RUBY FRANKE & JODI HILDEBRANDT SPEAK, DR JOHN REACTS

[@jenniferfranke2138]

This is the first episode I’ve ever watched with you both, and as someone from the extended side of the Franke family I felt that Dr John was right on about things. This episode helped me a lot as I’m trying to sort through things.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

There is no better compliment. We want to help and hope we can.

[@dragonflyy000]

@jenniferfranke2138 Please remember, and possibly share with the kids? Just as much as Kevin & the rest of the family feel is ok...not to be hurtful at all, just thought maybe knowing LOTS of people care about them and are praying for them everyday, might help them see that NONE of this IS THEIR FAULT... That LOTS of prayers are being said for ALL of the Franke kids. No one deserves this kind of treatment, most of all NOT children, AND NOT that this matters, (because NO CHILD deserves ABUSE!!) But MOST of all, NOT THESE WELL-BEHAVED, YOUNG, & INNOCENT CHILDREN. ALL of it broke my heart.....as The Mother of an "ANGEL", Ruby doesn't realize just HOW BLESSED she is, or rather she WAS, to have had all her 6 kids home with her, Happy, Healthy & With what should have been well-adjusted kids. Instead, She took those 6 gifts given to her by God, and she didnt do her God given job, Simply to PROTECT them, NOT HARM them. I'd give ANYTHING to have my son back, to have my family back whole. That is something we cn never have back. I pray these kids are able to find the strength God has instilled in them, and they will find ways to heal, find their own mark in this world, what God must have planned for them....I bet they will grow up & do AMAZING things! Probably for kids who experience the awful things they endured as well. They will hopefully find even more healing as they help others......I pray their physical recovery is quick, as well as their mental and emotional recovery. While I know the latter will be a more of a battle for them, I pray God gives them the healing, strength & PEACE they each need. Their stories are NOT over, and one day we all will watch them with awesome wonder with their stories and their road back to 110% complete recovery! GOD BLESS EACH ONE OF THESE CHILDREN!!! †　Prayers & Blessings.....from Indiana ＼(^o^)／

[@dragonflyy000]

@@HiddenTrueCrime Its my 2nd time being here!! I'm so grateful I found your channel, as well as the other channel I just stumbled across, it was thru that channel that I found this one! Not knowing much at all about Mormons or the LDS, (I grew up in & still am a part of the Christian faith) so I admit I know nothing about how these other religions operate, what their main beliefs are, who exactly they worship, & what book (like the Bible? Do they study the Bible?) they get their knowledge from.....but feel I am starting to learn alot from both these channels. So just wanted to say, THANK YOU for all the hard work you're doing to get these stories told... and for informing the rest of us who are respectfully curious. I am really praying for JJ & Tylee's family, as well as the Franke children. I pray God gives them all the healing, strength & PEACE they all need & DESERVE. This isn't anything that's ever grabbed my attention before, but its certainly touched my heart!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!! These stories NEED to be told...so THANK YOU!

[@duanehole3390]

So I'm sure you saw the interview with the man who was the ward leader. ( not sure if that is the correct term) . Talked about what he discovered at a party the Franke sisters had.It involved couples that were having interview marriage activities among other disgusting morally bankrupt behaviors. I'm sure you know who this person was or is so you can watch what he said during this interview. It shocks me that the people who look like the moral right fighter are the total opposite lol

[@JoanTeasdale]

Oh my God what is it with these preppers can't believe it there.Oh I just can't believe it.Yes, I believe in being prepared to degree.But this is way out way out is taking over there entire lives.They're gonna ask her if the second coming.Oh my god

[@TheHikercrone]

Ruby's thanking of people was so very cringeworthy - 100% ingratiating. Why didn't she apologize to each of her children, by NAME. She still treats the children as property, hers. Thanks Dr John!

[@SweetPeaz-gf4nl]

You are so right, there should have been apologized to her children individually and by name. It’s like she still doesn’t see them as people. I hope she spends the whole 30 years in prison. 🤬

[@SweetPeaz-gf4nl]

Apologies…it should have been apologies. I was so mad I forgot how to word!

[@karencollins2661]

I've never heard of the parole board handing out the sentencing. The Judge doesn't do much of anything. Yes Dr. John I'm understanding a lot from you.

[@LouxNUH]

​@@karencollins2661it's pretty common, actually. My abuser is sitting a similar sentence with a max of 10 years. Minimum of 19 mos. The parole board has denied him since he's been in. In my state at least, they deny your first one in nearly every instance. Parole boards aren't very forgiving. Victims and others are allowed to write the parole board to influence their decision. So, I've hope they will do a great deal of the sentencing range.

