Is New Zealand head coach Scott Robertson Underperforming? | The Breakdown

[@johno9761]

“Another with a 71% win rate won’t be good enough” coaches around the word have win percentages in the 50s and their getting knighted 🤣🤣🤣

[@stealthpakfa]

All players that have retired or moved overseas from the 2023 World Cup squad: Sam Whitelock 153 Aaron Smith 124 Brodie Retallick 109 Dane Coles 90 Richie Mo’unga 56 Nepo Laulala 53 Shannon Frizell 33 Leicester Fainga’anuku 7 Total: 625 tests I would have loved to see what Ian Foster’s coaching record would be without all these experienced players to choose from. Even with all these experienced players to choose from he had a 69% overall winning record and 33% winning record against top 5 opposition. He didn’t have a winning record against any of the top 5 teams (South Africa, Ireland, England, France).

[@rodwellchigome7567]

Razor should have been given the cattle above for the 2023 WC. As a South African who is in entrenched in southern hemisphere rugby and history, I truly feel they shafted Razor big time by not giving him Richie and Whitelock.

[@activegas1014]

great analysis 👍

[@k.kirchmann4967]

Absolutely, this team has been the luckiest ever. Thank goodness for the awesome referees for saving us in the close games. We have so much to learn from a team like South Africa who have been the stand out team in all aspects of this beautiful game. I'm betting my whole flock of sheep that my All Blacks will eventually improve.. thanks for the awesome unbiased show guys.. Really puts New Zealand up there with the best...

[@antoneverbright]

I'd argue Referees have saved South Africa from close games more they've done for the ABs these last 4 years.

[@k.kirchmann4967]

@antoneverbright Totally agree with you, especially in the World Cup final. We where beaten by 15 men. I mean we actually got a Red Card. That is strictly reserved for the likes of Samoa, Argentina and South Africa. Especially if they play Northern Hemisphere teams and the All Blacks, who never play a Dirty. So yes I think New Zealand where incredible lucky this year under Robinson but totally cheated last year. Bloody hell not sure Suzy is around still but then I can not be sure. Pretty sure that McKenzie had shat himself recently and that made me draw the dots. Anyway thanks for your insight, hopefully those South Africans don't beat us 5 times in a row

[@jameshickling2641]

wow… cant even get the coaches name correct. This program is a joke. And comparing first years are more a reflection of previous campaign than the new, just stop it, he inherited all foster mess - not gonna be a wave of the wand and magic. He has developed some superstars mainly in the forwards, but still many issues in the backs especially 10-12.

[@embrown3577]

I disagree with Gus, this is All Black rugby, the expectations will always be there to win everything. We should have won at least one game in SA, we should have beaten Argentina in Wgtn, we should have beaten the French. So a 13/14 would have been an achievable target. Some players need to be dropped and introduce a few more.

[@archiebobo]

Time to wake up mate. The world has caught up

[@dwayneewart5650]

Well done, Italy; AB,s will learn from this. Don't take your opponent for who you think they are. but play what's in front of you and adapt .love Razor and what he brings.... running rugby rules

[@charleswindsor1184]

One must recognize the competition in the top 8 is far more difficult than during then prior to Japan WC

[@antoneverbright]

As a french supporter, not only he has NOT been underperforming but I'm absolutely convinced that he will lead the ABs towards their 4th major title. Mark my words on this --- When Roigard is going to get his experience coming 2027, he will be the talisman of this team with Jordan and Savea (wtf why haven't they been named for POTY is beyond my comprehension) being exceptional players and the youth symbolized by Sititi (he's unbelievable, radiates such calm and confidence) This ABs side hasn't been playing with kiriffi, Holland, Sotutu, Hotham, Proctor, Love and many more, THAT my friends is a scary prospect.

[@frankvsnschalkwyk6030]

Ax actly. Inbound guys,not given chance. Poor performance due to stuck with old stock, Im a BLACK SA ALL BLACKS SUPPORTER

[@antonymackie4327]

Fully agree . I was happy to see how we developed and the passing game versus France showed a lot of promise and accuracy. We are getting the young players into position. Barrett not captain for me and we need to develop a number 10 for the next world cup. Midfield needs to keep developing and need to drop one winger and get new blood in there also. Savea at 7 and Sititi into his natural 8 position will help. We have some good 6's in line and one needs to step up and take hold of the jersey as permanent. Need a development 9 as we have identified the main man at 9 for sure. All good for me . We will be right come World Cup

[@k.kirchmann4967]

Now if only New Zealand didn't poach players from across the Pacific who knows how many World Cups we would have won fairly? Perhaps we should look at the Argentinians who have not needed foreign players to excel.

