Modest House Build Ep. 8: Standard and ODD Window & Door Framing

In this episode of the modest house build, we start window and door framing. The difference is in this video, I show you typical window and door framing installation as well as atypical. This is how you frame a window where a post is on a post frame!
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[@sandyvalentin3072]

Shout-out to the person who is shooting this build great editing and filming... Top - notch

[@jaycole3050]

Just an old retired guy watching for entertainment purposes only. Not building anything. I enjoy watching you guys, especially the extra efforts you go through in measuring. If I was going to build anything, measuring is one of my weak points. I would need to spend a lot of time on fixing that.

[@user-nq5wc6ct3n]

Kayle you and Kreg are the best pickiest builders I have ever saw. Great building all the way around.

[@ronallen6578]

Kyle perhaps??

[@БрандонХемиы]

Kayle and Kreg 😂

[@HowardBuksbaum]

Just bought a pair of those rechargeable warmers last week for an out door shoot in DC. Used them all day on one bar. Nice and toasty! Love what you’re doing. My favorite KZbin channel

[@mchaelmontaudouin484]

Je vous suis depuis la France je suis époustouflé par votre professionnalisme vous êtes des boss merci pour vos vidéos c'est du bonheur a regarder.🙏👏👍🤩

[@chrishoward4017]

Loving this series

[@romainehall1698]

Love how your just super informative. So love how your sharing all your knowledge with Greg and all the subs.❤❤

[@bakjr007]

I’ve been watching for a while now, really enjoy the content. The ball breaking is hilarious! Kyle can be a little prickly (we know you’re the boss Kyle) once in a while but I’m sure it’s in good fun…. My generation of This Old House.

[@RRBuildings]

I can promise Greg deserves every bit and gives it back when I deserve it.

[@johndernberger1961]

I would build this home with a few changes to the interior layout after looking at the plans. Cant wait to see this finished!

[@rufuswallace9010]

I like Greg’s idea of an additional window.

[@wpoortman]

I've been watching a lot of US build channels/videos, but never really understood the "sawssawl" word, but now I do haha! In The Netherlands we call a Sawsall a Recipro.

[@stevebabiak6997]

Sawzall is the brand name in the USA for one of the earliest brands of reciprocating saw. So it became the commonly used term, like Kleenex is used for a facial tissue.

[@Overpar73]

Looking very nice guys!!

[@NolanMartinez-b7m]

Can’t wait to see it finished

[@jamesfischer5389]

QUALITY SELLS ITSELF ALL DAY LONG! ☮️💜🇺🇸

[@bergmandiy]

Seeing you hanging there by a single nail reminds me that my entire pole barn sheeting is all ring-shanked nailed and it's a nightmare to remove. Can't wait to replace the roof! LOL

[@jaelenreed8723]

20-30 min are for those who do not have the attention spans. which is no big deal but i love in-depth videos

[@jaimelago8941]

Another very nice job

[@ryanv7578]

I’m about to build a post frame here in Texas hopefully

[@jaelenreed8723]

i love these long videos

[@MIKE-oq6su]

Kyle if you want to pull nails an easier way is to put the nail as far into the slot in the hook end of your hammer and then push the handle sideways towards the wall and use leverage to roll the nail out of the board much easier than pulling down on the handle,try it you will like it !

[@sethprofitt]

you dont think kyle knows the best way to pull out a nail?

[@runliftshoot]

Those ring shank nails don't pull out.

[@bengesell]

Very helpful. Thanks again.

[@ryankelly5303]

Awesome job thanks for sharing.

[@jamesa8851]

52:45 LOLOL Was anyone else dying laughing watching this with the sun shining through the side of the wavy 2x4? I think he meant to use the other side.

[@Ledgar69]

Nothing wavy about it brother, just a waney edge on the outside edge of the window box. Looks dead straight to me

[@jbweld138]

Great job

[@user990077]

Without chains there may be a slim chance in a really strong wind that you would loose your bare structure (no sheeting on walls yet). But those columns bolted into steel supports that are then tied into the foundation are most likely going to hold up in windy conditions. But chains are of course necessary until sheeting is installed for safety and peace of mind.