[@thegroovyhead]

Tou-CHÉ ! Yes!

[@renee1567]

Ruby will never go away quietly. She plotting her next break out role , movie, miniseries. She’s ambitious, greedy and enough of a narcissist to brush the past away and create a new vision for all to see . No child should ever be near her again . Thanks , to Dr. John and Lauren .

[@Luvscience069]

They should have included in the plea, that she’s not allowed to profit from her crime. Ie writing a book or do a show or anything else.

[@lianehihath3439]

Well said

[@missvickimae1150]

@@Luvscience069she can’t while locked up and maybe still on parole but once she does her time they can’t control what she does we still live in a free country, kinda lol.

[@interpol1234]

I'm a forensic psychologist. You're saying exactly what I've been saying. Jody gave Ruby permission. The entire family is abusive. Ruby thanking everyone was a major act to schmooze everyone. The prosecuting attorney bought in to her act. It wasn't an enlightenment it was manipulation.

[@charmcshane3517]

Terminating her parental rights is a good start to a 20yr sentence. Kevin should not get custody. Supervised visitations only, until the youngest is 18.Everyone involved with Connections need to be investigated.

[@missvickimae1150]

Well thats the Mormon Church so good luck w that lol

[@marjorieamic8994]

Agree with you totally. Kevin seems weak and brainwashed , not up to nurturing his children.

[@bettychurchill5545]

Agree with Dr John 100%. Ruby deserves more than 4 years. Did not buy her remorseful statements.

[@barbararuell8199]

Remember also when 8 passengers was on she was getting criticized for her abuse and she denied and ignored it at the time she did not take an inward look at herself but glorified herself = sick mind

[@susan9630]

She wasn't actually remorseful.

[@icequeen6512]

Look at how differently ppls attitudes are towards lori vallow and ruby franke. Lets not forget that the ONLY difference between both cases is Ruby's children survived. With NO thanks to ruby.

[@hadrianwall-r7h]

That's not the only difference.

[@thegroovyhead]

Y-E-S! Very well said.

[@fonkamex]

They have the same set of beliefs too.

[@kaycaravaggio7054]

Well said. Had Russell not escaped to the neighbor, I do not think these young children would have survived.

[@christydurbin9277]

EXACTLY and had she not been caught her kids might be dead too

[@juliablair4963]

She forgot to thank the neighbor who called 911 and she forgot to thank her son who asked the neighbor for help.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Yesssss!!!

[@powderandpaint14]

Or the numerous neighbors and family members who called CPS on the family before!

[@allheartandsong]

And Shari, who was their mother for all those format9ve years.

[@deborahpoole9710]

She isn’t thinking about her children. Now. Or then. She is the only one on her radar. Monster never mother.

[@shirleybleazard8049]

@@allheartandsongGosh, I haven’t heard about this!

[@jessica19874]

The idea that Jodi helped Ruby feel OK about unleashing her anger on her children is really insightful and helpful; it helps me to add nuance to my understanding of how Jodi impacted Ruby! Thanks Dr. John.

[@CritikalTinker]

Jodi’s “apology “ sounded so much like one of those non-apologies that start with “ I’m sorry that you feel that way …”

[@LLcoolDay]

I've studied law and psychology and I said something very similar on Reddit. My take was: "What Jodi gave Ruby PERMISSION (that's the exact verbage I used) to openly express the anger and sadism that was simmering just below the surface. Jodi supplied the language Ruby needed to cloud those acts of hate and violence under the guise of moral superiority. For a narcissist, that stamp of approval and encouragement is like saying pass go and collect your 200 hundred. Lean in and be everything You've been hiding. Ruby had all of that rage and potential to abuse inside of her way before she met Jodi" I also commented that my sadistic abusive ex knew exactly when to deliver apologies like this and as sincere as they sound, you need to trust what you see not what you hear.

[@haintedhouse2990]

Jodi also gave Ruby her twisted invitation to be more than her business partner. no shade on my gay friends but steer clear of a closeted angry lesbian who's a man-hater as well - ask the fathers who were her target when it came to destroying families.

[@duanehole3390]

Very astute comments. I believe 100% accurate

[@maggiebarrettbarrett5684]

I can't stand to listen to her ,she was always a horrible mother long before her life with Hillybrant .

[@HopeLaFleur1975]

I agree!! I don’t buy into her remorse she is a liar!!

[@Georgie3463]

John hit the nail on the head! Jodi gave Ruby PERMISSION!

[@sandyschneider6792]

Yes, but Ruby was abusing her kids even before Jodi & her husband went along with it as well (with the oldest first … if I recall correctly). It was less severe but already occurring !!

