Run Over Bestie Or Strangers? Trolley Problems 2 - SimplyPodLogical

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On this episode of SimplyPodLogical, Cristine and Ben debate trolley problems and argue about besties, second cousins, robots, thrill-seeking behaviour and living on loop.
0:00 - Hey what’s up holo everyone
01:56 - It's the after After Party
02:53 - We finally have simplypod merch
04:20 - Cats for Charity merch
05:32 - Trolley Problem 11: a person or Amazon package
06:49 - Trolley Problem 12: your bestie or 5 strangers
11:00 - Trolley Problem 13: you can't see without glasses
12:09 - Trolley Problem 14: one first cousin or 3 second cousins
13:01 - What is a cousin
16:17 - Trolley Problem 15: five old people or one baby
22:48 - Trolley Problem 16: you or five clones of you
27:03 - Trolley Problem 17: 50% chance of two people or 10% chance of ten people
31:29 - Trolley Problem 18: five robots or one human
35:00 - Trolley Problem 19: three empty trollies worth $900k or one empty trolley worth $300k
38:26 - Trolley Problem 20: trolley that's releasing CO2
43:37 - Trolley Problem 21: you or five reincarnated versions of you
46:51 - Trolley Problem 22: it's just a prank
46:57 - Trolley Problem 23: good citizen or a litterer
49:09 - Trolley Problem 24: eternal trolley loop
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[@meganf4123]

Hey Cristine and Ben! Just so you’re aware a second cousin is when you chop your first cousin into two pieces, then they regrow like a starfish - the same applies to third cousin and so on and so forth. Hope this helps! ❤️ 🤗

[@jessicarose5386]

OMG you're so right! I never thought of explaining second cousins this way!

[@RealBradMiller]

So then why is my uncle in jail for making me six cousins?! 🤔

[@NDub16]

Ben not realizing he’s Cristine’s bestie and she killed him

[@eliza1780]

Well done for convincing Ben to do another episode of this Cristine!

[@lizalove91]

I was surprised 😂 haha

[@karolinakustor7810]

Why does he hate it? 😅

[@AshyRey91]

I was hoping for it, Simply gets what Simply wants lol

[@sadvegetableperson]

Ben getting into the ethics of amazon was great. More of that

[@qest6889]

so 6:24 only 80% agree to save someone over a package being late ?

[@mowglinhazel8731]

The $300,000 vs $900,000 question, I think it does matter who owns it. $300,000 to a small business is worth much more than $900,000 is to a company like Amazon!

[@princessconsuela398]

cristine: "for me there's zero thrill, there's only anxiety" I've never related to anything more😅

[@ginabeck79]

So, in this episode, Simply coming in hot with immediate movie and actor references? How? Is this our real Cristine?

[@belindarocky961]

I was just as shocked as you are 😆😆 maybe it's Clone Cristine who knew the movie references

[@lynnevetter]

One of the clones... 🤣

[@chibiosaka]

I love how Cristine thinks of these moral dilemmas like riddles she has to solve

[@bizzle4266]

Lol! I thought the "once removed" meant there had been a family fallout but things are cool now. 😂😂😂

[@katya3805]

If you haven't seen The Good Place tv show you totally should. Would love to hear you discuss it on an episode.

[@beautifulgorgeousman]

man that show was so good. i wish i could watch it for the first time again, but it’s really cool to rewatch and notice all the little details you didn’t catch on the first watch.

[@XSemperIdem5]

It was so much better than I thought it was going to be. They should definitely watch it and discuss it.

[@mare.vitalis]

So if there’s podlogical merch, taco tuesdays can’t end

[@lizdegrasse7960]

I thought the same thing lol, Simply has executed the perfect plan lmfao😹🎉💚🩵

[@mare.vitalis]

@@lizdegrasse7960 she enjoys the trolley game too much 😂

[@marto0o97]

Cristine's refusal/inability to put herself in these situations is taking me out 😂 great conversations we do miss you but we understand you're busy and will be tuning in whenever you might be around again!!!