[@nathanglendining8385]

​@@k.kirchmann4967there is a clear difference between ethnicity and nationality. Educate yourself.

[@Edgycoo]

i feel the same.

[@Jacques1963]

As a Springbok supporter and looking at our current situation, we had some luck on some of our wins and also feel that we are not at the previous All Black's level. They were always the benchmark to what you want your team to be at. We went through a horrific time in 2016-2018. All teams will go through that fase. Australia are there at the moment. The teams such as Argentina, France, Ireland and Italy are growing to the top three level. As my alternative team the AB's will be back. You can bank on that. Stay positive.

[@antoneverbright]

If you think France isn't in top 3, then I'm done reading your comment. 3 times in a row we've beat the RWC 2023 finalists. Want me to remind you the actual statistics of that Quarters game during the last World Cup ? We beat you in nearly every department of the game. We deserve our Top 3.

[@stevemorgs8771]

We’ll have him if you dont want him. Commenting from Cymru

[@marnoster]

Foz didn't really develop enough depth over his tenure because the entitled All Blacks media and supporters didn't allow him to loose a few to grow the squad. Stop doing the same to Razor, guys

[@tonyalways7174]

The poor discipline in matches is ridiculous: I can barely remember a match where we kept 15 on the pitch for 80 minutes. That’s on the coaches.

[@Spencer-z6k]

The whole setup needs time to develop as do the individual aspects, 10 wins out of 14 is a pretty decent first season under the Razor era, we have a base to work from, the forwards have been great, excelling at set piece and fronting at the collision zone, unearthing huge potential for the future, as a unit they're progressing nicely, the backs however can't say the same, we do need a deadset 10 to add more direction, DMac and Beaudy both shared the duties with surprisingly decent results but you had the feeling that they'd soon break from the script and try to do it the my way or hit the highway , Richie should solidify that area when he becomes available, the rugby mad public want Razor to try another midfield pair for obvious reasons, we have the depth and we just need to do it because Rieko belongs on the wing and a lot of the time he and Jordie just looked out of sorts, a fully fit Cam Roigard will definitely be to the fore come AUSWC27 while the outside back division is also progressing nicely.... thank you 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿

[@Ra-eesaAdams]

Must bring Richie mo unga back❤

[@TapiwaMunyanyi]

This really means, the all black coaching job is not an easy one, his coaching record is much better than Alistair Coetzee at the Boks which was 44 % in 21 months

[@MorrisdeSaucer]

Kiwi arrogance at its best ,Robinson is a serious coach

[@nepiahemopo1702]

And your view of Fozzie?

[@saliemoses5720]

If Razor is such a great coach, why sticks around with underperformed players like Reese, Reiko, Jordie, Scott, Cane, Telea, and Ratima. There are far better players than them.

[@Balance-v8x]

@@nepiahemopo1702 useless

[@Balance-v8x]

@@saliemoses5720 because fozzie never built and developed other players, he was riding on the winning team of his predecessor, and his propensity is towards the negative , he never was and never will be a successful international coach, hence the fiasco the ABs are now finding themselves in. Razor needs to start from scratch, with only a handful of experienced players to pick from. Leave him alone, stop the whingeing and start supporting him like a good fan does, through thick and thin!!!!!!!!! For goodness sake, the whingeing of some of these Kiwi fans are worse than the Poms!!!!

[@SueRoycroft]

His name is Robertson 😮

[@thewhitedoncheadle8345]

think there is more competition, as in more teams challenging now than there was during john harts tenure

[@rakzd411]

Needs to be able to select players from overseas....sevu Reece is not performing and our mid field is not linking up very well at all... the forwards have been great

[@anthonyafonso3599]

Your percentages are measured by the opposition

[@thomas-bz7or]

Exactly...what a stupid comparison. Forster played his first 14 games against a poor Aussie team by 7 times, developing pumas by 4 times, fiji twice and tonga. That's an easy feast for Foster and yet he lost 2 out of 14. Razor played 8 of the top 10 teams(🇿🇦🇮🇪🇫🇷🇦🇷🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇦🇺🇫🇯🇮🇹)+🇯🇵 in his first 14 matches excluding 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and won 10/14 is a great achievement.