[@Jo-Elle504]

She certainly did give Ruby permission to go the “extra” mile. Ruby truly does not seem to like her children. She says she loves them, but it’s a twisted version of “love.”

[@sandyschneider6792]

@@Jo-Elle504 not even love. Narcissist do not know true love or agape love or behavior.

[@Jo-Elle504]

@@sandyschneider6792 I’m not sure she’s a narcissist. I don’t know what her issue is, really. She’s definitely a horrible person and a terrible mother. I see the word narcissist everywhere these days, but my guess is there are a lot of levels of it and there’s not one definition that fits all of them. Ruby honestly seems like an unpleasant angry person. All the time.

[@helenr4300]

2 already abusive women met together and fed off each other's mindsets

[@9eyeswideopen]

Ruby knows exactly what the court needed to hear from her she’s not stupid. And the one person she failed to thank is RF only because his bravery she would’ve been before the court for murder.

[@TruthBeTold4ever-j1n]

This is a great point!!!! Russell FREED her (his mom!), and she didn’t thank him!!!

[@robinsaxophone232]

Yes, Ruby’s definitely a performer and she was only acting remorseful because she was caught and wants an early parole. She will probably be a model prisoner but I hope the parole board doesn’t fall for her.

[@janettrowbridge8042]

This!!! ⬆️

[@lianehihath3439]

This woman is a manipulator, she plays people just like Loriliar Vallow does.

[@lianehihath3439]

I really hope Ruby serves a minimum of 15 years.

[@stacyq7656]

My mom is similar to Jodi and Ruby. When you showed Jodi getting upset over not controlling reviews, it reminded me so much of her. I had to recently cut her off when I realized she would never stop being delusional and having control over her children was always her goal, not love.

[@abelis644]

I'm so sorry, no child, of any age, deserves a "bad" Mom. Sending peace, love and hugs! 🌷🦋💐 👋🇨🇦🌠

[@tchili1]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@heyitzcece]

Divide and conquer was my mothers go to, there were 4 of us and her goal in life was to keep us apart, and it worked. I think they call it coercive control now.

[@karenderose524]

❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️

[@ellaella5537]

I’m so sorry to hear, I’m so glad that you can now clearly see she was the problem and you weren’t. ❤

[@mariasmith2297]

Like any real narcissist, she doesn’t see herself as flawed. She’s simply a victim.

[@SweetUniverse]

Yes! My mother was narcissistic & never took any responsibility for her actions. She was an alcoholic who had 4 DWIs, none of which were her fault. One time she blamed the people who called 911 after they found my mother sitting in her car in a ditch. She failed the breathalyzer & went to jail & yet it was this other person's fault.

[@mariasmith2297]

@@SweetUniverse Your Mother in the ditch accusing her rescuer describes what so many of us have endured. There’s so many parts to a heavy heart. Jesus helps me put it back together. If there’s no beginning then where would we start? I think it’s spiritual warfare. Here’s to never giving in and fighting the good fight . 🕊️♥️

[@rachelc9180]

Typical blame shifting

[@KarisPigNose]

I think lay members of the community throw around the term narcissist too often.

[@inuchan74]

When Ruby gets out of prison I can totally see her going on a Gypsy Rose-esque publicity tour, writing a book about her fall from grace, brainwashing and her road to redemption. Make me gag!!

[@Opiniatedwoman]

She will absolutely do that!!

[@reneewilliams5777]

​@@Opiniatedwomanidk I think she's saying what she has to say to get leniency and hopefully get less time. Not sure if people would be as open to that as they were with Gypsy Rose

[@lianehihath3439]

I 💯

[@dianayount2122]

interesting take

[@Sudsy11-zj1tw]

😬🤮 yeah. Its sucks to see it coming though.

[@carriereid4234]

Narcissists/sadists give the very best apologies when needed!

[@joannewilkins5000]

Except Jodi as she still fighting to be right and to blame the children.

[@viviannewbury7276]

Insincere apologies

[@AnnCarmody]

Another brilliant insight into the minds of Jody and Ruby. Ruby has always been cruel to her children before she even met Jody. She took pride in telling the world of her harsh punishments on the children. Jody will never believe the punishments she inflicted on the children was wring and cruel. I fear she will form her own little cult in prison.

[@missvickimae1150]

100% she will and she has $ so that w give her power and popularity unfortunately and I completely agree w Dr John she w probably enjoy it and have her little minions on the outside that have short time doing whatever and a prison full of impressionable women uugh. Recipe for disaster but the best alternative.