[@JustDense28]

34:12 The company that makes those dog-like robots is Boston Dynamics, which a few years ago were all the hype within the internet spaces I was in bc of how cool they looked and what they were able to do,but since they made it clear that they'd be for military use ive seen most people be like "nah, we don't fuck with that shit" lol

[@marto0o97]

Cause guess who funds them :P

[@SaboCatGirl]

1st cousins share grandparents, 2nd cousins share great grandparents. Once/twice/thrice removed counts the differences in generations..so my first cousin’s kids would be my “1st cousin once removed”.

[@alyssaguardino]

See I thought it was the opposite I thought your cousins kid was your second cousin

[@linn8370]

​@@alyssaguardino your cousins kid would be the second cousin to your kid

[@gwengilliam5055]

Simple breakdown of the cousin question: If Cristine and Jen both had kids, their kids would be first cousins. If Cristine’s fictitious kids had kids, those kids would be her grand babies and would be first cousins once removed in relation to Jen’s fictitious kids. If Jen’s fictitious kids had kids, then Cristine’s fictitious grandkids and Jen’s fictitious grandkids would be second cousins.

[@linn8370]

Cousin = your parent and their parent are siblings 2nd cousin = your parent and their parent are cousins

[@christinem1458]

I get it, but without consistent use of this terminology, it's all still very confusing. In the Philippines we just call them cousins no matter whar, keep it simple. I don't think I heard of any of these terms until I got to the US lol

[@katyb2793]

So if Jen's Grandkid had a kid, what relation is Cristine's grandkid to Jen's Grandkid? I genuinely want to know because I don't know how to refer to my mum's cousins lol

[@katyb2793]

@@christinem1458 i love how even a distant relative is still a aunt, uncle, cousin and valued as family in the Philippines. I think we dont do this so well in the west.

[@christinem1458]

@@katyb2793 a lot of Asian countries are family oriented including Philippines. You don't even have to be related to call someone aunt, uncle (tita, tito) or older brother/older sister (ate, kuya). It's more of an acknowledgement/respect for elders. If it's your superior at work, you call them ma'am/sir or mr./ms.

[@emilynelligan7611]

As someone with 60+ cousins, I’ve had to figure out the cousin thing so here you guys go lol. It’s easiest to see in a family tree with clear rows and columns. 1st and 2nd cousins are in the same row as you are, and the number relates to how many columns away they are. I don’t think you even touched on the ‘removed’ thing, but that is just how many rows before or after you is the cousin. The visual helps me, idk about you guys, but hope it makes sense!

[@4thina4ngel]

Ben getting so jealous at 20:12 hahahaha

[@mr.dahliaking.202]

I just came back to check on this channel after 5 years. Oh my. Christine has become a true success story and an example. But also both of them became a true mom and dad. Even from the looks. I love you both, you were my favorite people when I was growing up.

[@qest6889]

where have u beeeyyyn

[@annasullivan2564]

So can the next trolley problem episode be viewer submitted trolley problems? Maybe that'd get rough so who knows, but I could see this being a fun time

[@Annkelia]

Would definitely save bestie and want to be saved by a bestie. Very primordially tribal here! Strangers who? 😂

[@notke6207]

I just want to say I haven’t watch you guys in a long time but recently noticed you are “back” but in different ways. I am enjoying the new side of you two that we didn’t get to see in your simply nail logical days

[@londonmellow]

do you know she does livestreams now on her 2nd channel?

[@notke6207]

@@londonmellow yes! Thats how I found her podcast too. I literally took a break from KZbin myself when all my favorite KZbinrs left around the same time.

[@SmittenKitten.]

I've told my best friend that if they had the "best friend vs five strangers" choice where it was me on the tracks, choose the flipping strangers. So we're ready!!

[@jampsonn1826]

Okay sooooo movie review episode again please! I'm also loving the TVD mention. Would DIE for a review of that from either of you. 😅

[@stardoll1995]

With the sentient robot thing I'd pick the robots because sentient doesn't equal having the nerve endings capable of feeling actual physical or emotional pain, it just means they'd realise they're getting run over and if they're sentient robots that don't feel any pain I can't say how much suffering they'd actually feel.

