Full In-Floor Heat and Boiler Installation In RRHQ 2.0

[@danielcaldwell3266]

The reason why the longest run gets the glycol mixed first is because it has the largest pressure drop and authority over the circuit. Thermodynamics and fluid physics = High pressure goes to low pressure. We call this control or prioritization of flow, Valve Authority, and it's used in sizing control valves for hydronic systems, the calculation for Valve Authority is the Ratio of the Pd of the Valve to the Entire Circuit. In this case, there is no valve, so the pex piping friction is the largest Pd in circuit and takes priority over controlling the flow - hence the longest runs get the flow first. This is helpful to know when balancing the manifold because you should start with the longest loops and work your way back. Any more questions on the hydronic side, let me know! Love the content.

[@iliketakingshowers]

Great explanation. Just curious, what is your background or what do you do?

[@Teamsille]

Hi Kyle. I just want to tell you that I am one of the people who have helped produce the Grundfos pumps that you just had installed in this video, if you look at the pump you can see that it is produced in Denmark. I have been following your channel since you built for Diresta and enjoy following your builds.

[@RRBuildings]

Heck yeah that’s awesome man

[@Bartoa]

Same company, but different country 😉 Just down south of Denmark...

[@mtiffee]

@@RRBuildingshey what model boiler is that? I have a similar sized shop so curious on the sizing you went with. Thanks!

[@iliketakingshowers]

Wow, diresta. What a blast from the youtube past

[@kevinadamski224]

I'm a plumber in my state and i have to say is the best part of my job is when I install Boilers. From tankless combo's to oil fire. It give's me a chance to show of my skills. Everytime I do a new install I always try to out do myself from the last install.

[@jorojiga]

Greg wins best support actor award in this one. He just stood there and cheered

[@MargisonGODBEY]

The plumber was like you can do all the work you want but I’m charging you the same 😂🎉😂🎉

[@bret_Lambky]

Plus an additional training session $$$

[@grundfos]

Eric's work is amazing! Such a great video, we loved watching the installation come together. Thank you for choosing Grundfos to be a part of this project!

[@RRBuildings]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Elektrotechniker]

Is it true, that Grundfos is closing its Danish Manufacturing Facilities, to move them to serbia?! A Brand like Grundfos I hope won‘t dare to explain such a break in company history with larger profit margins! I ratzer pay more for a locally produced grundfos product, than a serbian pump…

[@TheBurnsStuff]

I've been a huge advocate for in floor radiant heating systems. This is a nice clean install.

[@Bwick_1776]

Dewalt shirt - meanwhile, van filled to the brim with Milwaukee products. 😂

[@johnscott2076]

Maybe Milwaukee doesn’t make long sleeve hoodie shirts

[@amcfoamtech]

Reminds me of the Ryobi guy that recently got caught setting up a Ryobi display using red tools... 😂

[@amcfoamtech]

@@johnscott2076 I'm not sure there's anything Milwaukee DOESN'T make at this point

[@ptso7580]

​@@amcfoamtech Ryobi and Milwaukee are owned by Techtronic Industries, so sister companies.

[@bantheshift]

In the very least its Milwaukee packout. Could be all yellow and black inside. Never know!

[@ScottyLo]

I watched the entire video and it was pretty informative and entertaining. I’ve been in the commercial/industrial building trades for 40 years and I see my share of mechanical rooms. A well thought out and efficient design is easy to spot and this hit the mark on both. Great work

[@stuartstephens]

Those powered pipe cutting and crimping tools are a real revelation for the plumbing trades. I had some work done in my basement last year, and was amazed at how much time they save. There still is something neat about a well sweated pipe joint, though. 🙂

[@larracis]

i helped a plumber a few years back and he let me do all the pex work while he was doing drain work. He had the same milkwaukee crimper and it was soo nice. I was trying to get my boss to buy one since then and he just refuses based on the price. But they make it soooo much easier.

[@ivavossi]

I like the crimping tools because there is no fire. I watched a new build burn to the ground when a very experienced plumber sweated a bunch of joints, and a few hours later, the fire alarms went off. I have seen it twice in my forty years in the trades.