[@waynegoebel395]

This house I'm living in now, built in the late 60's, is put together with nothing but ring-shanked nails. Right down to the smallest finish nails. Whatever room I remodeled, it was a pain to remove ANY framing or molding because of them but I appreciate that this house "isn't going anywhere"!

[@ScottLuAnnConley]

I was serious question regarding your header that you put in for the door and window. Your load is not carried from the header to the foundation. You put a header board on the outside so in a sense you’ve only got nails, carrying the load between those two post, not sure that makes sense to me can you clarify? I noticed you have the doors or the door post frame running from the header down so OK you’ve got the one side but you’ve got no jack studs on either side. I’m not a professional carpenter. I’m more of a plumbing guy, but I was just curious. I love the way you guys do stuff. I’m sure you’ve got a reason. It just doesn’t make sense in my mind. It’s not registering can youexplain that a little better thanks, Scotty.

[@RRBuildings]

This is post frame design Scott

[@davegouldinonley]

Scotty, I am with you on how that load transfers. But this is the same header process used for large garage door openings too, so it's proven through real world use that it works for carrying roof load. I'm assuming something would be different if it were carrying a second floor load too, but I could be wrong.

[@ScottLuAnnConley]

@@davegouldinonley thank you for that info Dave! I’m obviously ignorant of toss style but I’M UTTERLY FASCINATED!!! I think Kyle and Greg absolutely kill it with these builds. I just love learning about this type of building. I totally trust that Kyle knows his stuff as he’s obviously the PREMIER BUILDER, but i just have to catch up on the technical methods used!! #keep building and I’ll keep watching!! Love it

[@DeltaElectric-z5o]

Nice trick I’ve learned, where nitrite gloves under your gloves. You don’t lose any hands and your hands will start to sweat almost immediately. Trust me, you won’t regret it

[@fryklundstfr]

Can you describe pros and cons on pour the concrete slab before or after building the frame?

[@steveneal2706]

awesome video . Thank you guys

[@davehahn23]

Doesnt the header to carry the load of the cut beam have to be under the beam? Are the nails into the beam enough for support?

[@c.a.martin3029]

Exactly what I saw, they don't have sufficient load carrying ability with just nails through a 2x10, even if they double it. There should be a header that spans under the cut post and sits on jack studs to do it right.

[@runliftshoot]

Not with a post frame. When I built mine the engineered plans looked just like that. Even for my 12 ft wide garage doors. Those ring shank post frame nails have insane sheer strength.

[@c.a.martin3029]

@ The issue here is not just relying on the shear strength of the nails to carry all the weight, but really an inadequate header that is only held by nails as well, with the lack of a solid path down to the foundation. I know in post frame construction "pole barns" often stretch the limits for cost reasons and usually (not all) agricultural buildings don't get inspected and are exempt from building codes, but this is a person's home and not just an implement shed or hay storage. There is no way this would pass an inspection where I live.

[@runliftshoot]

@@c.a.martin3029 codes are different across the states so I couldn't tell you how they would recommend it in your area. Regardless of living space or not, it is still sufficient to carry the weight. Otherwise the 1000s of barns would have the doors fall off and the wall come down. But they've built barns like that forever and I see many farms in my area that have a 100 year old barn still standing. My county is a pain with the codes and mine was acceptable.

[@brianhall9019]

Milwaukee needs to send you guys some 12 Ah Forge batteries to “demo” in the cold. ❤

[@WreckDiver99]

Talk to Mads over at SailLife...Sanding, Glorious Sanding....man glitter for all!

[@RuffaloRill68]

Hey guyz . Love watching ur videos . All of ur scrap wood. Do u use it as firewood or ????