[@KacieRiley]

For the 1 trolly vs 2 trollies question, maybe it’s a chance for the people creating the questions to see if people are associating the trolleys with death or seeing the trolly as a killer 🧐

[@kaylamaenot3247]

Not BEYN forgetting that bestie is essentially silly munchkins for life's catch phrase 😂

[@01dulce]

I been watching y’all for a long time from simplynailogical. Recently I decided to listen to the podcast because quite frankly I miss y’all and I tried watching lives but I miss it so I watch the vids sometimes. ^^ please continue this podcast I been listening to it so much especially when I’m traveling and at work🤧

[@tiffanyr4781]

They are so goofy and I love it!

[@SlugcatEmporium]

I like how Ben will commit to giving an opinion.

[@radbu1075]

Even though sometimes he gets cancelled 😂

[@Hi.biscus]

Ben said “I hate Eminem” right as I was ab to eat m&ms lol

[@sl33pybunny]

15 years for an elderly family member is priceless. That trolley question is too hard.

[@KelsieJG__they-them]

I'm 100% the same as Cristine about gambling. Even thinking about other people gambling gives me anxiety, let alone my own self.

[@ginabeck79]

I am hoping for the neon Simply logo on a zip hoodie. 🙂

[@id3389]

10:45 bestie is a beloved term in the Simply stream chat, please treat it with respect! 🤣

[@PVempati]

1st cousins - when your parents are siblings 2nd cousins - when your parents are 1st cousins

[@Hi.biscus]

Very excited a new ep came out. Love the podcast sm and their diff perspectives on things

[@thespankmyfrank]

Whenever I see these trolley problems all I can think about is the Unus Annus episode where Mark and Ethan were speedrunning the whole thing and just ended up laughing so hard they couldn't speak. Man, I miss that channel. Memento mori and all that. (Also, I love these videos! Keep convincing Ben to do this stuff!!)

[@delphine.sophie83]

I just saw a video that explains that, on this trolley/moral dilema problems, you are more incline to have a rational response if the question is asked in another language than your mothertongue. Anyway, Cristine's logic is where I am at 😉. Take care guys and can't wait for the next podcast!

[@its_clean]

#15 5 old people vs 1 baby, the way I see it is: Yes, the total years of life are about the same at 100 (1 baby x 100 vs 5 olds x 20ish). The assumption is that the baby has mostly productive years ahead of him, while the old people are all in their retirement/twilight years. So, do you value 100 years of future productivity, or 100 years of reward for past productivity? I think this is questioning your values of motivation vs reward, and working for societal good vs enjoying/reaping rewards of a life already lived. Is our goal in life simply to work and produce, and are our non-productive years without worth? #16 Clone question is really about how your define "human" or "alive". If you believe being human requires some kind of god-given soul, or that only natural birth imbues you with natural life, then of course you value the "original" more than clones. But if you believe that humanity and life is based only on tangible and measurable traits (physical structure, electrical and chemical brain activity, human behavior, etc) then you would see no distinction between an original human and a clone, and they should be valued the same. $17 The 10% question is interrogating your risk assessment approach. What if the 10% option wasn't 10 people, but all living humans? And what if instead of 10%, it was 1%? The question wants you to think about options with very low probability, but much higher stakes, vs options with higher probability but lower stakes. If something is very unlikely to happen, but if it does happen it would be cataclysmic, is it worth devoting resources to tackling that, as opposed to dealing with problems that are much more common but less catastrophic?

[@kaitlandbreen455]

Love this series! ❤

[@rachelg.5348]

I love yall ❤ I need this every week 😫♥️♥️♥️

[@MaryDan]

The movie Beyn was thinking of with Denise Richards was Wild Things And yes, SMG makes out with Selma Blair in Cruel Intentions lol

[@ybwm_ika]

Best part of my week❤️

[@Tosipahamorso]

Waitt but the math is the same? Kind of. At least if you do it this way: Choice 1: 5/10 pulls kills 2 people So if you pull 10 times, the most likely outcome is that 5×2=10 people die Choice 2: 1/10 pulls kill 10 people So if you pull 10 times, the most likely outcome is that 1×10=10 people die However, for one pull I'd choose the 10% one too, there's more possibilities for people not to die after all.

[@shannon2762]

Loved the last trolley episode, can’t wait to watch this!

