Pull The Lever or Nah? Trolley Problems 1 - SimplyPodLogical

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On this episode of SimplyPodLogical, Cristine and Ben debate trolley problems and argue about utilitarianism, good samaritan laws, shoplifting, judicial discretion, and ask you to consider the lobster.
0:00 - Hey what’s up holo everyone
0:39 - The trolley problem show!
1:07 - Why Ben doesn’t like trolley problem games
3:35 - Simply has new merch
5:07 - Trolley Problem 1: 5 people or 1 person
9:40 - Can you watch someone drown?
12:41 - Ben doesn’t like shoplifting
15:01 - Trolley Problem 2: 5 people or 4 people
15:39 - Trolley Problem 3: 5 people or your life savings
16:20 - Is it ever moral to choose money over saving human life?
18:53 - Trolley Problem 4: 5 people or sacrifice yourself
21:06 - The Dark Knight boat dilemma
24:09 - Trolley Problem 5: 5 people or The Mona Lisa
24:35 - Climate activists destroying art
29:01 - Is art ever more valuable than a human life?
31:09 - Trolley Problem 6: accepting bribes
35:23 - Trolley Problem 7: 5 lobsters or a cat
40:04 - Do cats contribute more to society than lobsters?
42:47 - Trolley Problem 8: 5 sleeping people or one awake person
43:46 - Trolley Problem 9: 5 people who put themselves on the tracks or one person
45:09 - Judicial discretion and the importance of context
43:46 - Trolley Problem 10: Do you speed up the train?
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[@christeaaa]

I think my favorite take is this parent set up a scenario on a train set toy and the little kid moved the one person over with the rest of the people and ran all of them over LOL!!!

[@imbwildrd3693]

yeah, that's really funny, ha ha ha - let's teach kids that killing people is fun!!! ha ha ha christeaaa please seek help

[@ceciliatapioca]

If that’s not prime toddler behavior, I don’t know what that is 🤣

[@strawberryqueen0382]

Now that’s some good pattern recognition skills!

[@melbapeach162]

Efficiency.

[@dulceDGH4152]

Im a therapist. I consider Kohelberg’s model of moral development. It sounds like you (Ben and Cristine) are in stage 5 (almost the last stage) when speaking about retail theft. You consider the law for the law. People should not steal, now items are behind keys at target + Walmart. Stage 6 would consider why?. In the US, many retail store like Target that are in “poorer” areas have more items behind keys. Not chips or clothes, but deodorant, shampoo, textured hair care, toothpaste : hygiene. Often because people steal these items the most; why? Because people need them. Why would people need to steal this? Maybe they can’t afford it, which, studies have proven this. Instead we should consider removing the barrier to affording basic needs like hygiene items.

[@its_clean]

I like the question you asked at the end, and we should definitely make it easier for people to afford necessities. Just like it should be easier for people to access healthcare and social services. But in terms of action, should we wait until we change laws/regulations/social norms to allow the behavior change to follow? Or do we allow/excuse the behavior first, even if some of those behaviors are prohibited? On the one hand, some people legitimately need support NOW, and can't afford to wait for the law to catch up with behaviors we consider morally just but still legally prohibited. On the other hand, we all agree that laws are necessary, and it can be a slippery slope to say- follow these laws, but for now you don't have to follow these other ones. It's hard to build empathy and flexibility into the law, when we can't even consistently demonstrate empathy and flexibility as individuals. Super interesting topic but no clue what the solution is.

[@Niamhnyx]

You also have to take into consideration that hygiene goods generally last longer and are less likely to spoil before it's used up and are also generally the ones with higher profit margins as well as being small in size so it's easier to hide it. There are so many factors to everything, it's impossible to fully encapsulate theft as a whole.

[@nataliatc1]

How many of them are?

[@ania5038]

If there is no adherence to law and order then society becomes broken and toxic.

[@AlearaJL]

"The Good Place" tackled the trolley (and other philosophy & ethics scenarios) in Season 2, Episode 6.

[@Missmiserie]

Thought of this too

[@samwebster485]

The whole series is filled with moral quandaries and ethical debates ! It would be right up Simply’s street 🤓

[@Missmiserie]

Official ask for simply to watch the good place I think Ben might even like it

[@katya3805]

@@Missmiserie I´ve been saying this for so long

[@mygirl737g2]

one of my favs

[@JustACitrus]

Remember: if you see someone stealing food or baby formula, no you didn't. (You don't need to play hero when someone is just trying to survive).

[@nichv857]

What if they're stealing it to sell at a high price?

[@marijmarie]

Thats what corporations do all the time 😂 So it makes no difference, to me, whether its a person or a business.

