Justin Marshall: Grading All Blacks' year & TJ Perenara haka controversy

[@silverbackbruv6335]

Reiko isn’t a centre and is the key problem

[@DevlinSportsPodcastNetwork]

Bang on, give Proctor a go.

[@Albert_Br]

Rieko is a Fake Humble F.

[@beejallison8283]

Great defender tho Billy misses a few here an there still a Billy Jordie combo in a big match should have been given a go …not on Notthern tour tho Billy came home for new baby didn’t go back right?

[@RixMePlease]

The midfield has been lacking. Would love to see proctor, and maybe AJ Lam or Levi Amua pair up

[@westsideAUKILANI]

​@@RixMePleaseLevi aumua🤣🤣🤣

[@geotruthnz7013]

Good on ya Marty, I wasn't going to subscribe to your new channel but I reluctantly clicked the video and was pleasantly surprised with you being forthcoming with your TJ views. I am now a subscriber

[@beejallison8283]

I find it quite comforting that our scrum and lineout is right up there what an insurance policy moving forward our maul defense has improved hugely too

[@nepiahemopo1702]

Yes but you can not ignore or accept the masquerade performances. I'm sorry but Razor needs to attend a Toastmasters Course because he is a shocking public speaker.

[@Bill6000-v4s]

Good to see you not shying away from a controversial topic mate. No matter everyone’s opinion at least we can discuss.

[@TC-sm8rc]

I have no issues with tj and haka with the political issues etc, i have no sympathy for politicians. Its up to the ppl in nz to speak up and use any form available to them. Good on him I wouldve done the same, if the pollies can't handle the jandal then politics is not for them

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

You must be a selfish, narcissistic racist too then

[@GeorgeMcphillips-v6n]

Good if anyone uses the national team for politics then it denagrates the brand and obviously you would be happy if the embarrassing joke called the haka was banned

[@TheBuildKingR]

I get your point, however sport and politics never mix. It's fine if you share your views, but the moment politics gets its foot into sports, it's over for that sport. So i hope that never gets to that point.

[@GeorgeMcphillips-v6n]

@ totally agree

[@pjrtech4141]

The officiating is a major issue. NH players fall all over the ball at the rucks to slow everything down, and they get away with it. Penalize this sort of behaviour and the ABs will get some go forward. Reiko needs to go, or at least be moved out to wing.

[@fu8713]

Referees and TMOs are ridiculous throughout other games as well, it’s not rugby like we used to watch so much stop start taking play back for something that happened 30 minutes ago these Refs can do what ever they want when they want Now it’s team A vs Referees

[@Spencer-z6k]

I hear you brother, I totally fn agree...

[@nielvanderwalt1965]

Adapt.

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

What arrogance from TJ ! Who does he think he is corrupting the haka and all black rugby for his own personal activism! Justin put the view on this point very well .

[@nielvanderwalt1965]

Yet tj was running his mouth when folau expressed his views.

[@virgboogie]

Change our mid-field problem solved!!

[@nepiahemopo1702]

We're blessed with great sport broadcasters.

[@MauriceLeahy]

Looking forward Marty what we need to find next year is big and powerful numbers six and eight . We have the slightly smaller and very mobile loose forwards .In the backs we need to select more naturally creative midfield backs . Barrett and Ioane are strong running players but not naturally creative which is restricting the progress of this team .AS for picking players from overseas i am against it . WE still have a strong production line of producing quality players . The art of selection is as important as coaching and i believe that in NZ the players are there you just have to look hard

[@beejallison8283]

Loose forwards went well tho right lotsa line breaks and turnovers won lineout went good scrum solid as… none of our boys getting g smashed out there ?

[@ObiePaddles]

Politically put Justin Marshall! We all agree though.

[@InezFrancis-l7c]

That is at rugby games at international venues.

[@brettg4784]

NZ Rugby would need to follow the Aussie approach after a certain number of tests then eligible to play for the AB's, otherwise there is a risk of a mass exit of young players

[@redneckReno]

Get rid of Rieko

[@DevlinSportsPodcastNetwork]

look above

[@Spencer-z6k]

Nah, swap him with Caleb, put Rieko back on the wing where he should've been at the start, the whole Rieko at centre experiment was a huge flop...