[@irinam31]

Whenever I think of The Prestige, I too want to watch The Prestige

[@SamIsHere444]

I have such different answers from you guys for a lot of these and I wish SO BADLY that I could call in and talk about it 😭

[@estefaniamartinezv]

Omg! I love the merch ❤

[@suzannehawkins383]

of course the real life example in your scenario, where you talk about being caught in an infinite loop, reminds me of the recent triton submersible situation and the dilemma we all thought about - if you knew you would all run out of air, would you want to all go out at once in one big planned move, or just wait until the inevitable...

[@kersbomb]

On littering, an accident is completely different to purposefully throwing crap out the car 💖

[@haleybug230]

I always understood 2nd cousins as your parents' cousins. I grew up calling my second cousin "aunt" because she was around the age of my mom's sister's. I've also always called my Great uncle by "uncle"

[@jacqweee]

not even half way and this ep is fantastic 😭🤌

[@lizdegrasse7960]

I wasn't too sure what i wanted for Cristmas this year, thank you Simply now i can get merch and ofc a desk mug warmer lmao❤️🎄💚🎅🏻

[@daniellerodgers6493]

Ben, “bestie” has BEEN HAPPENING 😅

[@katherinemartin9721]

There is actually a card game version of this one that has some really good arguments but more on the funny side. We love playing it with the fam.

[@marilynmathew96]

We did it! We got more trolly problems!

[@kjy727]

Love the depth of these discussion! And also obsessed with how pretty Cristine's hair is here omg.

[@AlyssaEm]

Ben really wants to stop eh? Why though? I love this so much! More than the live video gaming to be honest…

[@folded_pizza]

I can't watch the live gaming because of my time zone, and it's no fun watching recordings of livestreams. I much prefer this, where I can watch whenever I have time and split it in three days.

[@pizzaguy552]

34:04 Well part of the reason Boston Dynamics exists is a boatload of military funding

[@jacquelynnepowell9850]

The Prestige is a really good movie

[@itszenbaby]

Your 1st cousin is your aunt/uncle’s child, 2nd cousin is your parent’s aunt/uncle’s child. So your child and your cousin’s child will be 2nd cousins too. Removed refers to the generation. E.g. your 1st cousins child is your 1st cousin once removed and your 1st cousin’s grandchild is your 1st cousin twice removed.

[@ThereAre4Lights]

Love a good trolley episode!!! Lol Amazon if had the cure to cancer something tells me they wouldn't sell it 😂

[@christinem1458]

Yaaaaaayyy another episode! Also those crewnecks are so cute...I kinda want one as a Christmas sweater hehehe

[@Look_look_at_my_cats]

Omg the trolley being stuck in an eternal loop made me laugh, the absurdity reached peak levels for me! lolol

[@oliviaunderc0ver]

oh im definitely getting this merch

[@Janiz1998]

I know sometimes with car accidents, if you choose to swerve to miss someone but then you hit something else, you are at fault. So, I do think the thought process is avoiding guilt when you do nothing. And yes, you can do carbon offsets. I know some people that travel often, and they give money separately to an org that does offsets

[@KatjeKat86]

My brain thinks the last trolley question is a philosophy one where the trial in a circle is representative of the Earth. So no I wouldn't stop it because we are blissfully happy to continue to struggle on our little rotating planet for eternity.

[@rose_ugh]

I'm just here imagining the slowest little trolley that allows you to take 8 hours before you have to describe. Is it a trolley for snails?

[@lizalove91]

I feel like in both of these episodes there still wasn’t one about saving the person who goes on to cure cancer, etc!

[@giaguu514]

i love that simply and ben know about the vampire diaries

[@Ashtondragon99]

The problem of the trolley going round a round track infinitely, it depends did the people on the trolley consent to being on this trolley or were they forced there against their will? Personally I would pull the lever but with outside information people can't make a good decision on these. I know that's not the point of the trolley problem but that's what I don't like about them.

[@jaz9915]

"The famous Sarsgaard" the whole lot of them are pretty famous 😂

[@estefaniamartinezv]

Yeah! Trolley 🎉

[@ranniesd]

I always thought Ben was fun, but man is he FUNNY. Like genuinely making me crack up every couple minutes. Love you both 😂 Oh also, simplest way to explain who your second cousin is is they are you parents’ cousin’s kids

[@SaarNSN]

Love these and would love to hear you talk more about ethical/philosophical issues and thought experiments!