[@justatim8143]

Big fan of extra framing to hold the door to the concrete but were I live that would be Lunch for the Termites. Here in Pa. I would try to have all treated for the first 4 feet and when the outside is done I would spray Bora-Care heavy on all exterior walls and footers to keep them out. Lexel keeps the air out at the joints. I would have centered 2 window and eliminated the extra work.

[@BuckMasterNorm]

Thanks looks great

[@Coker-Time]

Like knowing how you overcome putting doors & windows in the middle of post. I feel like the customer is wasting the cost & time savings that post gives you. I understand the client gets what they want but I would have adjusted my plans. The only thing they did right was the garage is as big as the house.

[@wallacrj40]

I build post frame out In southern idaho . I'm running into a lot of issues with engineers . I try to mimic your building style as I think it's strong and efficient . BUT I can not get an Engineer to pass the header method you use for garage doors with the double stack LvL. I understand every geographic area is different . But the closest I can get is the call for a glulam with a ton of cs strapping because of lateral strain . Is this a problem you ran into until you found an engineer that works with you ? He is worried about the building moving and drywall cracking . My new engineer is willing to work with me . I was just curious if you hit those obstacles ? I just assume Illinois has a heavy snow load and more wind then southern Idaho we are rated for 115 mph wind and 50lbs dead snow load

[@mikewakeling8349]

Love to get some feedback on the Perkins Belt that you've been wearing on this job.

[@Shinjin-g7b]

Thanks

[@dcgltd6657]

Hey Kyle, i have a question about the headers. Seems to me the load path from the truss is only supported by nails after removing sections of post. Am i missing something? No hate brother, just wondering. Love all the content

[@GRTRanchadventures]

Super awesome building builder here: wood is generally rated at R1/" mite want get one that figured out before you start working for other people...

[@Jbwhitetails]

I've been wondering why you used the bolt down post brackets on this build and on RRHQ 2.0, instead of the wet set brackets? Is it because the concrete stem wall isn't wide enough to support them? Or is it because there wouldn't be enough time to set them all when they pour the walls?

[@SaudTorres]

Could we get a cost of materials for all post, trusses, brackets and siding/roof sheathing. Just to get an idea to get to that point once concrete is down.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

I heard the wind, and it's more like what Greg said, 40 miles an hour, not 27! It's definitely stronger than 27! It sounds pretty strong!

[@SteveKompel]

I'm surprised there were no 'jack studs' used next to the full columns to support the end of the top plate

[@scottpaulson1714]

So during the design consultation and plan layout, should that have been brought up OR was this a later add-on?

[@kellyhansen5377]

We love watching your videos and have learned so much from you and Greg. My husband loves the miter saw setup. What is that called, please?

[@joeyjohnson9765]

I have a question, isn’t the header used like this relying solely on the shear strength of the nails? I feel like in stick framing it would be stronger because the load is transferred straight down through the wood. Not sure if I’m correct just would like some feedback

[@aaronmdjones]

That is correct. This very same video has Kyle demonstrating just how strong ONE of those nails is.

[@joeyjohnson9765]

@ Yes they are very strong, but he was demonstrating the holding power of the nail, not the shear strength. I’m not saying he’s wrong at all I’m just trying to learn more

[@timothydillon6421]

​@joeyjohnson9765 the holding power of the nail demonstrates the clamping force between board and post. It's not just the nails holding, it is the friction of clamping the two bords together. Drill a hole and just place a bolt and you can move the parts, tighten the bolt even with an over size hole and you can't move it.

[@joeyjohnson9765]

@@timothydillon6421 Still…I just feel it is less strongly supported compared to a header on stick framing with the load being transferred through the jack studs. It would be cool to see some sort of test with one of those online structural engineering type things

[@timothydillon6421]

@@joeyjohnson9765 there is a reason we build with knowledge, understanding, and engineering and not with feelings

[@johnlenhart1460]

Hey you think you can throw up a clip of the floorplan so we can get a better understanding of the layout in your next video thanks

[@tjstengel]

Can, or would, you ever build a post frame on a foundation with a full basement? Or would that make erecting the post frame more difficult or just change the order in which it is built?