[@TC-sm8rc]

Does lester fainganuku play same position as Reiko? If so, get him back to nz for selection and do a clean swap and drop Reiko.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

​​@@Spencer-z6kCaleb can't defend on the wing and you wan t to throw him into the centre? Pass. 😢

[@NigelMiller-lf6nr]

No. Ian Foster began to normalize All Black losses, saying 'the All Blacks are just another team'. These AB's have to snap out of the 'acceptable loss' mindset

[@beejallison8283]

We have lost plenty in recent past too everyone beat us in 70s 80s and 90s we lost plenty games and it is way more competitive nowadays everyone would agree on that I reckon

[@fu8713]

beejallison8283 You don’t understand kid. It’s was Nz first lost to Ireland Foster and Hansen First and second loss to Argentina First series loss to Ireland at home and the big drop in winning percentages from 77% to 60 some Until he got Razors coaching staff they improved a bit He got 3 firsts 😳 The other teams are definitely improving but does that mean the top team stops improving? I don’t think so or are ABs going backwards

[@Mysterx1440]

If anything normalised all blacks losses it was the scoreboard

[@beejallison8283]

@ we drew with a way worse Pumas team in the early 80s we lost every tri nations game in 98 Aussie had our number at various different periods mid 80s early 90s early 2000s Boks had our number for awhile there after 07 old Laurie list a heap of games ore 95 lost to Munster in the 70s too …and Ireland Argentina teams today are way way better than previously

[@badallblack]

Reiko could be a world class centre if he can work on his upper body strength so he can offload and pass better. Dont forget when Nonu first started he was written off and then become on the worlds best centre. Needs to get tips from Sonny Bill and the Professor

[@SuperDad58458]

Look to the past AB backlines. We always had a really strong 12.13 and great wingers and Full backs. And Halves that had the X factor ,Or could stand up again from super to test level. But we haven't got one in the backs that can even get close maybe except Talea or Jordan.,

[@dino1065]

We always talk about TJ being Maori and how proud he is to be one...fair enough. His mother doesn't have a drop of Maori blood in her as far as I know and I grew up with her and her whanau in Titahi Bay. His Nana is Pat Farrow a NZ softball representative back in the day as are both his parents and his mother's brother - he really should have been an international softball rep - luckily he chose rugby. Do you think he would have these views and made these sorts of statements if it meant excluding his pakeha Nana! I think, and know, not! He loves her as much as any grandchild ever has and would never disrespect this lovely lady. Its time that NZ media did some real investigative journalism to find out who people truly are, and in this case TJ, and not what they think they represent. He would never disrespect his Nana or his mum...pity you so called media missed all of that!

[@conspiracytheoryorthetruth5027]

Bro it was Nana who told him to do it! 😂

[@piccolo_nz1142]

Rieko messed up going into the centres, no overseas team will contract him adapter the last couple of seasons as a below average midfielder.his support group just lie to him

[@stevenwortrich6014]

If SA can transcend politics anyone can.

[@InezFrancis-l7c]

Surely if the haka is to be used as a tool for political expediency, that,is reason enough to have it banned.

[@Christsfireignitors]

10 out of 14 is a pass but not 100%

[@rogerpattube]

Can’t fault your maths!

[@matthewviliamu2679]

All Blacks should make statements in their personal time.......like when richie mcCaw and other ABs fronted promo material for John key in an AB jersey...like that time the players donned coloured laces to support rainbow community...like that time the All Blacks left their Maori players back home to enjoy their personal time while the team flew to play in apartheid south africa...like all those times ABs wear a poppy on their sleeve...like how the NZR monetize maori culture and use of haka for branding... just a maori / brown thing. NZ Europeans have so much say and influence over everything. Even including how our names or mis-pronounced every single game. Sometimes you get one guy's name said incorrectly 3 or 4 different ways. people need to stop being so precious and sensitive, wake up and realize that TJ's heritage his history, is weaved through the history and heritage of this country. And we are all sharing in that tu meke TJ

[@owenmalcolm4033]

Excellent work Marty, and Justin, love your mature views. TJ crossed a line, and NZ rugby should not let that happen again.

[@NigelMiller-lf6nr]

The problem is, TJ has now retired from AB's - so it's not like saying you will be banned from AB's - for making political [let alone divisive] statements on the field. Perhaps new rules stating Future career bans, plus loss of years salary...

