Jessi Hildebrandt Speaks Out Against Jodi Hildebrandt, 8 Passengers & Ruby Franke | Ep. 1808

[@mimhahn]

"Abusers lose the right to privacy, it's my story now". That is the most liberating epiphany right there. WOW. I wish every silenced victim would see this!

[@karalee6522]

Beautifully said

[@NatalieMarie917]

It’s true. They made it your problem and therefore your own story to tell. And if the abuser is too ashamed for that story to come out, they should take that as a learning lesson and an opportunity to reflect on their choices. Maybe they should have thought of that beforehand.

[@tracyrodgers7378]

Perfect.

[@tj8114]

That is genius, and such an enlightening statement. Coming from an abusive family of origin, where the motto was “keep it in the family” this is empowering. I wish J. healing and peace.

[@rhutabaga420]

So powerful

[@kawaiiloco]

I’ve been tattooed by jessi before, we both have Mormon backgrounds and talked about leaving. I had no idea this is what they endured. Jessi is so brave ❤️ proud to have their art on me forever

[@SavageMinnow]

(Don't mind me, I'm just here to jump this comment)

[@timvandeursen2687]

Out of curiosity: what tattoo design did you get on you? :)

[@kawaiiloco]

@@timvandeursen2687they have tattooed me twice, I have a scorpion and a vase

[@777LadyVenus]

Wow what an honor to get her art on you❤ she’s a powerful lady

[@kathleencrews3329]

💕

[@greg6924]

Take notes, interviewers. This is how it should be done. Allowing the guest to speak and tell their story without interjecting or interrupting. Great job

[@michelledunne8990]

💯. Agree

[@celedhion]

I liked the video for Jessi (and went to follow their tattoo insta), but I subscribed for the interviewer. Aside from doing a fantastic job at interviewing, it's important to have a respectful, open-minded figure facilitating the stories of those that have been abused under these religious institutions.

[@gordonschedel368]

I agree so many times I’ve had to leave a channel because the actual person running the channel could not shut up and let their guest talk

[@Rin-yj6yb]

This is the best interview with her I've seen, and there is a few. His interview method made this feel like he was really listening to her story.

[@RealResponce]

True, then you edit it down to make intriguing!

[@tesshagensieker1700]

My mom is also a Mormon therapist and throughout my life she too would use dreams that "the spirit told me you did drugs" or alcohol, or had an abortion. I had not done any of those things and thats when i started questioning if the spirit even worked because clearly it mislead my mother.

[@pebblebrookbooks4852]

IMHO, that is nosy, not spiritual.

[@JustMeELC]

There is no spirit sending messages to certain people. It is either manipulation or mental illness Period, Full Stop!

[@xxsamlovexx]

That is so messed up. I’m sorry that happened to you. 💔

[@sharonmcferran9260]

What are you waiting for.??¿

[@sharonmcferran9260]

What are you waiting for.?? YES you are crazy

[@beth2721]

Jessi, you may never see this but the comment your father made about “nobody’s on your side”, is wildly untrue. You have tens of thousands of people who stand with you, who will listen to you, respect you,support you, and hope the best for you. You forever have our support. Stay strong and take care, Jessi ♥️

[@donna5499]

You are beautiful Jessie. I am so sorry you had to go thru this hugs Januari ❤🫂❤️🩸❤️🌺

[@ep5005]

I would say millions!

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

Now thousands if not millions are ❤💜💜💜

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

I hope her family reaches out to her!

[@marjorielittleton735]

I understand your emotions. I turned 73 😮 I heal everyday from the horrific abuse I suffered at my Grandfather's hands. It wasn't not believed it just wasn't ever talked about. I felt how can't you talk about this? There are 7 years of abuse I've lived through. They believed me but he was never made accountable for doing things that are too awful to write. It's like nothing happened. I'm severely PTSD and there's time I feel insane,and I'm not. It will take a lifetime to get better. I have everything I love,so I have everything I need.

[@meduseld255]

When Jesse said at the beginning of the interview, "She destroyed my reputation," That sealed Jodi's narcissism for me. When narcissists can't control you, they control how other people see you.

[@kandicewells3666]

Jodi is a narssistic sociopath

[@luluah1198]

Aha sounds like my sister :( . I was so stupid I only realised in my thirties what she was

[@sageluciencorvus4713]

@@luluah1198don’t worry love you aren’t stupid for not seeing it sooner, you have a good heart that probably didn’t want to see it sooner. And just because you may not have that sisterly bond with her, you can always find it within others. Sending much love and hugs to you my friend ❤️

[@alisonkutchma1763]

@luluah1198, you were not stupid! We want to believe that our family members genuinely care about us. We want to believe we have those authentic relationships with siblings that one sees in the movies or reads about in a greeting card. It's not your fault that your sibling has huge character flaws. What is important is that you know now and I hope you can create the boundaries you need.

[@rockchica09]

I would add psychopathy too. Narcissists usually don't torture their victims physically like this, but psychopaths do. Narcissism is a part of psychopathy though (all psychopaths are narcissists, but not all narcissists are psychopaths), and destroying someone's reputation is definitely a narcissistic act.

[@laurelwatters3390]

I’m 60 and not been active in Mormon church for years. Your courage has convinced me to move forward with having my records removed from church records.

[@kweenz109]

Good on you!! ❤

[@t1ttytat445]

love this for you

[@Kaymaheu]

What does that mean?

[@johnsonfamilyutah9114]

Amen sister I feel the same!

[@bcoull290]

@@Kaymaheushe is basically saying she officially broke up with the church

[@lokixkrit]

When Jessie said "I don't owe my abusers forgiveness" I felt that deeply. It's one thing if your abusers recognize their actions and take accountability for it, but the ones that just don't understand their entire philosophy of rearing children is *abuse*. Familial connection is not a free pass to abuse.

[@BavarianRage]

FYI I know you’ve already figured out your worth, but coming from a 50-yr-old Christian mom-like woman, I want your to hear-You are an easy person to love. So articulate, intelligent, deep, resilient, authentic, kind, no facade. I’m so sorry your family by birth has largely missed out on the beautiful you

[@daveymcteer6804]

What she said

[@glitterprincess5672]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@jeanetteortaylor4455]

How I would give anything to have been a bystander and to have rescued from you from this horrible abuse. You are enough. You have a beautiful soul. Your beauty shines from within. Hold your head high. Use your pain and give it away by loving those you meet especially those in need. The irony in all of this is that you are far more complete than Jodi Hildebrandt ever was or likely ever will be. Here is a big virtual motherly hug. I am so sorry that you had to live through this and experience so much cruelty. You got this!! You are strong!! No one can ever do this to you again!!!❤

[@pcosmom]

This!!! ❤❤❤

[@shaycade1532]

YES!!!! This ❤

[@jamesandersonwalsh]

Wow. The world is a better place because Jessi was willing to share their story. Jessi deserves the world’s largest microphone. What an articulate, well spoken, vulnerable, open human being.

[@amusedBYfools]

I hope she's called to testify.

[@jamesaston410]

I think the world would be a better place without Mormons or any other religious cults …but that’s just me

[@missvickimae1150]

Amen!

[@katharineshade9550]

What an extraordinary person!

[@mzny4314]

If you can find Adam Steed's encounter with Jodi she has mastered destroying her victims' life. Jessi is amazing and extremely resilient. She also called out her aunt's "mission" in life, to utterly wreck her victims' lives. Ruby and Jodi are both toxic people but Jodi is the key to this mess, may they both rot in hell. So thankful that Jessi is strong and living a full life.

[@Sabrinah2882]

I met Jessi in 2011 after they got away from Jodi. I was going through a divorce and we were both in hair school together. They have always been this lovely, intelligent, resilient and strong. I was amazed then by their talent, beauty and light. They’ve always been extremely empathetic and kind. They were so young get so wide. I hold dear the moments we shared and their incredible kindness. At one of my lowest points they gave me $200 to be able to buy groceries for me and my kids. They were just a kid, they didn’t have much and I remember how incredibly loving and generous that gesture was. Later on they lived with me for awhile. Jessi is the real deal. What you see is what you get with them. I’m overjoyed that they finally get the validation they deserve. Hopefully justice will be served. I love you, Jessi.