[@Lost_in_southern_california]

I hope to see the house after flooring/paint/appliances.

[@chrismarkley1818]

How do you like the Metabo sliding miter saw as compared to a big DeWalt? I like the low clearance but have heard complaints. Just curious your thoughts. Also noticed this is a battery version instead of regular. Any difference if you have both?

[@seanclark7783]

I will have to do research if there is a Post Builder in my area of Pennsylvania

[@user990077]

54:02 If you are in earthquake country nails are better than screws because they can bend a bit and not break. Screws are brittle and will snap in shear forces (any force 90 degrees offset from screw body) like in an earthquake.

[@timfuscaldo3024]

Serious question, what are the tradeoffs with stick framing vs this. Materials, man power, or the most important experience of the team leads.

[@RCMServices]

Kyle, have you tried the Milwaukee Dual Slope rotary laser?

[@MarkSteinmetz-h6b]

Hey Kyle. What is the brand name of that seal tape?

[@steveanderson4768]

I love the term “man glitter” but with a design like this seems to be you’d be better off, adjusting doors and windows where you don’t have to cut one of the major posts that’s what I would do

[@chrissilcox5009]

Random question but how come you switch to the makita impact for the tapcons?

[@paulholand5112]

I think itd rather see trimmers on the columns with lvl a header beneath that column you cut out. Cant wrap mu head around the way you did it. I know you're a pro. Just curious

[@deerepasture]

Are going to give a cost of post frame vs conventional framing on this house?

[@2nickles647]

He already did that.

[@erikolson7710]

When you say the window requires the extra work, and cutting the post, how does this equate to extra cost for customer? Do you bid higher, based on this, or do you bill as extra time/material?

[@Hopalong..75]

I keep wondering, where is the coffee station? You know the area where the hot coffee, creamer, sugar, various pastries and snackos. I keep missing it.

[@ChristopherKoehler-p3s]

What type and length screws do you use for your window frames and braceing?

[@neoman7479]

how do you price out a window that spans a column? extra labor and material?

[@glennwest4438]

Just a comment on post frame buildings. Noticed your entry door won't open fully. Just around 100 degrees. What I mean not open so that you need a door stop. Normal studded walls doors open fully with standard doors. Noticed you installed an extension on the door frame but it is for 6" walls and not post frame walls.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

A porch "header"? You mean the ledger board for the porch rafters, right?

[@billy6384]

Не важно где проходит строительство )) запись данных всегда будет на обрезке доски (чепике)

[@dlg5485]

Every youtuber uses zip system, so it's nice to see an alternative sheathing product. I'm a bit dubious of insulated sheathing because it compromises sheer strength, but engineers say it's fine as long as it's installed properly. I think exterior insulation is essential for any new home build, but there are many options to put it outside the sheathing. I'm excited to see you guys install this LP product.

[@mikeaustin9810]

You do know they make a ratchet style chain binder ... Right ?

[@chessiekid4018]

So it seems like there is more wood (framing) to this post frame compared to if it were a stick frame. What do you think?

[@2nickles647]

There is less wood. Think about every 16" on center. More wood to frame taller walls.

[@runliftshoot]

Lot less wood in post frame. Just look at his window frame compared to a stick frame window.

[@rotaxrider]

​@@2nickles647 When you frame 16 OC do you use extra lumber for purlins inside? Do you use extra lumber outside for purlins before you sheath the exterior? The list goes on and on with extra materials and labour cost

[@chessiekid4018]

@@2nickles647 thanks for the reply

[@chessiekid4018]

@@runliftshoot thanks for the reply

[@BWIL2515]

Here in Texas we call these size houses starter houses first time buyers anyways im curious of the person's name doing all the filming i think it's Ralph unless it's a woman then i think it's Rio sorry just being stupid i do this every once in awhile 😊i like these longer videos you and Greg are always great but does Ralph ever get his hands dirty thanks again guys gives us old retired guys something to do

[@2nickles647]

The video guy got hired for filming and editing job. It's job within itself.