[@frankvsnschalkwyk6030]

No dont change policies, keep setting trend, look and give oppertunity to at new talent. 10, 12, 13 revamp.

[@Master-ng9uj]

The world is better. We are worse. Changes in the 1st XV are needed.

[@godfreymangenje428]

There has to context added onto the percentages comparing the coaches. It's a little unfair, and such an Allblacks fan problem, to complaining about winning 71-percent of your games. The one aberration was the Argentina game game but both SA games were close and the French are just a tough to beat in France and that was a close game too. Contextually, there's at least two or three maybe even four teams vying for the number one spot, internationally, I dont know there's ever been this sort of parity in the international game. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water, it's a process and the Allblacks are just at the beginning of it.

[@stealthpakfa]

@@godfreymangenje428 World rugby has never been as strong as it is today. Henry and Hansen would have a much poorer record if they were All Blacks coaches in 2024. None of them had to deal with rush defense in their time.

[@thomas-bz7or]

Too many plaplapla from everyone on the panel😂 saying most of the ABs wins are not convincing? It's like they expect AB to thrash all international teams or what😂 every team has improved and we see what Italy can do. Italy beaten Wales, Scotland and draw with France this year and they expect AB to walk over. I know it's not a good performance yet but winning by 18pts is still comfortable. Comparing coaches first 14 matches without looking at which nations they play against is stupid just like every word that comes out of their mouths. For example, Foster played his first 14 games only against Australia (7), Argentina(4), Fiji(2) & Tonga(1) and no games against any of the following top teams 🇿🇦 🇫🇷 🇮🇪 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿.

[@stealthpakfa]

@@thomas-bz7or Totally agree. Foster didn’t face a single top 5 team in his first 14 games and he still had a shocking record even with all the All Blacks greats to choose from.

[@Balance-v8x]

No he is not, he is rebuilding from scratch and cleaning up the mess of his predecessors who never built any depth but using the same ol players who just happen to retire after the last WC and still are. Give him time and start to support your coach!!!!!!!!!!!! He has very little experience to work with!!!!!!!! Geez!

[@stealthpakfa]

@@Balance-v8x agree. Attacking Robertson is what this show has become. I don’t think All Blacks should give interviews to Sky until they stop the anti-Robertson agenda.

[@dalehumphries4658]

Pretty sloppy Scott 'Robinson' on their chart! I think you have to look at the context of each coach. Prior to Foster the AB's were much more dominant than our rivals. The gap vs world rugby has closed, so I think it will be difficult to enjoy those high percentages into the future. He's also inherited a team that has lost a lot of experience. I think 71% in Year 1 with that schedule is a good pass mark - but agree we will expect better as we move forward. We have some serious talent coming through. Biggest question mark though is flyhalf. Let's see what 2025 brings.

[@stealthpakfa]

Jeff Wilson was sugar coating all the losses by getting completely outplayed and poor performances in 2020-2023. In fact he dismissed the worst loss ever to South Africa (35-7) at Twickenham saying South Africa can’t play any better rather than criticising the All Blacks. He never had a problem with losses to Argentina in 2020 and 2022. He never had a problem getting smashed by France and series loss to Ireland. Just dismissed all of them as ‘learnings’ in the build up to the World Cup. He never critisised Foster when he lost 6 out of 8 tests in 2021/2022. Go rewatch those videos if you don’t believe me. He has a personal vendetta against the current coach Scott Robertson because his favourite Foster didn’t get reappointed. Now it’s just personal vitriol masquerading as ‘criticism’ against Robertson. Suddenly he has now become this big All Blacks critic after years defending every loss and poor performance under his favourite coach Foster. Now season gradings and winnning % and comparison to previous coaches record has all become relevant. Where was all this when Foster was accumulating all those losses and putting out poor performances? You never really cared about the All Blacks, you’re just angry your preferred candidate didn’t get the All Blacks job. Just a hypocrite.

[@ianbarnett6027]

C'mon man PJ should never have been in the AB team. Thank goodness he's going to Japan and please give me a break regarding his mana. Sam Cane in his last game for the ABs badly let down by PJ.

[@Asymmetric.edge.]

The players underperform. The coaches are different but the players rebuild. Don't be so critical. If you win narrowly being inconsistent then when you hit the sweet spot, it could be a larger sum. 5/10 All Blacks. Be real. All blacks will rule but are not eternally awesome

[@petelosuaniu]

Yes. 100% yes. All his fluffers promised the stars last year. All we’ve got this year was poor. Very poor.