[@haintedhouse2990]

i wouldn't count on it. even though Jodi is built like a linebacker child abusers don't do well with the likes of Large Marge from Cellblock 3. Ruby and Jodi will both be sleeping with 1 eye open.

[@watchdog8058]

@@haintedhouse2990 i hope you are right!

[@MerilynRowan]

This is what sets y’all above other true crime podcasts. Dr. John’s analysis was so interesting and educational.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you so much!

[@heathertaylor6774]

Dr John you are the first person to talk sensibly about Ruby. I'm in N. Ireland and people here are talking about this case. It also made headlines in our newspapers.

[@lianehihath3439]

@heathertaylor6 774what would the courts in Ireland do in such a case?

[@heathertaylor6774]

@@lianehihath3439 I'm not sure but I have a feeling a judge here wouldn't have put up with Ruby's Oscar like speech

[@DeeLish2000]

Let’s just say an Irish judge would not be as polite!!!!!

[@juliablair4963]

Ruby felt freedom when she was handcuffed, not when her son went to neighbor to ask for help and call 911

[@thegroovyhead]

Tou-CHÉ!

[@coralieelliott2076]

Don't forget how she yelled and screamed in family court how her son that saved himself and her family should never be with other children---she said a lot of other demeaning things about this child as well.

[@TraceD007]

The list of ‘thank you’s’ was ridiculous. Sounded like she was accepting some kind of life achievement award. I hope they both stay in prison a very long time. How could anyone convince you to do the physically hurtful things she did to her own children, let alone the emotionally damaging things?? No. It isn’t just brainwashing by Jodi. I’ll never buy that.

[@kathywright7395]

Dr John is putting into words what has bothered me all along. Now I get it.

[@pjstrait4298]

Award winning actress and supporting role! You are so accurate, Dr. John and Lauren! Persuasion will not prevail! Justice will!! 🙏

[@missiris1234]

Ruby was trying to blame Jody for everything and I am not buying it. Prayers for the children🙏🏼

[@orianjuarez3074]

Me either. If she had a thought of her own. She chose not to verbally express it. Blindly following Jodi's guidance? I doubt it. Prayers for all the Franke children.🙏💖

[@DandelionFluffonaSpoon]

Her behaviour was concerning way before Jody, excuses!

[@honeybunch5765]

​@rchristy5767 agree, her kids feared her way before Jodi became part of their lives. You might have seen this, there is a video where Ju her third youngest, as a small kid hid a soft toy in a bag on some family trip. Ruby discovered the toy and then recorded Julie's reaction. She asked Julie why she tried to sneak the toy pass her(Ruby). Julie, very nervesous, answered that she was scared of getting in trouble. The whole video clip is troubling, you can see the two girls being very uncomfortable. This is years before Jodi was apart of Ruby's life.

[@mevv]

Me either. I guess she doesn't count all the abuse that went on before she met/followed Jodi. She was already cruelly punishing her kids on a vlog.

[@jennywinget1144]

So are her parents and her brother. Before Jodi entered into the picture Ruby was abusive to her children while having 8 passengers on YT

[@julietteboser1202]

I've read comments by other “Gems” and am heartened by the clear eyed view of Ruby's supposed awakening. Her comments were cringe worthy and lacked sincerity or a sense of shame or regret. I hope she receives the longest sentence allowed. Both women are a menace to society and should be kept away from children for the rest of their sorry lives. I also believe that Kevin should carry some of this guilt. His willingness to go along with Ruby's cruelty during their UTube years and his absence while these horrendous acts were being perpetrated says a lot about his character as well. This cult is truly frightening.

[@BrickbyBrick-]

It's the narcistic strategy making the abuser to look like a victim.

[@chewyjello1]

She only thanked and apologized to those that she feels are in positions of authority that may hold some sway over her getting what she wants! And what was said about Pam makes so much sense now!!

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

Wow. Dr. John, u nailed it for me when u said that what's really going on here is Ruby met someone who gave her PERMISSION to abuse. Same dynamic w Chad/Lori. My own mother was bpd and I can recall so, so, many times when she would take great satisfaction and brag gleefully to me why it was okay to do whatever she wanted to us bc someone or some doctrine or some psycho-babble of the times condoned it. The look on her face was so scary and maniacal in those moments. I see those looks on Jodi and Ruby hundreds of times while reviewing their podcasts.

[@maryarmstrong2231]

So glad to see you guys. Fighting the winter blues as a military spouse relocated in South Korea. When y’all come on my feed it’s like two smart friends discussing the things that fascinate and confound me. Thank you for doing what you do (keeping my serous depression at bay) and I have subscribed to the new channel❤

[@nancyjaynes2868]

I did not hear her renounce her accusation of one of her children, so is that still her mindset?