[@serinaborbon548]

Who is they

[@Shelsight]

@@serinaborbon548- Jessi prefers they/them pronouns. Their story is what we should all focus on - it’s horrific and shocking… and so well-articulated in this interview.

[@vikki4now]

​@@Shelsightdoes that indicate multiple personality condition? Caused by her trauma?

[@toniakilman9451]

​@@vikki4nowno it has nothing to do with that .

[@theoboegoddess]

I know you’re being respectful of pronouns but that was exhausting to read like that 😭😭

[@ramonagrant2338]

Isn't it ironic that Jessi is helping so many others spiritually and emotionally and Jodi is in jail!!!!!

[@theoboegoddess]

Jessi is so emotionally intelligent. Well spoken. She should be so proud of herself!! 💜💜

[@squee1768]

I really love how you didn’t interrupt them with many questions & just let them speak her story. My heart goes out to all Jodi’s victims

[@amethystdawn9476]

This is the best part.

[@sharks9555]

My heart goes out to all Jodi's victims as well. Jessi prefers to be referred to as they/them, it was brought up more than once as a very significant part of the story. no hate towards you, maybe you didn't catch that part, just sticking up for one of my fellow spiritually abused enbies.

[@gabriellebergeron9382]

*them

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

It seems like the 8 passenger mom was influenced by Jodi Hildebrandt. The woman divorced her husband and started abusing her kids..Not an excuse

[@ellaova]

Yup Jesse's amazing and so articulate and insightful!

[@strawberrycowgal160]

Probably one of the best interviewers I’ve ever seen. He was respectful, allowed them to speak and raised genuine questions whilst reassuring them that they didn’t need to expose anything that they didn’t want to share.

[@richardjones4662]

The prosecutor will have to put her on the stand. I'd love the aunt to get the karma she deserves.

[@yvonne2965]

He is wonderful & so is Jessie

[@elan007]

John is the best!

[@MissSandyC]

I've just discovered this channel. Both the interviewer and interviewee were VERY transparent. Loved the rants - they were TOTALLY justified. At first, I was shocked, then enraged - then cried - I just hope that Jessie realizes now how many supporters she does have. I honor her bravery - it took a LOT for her to come out and bare her soul. Brava GIRL!

[@janerimer6475]

I was sexually abused for 13 years as a child. The very best thing you said was, “You don’t have to forgive them.” And yes. WRITE the book.

[@standback5806]

Occurring to the Our Father prayer you need to.

[@HM-cq2rv]

That’s so true, it’s so weird to expect abuse victims to find forgiveness. If that’s a natural part of someone’s healing process, then great. But forgiving terrible people is God’s job imo, not the responsibility of the victim

[@nicoleloisee]

This. It’s such a breath of fresh air to watch someone else who went through childhood trauma say it! I’m also a CSA survivor and the amount of people who don’t understand that I don’t want to forgive, I don’t have to (especially because the perpetrator died before I got justice or closure) and that actually not forcing myself to forgive is the healthier path for me. I’m really glad that forgiveness brings peace to some victims and survivors but for some of us the opposite is true 💜

[@hannahgp]

@@standback5806they might not believe in “your father” and that’s okay too. Maybe they do and still don’t want to forgive their abusers. I think it’s completely unreasonable to expect people that have endured unthinkable abuse to forgive their abusers. Absolutely not. This comment was uncalled for.

[@kyleeguthrie1787]

I always ALWAYS promote the phrase ‘you DO NOT need to forgive your abusers’ so glad you found this to ring true. Wishing you healing and love ❤

[@karenwahl3769]

I am just a mom and a grandma and all I want to do is to give you a hug and tell you that you are loved…you are so strong, smart, articulate, kind and beautiful…you are and will continue to be such a blessing to so many people that have heard your story and continue to hear as this terrible tragedy unfolds. Thank you so much!!

[@jodyannefitapatrick]

Do it John..can't wait!!

[@ditziangel81]

When Jessi said that the police dept is reopening their case I started to clap and tears came to my eyes. You deserve justice! 💜

[@unknownunknown2576]

Whys everyone saying their? Is it about a few people? Just started watching and reading comments

[@mementomori2809]

@@unknownunknown2576i assume jessi goes by they/them pronouns but im not completely sure abt that, just a possible answer to ur questions OR they could be using “they” when referring to the children as a family

[@mementomori2809]

5:50 he mentions that jessi goes by they/them pronouns!

[@desertsunset8025]

I don't do pronouns , thats my choice and that's my right . Nothing against her , I just won't do the woke crap .

[@Fakephoto]

@@desertsunset8025well you do you no matter how rude and ignorant

[@babymauimama]

Ex Mormon here - I wanted to mention, my friend Heidi, also an Ex Mormon, went to Pacifica University to get her Therapist degree. She actually SPECIALIZES and is writing the literal curriculumn for other therapists on Religious Recovery. You guys could talk for hours. Also, my brother was the Hearing Judge in Ruby’s case today. You are inspirational.

[@shannap.lawnerd125]

I hope that your brother is GREAT at his job. 😉😅💪🏼⚖💯🎯❤‍🩹

[@azzzzzzzzzzz9901]

I hope your brother sends Jodi straight to hell - not just jail

[@kristinwood8884]

​@@Jerry-tk7hnI think many of us are concerned about this. The fact that the whole world is watching, gives me a little hope.

[@gunther13101]

I hope your brother hears Jessi on here…..she’s a victim of Jodi and sheds a lot of light of what her aunt is capable of!!!! Jessi is so articulate and intelligent!!!!! I wish her much continued healing in her life💕

[@gunther13101]

We hear you Jessi…..and our hearts are with you💕💕💕💕

[@reneemitchell4281]

My mom also paraded me around to tell the neighbors that the abuse I had accidentally told them about was a lie and that "I love my mother and she takes care of me". She was more concerned of how she was perceived as a neighbor than she was about being a decent mother.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Omg! I'm sorry

[@debphelan-devon7928]

So sorry that happened to you

[@cheriseroueche8102]

My mother did the same,😊

[@TheFarquie]

My mum did that too, infact they would write on my school reports, which had to be signed by a parent and any comments attached to be handed back to the teacher, that I was a compulsive liar to cover their ass's and that would follow me for years. Know your strength and that you are amazing and do not allow those ghosts follow you through your life...

[@fiofiofioletta1898]

Same. And she wasn’t even Mormon, just a covert narcissist.

[@ThatOddChickenHippie]

The fact that Jessi didn't die during the abuse just shows how strong they were even back then! You deserve the world, hun. WE BELIEVE YOU!

[@missingaardvark]

Jessi says their brother was a certified genius - I think they qualify double. Such bravery, intelligence, and emotional insight not to mention artistic talent. Jessi - you have so many gifts, I'm grateful you are safe and healthy and can share them with the world. Good healing to you from Canada ❤

[@GothDogs]

Wonderfully said. I agree!

[@WorldOfTess2024]

As do I!

[@voguee2]

Agreed

[@Yinyara]

100% agree!

[@acfarm1133]

They are definitely a profoundly gifted person.

[@haley9391]

Jessi, your story was moving. My mom began calling me a sl*t and wh*re beginning at the age of 12, long before I had ever even held a boy’s hand. I couldn’t have a bedroom door, couldn’t wear tampons, couldn’t shave… I was brainwashed into believing that I was bad once I went through puberty. I agree with you about not forgiving your abusers. Forgiveness doesn’t grant any healing for me, it only helps the person who abused me. Thank you for coming forward and showing people like me that we are not alone.

[@virginia9620]

I don't know where all this craziness started. I'm not of any religion, my parents were Lutherans but quit the church. None the less they still had beliefs that came through to us kids. Baby boomer child here. When I read your second sentence it brought back memories of my two older sister in 1970, they had blossomed. And my dad for some crazy reason called my sisters slut (had no idea what the word meant at that time) as they were starting high school. My mom got upset, but he continued is you get pregnant don't bother coming home. That old don't shame the family name thinking. We lived in dump and really had no desire to have anyone know this... so it was very painful for my sisters. But this fear of sex was not openly spoken about by my mother, my mom blames boys for having dirty thoughts, did believe girls that slept around were sluts. So in spite of not going to church we still got tidbits of it through the engrained beliefs of my parents. Sad how religion has been so abused, for power, greed, by those that want to condemn others. THANKS for reading Haley just wanted you to know religious soul beating, has been generational abuse. Imagine living in 1600.