[@nichv857]

@@marijmarie Corporations buy the product before selling it, not steal it. But I def get what you're saying!

[@JustACitrus]

@@nichv857 QAnon is calling, they want their conspiracy back. 😂

[@nichv857]

@@JustACitrus I see people post stuff on FB all the time for high prices. Just like the guy who had the formula for a medicine but he sold it at such a high price to profit. Greed isn't a conspiracy theory.

[@bladepanthera]

I once really offended someone when I answered honestly to the theoretical scenario of jumping in front of a vehicle to save someone. Sure, in an ideal world I'd sacrifice myself for another but in reality... It would be tragic for the victim but wouldn't my death also be tragic? I get one life, I want to live it.

[@stardoll1995]

For one person I don't know idk if I'd give my life but I would DEFINITELY consider it if for example 50 people were dependent on me to save them I'd like to believe I'd risk it

[@knittiotsavant]

Self-preservation is completely evolutionary.

[@zane1567]

They just gonna have to stay offended! That’s completely valid

[@crisiscat]

Cristine always thinks of these scenarios ending up in court, but I've seen a point raised some time ago that if you think of incidents ending in that way, then some morals are already broken to get there.

[@thenopedetective]

Laws and ethics do not always align! Which is part of the fun.

[@GretaGlass]

As a painter, as someone who is obssesed with Art, I COMPLETELY agree with you, Cristine, regarding the Monalisa and every other painting in existence, including my own.

[@lizalove91]

I can see why she wants to do this episode because Cristine loves overthinking everything 😂 But I love y’all’s analytic brains and sociology background it’s so interesting.

[@martianpudding9522]

I think the mona lisa example is interesting because I think most people would pretty easily agree to save the people, but in a real life setting where people have a choice between allocating money to big museums like the louvre or giving aide to people who need it, it seems to be a different story

[@eliza1780]

Heres one- would you pull the lever if it destroyed all the tea in the world, but if you didn't it would destroy all the oats is the world?

[@VioletE420]

Tea is infinitely superior. Oats are great in the morning, but you can enjoy multiple cups of tea throughout the day.

[@lynnevetter]

oooo asking the real questions here.

[@louisonbodin8194]

I really love tea but tea use much more water ressources to produce, has to be imported and won't feed you ( except with joy of course ) I dont like oatmilk but I have to pick oat

[@laurenlambie5213]

tea>>>>oats

[@sleepybear2558]

I’d pick yea over oats

[@mariaoyelere2003]

Second year law student (NZ) here 👋🏾. In regards to law around negligence (mentioned as recklessness) being discussed at 10:13 while it’s true that you can be prosecuted for doing ‘nothing’ you have to have a relationship with the victim that constitutes as a duty. E.g. duty as a parent or duty as a caregiver to an disabled/elderly person (these are the two main ones) so doing nothing would not result in a criminal liability in the case discussed in the first scenario. It could be argued but it would absolutely gain no ground especially given the difficult situation presented. Edit: also just to add, what Ben said about requiring good samaritan behaviours from people is actually pretty on point with what we discuss in law school regarding negligence laws. It could become a very sticky situation in law if we freely prosecuted people for doing 'nothing' or required people to be a good samaritan by law. Another reason is mens rea (intent) is hard to determine from negligence or doing nothing e.g. just because I watched someone die and didn't do anything doesn't mean I wanted them to die, and it would be practically impossible to prove I had that intent in court. The legal system just has to rely on the fact that there would be awesome people around (such as you!) who would act if they saw someone in danger/harm.

[@stardoll1995]

I'd say depends on the country too IN MY COUNTRY for example if you're a healthcare professional/police/military and you see a situation happening that your duty in your job would allow you to help and you still choose to do nothing and the person dies you WILL 100% be prosecuted cause you have the knowledge, the ability and you swore to help them before you began your job so even off duty if you do nothing you will ve charged.

[@mariaoyelere2003]

@@stardoll1995 Yep I know laws obviously vary between country, thats why I put New Zealand in brackets. However what I said still stands as a healthcare professional does have a duty to their patient while they are on duty/performing your job. I'm not sure about the specific duty for police/military but there should be one. I also struggle to believe that in whatever country you are in a medical professional, police member or military member would be prosecuted for not helping someone while they are off duty e.g. are you saying that if a medical professional was going about their daily lives and saw someone having a heart attack and did nothing they would be prosecuted in your country?