[@karenkane3220]

Those kids were treated like slaves!

[@pscCRPS]

I would love to see a podcast on the psychology of mormon moms and what makes them go off the rails.

[@sharonschulze-wahrmund4212]

What is it about these Mormon Moms and harming their children?

[@erinharper5805]

Check out the Mormon Stories Podcast coverage of this case. They discuss at length the issues with the Mormon culture that create this kind of abuse

[@kateashby3066]

The answer is narcissism. Ab*se and coddling causes it, then you grow up to be like Ruby. Then you do those same things to your own kids and a new batch of narcissists are created. It’s the same reason why Catholics have a lot of narcissists. My dad was raised Catholic and was IDENTICAL to Ruby’s parenting style. He was also a narc (deceased now). It’s amazing what fear of going to h3ll will do to people. Instead of leading with love like Jesus taught, they’re taught that they have to fight for that spot in heaven and that the devil is everywhere trying to temp you to lose that spot (breeds paranoia). And that’s pretty damn stressful. This is why you don’t see much narcissism in say… buddhism or Hinduism. They don’t believe in h3ll and what they DO believe in (karma) they choose not to lead with that fear.

[@hope46sf]

Thanks to both of you!! I think you are spot on, John! Where is the LOVE for her children? And what about Kevin? He went along w the over- disciplining, in the video where the kid's possesions were put in a bag until they did chores. If they didn't fulfill them, the confiscated items would be thrown away! Yikes! What parent does that! I hope both women get way longer than the minimum of 4 years!

[@MrCurtishinkle]

I was one of those who were manipulated by Ruby Franke's speech into thinking she was remorseful. I am so glad I listened to Dr. John. I could really understand what she was doing. He had me laughing at how crafty she was. It really was like her Oscar's speech. Thanks for sharing your expertise.

[@MojaveDiva]

When Ruby was close to the end of her statement, she said that she was so grateful for all the law enforcement to bless her, to know that she had done wrong. This was the same as she told her children when she punished them.

[@brigittemair1713]

Ruby just gave another great show, as she gave on her chanel for years. I whould love to listen to Jodys latest phone calls...

[@Jilliana.108]

Jodi looked terrified. Imagine, she thinks she is in a room full of satanic and evil people , r essentially she was removed, captured from her safe bunker and is in purgatory. The devil won. She looks like she is in shock. I think that's why she looked so rough.

[@dawnlizmc]

Exactly what I thought. Jodi wasn't lieing. She was omiting the manner of her love. She still thinks her ways are the only right ways and if not stopped she'd still be abusing.

[@nancygirard7343]

I would agree with you Dr. John! There was something phony and manipulative about her huge confession!

[@janahertzberg6485]

I agree with John 100 percent! What I found interesting that I learned tonight is that there is some form of rage in there. I think a lot of this comes down to the strict religion that does maybe have pent up rage. She was not a perfect mom prior to Jodi. I think John is right. She met Jodi said go ahead with your rage it is ok.

[@robinsaxophone232]

The photos of Ruby and Jodi together reminded me of a couples engagement photos. Can’t help but speculate.

[@maggielusk6833]

Me too. I've always thought that their relationship went a lot deeper than business partners! On the Connections video Jodi couldn't keep her hands off Ruby and she was playing up to it!

[@irishmclass2042]

I thought the same. Jodi destroyed marriages, moved the husband out so she could replace them. Sick…

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Hahaha,looks like you were right. They actually had an affair. It's been confirmed in Shari Franke's book.

[@amiosa35]

Interesting that you mention Defiance! I see a lot of defiance in Ruby prior to the Jodi Era. Perhaps they connected on that.

[@merichase9627]

Thank you for shining a light on what is true. In my opinion, she was remarkably mean to her children before Jodi, as you said, gave her permission.

[@SpicyBeautifulDisaster]

Franke sounded remorseful, but there wasn’t an apology to her children. She also didn’t acknowledge her actions. She just blamed Jodi for everything. I took it as she said what she needed to look good.

[@luciennetaylor4608]

Not really 😮

[@Arandomperson_online]

She’s fake

[@DarinkaPopov-jr6ge]

Halow from Serbia Europe. I love to watch your chanell and analysis that you make about those two weard women. I reading about Rube`s parents, who are the very influential people in church, and they were in my country to promote the book of her mother whyl Ruby was arrest. They had influenced to justice sistem, i`m 100% shoure. Rubi took advise from parents how to act in court. Those two persons are thry ewell and never should be around the children. Dr John you are right, they are fool of rage and some psychological problem. And they will never change. Love you guys ❤

[@missvickimae1150]

Wow, interesting and sick at the same time ty!