[@xlifexwithxlithiumx]

OMG my dad called me a slut and a whore at 12-13 also it literally fucked my entire way of viewing sexuality and created some deeeeply insane behavior I’ve done

[@CoconutBlueG]

I grew up Mormon and my Mom called me and my Sisters wh0re once we started becoming teenagers. We were really good kids and I don’t know why she did that. But now it seems common among Mormon parents.

[@hedgiemum5778]

@xlifexwithxlithiumx I understand you totally. When I was 18, my abusive bullying stepfather had an affair with a widow of one of his close friends. He got together with her the night of his friend's funeral! Anyway, he kept the affair secret for a few months before telling my mum and then left. My mum was devastated. My sister and I were secretly elated at not having to worry anymore about coming home from work to his wrath and fury! Then, about six months later, he found out that his mistress widow was also seeing several other men, so then decided he wanted to come back home. My mum let him come home for a trial weekend. We were told to be on our best behaviour. Back then, we were only allowed a bath once a week on a Sunday. So Sunday morning arrives, and I politely ask my family if anyone needs to use the bathroom before I take my bath. I had only been in the bath for literally two minutes when he came storming up the stairs, shouting "get out of the bathroom, you f...king whore, you fu..king slut" For the first time in my life, I spoke back at him, saying " how dare you call me that, after what you have put my mum through" Well, with that he literally knocked the locked bathroom door off its hinges and the door fell flat into the bathroom. He grabbed me by my hair whilst I was naked in the bath and started slamming my head against the tiles. It took my mum, my brother, and a neighbour to get him off from me. He liked to use his fist and grab our books! Oh, and my mum took him back. In fact, they have just celebrated their 55th wedding anniversary! I didn't speak to him for a couple of years, and my mum, whom I loved dearly, cut me off because of it. She made me apologise to him a few years later, even though I didn't do anything wrong! I get on well with him now, he's mellowed with age, although none of my grown up children have ever felt comfortable around him, nor my grandchildren, and sadly even now my mum and him dominate me, even though I care for them. I would love to feel free, I really would. I'm sixty now and often wonder if I'll go before them and never experience a few years of peace!

[@Polyphemus47]

I can't 'like' this comment, for what should be obvious reasons, but I very much 'like' your drive to survive the horror. My best wishes for your blossoming despite the dung your youth was fertilized with.@@hedgiemum5778 t

[@laineyluh9534]

Jessi is so articulate and giving us a real insight into how manipulative adults can be to children.

[@judyesau1997]

I think it's also about the negative power of this type of religion. Remember she was duck taped in church and no one said anything. Church guidance can be toxic. We all should be critical thinkers and some religions aren't in sync with questions or thinking outside the box.

[@ellaova]

Let's remember we can seek justice for Jodi's victims without minimising Ruby and Kevin's role in the cruelty and torture of their own kids. Let's not create a narrative aiding in the defense of Ruby/kevin Frank of being a well-meaning parents manipulated and corrupted by an influential LDS figurehead. The Franke parents were demonstrating signs of sociopathy and narcissism long before Jodi entered the scene. It's not anyone's story to tell but Ruby's children how the cruelty originated and progressed.

[@ellaova]

Jesse is AMAZING!!!👌

[@getgaymin]

So glad to see a real Christian actually preaching Jesus's message. I am a Jew and I can see this hypocrisy for what it is: using faith as an excuse to abuse

[@ezrc9294]

ya wonder why she was kicked out of her own home by her own mother and father - nice kid

[@kathleenp9643]

This young woman is absolutely amazing. I am so beyond impressed. She speaks so eloquently about what happened. She has the bravery to come forward and be understated. I rolled my eyes, when Jody claimed Jessie was looking for attention. The only person looking for attention, power and money, was Jodi Hildebrandt! Keep up the great work, Jesse! You are worth it. ❤️❤️

[@DakBabyNewt]

this is a wonderful sentiment, but jessi is nonbinary and uses they/them 💞 much love

[@brittanyhorn236]

Very brave young woman.

[@TheLonelyCamgirl]

​@@DakBabyNewt shut up

[@flufwix]

I have to say that along with Jodi, Jessi’s parents are culpable of neglect: emotional, educational and physical. I’m appalled by what they did and allowed to happen.

[@amykru]

Don't leave the grandparents out of the picture.

[@ivettecuevas4466]

They deserve to be locked up as well. I see that Mormon church is evil

[@Gee-xb7rt]

generational trauma is a thing, with another famous cult coming under scrutiny today for hiding a member's sex crimes I don't know what it will take to rid ourselves of these vile cults.

[@marthalapeyre8908]

Yes. Agreed.

[@merrileejessop3748]

@@elizabethkline2779That’s no excuse. It’s a parents job to know what’s going on with their child. They never checked in with their child. They are absolutely responsible and took a part in what happened to her.

[@endorasmom6460]

Jessie, the monster wasn’t you, it was the person who abused you and the people that allowed it to happen. My heart goes out to you, and I admire you greatly.

[@IWantToRideMyBike]

I’m so glad that this interview came out before the preliminary hearing for ruby and Jody. It says a lot and proves how much they are lying about

[@migbham1]

It certainly is alarming, but it isn't "proof" on its own. It's credible and it's certainly more smoke coming from a blazing inferno, but don't confuse it for proof.

[@julesmum9781]

I don't know anything Abt the preliminary hearing for Ruby and Jodi. I don't doubt that they lied. Can you pls share what they said at that hearing? I'm just horrified by this Jodi person and would like to know more

[@judyrodriguez2930]

Money talks 😢

[@kerrischofield2143]

Message to the interviewer thank you for letting this smart articulate young lady tell her story . Her bravery is astounding.....Jessi you win!!❤

[@MsKama]

I am weeping. I'm not Mormon but a conversion therapy survivor who lived with a cult as a teen from 16-18. I am now a queer sex counselor. Jessi had me WEEPING. You are strong, eloquent and spoke truth to power with a light that is incandescent. Thank you for sharing your venmo. You deserve all the love in the world! Sending you a boatload from Olympia, WA.

[@letahamilton]

Hi neighbor! I’m listening from Seattle. ❤😊❤😊

[@juskittenaround]

@mskama ❤❤❤❤ you are amazing. Washington children and adults are so lucky to have you . I know you are an emotional refuge for so many!

[@MsKama]

@@juskittenaround awww! How kind of you to say! I just try to help people have a better relationship to their own bodies, that pleasure, partnered or not, is normal and not shameful. Its amazing what a little permission and support will do! Thank you for your kind words!

[@MsKama]

@@letahamilton hey hey! 😊

[@yeesh9215]

Jessi, you need to write a book of survival. I'm blown away by your intelligence.

[@Caketime2]

Every fiber of my being hopes that your mom watches this, comes to you and says I'm sorry. You deserve it more than anything! Powerful interview and I am so sorry

[@vickimcneil4154]

Narcissists don’t. She will be free by not handing her power to her abuser.

[@AudreyHannah-n9n]

Mothers don’t do these things to there children, it’s all wrong, most mothers would never inflict any pain of any kind

[@AudreyHannah-n9n]

Why is it tha there appears to be the most abuse in so called religious sects or main stream for that matter, all hide behind respectability 😢

[@LisaCapron]

@@AudreyHannah-n9nonce you turn over your thinking to someone else you are at a high risk of predators.

[@goodheart422]

her parents contribute to this. and they should be held accountable too!

[@Meganmama]

This really is the most important interview MS has ever done. Jessi, your ability to tell your story with so much thought and wisdom is incredible. I’ve been a licensed therapist for over 12 years and I am just in awe of the hard work you’ve done to heal from the abuse you endured.

[@shannap.lawnerd125]

🎯💯❤‍🩹💪🏼🌹

[@MadeOfQuestions]

I hope Jessie gets to testify at Jodies trial! At least at the sentencing hearing

[@littledove1173]

@@MadeOfQuestionsAmen to that! 🙏🏼

[@janetshemaryahu5529]

Jessie and Mormon Stories should send this video testimony to the Prosecutors in the Hildebrand case. Adam Paul Steed’s video as well. Very important!