[@simondisterhoft1460]

What is that setup for the metabo mitre saw would love to get a platform like that.

[@runliftshoot]

Is called the cut hub. I looked into one. $$$$$$$

[@RCMServices]

It is odd that the kitchen window is that close to the exterior door.

[@stevenwarner7348]

Not gonna lie. I was going to relate how I put a hole in my foundation for a "Vent / Chimney" for a new hydronic system here. My Plumber friend, who inspected my work kept saying "unconventional". So I couldn't shed the term Unconventional." Oh well. And so as I am thinking of that word. Kyle comes out by saying "Unconventional" framing at the moment I was thinking that the framing you guys are doing is "Unconventional." Made me smile. ~~~ Just saying. 〰✨🌿👍🌿✨〰. New Hampshire

[@RayCattell]

Do you turn of your phone when working ordo you answer all calls

[@tommussington8330]

Any reason you don't just use the post along the window for the frame instead of adding framing especially when your in tight quarters????

[@vince9486]

1500 sq ft 3 bdrm with a garage in Austin is tiny and $500,000 even if built in 1970 when that was a good size, but yes, a modest house by any standard.

[@Noorikon]

👍👌👏

[@christopherhoney2891]

I don't think i've seen a video with a building inspector...that would be interesting.

[@rickeyross22]

Info / link to the hand warmers?

[@jeremyemm]

Where’s Cole? Need to bring the trio back together!

[@leroy5258]

Greg should already know how put together 3 ft x 5 ft window opening.

[@vidaltovar5471]

How come you never figured out the layout of the windows before you put the post?.

[@medicallyunexplainedsymptoms]

3:29 or one metre long, as it's known elsewhere 😃

[@ltmedic3]

1800 sqft house is very modest considering there is no basement. The real bonus is the size of the garage.

[@nuttsgt8394]

Get a 4.5" grinder to cut those nails and brackets.

[@johnbucklerfarms]

Greg If you would use 3 Sawhorses you won’t pinch your Saw!

[@kevincorbin6273]

Openings are always where you make or lose money

[@larrypeavy4517]

Why wouldn’t you use treated? Boards on the bottom instead of taping it

[@tommussington8330]

they use scrap and dont need special hardware for the pressure treated wood.

[@bertveldhuizen8699]

Are you guys working in the middle of the road again? LOL

[@BraxxJuventa]

😁👍🏼😁👍🏼

[@afrocomber]

The average 3 bedroom house in the UK is 1000sqft if not a little bit less, so you can see why an 1800sqft house doesn't sound modest to some viewers from other parts of the world!

[@3stoogesrocketry]

Good thing viewers on the other side of the world are smart enough to know what the average house size is on the other side of the world from this job site.... or the average size house in this area. In the UK, seasoning is a word not known. Good thing other countries are different

[@jamesa8851]

This is a medium house not a modest house lol. Next you should build Greg an actual modest best value house. One rectangle, gable style one ridge no hips. 2 car garage. 3 bed 2 bath. Value and efficiency over everything.

[@thruitallauto2538]

Nope that house is the norm, realistic

[@claudineiribeiro93]

Deixa o áudio em português, obrigado

[@MrThecourier]

A room with a view oh dear car dealership that's not going to work lol😢

[@stevesmart1968]

Car dealership and next truck. 😅

[@230879Darren]

Is it just me or is it obvious this a house he’s building for himself! Rental or to sell on? Fair play this guy works hard and is smart👍🏼

[@D-G-Steinner]

Um, Kyle is building it for a customer. He said it in a video earlier, said it in this video, and you can believe what he says. Lot of Jokers on the net today, but Kyle and Greg are as real and Legit as it gets. If they say it, BELIEVE IT.

[@robertgundersen8372]

Not obvious to me, in fact that seems the last thing he is doing. If he was building it for himself / rental dont you think he would have made sure to avoid all this crap of having to cut posts for windows etc?