[@docproc8508]

Eric is awesome and craftsman is a very appropriate descriptor for him. That mechanical room is a thing of logic and beauty. Amazing. Your idea to put mood lighting in there is the least it deserves. I really enjoyed this episode and the nerd part was superb. Nerd stuff is interesting so thank you both. Safe drive home Eric sir.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

Eric really did do some beautiful plumbing work with all that copper! I think it's great how they came up with the O-ring seals in in copper fittings so all you have to do is compress them on to the copper tubing! He really did do some nice work on it all!

[@steveanderson4768]

Oh yeah, those fittings were really comes in for the value is when you’re doing large commercial spaces you have to have a firewatch on every plumber. That’s his only job is to watch the Plumber solder joints and union jobs that could be $45-$50 an hour so how much does that cost now a hell of a lot less?

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

@@steveanderson4768 Yeah, I do some commercial electric jobs for the local union 1141 here in OKC, and anything that is done on some of these jobs that produces a spark requires a Hot permit and all the proper PPE, especially Power stations! If you're grinding or anything that will cause a spark. when I was at Wynnewood Okla. refinery, anytime you got a permit for hot work like that, there was a safety person who sat and watched and the area was taped off with red tape. Red tape required permission to pass into and yellow tape was enter with caution only. Any kind of commercial job in Oklahoma has strict OSHA standards that, if you don't follow, some will get you run off the job immediately and others will get you a warning then the next violation escalates to a write up and you leave the jobsite for the rest of the day and the third violation you are permanently band from returning to the jobsite. Usually Manhattan Safety is one company that regulates safety protocol on jobsites, and if they run you off one job, they won't let you return to any job they supervise. There are a couple main companies used in Oklahoma that do safety management on commercial jobs. They're pretty strict. Most jobs all require hard hats, safety glasses and cut gloves 100% of the time, and they are strict on ladder safety. They catch you on an A frame ladder above the third to the top, it's a warning; second time it's a write up; the third time, you're gone! Steel toed boots are required all the time. You have to have confined space safety training when you hire onto the jobsite, every time as well as fall protection and when you should be tied off when you are on a ladder close to the leading edge, and that usually depends on the height of the ladder. OSHA 10 OR 0HA 30 are required on some jobs along with First Aide. Safety protocols are always enforced strictly on commercial jobs, at least here in Oklahoma; I think most states have the same requirements!

[@devinlinton]

Crazy seeing Eric on RR as I follow Matt also and I’ve seen him there. Great builders and contractors connected is always nice to see. Thank you all for continuing to educate and guide as it is greatly appreciated.

[@outfitr9703]

I agree on the mechanical room. I recently built a new home and it's a decent size with hot water heat where the boiler heats the domestic and radiator water. My plumber is really good and did it all with copper and solder and it's truly a work of art imo.

[@rickfetz469]

I have had a radiant floor system in my house for 20 years. It works best in a concrete floor not so much in a wood floor system. The only problems I have had are with the intake and exhaust pipes. If some leaf or bug gets in the intake the system shuts down as the air pressure going in and out must be the same. Also, you must clean your heat exchanger every year and my plumber charges me $850 a year to do this. Due to the cost he has trained me to do it and it is sort of tricky but I can do it myself now and can save that money. The radiant heat is very comfortable but takes awhile to heat up and cool down. In the spring and fall we have to open windows to cool the space sometimes as the hot water stays hot for a couple of days even with the system off.

[@rushd45]

in 2002 I build a 30x40 Urethane SIP shop and installed radiant heating in the floor in Tucson AZ. I used the sun to heat the water for the system. I made a Batch Solar Heater from an old water tank and that was sufficient to keep my shop warm thru the cold Arizona winter months. It was a pleasure to walk inside and feel the warmth slowly comming up from the floor that heated everything. You'll love the ease of heating your new Shop Kyle, great video and explaination of all the aspects of the system. That boiler is amazing.