[@naonao9528]

I have a large extended family that is really close. The 70 of us get together at least 2 times a year. In our case there isn't much difference between cousins and 2nd/once removed cousins, because your older cousins kids and the youngest cousins tend to be around the same age. So everyone is just a cousin. Either way I think this has the same problem as the best friend vs stranger dynamic.

[@mrpotatoman791]

spotify just did the spotify wrapped, I got top 2% of listeners, love your channels and your podcast

[@WilliamComartin]

I disagree with the premise of doing nothing is void of action, I think doing nothing is an action.

[@emgee8618]

Nothing exists in a vacuum, not even the trolley problems.

[@ayvattoduan1147]

37:26 I would personally choose 3 empty trolleys, because that would make more likely the original trolley to finally stop and make no more damages to elderly, babies, robots and so on

[@rajun713]

as someone who does have a big family i have never refered to my second cousins as second cousins 😭 i call them cousins but tbh it does feel like theyre not family members to me personally lol

[@vastgraph]

I asked my bestie to do this with me after your previous episode and she straight-up declined it. Told me I was a psycho🫠🫠🫠

[@lizalove91]

Rude!

[@linn8370]

😭

[@qest6889]

I think we all know whose not getting a lever pull on level 12

[@carogirlyaya]

The faint sounds of Zyler singing the song of his people in the background is cracking me up

[@XSemperIdem5]

I always remember when Cristine said that Zyler goes off into another room in the house to practice his English speaking skills alone, in privacy 😂

[@emileehoerl98]

Petition for Ben and Cristine to watch and review 12 Angry Men 🤞🏻🤞🏻

[@ZAB_Nailz]

So for any of these, but in particular the first one, what if part of the scenario was that you didn’t know what the lever would do?

[@M3ynna]

Zyler howling at 51:37 😂

[@samueljosiah4657]

Cristine there's this show i think you would like it's called Psycho-Pass. It's a Japanese sci-fi/ psychological thriller with a premise that might interest you.

[@JJoshjj]

Hotel Lobby Collection confirmed! See I told you

[@SurprisedPikacheesecake]

In the second one I would ASK my friend, assuming they're conscious and I'm able to do so, what they would want me to do. Imagine saving your buddy in this situation and they're traumatized forever knowing they were responsible for the death of 5 people? That level of PTSD would be horrifying. So I'd be like "what should I do? I wanna save you but can we live with knowing the sacrifice?"

[@DJiswatching]

Why am I subbed but haven't seen the simply pod in my sub feed for a year

[@cynthiah6430]

Is that Zyler in the background?

[@LeCyanMan]

43:00 there is a podcast episode of Philosophize This! By Stephen West on the difference of how women vs men analyze ethical questions and Cristine explained the way women usually see ethical questions like these perfectly lol

[@jessicafurno4734]

Swan Song was such a fascinating movie! Not Ben calling me a nobody.

[@mrsfieri]

i love those hoodies! what youtuber are they from?

[@madilyne]

I would for the Christine and Ben talk about philosophy on the podcast

[@KateDiotte]

You are not the only one who feels that way about gambling! I hate it so much!

[@JennaGetsCreative]

So I was curious and looked up Ryan Phillippe. Definitely not in Saving Private Ryan. Known for Cruel Intentions, as mentioned, as well as Crash, Godsford Park, and 54. He has 71 prior and 5 upcoming acting credits on IMDB and I've seen like 3 of them.

[@xcarex]

I think Cristine was mixing up Saving Private Ryan with Flags of our Fathers, which Ryan Philippe is indeed in. His best recent work was in the Macgruber movie and TV series, if you want to see him try to be the serious action hero in the absolute silliest SNL sketch spinoff.

[@justhumannailture]

Ben’s favorite 😂

[@melima_]

For me the problem 300k vs 900k trolley is: am I liable for the 300k trolley destroyed? Will my insuranace pay? Or will they claim I willfully destroyed the 300k trolley? The owner of the trolleys (city, private person, whoever) (most likely) has an insurance for their trolleys, that covers brake failures and similiar things, so the 900k trolley loss would be covered by insurance.

[@x_x4269]

hell yeah