[@jaydock1]

I love hearing this. Jessi is clearly so strong and like you said, has done so much work to move on and heal from this. I can’t imagine how hard it was to go through

[@TheNinnyfee]

"My mother was a orderly housewife, I had undiahgnosed ADHD..." I just shouted over here, you were basically telling my story. Big hugs!!!❤❤❤ You are wonderful just as you are, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. ❤

[@MariannaMujica]

Me too!

[@ridleycobain2468]

This interview was absolutely profound. They have a beautiful, genuine soul. You can just feel it. Such an inspirational being, truly ❤

[@MountainPearls]

Absolutley. She needs to write a book (half her experience/ half about overcoming it later- and why people who have been abused don’t need to forgive, cutting people out, etc).

[@azblondi2730]

I am still speechless

[@MS-kn4tt]

@@MountainPearls the pronouns Jessi uses are they/them.

[@Thia-o8t]

Was that not what she used?

[@chickletinseattle]

This person is talking about MountainPearls using the pronoun "she."@@Thia-o8t

[@rhondadearborn3265]

One of your best and most important interviews yet, John. Jessi - your voice is HEARD! We BELIEVE YOU!!! Keep talking. There are safe spaces in this community. Many supporters. You can help make change. Other ex cult members have said writing a book sharing their stories helped end the nightmares and be a catalyst for catharsis

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

I agree ! I subscribed

[@eileenprice3593]

Jessie, I am 40 years old. You have inspired me to follow up with the abuse perpetrated on me by a sexual predator and the abuse I experienced by a teacher. Both of these were properly reported to a principal, my parents, and the police, both of these were ignored and brushed under the rug. I suspect when I reach out about both the police and my old school, I will have people minimize them and people will wonder why I am doing this now. I am doing this to help and prevent other victims of abuse from being ignored. Minors are easy to overlook, and their credibility is often not enough. I appreciate you. I understand the draw of being a silent victim, but it will rot you out from the inside. It will rot the relationships around you. It allows abuse to be taboo and encourages abuse to repeat.

[@errrkt]

Much luck on your journey for justice

[@TeriHuebert-tq7kf]

I’m so glad you’re speaking out!! I wish I could give you a big hug and support you somehow. My attacker is dead, so I can’t speak out. I feel for you though. I will pray for you and I’m sending you a big hug!

[@loudMouse11]

❤

[@dawne2780]

52:38 “Having a MySpace. Drinking a coffee. MURDER.” The Mormon experience 😂 This interview was so relatable. Really grateful they took the time and were so vulnerable.

[@rachelmendez5789]

As an aunt I CANNOT imagine showing anything but love and joy when being with my nieces. Jessi, I am so sorry you didn't get the auntie you deserved. ❤️‍🩹

[@Katieann143]

I wish I had an aunt like you

[@rachelmendez5789]

@@Katieann143 😭! I hope you are able to get some women in your life who fill that void and also to become an aunty yourself. ❤️‍🩹 I'm a mom now, but was an aunt for a decade before I had my own children. Sometimes I meet childless post-menopausal women who will tell me, "Oh, I'm just an aunty" and I tell them that the love I have as an aunt is the same love I have as a mother. The strength of love isn't different, only the level of responsibility. My nieces are as precious to me as my own kids and I would move any mountain that is in my power to move in order to give them the best, healthiest, happiest life. I hope you know the joy of that someday - either with an older woman who loves and mentors you or with nieces and nephews of your own. 💞

[@PeaceTrainJump]

Everyone needs to watch this. Jessie is so well-spoken and has a powerful story. I appreciate that the interviewer held back and let Jessie talk.

[@fyrekat38]

Very well spoken, and chill.

[@GaiaCarney]

I agree! Especially the part about being bullied by a ‘best friend’ Sometimes our first bullies are *VERY* close to us - a teacher, a parent, a sibling, a friend . . .

[@lizg833]

Same here, I loved how they let her speak and not cut her off. John is so respectful

[@missmissy_90]

​@@lizg833 First time listener. First time on this creators channel. Agree with you, I plan on watching this at least one more time probably twice. Anyway- yeah total respect for letting her tell her story at such an appropriate time. Well done to original post as well.

[@donnakreye8339]

Yes100 percent. This is TRUTH

[@meghanworkman6449]

As a mother, I just can't wrap my brain around treating my children this way, or allowing someone else to treat them the way Jodi and Ruby did. If anybody tried, I would tear them apart with my bare hands. Jessi is such an amazing, strong, intelligent, courageous person. Kudos to them for speaking out and being a voice for victims of abuse. Abuse thrives in secrecy and darkness; the only way it gets better is for people to shine a spotlight on it. Wishing Jessi well in all their future endeavors!

[@Itried20takennames]

And the kids got let down and left unprotected not only by the mom, but also the dad. I’m not in the “dad knew everything” camp, but even from the few things I had heard of Ruby even before the arrest…I would never leave my kids with her, or at a minimum, check in with them on a regular and private basis to see how they are being treated. Dad surely knew more about her than I did….and just kind of left the kids trapped with and dependent on her.

[@meghanworkman6449]

@@Itried20takennames exactly. Your #1 duty as a parent is to keep your children safe, even if that means keeping them safe from their other parent. I just can't fathom willingly having no contact with my children for over a year and convincing myself that'll actually be good for them. SMH

[@HayDances]

I could see Jessi's CPTSD surfacing the second they started describing Jodi's office in which they'd been locked. Survivor to survivor (I also have CPTSD), I'm in awe of this beautiful human being. John, thanks for giving them so much space to speak freely and eloquently about their tragic story.

[@Airfriedfroglegg]

As a parent of a profoundly gifted child. She is one. They’re not the “inside the box” people. They’re the squeaky wheels like Jessi. Emotions, questions, curiosity, art, precociousness, etc.

[@Airfriedfroglegg]

They. I’m sorry. I wrote this comment before Jessi explained their gender identity l

[@yogadork_namaste]

​@kristenmuir80 thank you for correcting! I also go by they/them but I understand slipups occur and I just appreciate people trying to learn and respect. 🙏

[@71suns]

​@@AirfriedfrogleggWhat?

[@whims6278]

​@@yogadork_namastethis whole thread of comments makes my heart so happy. And to think, on a mormon channel!

[@dc1mc2mc3]

She is obviously highly or even profoundly gifted! Sue the church as well as Jodi!

[@jamiefryer267]

Jessi’s story is so important, especially now that Ruby and Jodi are accusing one of the kids of molestation towards a bunch of other kids. We know now that Jodi falsely accuses people until they confess and then punishes them for it. It’s so disgusting and she will ruin more lives with her lies. Thank you for sharing your story, Jessi. You deserve justice.

[@Violet_Willows]

Yes!! This is what I was thinking! What if Jodi manipulated this out of the child and made it to be something that it wasn't! Ugh the whole situation is horrible

[@TazDevil7009]

"I would rather of been in jail than with Jodi" That poor little boy ran to the neighbor and asked them to call police. When the neigbor asked him if there were other kids in danger at the house ghe said the others were okay and that what had happened to him was his fault...what if that poor boy wanted police because he thought he would be arrested and got to the point he preferred that over being with Jodi 😢😢😢

[@jamiefryer267]

You’re probably right bc I’m sure Jodi and Ruby told him he would go to jail for the things he admitted to (falsely). Utterly heart breaking. A child would be susceptible to a false confession under the horrific strain of Jodi’s abuse. I was so angry when I read what Ruby said in the custody hearing but so happy when they were denied bail later.

[@Ashes_Rose8]

I was so very glad to have seen this podcast before the news of those accusations came out. So ugly and it's her complete MO. Jodi is a horrible person.