[@Albert_Br]

TJ is a great All Black. The Haka is a Maori expression. Marshal is old white man telling Maori what they can and cant do. Good on TJ.

[@fu8713]

NigelMiller Yo momma lol

[@NigelMiller-lf6nr]

@@Albert_Br Don't you see. The AB's Already Had the Maori expression: it is called The Haka. There was no need to to insult non-Maori, as in 'Get Out of Aotearoa you invading White Honky'

[@hamishcraig6999]

I would like to know what the person 'leading' the haka is saying. Is there a script they (he, she or it) follows? Is it discussed and approved, or just ad lib by the one who is yelling? Who understands it anyway? I don't and mostly kiwis don't speak Te Reo! Maybe the words should be put on the big screen so we all can know what is being said?

[@diyguru9677]

Remember John Key politicising the All Blacks in his 2014 election campaign? Te tiriti is not a controversy, it has existed for as long as NZ has, 184 years. This Seymour bill is the problem not TJ Peranara.

[@Reformed1-e1c]

John Key was not an AB. Also his govt was involved in securing the hosting of RWC 2011, that had an economic benefit for the country. David Seymour is not the problem. Its people who are not reading the bill..they just react to social media clips. TJP is using his platform to promote his ideology, which is divisive.

[@rogerpattube]

Prime Ministers have always tried to associate themselves with the success of the All Blacks. Helen Clark comes to mind. that’s very different from All Blacks becoming politicians as All Blacks.

[@Bill6000-v4s]

That’s fine to believe that about Seymour etc but the problem is TJ for Sundays Haka. He’s representing his Country when that jersey is on, not his own political opinion. Voice your opinion as soon as you take that jersey off.

[@diyguru9677]

@@Bill6000-v4s Can you imagine a US athlete being considered controversial for supporting the US Constitution? When did te tiriti o Waitangi become a controversial position for any NZer to take? Without te tiriti there's no All Blacks 'cause there's no Aotearoa New Zealand.

[@diyguru9677]

@@Reformed1-e1c One simple question. What is the founding document of Aotearoa New Zealand?

[@Thuglifebabybaby]

naah good on you TJ proud of my brother.. these ballheads dont know the true meaning of a Haka..

[@nielvanderwalt1965]

Wouldve given them a D. They lost to arg in nz again and lost 2 tests where they were more than 10 points ahead and were in charge. So season is at best a D.

[@subhuman119]

I find it laughable that Pakeha are trying to dicate what Maori can and cannot say. I can guarantee that TJ Perenara's statement before the haka was given the okay by the leadership and coaches in the All Blacks, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. I don't know everyone is getting all bent out of shape. Didn't everyone commend the NBA stars that took a knee during their anthem for the Black Lives Matters movement - why should this be any different. If you are opposed to the statement that TJ Perenara made before the haka, and the All Black standing up for Maori here in New Zealand, then you're nothing but a Chris Luxon fan boy and a closest racist.

[@shanecriddle-z5h]

justin you know how to beat tony brown eh nahh he stepped you, and then the red and blacks smashed everyone and won.thanks for beating them bokke under fitz too ova there you da man surprized ur not the Abs backcoach wit razor thanx mr mashall and to all the men in black martydelvin thank usir

[@fu8713]

Need our overseas players especially 9 10 two most important positions. If it’s working for everyone else 🤷🏼‍♂️ Keep pushing grassroots and club players through Give razor one more year his results should tell us a lot We need another Nonu Smith combo good hard running THINKING PLAYERS you can’t teach that and just robot players that just go with the flow we want players that make plays happen out of nothing when it’s needed Ritchie Mouanga B Barret Maa Nonu Conrad smith type shiit ✊

[@Spencer-z6k]

The overseas selection process....as a professional footballer, you should be able to play for your country and make a buck doing something you love, right, well under these certain circumstances and those situations.....utter bullshit, no other way to describe it ahahaha......

[@toakasi6425]

Tautoko Justin is oldschool no woke signaling or dog whistling leave at that haka and playing rugby should represent the team not the imagined culture that you think will support pro or anti of this government. Nga mihi nui its refreshing to listen to an old AB Marshall Mertens and Cullen and Lomu are from Uncle Dougs generation they know tradition has its place and its not about further adding on its about respect and keeping yourself and your team united in good spirits. In other words honour the black jersey All Blacks should not be imparted or given a slogan.