[@lauricarter1626]

Could not figure out why this abuse was such a different MO of Jodi's (the literal abuse of kids)---it was RUBY's doing! Jodi thru therapy "gave" her permission...wow, this makes sense! Bingo, John!! 🏆

[@jackiecochrane140]

She thanks all the people to get everyone on her side which may assist her in public favour for parole or project her in a positive light when she is released.Totally agree with John, she is mitigating her role in the crimes.

[@jillargos7729]

Love Dr John and his evaluations, spot on. Your Videos Luren even w/o Dr John are terrific, love them. IMO Ruby is an actress, and should get the same punishment as Jody, who is a very sick person. I will have a huge problem with the judicial system if Ruby gets a lesser sentence. A mother protects their children, Ruby does not. Jody is a scary person, too. Ruby was abusive before Jody, and when they got together it was a perfect storm.

[@thegroovyhead]

Absolutely.

[@swimfor1000yrs]

Sorry I missed this live! But ‘gives permission’ is the truest definition of what happened here. I hope the parole board sees this or has a Dr. Babe type that can let them see through her words!

[@samanthahughes5135]

I thought the exact same as Dr. John but he just puts it into words so much better than I ever could. Thank you both for all your hard work and doing this video. ❤❤ Sending love all the way from Scotland, UK

[@cessiahc]

Wow, thank you Dr. John. Right on. Over simplifying, perfect parent/ person to killer… permission to act out, indulge… Her speech was so off even the judge & prosecutors missed it. She’s no better now; she’s worse. Thanking people was foul. It all should have been about her children. This is what this was about but again she leads everyone away from the point, core & seriousness of her crimes. She does not acknowledge her wrongs but stead people. I did not hear an apology or remorse for her crimes against her children , the reason she’s in court.

[@debbiegonzales4399]

Both of these women on their own were monsters..as a Team..nearly lethal to these children. BOTH of them are guilty of this and so much more! RF is the hero of this horrific case. His escape was the catalyst that put a stop to their crimes. I just pray that RF, EF, and ALL their victims find the true help they need to recover from the mental and physical abuse.

[@jennywinget1144]

My heart goes out to RF. He was the hero. I am so glad he found such a nice neighbor to get help.

[@patricianoel7782]

I also see blame on the LDS Church as they referred their members to CONNEXIONS/Jodi. 😮

[@helenr4300]

Ruby denying being in a business partnership with Jodi (despite the online message being that they are/were) feels like trying to distance herself from anything suggesting that she and Jodi were ever on equal footing, this is important if trying to imply that she was merely misled by a coach/leader/counsellor whilst being the passive role.

[@missvickimae1150]

Could also be to help protect her from being sued when Jodi gets sued imo. ;)

[@slg2k]

On a again, Dr John eloquently states what we’ve all been feeling and couldn’t quite put our finger on. This is spot on- Ruby is a sadist and so is Jodi.jodi validates Ruby and *boom*

[@Groomerchick00]

I saw the photos of the wounds of RF. Wow. Disturbing. They are worse than I could have imagined. Evidence says it all. Hope they can come to reality while in prison. They will be there for a long time.

[@kristenzimmerman4162]

You look so pretty tonight Lauren. I love the look! Thank you for all the hard work you two do. You guys are a great team.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you so much!

[@missvickimae1150]

Ikr so beautiful tonight!

[@kannyplay9831]

The judge was wrong in his sentencing. Ruby shouldn't get out until her children are adults... like the youngest 21 years of age!

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

Sentence will b determined later, by parole board. Judge simply gave the longest range: 4 consecutive periods of 1 to 15 yrs, but capped in that state at 30 yrs. So, 4 to 30 is the range. I agree Ruby stay in prison 'til all kids legal adults and I would want even longer. Jodi deserves the max IMO: 30 yrs. and parole denial that entire time.

[@kannyplay9831]

@cynthiagimbel6590 the judge could have added that the children needed protected, and added the recommendation.

[@WyattRyeSway]

Agree though I guess I was thinking 18. That would be 8 years for Ruby. More for Jodi.

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

True a recommendation would have been better. I'm curious about the format of the actual sentencing hearing. Will victims, prosecutors, or the judge b participating?

[@NerdyDogMom1]

@@cynthiagimbel6590as part of the plea deal for Ruby the prosecution agreed to remain neutral at future parole hearings

[@Star-gw2sj]

All I could think during Ruby's speech was "actress,"

[@Star-gw2sj]

This is really helpful. Ruby callied her kids "chicks" and never used their names. No authenticity. Everything sounded like psycho-babble. Ruby and her lawyer and her parents probably came up with the story together, since her parents used the same words and her lawyer spoke in similar terms too.