[@jaydock1]

@@TazDevil7009in ruby’s released diary she wrote that R (the son who escaped) said exactly that. He wanted to go to jail because he was so evil and wrong. When Jessie said something similar I was shook. Horrible abuse and manipulation to make someone feel that way. Multiple people

[@wemadeyouasweaterlee]

I am an active member of the church, but I needed Jessi's story. I can't put into words how freaking proud I am of them. They are so incredibly eloquent when speaking about such hard and painful things. I have been hurt by the church system and some of my leaders, I recently had to stop talking to my mom and grandmother. I've had a really hard year and have been trying to find peace, and Jessi's story and just words for survivors of abuse helped me to find some peace. I'm not crazy, the emotional abuse etc. Is REAL that I went through. Jessi, I don't know if you will ever see this, but thank you for being brave and standing up. You will never know how many people you will reach through this sacrifice of putting your story out there. And to John, thank you for using your platform to encourage and uplift survivors of abuse. I'm very impressed by this.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

She will! Thank you for your comment too and I'm nor mormon!

[@wemadeyouasweaterlee]

@@notbornagainbornright5046 no problem! Thanks for reading it :)

[@terireed3740]

@ wemadeyouasweaterlee... Whew, long name.. lol. I don't know you but I wanted to tell you that the concise way that you got your story across without detail but recognizable at the same time got to me. I just want to wish you the best life has to offer for the next part of your journey. My wish for you is to find peace and contentment and to thoroughly enjoy the rest of your journey. ✌️&❤️

[@wemadeyouasweaterlee]

@@terireed3740 I can't tell you how much your sweet comment means to me, thank you so much. I wish you the best ♥

[@debbiemartin2026]

Do you believe you will be the god of your own planet one day? And that Satan and Jesus were brothers? Do you deny the diety of God. Mormonism is not the truth. Joseph’s Smith was a false prophet. And changed the word of God. You need to repent of this false Prophets teaching. They do not align with the God of the Bible.

[@KellieBell]

Please write a book! This is by far the most profound and insightful interview I've seen regarding high demand religion/cults, cult leaders, and all forms of abuse. Doesn't even have to be a book about this exactly, I get not wanting to relive the trauma. So write about anything! I'd want to read your thoughts about anything. You're beautiful and articulate, and that's what would make your book worth reading. Like, you're interesting and worthwhile, even without having been involved in this sensational story that everyone is curious about. Honestly, I'm a nomo, barely raised Christian, athiest, but with semi conservative values. I'd be interested in reading about your ethical values and your secular basis for them. Don't sell yourself short, at 30 you seem to have figured it out pretty solidly.

[@krislarabee7902]

As a post mormon, I had such a closed view of queer people. Being gay was wrong, it was a choice, it was an abomination! I am so thankful to Mormon Stories for helping me to see the truth about queer people. It sickens me to think of the bigot that I was! Jessie is a beautiful, warm person! I felt a love and appreciation for her as I listened to her story! The old me probably wouldn't have even listened to her. Thank you so much, Mormon Stories for educating me, and helping me to be a more loving and accepting person!

[@777LadyVenus]

Be proud of yourself; that you awakened to unconditional love ❤

[@CityBohoGirl]

Powerful testimony and bravery to admit that publicly. I’m proud of you if no one’s told you that lately.

[@tinygold772]

Thank you for being willing to reflect on your prior thoughts (which every human needs to do to grow including me) it will make a difference to others ❤

[@volkoren9897]

Such a beautiful comment and so good that you are learning about queer people. In the interview, Jessi stated that they do not see themself as a women and would like to be referred to by they/them instead of she/her. Although the concept of not being either a women or a men might still be very new and conceptually strange, trying to use the right pronouns for people helps them feel accepted and understood. It is a small change that really helps people. You can see it as when someone is officially called Beatrice, but go by Bea. It is just respectful to not call them Beatrice, but Bea.

[@TheLonelyCamgirl]

​@@volkoren9897wow, it really sucks that she doesn't see herself as a woman but that's what she is 🤷

[@DarkFire1536]

When Jessi got emotional at the end with the Venmo donations, I just broke down crying. What an incredible individual they are. Thank you John and Jessi. ❤

[@elan007]

I first broke down when John said he was sorry to her for all the abuse she'd experienced. He is a gem. ❤

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

John you really made difference

[@bookslikewhoa]

I truly think this is one of the most important MSP episodes of all time, not just because of Jessi’s experience re:Jodi, but because they did an amazing job drawing the lines from their abuse to Mormonism as a natural end of taking those beliefs literally. I stand in awe of the work they have done to still be here today and to share in their story with such insight & humanity.

[@sannyo6]

She is the best. She’s the first person “related” to these crimes who has spoken up for the children and opened, I hope, the LE community up there. TY Jessi💚

[@pixiepancake4970]

I cannot believe the torture that Jessi had to endure. I can’t imagine being betrayed and abandoned by your own family AND having a church and supposedly religious people enable these horrors. The police failure is obscene. I feel physically sick. Jessi is amazing.

[@elan007]

It's a form of SRA - satanic ritual abuse.

[@haven311]

I notice there hasn't been a lot of commentary on Jessi's parents. They weren't doing anything wrong, just being a teenager?, but somehow they went to dinner at their aunt's house and it ended with being abandoned there by their parents. Mom and Dad didn't speak to Jessi for months at a time, they didn't seem to notice their kid was terrified and miserable, they were easily appeased when told their child was sleeping outside in the snow. I know it's not the main point of the story but I need people to acknowledge how incredibly fucked-up their parents also were. I hope Jessi has found family more worthy of them than these selfish, twisted monsters.

[@michelerigley9286]

I'm 71 with no tattoos. This makes me want to get one from Jessi. Incredible interview. Thank you so much for sharing your story.

[@bluemoonofky8468]

​@haven311 That hit me hard too! HOW does ANYONE just walk off and leave their child and NOT check on them but how does one leave them behind in the 1st place! That's messed up! I'm very glad they're away BUT not happy at all about their circumstances! They have done well for themselves but I see the hurt, I think we all can. They need their parents love, TRUE LOVE.. NOT THAT FAKE CRAP, because of all of the news that's come out. This is really breaking my heart if I think to much about it. I just couldn't imagine either of my children, heck, ANYONES child, being treated like this child was. I hope they get justice and some inner peace that they truly deserve!!

[@Katrn30]

Much abuse is done in the name of religion…I’m sure God is not pleased.

[@WandaOfWestview]

Possibly the most profound and moving story I’ve heard on Mormon Stories. Jessi, thank you for your vulnerability and for sharing. You should be beyond proud of the very difficult work you’ve put into healing and moving forward. You deserve only the best that life has to offer and I hope you know how brave and amazing you are. I see you, I hear you, and I believe you.

[@SilentThundersnow]

I agree. This is the best Mormon Stories I've ever seen. What an amazing, adorable, intelligent, well spoken person Jessi is.

[@Marellenmac1964]

This is one of the most powerful episodes I've ever watched. To have someone share such a heartbreaking personal account and to see the reaction of the listening audience and her immediate reaction of gratitude...this is beautiful. And she truly deserves the love.

[@grapesodeypop]

Jessi uses they/them pronouns!

[@krisi5633]

Agreed! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 Jessi is so amazing and insightful. Freaking smart and able to put into word so many things I’ve felt!

[@shable1436]

​@@grapesodeypopwhat do you mean, they them

[@kellevichy]

@@shable1436 THEY are non-binary, THEY said in this episode ( if you paid attention ) that they are and exclusively uses those pronouns.

[@Dells16]

Something I've learned recently is that the most kind and genuine people you meet have often been abused by religious people. It has made them the opposite of those monsters. Jessi is such a beautiful soul, I'm so sorry you had to go through so much 🖤

[@brooke-elmore]

“I’m not going to allow people into my life do not validate and see the harm they’ve caused. I’m not going to make myself small so that you don’t have to deal with the consequences of your actions” wow. As someone who is NC with my mother, this is powerful and inspiring to hear. I hope Jessi continues to heal, and grow from her trauma, she is a true inspiration.

[@Lilijoylove]

NC?

[@mostlyvoid.partiallystars]

@@missvegasablecorrect

[@Sarahwithanh444]

I loved when she said this too - as someone else who is No Contact with my birth parents.

[@Femmebutstillathem]

I like your comment but please don’t misgender them

[@glenysbeesley6333]

Hi hi

[@sandrapfauenglund8729]

Absolutely the bravest interview I’ve ever seen. This interview will help so many people. May you be blessed greatly for what you are doing.