[@adubbelde1]

I was the manager of Facility Maintenance for Cargill corporate hdqrts in Minnetonka. I purchased the VIEGA ProPress soon after it was introduced. When I took over I had found that maintenance staff had been using compression fittings for repairs in finished wall cavities. I had ended that and returned them to solder repairs. But when I saw the ProPress in action I knew it was the answer. One time had to cap a line that couldn't be shut off in a boiler room. Had a valve on the Propress and cut the old valve off, quickly slammed the new valve on, pulled the trigger and closed the valve.

[@Red1Wollip]

It is so nice to see a true crafstman in his trade. I have been a Electrican for 50 years now. I can appreciate the true crafstman that cares about the outcome.

[@alexbravo4572]

I literally laughed out loud in the office when Greg asked if he wanted a laser for setting the plungers. 🤣Also Eric reminds me of Louie Anderson. LoL

[@JBLewis]

Both from Minnesota!

[@edwardholmes91]

That's a really nice, clean install, credit to you all! Eric seems like a really knowledgeable, chill and fun guy to work with too... I especially appreciate the technical details at the end.

[@roderickmarruffo7600]

Now this was an awesome episode, the new boiler systems are cool...

[@garyhouse4432]

replaced my 100 year old coal fired boiler in 2012 with a 96% gas fired. technology has really come a long way but I miss the smell of coal smoke.

[@markkellogg7319]

Eric Rocks! That was one of the best. Eric explains his craft and technical details in a clear, concise, and easily understandable manner. He's right up there with you and Greg for entertainment and fun quips as well! Great video.

[@steveneal2706]

Fantastic video guys. Maybe you can tell Greg the great job he did.. Y'all act like brothers. Great to see that. Thank you guys so much

[@LeewardStudios]

Those are some cool tools but I especially like that battery powered pipe threader. Nice job Eric!

[@B.E.C.K.]

Cool to see Eric come down from MN to show Kyle and Greg the install process. After watching his intstagram content for years this is the first time I noticed Eric's tatts and earings...makes me wonder if he conceals/removes them on when working for regular customers? Love all you guys and the great, FREE, content you create and share!

[@nothingisreal6345]

I appreciate your plumber using Viessmann and Grundfos products from good ol' Germany.

[@Teamsille]

The Grundfos pumps in this video are made in Denmark, we make a lot of pumps for lots of brands like Viessmann, Bosch and Vaillant. But that will soon be over, Grundfos are slowly moving all produktion to Serbia.

[@nothingisreal6345]

@@Teamsille such a shame. same happening here in Germany.

[@robertnorris1808]

Excellent work Eric and I hope you get tons of work from this video. Kyle and Greg looked like they enjoyed learning something new. Happy Thanksgiving to all and be safe over this holiday season.

[@RRBuildings]

Love learning new things

[@clarkpiper6007]

@@RRBuildings You might want a more spacious location for some mechanicals I.E. place the manifold not under the stair stringer on the next one. It was sweet to see Eric!

[@metal_mo]

1:08:10 I sat through all that, because I'm designing my garage/shop addition to my house right now. I'm sold on floor heating!

[@paulflores7292]

That's an excellent video; I especially appreciated the insightful questions posed to Eric. Well done to the team; the video was highly informative.

[@bob.bobman]

For some reason I think this is one of the coolest videos I have seen in a while.

[@JJawsyW]

The process is so interesting to watch. It's amazing.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

Happy Thanks Giving to you and your family, Kyle and also to Greg and his new wife! Greg's first Thanksgiving with his new wife! Pretty awesome!

[@JLRIT98]

Very fascinating!! I grew up with radiated heat and it was the best! I hate the forced air in my house! So dusty!!

[@Mouse2677]

Eric did a Great Job!! I see the benefit of using him!!!

[@the1maxb]

Removing the hole saw from the arbor makes slug removal MUCH easier, especially with Milwaukee quick-lock arbors (sliding release collar)

[@patrickkenny2077]

Great to see Eric go through all the technical details!

[@pjfan173]

Very cool video and I informative. I just built a shop with in-floor radiant heating and now understand how the thing works.