[@jamielbis]

that's the part that got me the most. she gave up right to call them her chicks. it wasn't quaint. it was disgusting

[@mtaylor7307]

Spin control for sentencing which will continue to parole. She will get early release.

[@susan9630]

Jodi was afraid when she was taken into custody. When she told them she was not coming out of the house and they grabbed her and pulled her out, there was panic there.

[@rtd217]

Thank you for clarifying Ruby’s acceptance speech. She needs to be held until all of her children are grown!

[@meredithbrereton2752]

Lauren and Dr John thank you again for your work. You are an amazing team ❤ and 🙏

[@loribaker8339]

You guys are just starting tonight and I cannot wait to hear what Dr. John has to say about "Crazy & Crazier" comments at their hearings!!

[@WyattRyeSway]

Which ones which? 😂😂. JK. I think of Kevin, Ruby and Jodi as “Got off scott free”, “Got caught and locked up” and “Got caught, excoriated and locked up”.

[@claireterry1835]

I love seeing you two together! So happy you found each other!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@emilyflotilla931]

John nailed it with the comparison of Ruby meeting Jodi being akin to Lori meeting Chad. I've felt that way all along!

[@rhutabaga420]

This was so great, Dr. John's insights never fail to broaden my thinking and I want to say thank you both for your hard work!

[@traceonthecase]

I don't think Ruby was remorseful at all. A bit of a tone just enough to hear the snark and resentment that she feels because she has to say anything at all. She is saying all the things that would sound good to a judge. But none of it heartfelt.

[@janicegreene3599]

I have heard so many You Tubers say they think Ruby is very sincere. Sounds like the Judge believed her. Have these people seen any of her videos on Eight Passengers? Ruby was doing awful things to her children BEFORE Jodi moved in!! And what about what she said after her arrest in Court about RF? That was so evil!! You are so correct…the only difference between Lori and her is that by a miracle her children survived. She should be facing attempted murder charges!

[@jennywinget1144]

I think it was just for "show".

[@shirleybleazard8049]

Well put Dr. John!

[@FuzzyDoxie]

Dr. John nails it again. Curious if the Judge has LDS links. Love listening to you guys.

[@nemashaw4761]

Loran, your and Dr John’s podcasts are so valuable. Appreciate your work. I must say, you look amazing! The dress is stunning and brings out the blue of your eyes. The hair is so flattering! A wonderful place to be. It’s been a number of decades since I was at the height of my beauty. Enjoy every minute 💙

[@WyattRyeSway]

During her first court appearance, she said RF was looking a porn from 3 years old or something. Why didn’t she apologize to him for continuing his abuse as he had to be housed apart from his siblings in state care (Shari). Russell was supposed to have gone elsewhere. No apology to him?! I hope she gets until Eve is an adult. That’s 8 years. She deserves it. Jodi deserves much more. Water in jails and prisons is often not filtered so might be too full of rust or lime. It’s often not treated by water softeners or things like that on site.

[@BouncePieBasket]

It defies belief that she didn't have parental controls on everything- every device can be made secure. Three years old ? Negligent parenting or lies for sure.

[@lindatetterton9087]

How did a 3 year old have access to porn? That doesn't make sense!

[@louwinters508]

​@@lindatetterton9087it's not true that's why. Prn to Ruby and Jodi is mainstream tv.

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

Someone should let her know that if a baby gets excited when they see boobs it isn’t sexual they are probably hungry and think they can get a meal

[@GeraldineTurner-c8d]

You are so correct it took seven yrs. In therpy to stop all the hatred i had toward my brothers i denied the abuse it was real.

[@calmkitty2]

People were calling about things put on the YT channel. BEFORE Jodi showed up

[@Madly98]

I appreciate Dr John’s research so much! Thank you both for all the effort and care!

[@ondi37]

Ruby blames everybody but herself!

[@patriciabelyea2079]

You guys have done the best analysis of anyone. Thanks!!

[@christineanderson487]

WOW! Lauren your just glowing tonight

[@ruthaminian475]

You are both so brilliant.

[@irismckay6472]

You guys rock as a team for justice! Dr. John's comments about Ruby are so affirming to us listening to our intuition. For many of us who want to be forgiving and nonjudgmental, we need to balance that with holding criminals accountable for their behavior. Ruby came across as remorseful, but understanding mental illness and narcissism, it's pretty obvious she isn't.