[@JennieC21]

I’m not Mormon, I came here from the news of Jodi and the headlines surrounding her. I’ve seen snippets of Jessi on other channels covering this story, so I came to listen… WOW! I’ve been listening whilst getting ready for and en route to work this morning. It’s 2 weeks after you first posted it, and I watch from Australia. I have felt every emotion there is watching and hearing this amazing Humans story! It’s been triggering because of the abuse I endured as a child. It was triggering listening to Jessi describe their relationship with their Father, and the similarities of the type of father he was/is are mind blowing! Jessie’s mother sounds like mine, their Brother and his reaction to what happened sounds like my sister… This interview has had me feeling raw emotion as my memories and feelings stirred up. Then to witness the beauty that literally oozed from Jessie’s soul made me cry 😢 What a truly beautiful Human 🤍🤍🤍

[@sandrablevins6539]

Totally agree! Best of everything to you. ❤😊

[@mst3kharris]

Jessi, I’m so proud of you for surviving. John mentioned resilience and I noticed you were quick to point out that you weren’t okay afterwards, that you’d done a lot of work to get where you are. I don’t want to dismiss all the hard work you’ve done or the work you’ve yet to do. But I also don’t want to dismiss how remarkable it is that there was a you left to work on. She tried so hard to destroy you, and she utterly failed. You’re here, creating art for yourself and others, and now you’re helping to expose the evil inside her. I wish the brightest of futures for you: you deserve it.

[@emmap.7314]

^^^^ Yes! All of this!

[@pcosmom]

Amen!!!! ❤

[@shannap.lawnerd125]

🎯💯❤‍🩹💪🏼🌹 #WeDOHeal #ISeeYouSurvivor

[@karinklaustermeier4009]

I agree!

[@GaliSinatra]

A really powerful interview. Jessi, you're amazing and I hope you get to tell your story in court.

[@desert_moon]

Hopefully sharing it here won't make it get thrown out as inadmissible.

[@GaliSinatra]

@@radybay9088 Very sorry to hear that.

[@niania7022]

The real elephant in the room is the mormon church. This sounds no different from LV, CD and their group and they start out in the church. This has been going on for years and years.

[@niania7022]

It’s no different than it’s ever been.

[@llamamama2910]

Why would it? Truth is truth and doesn’t change if you tell it to multiple audiences

[@heatherbee4331]

So proud of you for speaking out! And so glad they are re-opening your case, Jessi. Wishing you well!

[@DuchesneyMoitt-ud8qj]

Jessis parents didn't "drop her off" they LEFT Jessi. I think that's an important distinction. Thank you for having and posting this conversation 🙏🏼

[@eloh9821]

This poor soul has been through so much trauma, my heart is broken. I cannot even imagine being abused, running away and getting to the police, and they don’t believe you and return you to your abuser. I am so sorry Jessi.

[@michaelc5679]

This interview is incredible. I am an old rigid guy who is hardly moved by anything and this deeply impacted me. They are a strong and beautiful person that this world needs desperately. I never comment on videos and I don't even know any mormons. Thank you so much Jessi for being who you are and thank you for sharing.

[@ruththecatlady]

Agree. I listen to youtube at work and I found myself crying a little. I'm much older than Jessi but I can learn from the grace they have. Amazing.

[@CityBohoGirl]

Wow. Your comment touched me. Declaring publicly you’re rigid.. yet not only listened but we’re thoughtful enough to refer to them as they/them. I mess it up too but I am always trying bc respect is utmost but it’s “new”. You’re pretty cool. (;

[@ozmonto]

What a precious, articulate soul Jessi is. It was so tragic to hear their story and trauma, but equally beautiful to see their inner light shine so brightly and that they were finally heard❤

[@OhJustCommenting]

chills. thank you jessi for coming out with this story. the interviewer was perfect as well.

[@Shooshie130]

So impressed by Jessi’s insight, resilience, and eloquence. As a clinical psychologist, I am infuriated to learn about her aunt and the damage she has perpetrated in the guise of a psychotherapy. As a mom and grandma with young LGBTQ/ADHD/gifted family members, I hope her family realizes their loss. As a human, I want to give her a hug!

[@missmissy_90]

Me too. You said that so well.

[@kellevichy]

Them... not her.. please respect who they are.

[@missmissy_90]

Please forgive me. No excuses but I'm older and forget. In all my comments I wrote she and her myself yet my respect for THEM (No snark) is real and this interview will be watched multiple times so I retain it. Crying a lot but so inspired that they came out as this exact time. Hopefully more will do the same. There must be more.

[@joanneriley3899]

@@missmissy_90I don’t think you need forgiving, we have spent a lifetime saying him/her. I think this is on par (figuratively speaking) with learning to walk again. Those that choose to be identified as anything different to him/her must realise that this isn’t something that is going to be easy.

[@missmissy_90]

@@joanneriley3899 You just touched my heart. Thank you so much. It really is hard. No one has called me out yet but when it happens to others I leave replies saying that I did the same thing. It's almost a foreign language to me at 60 years old. That said, common sense should have told me that this was important yet not one time did I use it correctly. Thank you for the support Joanne. Love to you and yours.

[@ohiwish17]

Abusers lose their right to privacy. PERIOD. Wow this blew my mind. Thank you for platforming this conversation and letting victims tell their stories on their own terms.

[@AfterTheRains]

I am horrified to think of how many families allowed Jodi to harm their children Jessi, I would be so proud to have a daughter like you to call me Mum every day.

[@lisaa3978]

Omg, I don’t know why that hadn’t occurred to me that she did this to many children. 😢 Of course she must have. I pray they come forward and sue. And I pray that Ruby’s other children come forward and sue her (and Kevin) someday.

[@supme7558]

Try the church its much worse

[@susansteinhardt8503]

Best interview. Jessi is sooo beautifully articulate. John, I thank Ruby & Jodi for bringing you to me. You run your channel so beautifully with integrity. I will contribute to Jessi

[@catwilliamson3887]

Jessi, you are not evil. You are not a manipulator. You are worthy of love, understanding and a voice. Your family abandoned you. Your aunt abused you horrendously. Your church let you down. You are a strong woman. Your story has made me cry for you and Jodi's other victims. I pray that you can see some justice. It should have come to you when you were 15. Jodi is the evil one.

[@elan007]

❤❤❤

[@JimSwens]

I was a client of Jodi. And like many, had a terrible experience and it took years to recover from the mental games and shame. I was able to get out of that situation and for a long time I felt like I was crazy. I feel so validated to hear that Jodi’s reign of abuse will come to an end. I hope she gets locked up for a long time. Knowing Jodi, Ruby was not a business partner, but rather a disciple of Jodi. Poor kids. Tell tale sign being the fact that Rubys husband was kicked out of the house. So sad.

[@emyyyxx]

sorry you dealt with that. ❤

[@kerrylewisRN]

But the mother had these weird thoughts BEFORE Jodi

[@u-neekusername4430]

@@kerrylewisRN I can't imagine that anyone following this (& knows about 8 passengers) is thinking Ruby was all fine until Jodi. It's clear she was on the same path as Jodi, but she's definitely under Jodi's control now, because Jodi doesn't have "equals". We all know she was starving & emotionally torturing her children well before because she proudly filmed it.

[@Thelovingnestboston]

I don’t think she did. I saw a video in which Ruby was justifying their parenting because they were consulting with mental health specialists. Leaves me to believe she was seeking Jodi privately before they became business associates

[@shannap.lawnerd125]

Hugs & healing from NC, I truly hope you have found ACTUAL help in valid, secular therapy. Be blessed. ❤‍🩹💪🏼⚖🌹

[@Bananachan289]

As a child of abuse I’m 35 and I totally understand that feeling of being “bad” and everything being my fault. I still struggle with this immensely

[@daashazireael6613]

I'm 32 and I still struggle with this daily. I've had almost 7 years of therapy too and it's just now seeming to get better. We have to re learn everything. People get to leave home and start their lives and have that support and knowledge and someone to help but we don't get that and if you're like me I had no idea how to be an adult or take care of my home or even hold a job because of my mental problems and ptsd

[@redqueen7325]

It takes years to get over the trauma. I can only hope that anyone who has been a victim will find some peace. ❤

[@Wanderingnomad2829]

You guys are doing good work - congratulations be proud of yourself every step😊

[@bamx123]

If you’re open to therapy, make sure to ask your therapist if they’re trauma-informed and specialize in trauma specifically. It can make such a huge difference. ❤

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

Me too 💯

[@PavanaBose]

Cannot telll you how much this has brought me help and hope and amazement. Jessi, you are SO amazing. Your understanding is beyond me, and I've been working on this for 50 years! Thank you SO much for coming forward and being so brave.