[@DetailCarPro]

Was missing your videos 3 days!! So glad to log on and see RR buildings show!!

[@wirenut003]

Eric does very meticulous work. The system is like a road map all over the place, but he knows where it all goes. That is a really nice boiler, designed with technology in mind. Well, best of heat to you guys.

[@Elektrotechniker]

Do you mean viessmann?

[@henrybgross4702]

Ive been watching you for a couple years now. You're an impressive builder, Thank you for sharing your abilities.

[@NotTelling51]

That was a great episode. Very informative and talk about quality work. The guy is an artist. For my money, this is the way to go.

[@PATRICK-zj9xb]

What a terrific install, the mark of a Craftsman!! Nice choice Kyle! Looking forward to see how it works over the upcoming winter!

[@jamesfischer5389]

QUALITY SELLS ITSELF ALL DAY LONG! ☮️💜🇺🇸

[@electricianron_New_Jersey]

Cheers and Happy Thanksgiving to all of the trade professionals out there!!!

[@rangerdoc1029]

My only suggestion is to do counter-flow configuration on the manifolds. Hot manifold inlet on the left. Return manifold outlet on the right. That way in theory, every circuit has the same pressure differential. With both inlet & outlet on the left, that first loop sees a huge pressure differential & more flow (that's why your glycol returned first even though it was the longest loop). The loop on the right will have the lowest flow.

[@thomasswearingen6971]

I thought that they took care of that. Every loop has a flow meter and they adjusted them to be the same. You are correct you need a way to control the flow. The simple solution is opposite in and out. One of my customers put in a wood boiler 20 years ago. He said that figuring out the flow was a pain. He took two weeks to adjust valves to control the heat. The crazy thing was it was -10 or -20 f out side and we left the garage door open for two hours. Had to get the tool off my truck. The shop when back to temperature in thirty minutes. Not even a radiant tube heater can do that. I didn't understand when he closed the door he said. Get your tools then you might want to take off your coat. I thought that I was going to have to use gloves all day. Blows my mind that the temperature changed over 60° so fast. If you can put it in do. One shop I delivered to put radiators and fans to use a boiler. They dropped there gas bill by over halve.

[@danielcaldwell3266]

What you're referring to is called reverse return piping. And yes, it can balance the secondary or primary loop flow, but you need to calculate the exact length of return relative to all of the Pd in your system. On paper, it looks like a great idea and was used in commercial HVAC systems a lot in the 90s. Since then, a lot of different technologies came out that are much more capable of dynamic balancing and easier to implement. I think that what you mean is every circuit would have equal flow (GPM) not Pd, since the circuits are different lengths, you use the manual balancing valve to change Pd to equalize flow. Of course, this is for the max pump setting, so if the pump turns down - technically the system is out of balance again. Good news is - concrete radiant mass isn't a precision control application. Any questions on hydronic conrol or balancing, let me know.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

Kyle, just when you thought you had a lot of Milwaukee pack-out and shelving, here's a guy who has wall to wall Milwaukee in his service van! It's a good brand! They have definitely increased there tool and battery reliability, I guess you could call it, but I know you're glad to get your radiant heat hooked up and just in time for the winter months!

[@blh3741]

how about a follow up in energy usage on your shop? Trying to learn more for a shop build in NC. Not much info from local plumbers in current location in NorCal. Biggest drawback is the need for propane in the future locale, vs NG that we currently have here along with a tube heater which isn't the best scenario for a woodshop... :~(

[@amcfoamtech]

"This plumbing stuff is easy!" while checking to see if Eric is in ear shot 🤣🤣🤣

[@RRBuildings]

All day

[@steveanderson4768]

It’s amazing how that guy can nerd out over all of this stuff but the cool part is the technology that is out there is unbelievable, and like you said, if you have the means to do it, why not

[@chuckh5031]

So awesome Eric did your heat, you guys clicked so well. Very fun and informative episode on plumbing.

[@mattclarkson8533]

Little tip for getting material out if the hole saw if you dont have anything with you. Unscrew the arbor from the hole saw and use the pilot bit to push material out from the back.