[@daisyflowers9334]

Thank you Dr. John and Lauren for addressing the elephant in the room. I had my suspicions about Jodi. She was always trying to separate Wives from their Husbands and punish the Husbands, according to everything I watched on different you tube videos. She succeeded with Ruby and Kevin Franke, and a couple of other families.

[@lindawilder3148]

Brilliant! Yes Jody gave Ruby permission to unleash her anger. Wow!

[@skinnyt1971]

John's fired up. He is reacting not only to the criminal's barefaced duplicity, but more to the gullibility of the prosecution and judiciary. This criminal mightactually wangle out of just retribution for the terrorisation of her kids.

[@DeadParrot-yj8fn]

Dr. John’s take is spot on. TY

[@edithpeter7777]

You all are terrific!

[@emilou9654]

I totally agree Dr. John - exactly what I thought when she made the monologue in court. She is sorry for herself & took delight in being full control of her children before meeting Jody. Lauren you look beautiful in blue! Love from Scotland ❤

[@lizmiller9033]

♥Thank you!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you so much!!

[@SweetUniverse]

Ruby's statement reminds me of Sally Field gushing, "You like me! You really like me!"

[@LynnMartin-x5h]

Lol I remember that

[@britt7141]

I want to say that I really appreciate you using the actual terms relating to the topics at hand despite KZbin demonetizing you. I, personally, don't approve of the censorship of actual terms. It is important to "call a duck a duck" so to speak. If anything the censorship serves to minimize the severity of the topics at hand. I've joined as a member of this channel (finally! been wanting to for a while & can finally do so) to show my appreciation of both the content and your commitment to speaking the truth despite the "algorithm"'s disapproval of the vernacular surrounding these topics. Thank you for everything you've worked on in the past, present, & future! I found you initially through Mormon Stories (healing exmo here) & you both are an invaluable resource now.

[@aprilshowers21]

Love your additional insight and breakdown John and Lauren. Spot on imo. Also, Lauren that top is stunning on you. Keep up the good work guys! ❤

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thanks so much!

[@anntocoda1463]

Thanks to the littlest team member for his patience. It’s much appreciated.

[@EmmaCooksYouTubeChannel]

I cant believe this channel doesn't have more subscribers! It seems like a considerable amount of time and effort is put into these videos. It's a privilege to be able to hear from experts in the field, particular of this calibre. Although I might not always agree with things that are said, John's deep dives into these topics helps me keep an open and curious mind! I look forward to each and every video!

[@dedehigginbotham7346]

Jody’s address to Judge was her being a HERO. She took plea deal to protect children from having to testify!!!

[@jennydiver100]

Exactly. Jody was a permission slip. Right.

[@chaos9495]

Dr John's mind is fascinating, you can see him translating what HE KNOWS into what WE can understand. You are such an amazing team.

[@darcy2965]

Dr John I agree. She was playing to the public hence her comments about every human involved. I give her credit for being in process - she ain't gonna get healed overnight. It was manipulative and that's been a big part of her actions.

[@missvickimae1150]

They have good classes in prison I’m sure she w take everything to look good to parole and if she listens and pays attention maybe she can learn something about herself, her wrong thinking, her mistakes and learn what having self awareness is. She w b given the tools it’ll be up to her to use them imo.

[@cessiahc]

Dr. John, how long does it take to heal, help both the perpetrators and victims? Years? More & more in court it seems expected that by the time they go to court they have been changed. Both by the judge & the public. I think their attitude says more than words in these cases. They are going to prison to start the healing process, the process of changing or not changing?

[@carmaburley9949]

John is exactly right!

[@bandme796]

When I worked at a drug treatment center for women with children their drug court graduation talks often sounded like what Ruby had to say. "Thank to the officers who arrested me. Thank you to the CPS workers, foster parents thank you to ....... for having boundaries with me, holding me accountable for my actions. I was lost in my own mind and now I'm free." I could tell the ones who were sincere and the ones who were just glad to be out of there. I hope that the parole board will speak to at the very least the adult children and Kevin about their wishes. I hope Ruby gets the help she needs and I hope that she is in prison until at the very least her youngest is an adult. She should never have any visitation with her minor children.

[@Catfluff521]

Kevin? Who cares what he wants. He was there all along in the Eight Passengers years and was ok not to have contact with the two littles for a year.

[@deborahpoole9710]

Sadly she will need to want help and truly admit all the wrongs she did before she can be helped.

[@TraceD007]

So happy to hear about your new channel: HiddenTrueCrimeTrials

[@cornekriek5257]

Thank you! Dr John, your thoughts are very insightful.