[@fu8713]

toakasi6425 Shuddup dummy

[@silverbackbruv6335]

Always here for you Marty

[@DevlinSportsPodcastNetwork]

There you are.

[@Thuglifebabybaby]

12:50 Haka

[@davidgrosvenor1]

TJ was wrong, wearing an AB shirt, dont understand Marty! Dont make excuses, no one is questioning his ability but political crap is not on

[@Albert_Br]

TJ was right. He's doing a Maori haka. He has the right to make a Maori Haka that supports Maori.

[@beejallison8283]

It’s a Haka it’s an issue that involves Māori and he has earned the right I reckon

[@westsideAUKILANI]

This is nothing new for All Blacks. Ignorance is alive and well in NZ. What these issues have highlighted if anything, is how racist NZ actually is.

[@Albert_Br]

Marshal is old man from Gore telling Maori what they can and cant do. lol. FO.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

Politics have no place in sport. Yet it has a part in every other aspect in life.

[@rata4878]

Haka belongs to Māori first and foremost, TJs mihi was in support of our founding documents, which established NZ. If coaches and group supported TJ then thats all the endorsement you need.

[@Gazzabondi]

It’s New Zealand’s team - when your fans make up all sorts of New Zealanders do you think it’s a good idea to give some of them a kick in the face… just because you can… do it outside the jersey

[@JeffAndrew-r5q]

Your supposed founding document is not legal.. how can just 10% of the chiefs of the time scribble on a piece of parchment . Having know clue what it stated have been legal?? What happened to the other 90% of chiefs in leadership of their iwis???? The bloody useless Poms should have been waiving something else other than bibles when they walked off their ships...

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

Put they didn’t know. Tj lied to the captain, coach and management . Pissed off to japan leaving a shit show behind him . What a great guy.

[@rata4878]

@@AnnSmith-u9c From Razors well chosen words when interviewed, it was endorsed mate

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

@ well he better watch out, his performance isn’t that great and I’m sure his bosses would not be happy if he endorsed TJ . The footage of it has been taken down

[@lindachandler2247]

No no,other coahes haven't had this happen so why for Razor.

[@steveosullivan4211]

The so called senior ALL BLACKS need to go, all, no exceptions, players who played in 7,8,6, 10, 12, 13 all gone. New captain as well. These old stagers have produced the same results for the same years under Foster. It is not going to change, these players are not winners, gone. Youth, new players, give a chance. TJ is a self-interest Pratt, who is grifting for a seat with TPM after rugby.

[@fu8713]

Shuddup

[@actiaint]

Those old stagers were robbed of a world cup. We got better this year once they were selected.

[@Albert_Br]

TJ is a great All Black. You are The jealous Pratt lol. The haka is Maori. Do you want to ban the haka?

[@beejallison8283]

That would not be a good idea

[@beejallison8283]

As for the grifting aspect all the ABs are more than just ABs would guess a large amount have used connection to sport to further interests and career passions right?

[@mb68nz35]

Marty your silences on the issue makes you complicit on whats going on in this country. Most seem happy to appropriate our culture when its suits you, but not willing to defend us when it matters. In my opinion TJ saved the mana of the ABs, being a full blown ignorant goblin, I doubt you know how Marty....TOITUTETIRITI

[@sbeehre]

What a load of crap there is nothing being lost by Maori and nothing that needs to be defended except if you see equality for all as problematic.

[@mb68nz35]

@@sbeehre You think Pakeha dont have equality? I as Maori know we dont have equality. It shows in negative statistics in housing, employment, justice and healthcare. In this country Pakeha have a system of white supremacist based on there cultural norms. People in this country are just ignorant of facts .TOITUTETIRITI.

[@westsideAUKILANI]

​@@sbeehrethere's a whole lot Maori could lose if this bill is passed. They are looking to sell off to overseas interests, Maori will have no say. You are misinformed

[@sbeehre]

@ Did you hear that from the Maori party who are now the tinfoil hat wearing Maori conspiracy party.

[@Gazzabondi]

@@westsideAUKILANIwhat a total load of horseshit. If you want to protest foreign ownership or investment then protest that. Thats not what the Treaty Principles Bill is about no matter how much you try and spin it