[@linusroekaerts4217]

In Belgium, we put the tubes in the floor under pressure before pouring the floor, so the tubes can expand

[@alexmadeley714]

Hi Kyle. One thing you might want to consider is the temperature of the hot water if you have any potable water in a storage tank. Warm water is a great breeding ground for all manner of bacteria like Legionella. Setting the tap water, not the heating side, to 150 degrees Fahrenheit will kill those bugs. Not sure this is applicable to your shop as I don't see a storage tank, but thought I would mention it anyway.

[@jonasgranlund4427]

Regarding the efficiency of boiler at different temperatures, you can compare it a little with going a certain distance and either do it in 100 miles and hour and stop 1h for gas and food or drive slower without a stop and reach the end destination at the same time. The speeding and eating will need more juice to get the same destination. :) This was a really really nice work, just like usual!

[@FredMcIntyre]

Cool stuff Kyle, Eric does awesome work! ... If you end up putting led strips in the mechanical room like you mentioned, it'll probably look like the inside of a high end gaming PC in there! 😃👍🏼👊🏼

[@Overpar73]

Fantastic work Eric! I have the same manifolds for my in-floor heat, I have 3 mains and 24 loops, everything has been working great!

[@kevincorbin6273]

Tech just keeps getting better making installation more efficient, not like sweating lead back in the day

[@MODERNMILT]

Great Video Guys! Looked like a fun Project

[@dougnicholas2317]

Eric is a good plumber. Love his attention to details.

[@ghassansalah6603]

Well done.Good job. You are a professional. I feel this system is very complicated. You have the best tools. Floor- heating is not recommended because it is unhealthy for the respiratory system.

[@czmiller72]

Since when …..and who doesn’t recommend

[@snomofilms]

Most satisfying video on KZbin right here

[@smacmoyle]

A system like this is in a big aircraft hangar i worked in. It didnt work well for a building in NY in the winter when an entire wall is opened up a few times a day to get aircraft in and out but the other hangar didnt have as much traffic so it stayed nice and warm. As you say you need to pick the right system for the building. For hangars I like gas radient heaters because they recover quickly

[@AlexRorth]

Low loss header, glycol injection, valves everywhere, manifolds nicely placed, neutralizer cartridge, mounted expansion tank with valves and support, and a viessman (vitodens?). This is a very good install. You can use a refractometer to verify glycol mixture is correct. Flush that boiler domestic side every year with a tankless water heater cleaner for the time specified on the label (I use nu calgon vital Flo). Nice video!

[@MikrySoft]

Wow, the markup on that "cleaner" is insane. 8 fl.oz for about $25, when it's just phosphoric acid, you can get 2 gallons of food grade acid for $80 in Walmart.

[@HarleyD625]

one of the best videos you've made, very informative

[@DGALVIN45]

OG Eric Aune 💪💯

[@WreckDiver99]

These closed loop PID Controlled boilers have come so far in the past decade. My home furnace is about 6 or 7 years old now. Kind of runs the same principle of "Just uses enough energy to keep things going" and runs pretty often, but it burns way less natural gas than my previous "High Efficiency" did. All about the fan control along with the burner control.

[@clintd3476]

Such a satisfying visual install. Thanks. Like looking at a circuit board.

[@ivavossi]

Great show, guys.

[@bpl1376]

Eric does a great job of breaking this all down - always does.

[@davidbray6515]

Credit to the plumber their kyle really organised and very clean job

[@mxzrevman64]

awesome, thats a work of art right there

[@rushd45]

One therm is the energy content of approximately 100 cubic feet (2.83 cubic metres) of natural gas at standard temperature and pressure.

[@Dizzymagooful]

Come on Kyle! 75 minutes and we didn't even get a sexy Thermal Camera shot of the floor and the tubes?! Get a FLIR and lets see that sexy radiant floor!

[@ChrisMaveric]

Good stuff booyz!.. shout out for Mn too!! Enjoyed the video, as always...sick workmanship never gets old.

[@richardthompson2172]

This episode from Victory was the most entertaining. Please don’t give up your day job.