[@sideways5153]

Yeah I think it’s an incredibly bad idea to make doing nothing any kind of crime outside of well defined circumstances like “you can’t ignore a problem that will eventually get your employees killed/horrifically maimed”. The “oh no he can’t hear us, he has AirPods in” meme shouldn’t be a real-life problem with the legal system

[@crystalising]

In Germany there is something called "unterlassene Hilfeleistung" which loosely translates to "denial of assistance" and it means you can be held liable if you don't help someone in danger (even if it's a stranger) except for if it meant putting yourself in danger. So for example if I saw someone drown, I'd have to call a lifeguard but I wouldn't have to put my own life at risk. Or if you see someone lie on the ground beaten up or having a seizure or whatever you cannot just walk past them and not call an ambulance (except of course if someone else already helps/called someone). And you don't have to know them or be a medical professional. It's just expected that you do what you can in your power and not just walk by/ignore it.

[@cristinabaeza5163]

as a former high school debate kid, a current uni student in polisci and sociology, and an interested stats lover, this podcast was MADE FOR ME. thank you cristine and ben 🥰

[@Sam1D28]

Hey! I study international relations, political (and cultural) history, and sociology!

[@laureind.7760]

Omg I’m a former hs debate kid (Lincoln-Douglas debate), a current sophomore double majoring in polisci and sociology and loving my stats class rn 😅😭🫶 are we bestiess?

[@WhitneyKoerner]

Im also a former debate kid and in my masters program for criminology and criminal justice… this was also made for me 😅

[@WhitneyKoerner]

@@laureind.7760it ruined us a little, no? 😂 jkjk I loved it

[@marto0o97]

Oooh the shoplifting conversation was interesting. Something I just read this past week was the LA Times doing an investigation in all the claims on the rise of looting in last years - the journalist concluded that companies are VASTLY exaggerating after the BLM protests, and there's been no increase in shoplifting at all recently. Also, let's not forget that the #1 form of theft in society is from these same companies taking advantage of, underpaying, and skirting laws to the detriment of their employees. Ben's right - in a functioning society where the poorest are protected from starvation and picking yourself up by the bootstraps is a viable way to survive shoplifting would be cheating the system and should be shunned, but I've rarely heard of someone shoplifting for fun. Opens a good discussion about these things, morally especially 😁

[@norikadolmy7274]

To be fair there are many examples of people doing things like rushing into a burning building to save people and they end up sying themselves in the process but have saved many other people. There are definitely people who would sacrifice themselves if they could save others

[@stardoll1995]

I mean we can just take the example of firefighters many of them are ready to risk it all to save any of us.

[@marciamarciamarcia3117]

Right, but those people don’t generally know for certain they will die in the process. I think most of those people think they will also survive.

[@anthony9792]

In regards to the shoplifting story during the first scenario... I try and look at things from a more empathetic lens and ask instead, "What did society do to them in order for them to feel like stealing is their only option?" Often, people within marginalized communities have so many different intersections of oppression that people get pushed to do things they wouldn't do had they the same opportunities as their privileged counterparts. Just food for thought.

[@thepolishreader7430]

In regards to the shoplifting if it's essentials like bread, baby formula etc I would never intervene cuz I don't know if they do it because they want to have to

[@Ichigo_Hime]

Law student here. In the US, in most states a bystander cannot be held liable for not helping someone in danger. They can only be held liable if they started helping and then did not follow through or did not make sure someone took over in helping the person. They can be held liable however if they were the one who created the danger that harmed the person.

[@marilynmathew96]

More trolley problems please! If not only because Christine looks so happy but also because I love when y’all talk philosophy ❤

[@bladepanthera]

Ahhh yes, the next one should be viewer submitted cases. I like the tea vs oats one I saw 😂

[@teph26239]

I have a different opinion on protest. For many years I thought that it should be peaceful and should not disturb people’s routine. But, honestly, if it does not disturb, it does not have any effect. I now totally understand why the French set fire to everything 😂😂 It is like you will hear from us one way or the other I am here for that… On the other hand though, I do not agree with people destroying private property, I know that a lot of small businesses are affected by violent protests and it is unfair

[@teph26239]

About climate activists destroying art, I just think this is not effective and art is part of human history. It is kinda sad to see an old painting being destroyed for something that will not have any real impact. Of course that our future on earth is more important, but I actually do not think that destroying art has ever made any impact… am i wrong? I dont know 😅

[@georgiamunns43]

Thank you! I came to the comments to see if anyone else gets it. The whole point of protests is to be disruptive. I get that it's shit that you're late to your meeting because protestors are lying in the road but your meeting really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the planet becoming inhabitable! And to Ben's point about it not working to make people think more positively about their cause, I'm pretty sure they're not doing it to try to win the average person over- they want the people in power to take notice. Disruption is used when all other non-disruptive methods are not working! Ok I'm off my soapbox 😅

[@iScreamSays]

If a lobster is in anyway sentient I imagine it's a fairly horrifying existence

[@attentivesyria]

To Ben’s point. Every day that you are not using your money to help someone live you are choosing the money.