[@kupidsrus1]

Jessi, I am a 66 year old Christian, wife, Mother and Grandmother and can I tell you that I am in awe of your courage, strength and resilience!! You are just precious and I have fallen in love with you, just as so many who have watched this interview have!! I wish you a life full of love and peace!!

[@SlayByJay]

My parents left the church when I was 16 years old and that was the best gift they ever did for our family. Being an outsider and seeing what we all go thru in the church is absolutely insane and I hope more members can find their way out.

[@bernice4599]

👏🏼

[@scraidywolf7081]

Why did they leave?

[@MNN-v3d]

@@scraidywolf7081 probably because they are locos, most women act like franky all they want to be wealthy.

[@kathleenardrey5094]

Wow. How did your parents see the light and screw up the courage to leave? Pretty brave. Congrats.

[@learning2live_brokeninchro157]

This is the first time I’ve ever watched your channel. I am so impressed with your interview style. I am so impressed with Jessi, they are a phenomenal person! This is powerful, heartbreaking, eye opening, and inspiring. Jessi’s story is important, more people need to hear it. I hope they do write a book.

[@kacycatartist]

Nice comment! MS has many great interviews. Another phenomenal one to listen to her watch is: Hidden True Crime with forensic psychologist, John Matthias, and his wife, Lauren .

[@laurad324]

He does an amazing job.

[@missmissy_90]

Same. First time on this channel though I might have seen this man on Andrew Gold.

[@creampuffwar4457]

They? Really now?

[@fairlyvague82]

The host said right at the beginning that Jessi’s preferred pronouns are they/their.

[@roropillow]

such an incredible interview. I feel so inspired by Jessi’s bravery. I have complex ptsd from childhood trauma and this is one of the most validating interviews i have ever seen.

[@lizg833]

I’m an ex evangelical survivor and this podcast, this channel, has been so helpful in my deconstructing. Specifically this episode. I will be thinking about this for a long time to come. Thank you to all involved especially Jessi for their strength and bravery in speaking about all the abuse they faced. I’m so grateful that their is a platform like this that actually gives victims a platform and let’s them speak. This has truly been so impactful for my own healing in a way I didn’t know it could be. I know we’re not from the same faiths but everything that they spoke about is very similar to my experience in the baptist church.

[@carenblomgren6486]

Me too❤❤❤

[@lizg833]

@@carenblomgren6486 sending you good vibes and love ✨ we are so strong

[@deadlyqueens]

I hope you all have a beautiful safe, love filled future. Your strength is so inspiring. ✌🏽♥️

[@pcosmom]

I feel the same way. Jessi, you are a beautiful person, inside and out. ❤

[@Sassysongstress]

My best friend of the past year is a gay man who ditched the Mormon Church a year ago. His whole life he was made to believe that he was EVIL AND WRONG for being born as he IS and I'm so DISGUSTED BY THIS " RELIGION " it makes me ILL. THANK GOD you and Jessie SURVIVED your terrible childhoods. You are BOTH STRONG AND I am SO HAPPY that you are STILL HERE! Please know that YOU ARE BELIEVED...❤😉

[@jnl3564]

My abusive parents were also completely focused on “my need to forgive” and how “the forgiveness wasn’t for them it was for me” because they were convinced that my lack of forgiveness was destroying the family. I even yelled at them “why are you talking about my forgiveness when you should be concerned about your REPENTANCE!?!?” I am no contact with them all now. Thank you so much for talking about that. I’ve never heard anyone else mention that aspect of contempt for victims humanity, hurt, and need for time to heal.

[@greendragon4058]

My dad was very abusive , my mom took so much of the blame and everything else for us . Ever since I was little I always thought that my mom could have done better with a different man but then she passed and my dad just went ballistic on it everything I am in the same boat, my father asked keep him informed about my upcoming surgery. I texted him with the date of my surgery he texted me two days later to say that he would call me in the morning that call never came so I know what his priorities are I was really close to my mother but she passed and my dad found this woman I don't like at all she keeps all our conversations I have spent no time with my father and when he did he yelled at me, I turned around and I said, yes I'm your daughter but I'm 62 years old I don't think I deserve be yelled at went into the room I was staying in packed my s*** and left he said he would take me to the airport and I said you know what I will take a cab

[@marykayesugerman6843]

The betrayal of your family is beyond cruel. They sound toxic and you are better off without them.

[@OliveSomething]

My mom was the same type of parent, and I never thought I’d get justice. But this case on its own has given me so much clarity on my situation. I wish my mother would go to jail too, but knowing that Jodi and Ruby are, makes me feel how much closer to justice I am. So thank you Jessi.

[@OliveSomething]

She said Gilroy and my heart dropped, I was stuck out in Dos Palos just near there…. Oh my god….

[@emryldzt2762]

Jessi, you have amazing oratorial skills. Your choice of words, descriptions and expressions are very specific and all in all well said. I believe you can, actually, get past those experiences. There may be scars, but they get smaller as the years go by. Always find the support you need, whether it's therapy, religion, self-help books and loving people. You are a treasure and could be a motivational speaker possibly in schools so kids can tell the difference between nice and not nice, to put it bluntly. Kids need to know when to say no as you did when you finally did your last run.

[@elizabethdodd2509]

I feel stunned. Jessi, you have some extraordinary gifts, a fine intellect and true grit. I had the most loving and faithful parents. It’s hard to grasp how deprived you were with yours. They had a beautiful and talented daughter and did zip to nourish you. You have touched my heart and although no psychic, I foresee wonders in your fur

[@elizabethdodd2509]

3:17:21 future. 3:17:21

[@katrinat.3032]

I agree

[@nobody8328]

I managed not to cry while they were talking about the abuse, but that last bit broke me. Their overwhelm at finally being believed and validated and supported... I just want to hug them and bake them cookies. No one should ever feel that alone

[@kailaclark3937]

As a survivor of severe childhood trauma and abuse Jessi you are so inspiring and give me so much hope for my future. I am currently 22 still trying to heal and often feeling hopeless but seeing you and how powerful and strong you are in your 30s. I hope when I get into my 30s I can be as strong as you are now. Thank you so much for sharing your story, opening my eyes, and giving me hope again.

[@joyabia682]

You will be well. I too suffered from severe childhood abuse and didn't even know till my late 30s that what my family did was abuse. Ive healed through listening to teachers who teach self love and acceptance. My healing journey started with listening to Louis Hays.

[@michellecd4722]

Yes! Louise Hay & Michael Bernard Beckwith's teachings are very helpful for sure! @@joyabia682

[@lynnbowenrealestate]

You got this. I am so sorry for what you endured. And yes Jessie and her words will help many. I am so glad you were able to watch this.

[@Boxels]

What a beautifully eloquent person! Thank you for gracing us all with this.

[@AmandaMuse]

Jessi, I am so sorry this happened to you. As a mother - I cannot imagine pushing my child away, especially into the hands of an abuser. You didn't deserve this.

[@ExpandingHeart]

Jessi, I’m so sorry you were so horribly mistreated. Jodi is clearly a psychopath or sadist or both, and the fact that she’s a licensed mental health provider is terrifying. I wish you deep love, understanding and healing.

[@71suns]

I think she was promoting herself as a 'life coach'

[@brookelyn1349]

@@71suns Both Jodi and Ruby were promoting themselves as “life coaches”. It makes sense though because there is little to no government oversight and little to no laws that govern being a life coach. Life coaching isn’t something insurance pays for so life coaches aren’t held to the same standard as a licensed medical professional. There is no board of licensing to hold life coaches accountable and they are not bound by HIPPA laws. Listening to Jessi’s story made it painstakingly obvious just how much Jodi was projecting everything that was wrong with Jodi onto Jessi. That leads me to believe that if the Franke kids ever decide to tell their stories, that their stories are going to be eerily similar to Jessi’s.