[@Skjaeg69]

for the penetrations, if you first drill your full sized hole all the way through, if you afterwards use the wholesaw in wholesaw trick, and enlarge only your whole in the vinyl and plywood by an inch, that would give you an additional half inch gap all the way around the vent and fresh air pipe to get into and seal the majrex, and after the pipe is directly sealed to the majrex, on the side where you can get the closest to it, you would be able to use backer rod and caulk it pretty, all while only having the proper sized hole on the outside and through the rockwool itself. its a lot extra work, but you do love to go the extra mile

[@lordpaxman]

“If it was hard I probably wouldn’t have gave you that job…”. Awesome!!!!

[@HugeBulkingtonMcGoochy]

When Kyle and Greg were talking through the hole in the exterior wall, the layers of rock wool were absorbing the sound waves of their voices as they traveled through the hole. That’s why they couldn’t hear each other.

[@ffbells]

Best video yet, I’m a hydronics fanatic! 😊

[@nordyfamily]

Just in case you didn’t know, the new Milwaukees have a setting so you don’t snap your wrist when drilling big holes

[@Martinsolberg]

3 min inn and you already know the plumper i gonna be a chill dude!

[@Redcrown77]

I have a shop that needs this system! Hopefully this year 🤞

[@dunckeroo1987]

There is an optimum intersection in cost curves for electricity and gas expense : Boiler water temperature vs pumping duty cycle. The lower water temperature that can used, the more efficient the condensing boiler efficiency for gas -- but longer pumping cycle results in more electricity used. Also consider that a perimeter circuit near exterior walls will likely need more flow to achieve same slab temperature than more central circuits.

[@davewilliams639]

Fine job Eric

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

pipe dope in the form of a tape roll, very nice!

[@KTSLAY]

Milwaukee 3 tooth carbide hole saws are the best. Plug falls right out, fast. Painless. Beautiful. Definitely not for a nice finish, but the best for running pipe or duct work

[@CityMedic]

Can you tell me the make and model of the boiler please? Also this supplies the hot water for faucets, shower, etc as well as the radiant flooring?

[@brivas3343]

Very interesting episode.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

I always remove the hole saw from the arbor to get the wood or metal out! much faster and easier!

[@bradennash9491]

"I'll shove in from the outside, you just tell me what you want." 😂

[@segdoh]

Thanks, great content!!!! Happy Thanksgiving!

[@brianhubbard4175]

What a great video. Very educational, and entertaining. I enjoyed it. God bless.

[@AlanLamb-p4p]

@truewerk work gear looking good. It’s what we wear in our facilities department instead of the crappy rental work gear our company offers. We buy all our own work gear and it’s dam worth it! As an HVAC mechanic it makes climbing in and out of Air Handlers a breeze!

[@nicholasholderman9517]

Awesome install. You guys rock!!!

[@stuartstephens]

Great episode, it answered a lot of questions I've had about in floor heat. I didn't know of Eric before now but I live in Minneapolis - I'll file his name away for future reference. If I ever build my dream shop I'll know who to call for heating.

[@michaelolenick4078]

Looks very good Justin.

[@c.j.g.6913]

Really enjoying your extended videos. Keep them coming and the new HQ is looking great.

[@maxservice567]

Keep it coming from Phill and Sarah Parnham from New Zealand 😊

[@zfilmmaker]

I collect those Knipex wrenches, love em!

[@danielsoroken9596]

Been in the wholesale plumbing and heating industry for over 50 years, first as an owner and later worked for one of the largest wholesalers in the Northeast. I've seen the good the bad and the downright ugly. You my friend do more right than 99% of every plumbers whose work I'm familiar with. Not only are skills top notch but the products you put into the build.. Loved the hydro seperator, I'm curious if it was a magnetic seperator, Awesome to see no auto water feeder, axiom feeder is definitely the way to go. If I'm returning a defective boiler to a mfgr they now want a water sample. One suggestion and maybe it was there and I didn't see it, did you use Axioms demineralizing cartridge for the system fill? Congrats on being top notch!