[@DonovanErasmus-q8l]

You guys lost generational players! As a saffa next year will see a much better outing for Nz

[@stealthpakfa]

Ian Foster’s record: - 69% winning rate. - 33% winning rate against top 5 teams. - 50% record in 1st year (only played Australia and Argentina). - Don’t have a winning record against any of the top 5 teams (Ireland, South Africa, France, England). - Lost to Argentina for the first time. - Lost to Ireland in 2021. - Lost to France in 2021. Worst defeat against France ever. - Lost at home to Ireland for the first time. - Lost a home test series to Ireland. First time to lose a home test series since 1994. Worst first half deficit in ABs history in deciding test. - Lost to Argentina at home for the first time. - Lowest world rugby ranking (5th) - 3 consecutive losses at home for first time ever. - Biggest loss against South Africa. - Biggest loss in All Black history. - First loss in World Cup pool play. - Largest defeat in World Cups for All Blacks. - Lost every game against France. - Losing record against Ireland. - Losing record against South Africa. - Lost 6 out of 8 tests between 2021 and 2022.

[@Balance-v8x]

Yeah he was riding on the success of his predecessor, Razor needs to rebuild from scratch and clean up the rubbish caused

[@nepiahemopo1702]

​@@Balance-v8xAnd has the Prince of your dreams met your desires?

[@tomb2840]

Record boosted by 3 close wins over a poor England side too...

[@msum23]

Could have easily won those two tests away to SA if NZ didn't bottle the last 10 mins too. Many games are close these days, England could have won so many more tests this year with all their close losses. The margins are small. So NZ beat Ireland away, lose to France by 1, nearly beat SA twice away. I'd say they're still up with the best in the world... losing to Argies at home was the worst result by far.

[@MorrisdeSaucer]

​@@msum23but they didn't

[@msum23]

@@MorrisdeSauceryeah, but that's not exactly an easy first season. SAx2 away, IRE, FRA, ENG away. I'd say overall, that was a success. All of those games could have gone any way

[@Edgycoo]

only a brit would say that 3 wins over them is a negative lol

[@tomb2840]

@Edgycoo I'm not a Brit. Also, British and English are not synonymous. All English are Brits but not all Brits are English. Also, the English have only beaten 4 teams this year. Japan, Wales, Italy, and then somehow beat Ireland. Also, they are shipping record points. The two 6 nations under Borthwick are their worst for points against. So yeah, I think if you play a poor England team multiple times in a year it gives you a padded record.

[@adamdestecroix5280]

Yes

[@ricksfishingandleisure]

Angus is only onthe panel because hes out going.. he was totally average at the international level and frankly cheapens the show with his comments.. Guess he's nesting in Media now given he was a fill in on SENZ Radio .. Get Cully back in @ least he knows what he talks about and doesn't try too hard to be funny

[@bkitch5755]

Being a bit generous calling him an average player , the guy was useless

[@Alann1994]

Ioane has to be dropped he's terrible at 13

[@frankvsnschalkwyk6030]

KEEP NZ HUNGER BY PLAYING LOCAL TEAMS. DONT BECOME FOLLOWERS, JUST REPLACE OLD STOCK. I FIND IT INTERESTING PRO.MOTING OUTSIDE YET NOT LOOKING INSIDE. LET THOSE WHO WANTS TO LEAVE LEEAVE. NO PLAYER RICHIE , DAN ETC TOOK TIME TO BECOME AWESOME. BUT WHEN THEY WERE DONE THEY LEFT. AND NEW ONCE BECAME. Y ARE WE IGNORANT OF LOCAL TALENT

[@basstevenson9576]

Is Robinson under performing? He is struggling. . Why else give Cane such a prominent role in the squad? Why else appoint Scott Barrett as the AB captain? . Robinson this year as coach has needed to be shored up by the players he has annoited. . Which AB coach ever did that? His predecessor Ian Foster.

[@Valour_Rich]

None of those coaches had a schedule anywhere near as tough as Razors.

[@SueRoycroft]

Your graphic can’t even spell his name correctly. Unacceptable!

[@mmchrisp]

Robinson 😂😂

[@superbok4517]

Super rugby is dead that is the main problem

[@Charlie-uz8vb]

saffa teams sucked in super rugby so not really a big loss