility. Crazy! How can you get agreement. Folio maps, unless they have been corrected are invariably wrong. They were poorly transcribed. This results in misinterpretation as to where the real boundaries are. The folio people will not change things without the agreement of the other parties. Yes, you can get them surveyed, that is what we have done. The mapping people also surveyed our boundaries. So the official Irish maps are correct, but those folio maps are not. Our neighbours pick the map that suits them best, ie the folio which I am certain has been altered by a solicitor. How much money have we got to waste going to a solicitor to correct this shit! Bill will be at least 10,000€ for the privilege, crazy country. Next door neighbours have been dumping rubbish on our land before we owned it tons of black plastic bin liners, now they claim adverse possession. Illegal dumping, the council will not remove it because they cannot see it from our road. The silence, no one will be truthful, there was a horse racing track which started on our property but went onto the SAC so they were successfully prosecuted by the National Parks. We cannot see the court case, only whispers from one or two people who have told a very tiny part of the story. A shit hole of a place a bit like Tory Island and that story of the missing house. People forget I can see bits of what people have been doing through satellite imagery from 1970 that is in the public domain and from street view which is dated 1980. No wonder people quarrel in Ireland. Yes it certainly happens in Wales but not quite as bad and unless you have a lousy solicitor these sort of problems are normally sorted out when a house and land is sold. This means here our solicitor did a poor job and did not check these things properly. When I asked him about part of our folio, he just said- don’t ask! Another problem we have faced is that everyone knows everybody and often related, so being totally impartial is very difficult. Of course many would say, if you do not like the situation, you know what you can do, go back from whence you came. If we ever sell this house, if the person understands the Irish system, we will be in trouble if they start to ask about boundaries etc! As far as I can see many Irish people just do not go asking questions, looking under stones as everywhere you turn there is a complete and utter mess and to sort it out will costs thousands and thousands. Crazy. There is a huge problem with those highly inaccurate folios and the official Irish maps which are correct and the folios should be the same as the official maps especially in rural Ireland.

[@williamh5103]

Interestly Porthmadog same population as Ballina, where I lived in Porthmadog, two solicitors, Ballina, over twenty! My mother always told me, avoid going to court or solicitors sorry! Every one is quarrelling here, madness. In my other life, I need to come back as a solitor here. I would make a fortune from peoples stupidity!

[@michaelodonoghue7464]

My Father lost his Family Farm to his younger brother in 1946, after the Death of their Father, as the result of Court Action. I was born in 1956, but didn’t discover that I had Cousins on that side of My Family until 2009, (10 years after My Father’s Death and days after My Mother’s) when a relative made a chance remark which I accidentally overheard and seized upon. Now of course I’d love to know the details of that Waterford Court Case.

[@thekravika5258]

People are greedy

[@ciarand2823]

Not irish specific at all, greed is global

[@williamwallace4924]

It is not their land it is the lord Jesus christs land, simple as that.

[@ashleytidd-w9i]

It's the families own fault,should have been sorted through a will years ago.My father left the 4 sons basically equal amount's,if you want the other family members share ,than buy it.Problem solved.(From Australia,it's not just Ireland)