[@dudemorris7769]

@@brookelyn1349sadly her parents didn’t stand up for her, this isn’t the norm in Mormon families and communities. You find isolated pockets of it, as you we see in every community. It’s amazing to me the mother didnt believe her daughter as the relationship between mother & daughter in Mormon families is usually much closer than you would see in outside communities. Jesse may have been somewhat of what’s considered a “problem child - non compliant”, I’m not sure, but the dynamics between mother and child is strong and pure.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

​@@dudemorris7769"Strong and pure" is not how I would describe it.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

​@@dudemorris7769All you care about is defending the church. Why are you here?

[@mikasrail7888]

When Jessi discussed their mom showing up to have senior pictures made after she denied her child's access to education was absolutely mind-blowing to me.

[@calussier1]

I think that’s what shoked me the most. This request from the mother meant: I don’t care what you’re going through. I need to look good in front of the neighbors. Simply disgusting! 🤢🤢🤢

[@irradiated_woman8016]

@@calussier1 yup, it's shocking on its face, but in the culture we're talking about it makes perfect sense. These groups place extremely high value on appearances. A podcaster recently refered to it as "the Mormon glaze" and I found it kind of brilliant... All these shiny, happy photos. Bright white temple in the background of a bright white family. All blonde hair and big white teeth. If mom gets the nice glazed "senior" portraits to send out to the family and church, if everything LOOKS okay, if the community thinks you have the perfect family, then everything IS okay.

[@Annie_Annie__]

It reminded me of my mother. Everything was always about keeping up appearances. When I was 14 my dad decided to go for custody of me, but at the suggestion of his lawyer we had to be a little sneaky and when I went to stay with him for a couple weeks in the summer, they had her served with the papers. I was dreading the first phone call after she got served because I was sure that the first thing she would say is “why?” Or “don’t you love me anymore?” Because I did love her and I didn’t know how to put in to words that the way she treats me makes me want to unalive myself. (I hadn’t yet accepted that she was abusive) Anyway, the moment comes and the first thing she says is “How could you do this to me, Annie?! How am I going to explain to the neighbors that my _daughter_ wants to live with her _father_ ?! They’re going to think something’s wrong with me! Like I’m a bad mom or something!” I was so furious that I hung up on her. It was the first time I realized that my mother probably didn’t love me the same way I loved her. That her primary concern in all things was appearances.

[@ashleetrieu8320]

Growing up Mormon-in Utah- this doesn’t really surprise me at all 🥴🥴🥴

[@ericodell9069]

Annie, does your mom have borderline personality disorder or covert narcissism?

[@jencottrell4892]

Jessi …. You are such an amazing example of a leader and strength. I grew up with Jodi as a teen because she was in my ward. I was in disbelief and shock as I watched the news unfold. I left the church after the age of 18 when I was allowed. I am so inspired by your strength and tenacity to do this podcast! You’re absolutely what so many people need. I wish you all the love and happiness that this world could ever give you!❤

[@Travelling_with_my_dog]

Jessi is so articulate and intelligent, and I am gobsmacked that they were able to somehow wrest such profound understanding and compassion out of their horrible situation. OMG, such constant gaslighting from Jodi. Jessi has such a depth and wisdom; I hope they are proud of what they have accomplished and become.

[@jessicascaffidi1685]

A podcast has never made me cry before today. Jessi's resilience and ability to hold compassion for those I wouldn't deem worthy of it, is nothing short of Herculean. Their story will change the world for the better and amplify the voices of children everywhere. I'm so glad they're finally seeing support and validation in all forms. :')

[@heatherlforrester]

Watching this was heartbreaking. Not just for Jessi, but for all of the victims of Jodi Hildebrandt that have suffered for years due to what she did to them. It’s horrific.

[@whoseturnisit9733]

The Mormon church and their bishops are equally to blame. They pushed this Jodi on their membership, even after complaints were made. Morality predates religion, we should have stuck with that. Since most religions are made up and written by men for the purpose of control, it’s hardly surprising that it’s women and children that suffer through it. We should be allowed to have our own beliefs, but when those beliefs give you power over others, and it’s organised with much grifting then it’s the same as any other cult. Much respect to Jessi, hope she has an amazing life. It’s sad that it takes someone so victimised to make us aware of the evils within religion.

[@jude492]

I have to say what an amazing interview. You are both incredible. Jessi you are on an amazing healing journey and I hope this interview is part of that. So much of what you both resonated with me. Jessi your honesty and vulnerability are beautiful.

[@melisaasilem303]

Jessie is instantly likable. I hope Jessie's voice is heard throughout the LDS community.

[@DJoy-hg7ku]

Jessi, you are WOW. I am over 70 years old and have been struggling with church/God since I was in my 20's. You are a brilliant orator. I couldn't put this program on pause because I was spellbound...in a good way. Your abuse story has touched me deeply and I have a much better perspective on what happened to me and all the scars I carry. I still believe in God and I pray you will find continued peace during this time of upheaval as you have your past brought up again. You are loved.

[@sparksintelligence]

What a beautiful comment ❤❤

[@Jomama68]

Jessi and DJoy Wow! Thank you Jessi for speaking out, I'm like you DJoy, except it's been 55 years this heavy baggage has been like a dark grey cloud hovering over me non-stop. Stay Sweet.. oh my goodness hearing that is my trigger it just sets me OFF inside.

[@jenniferanderson4201]

I'm in tears hearing them say "I'd given up hope in anyone hearing or caring or believing my story" and the joy in experiencing that finally. Being able to tell our stories is so beautiful and I love seeing the healing power it holds. Hence, the beauty of MS, where stories are safe and shared. Your bravery is so beautiful Jessi.

[@murilkaa]

The way they were so happy at the end when they realized how much love and support was being thrown their way actually made me cry 😭. Jessi, I wish a lifetime of unimaginable happiness and fulfillment for you, sending you ALL the love here from Brazil

[@AddColor2Life]

I am so glad the police are opening Jessi’s case! What a strong person Jessi is! This is the best podcast I’ve ever listened to. Jessi in so insightful and what a beautiful spirit this wise person is! Thank you for sharing your story!

[@nicoleanderson395]

2:59:04 Jessi you are a hero. Hearing that your case is being reopened brought tears to my eyes. You are incredible.

[@katelynr7836]

I had to come back and watch this podcast a second time because my brain kept wandering off the first time because the abuse Jessi describes is so horrific, I couldn’t comprehend it all. Jessi is immensely strong, brave, well spoken, and so cool! Thank you Jessi. Thank you Mormon Stories.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

I've seen it 3 times

[@lannbranes]

It's jaw dropping. Jodi is absolutely insane.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

What you're describing sounds more like dissociation. To be clear, I AM NOT DIAGNOSING YOU, but it smacks of what happens to me when I get overwhelmed or my trauma gets triggered. My mind just...goes away for a little while until it seems safe to come back. I'm only operating on the very little information I have in front of me, so please correct me if I'm wrong or you'd like me to take this comment down.

[@supme7558]

? Ive herd way worse

[@karenmaguire4250]

Can we just give a thumbs up to John!!!???? John thank-you so much for the work you do. It's invaluable. I wish we could know the number of lives you have changed/or have saved.

[@Cbbartelt]

I started crying when they said their abuse case was opened back up. I don’t know if anyone who hasn’t gone through a child abuse case as an adult can truly understand the impact. A detective hearing the abuse and validating it with pursuing a case is healing in itself even though sharing the story is trauma.

[@yeesh9215]

I hope she can get on the stand as a witness and tell her story.

[@tinam761]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@hayleysmith4845]

That's incredible news. I hope Jessi and all of Jodi's victims get justice at last.

[@desimisner7440]

From one ex Pentecostal, now atheist to one ex Mormon now atheist, thank you Jesse for speaking up and telling your story so openly to all of us and for those kids as well. I commend you as a person, not only for everything you were able to survive but especially for the person that you are. I see you, I hear you and I'm sending love from South King County