[@billyjean3118]

I remember this example from Catholicism class in Poland (religious indoctrination in middle school class), we all said to save five people, priest said do nothing because you will be a killer and five lives are not worth more than one and don’t interfere with gods plan. Christianity in a nutshell 😂

[@crunchyoats1862]

The more I hear about this God guy and his plan, the more he seems like not a very nice guy

[@sethbrand9009]

The logic with “don’t interfere with gods plan” never makes sense to me. If I pull the lever and save 5 people, then they would say that “gods plan” all along. Just a catch-all term at that point.

[@hilaryisabeast]

I had the same experience in my Catholic school!

[@nataliatc1]

Maybe but more like your priest in a nutshell.

[@billyjean3118]

@@nataliatc1 no, religion in a nutshell, more specifically Christianity, as you can clearly see there was nothing unique about his statement. Religion is a pest.

[@DarekBarquero]

YES please, do more of these! I love the conversation and the internal conversation it inspires in me.

[@audreysayer9115]

*Pull the lever Kronk!*

[@immabeaunicorn]

I think the idea of taking action is a really interesting point of view to consider. In my opinion, if you don't pull the lever and try to remove yourself from the situation by not taking any action, you're still deciding who the trolley runs over. If you are aware that the trolley is going to run over either sets of people, you are inherently making a decision over who lives vs. who doesn't.

[@exploringplacesyoutube]

Yes, this was my thought as well. Inaction is actually a form of action in these scenarios.

[@knittiotsavant]

It may be different in Canada, but in the US you cannot be charged if you don’t take action to stop something bad from happening to someone else. The only exceptions to that are to specific professions, like doctors, first responders, etc., who have a higher standard of performance in those scenarios.

[@its_clean]

First of all, absolutely yes I want more trolley problem episodes. Secondly, I think the Mona Lisa question isn't even about culturally significant artifacts or totems, it's ultimately about ideas. Are some ideas worth more than a human life? It's the same with the Secret Service protecting the President. It's not about protecting a single person, it's about protecting the idea of the Presidency, and the concept of our form of government. We always say "the Presidency is about more than just one man/woman", and when we dedicate so many resources to protect them, what were really protecting is the idea that there can be a President that leads our system of government. Is that idea worth more to protect, than spending the same resources that could protect or benefit many other lives? In my opinion, yes, some ideas can be worth more than a human life. I generally oppose the death penalty and deterrence-based punishment, and believe in harm reduction and rehabilitation. But for things like capital murder (serial killers, contract killing, etc) and treason, I can understand why those crimes are so harmful to the fabric of society itself that an extreme capital punishment may be justified. We punish those perpetrators not for their offense against a person, but for offenses against the very social contract our community is based upon. Ultimately it is all about your own values. But I think it's an oversimplification to say "no THING can ever be worth more than an actual PERSON".

[@lilymulligan8180]

If you do nothing, the trolley hits 5 strangers. If you pull the lever, the trolley hits 1 person you know. Does your answer change based on who the person is? What if it's your best friend? Your child? Your worst enemy? Your crappy boss?

[@mindys1198]

It definitely changes.... I'm saving my child over anyting

[@Rita_Arya]

Exactly, this was the first thought that came to my mind when i first heard about the trolley problem

[@nataliatc1]

Yes for me it changes. Strangers, I save five. People I care about, I save no matter how many, It doesn't matter if it's 1vs 50. If its someone i don't like, the answer would be the same as if they were strangers, It would only matter the number of people. And if it's like a drug chief criminal, kill them anytime even against something non-human.

[@ajisagoodname]

I'd love to see a part 2

[@xChristmas1]

I think an interesting caveat of the trolley problem (at least as it's presented here) is that there's no indication in the prompt if people are answering from the utilitarian "objective" perspective or answering from a more honest "what would I actually do" perspective. Like particularly with the trolley problem where the answerer is on the diverted track, I was like obviously saving five people at the cost of my own life is a noble and the more "objectively" correct answer given how many lives are at stake, but if I'm being realistic.....I would freeze up and not do it 😂 And I don't think I could fault anyone else for choosing the same answer

[@ky-ng6tr]

I did surprisingly enjoy this even though I may have disagreed with a few points. Mostly the one with the lobsters. 😂😅 I recently read that lobsters and crabs DO experience pain and studies have shown that they have the capacity to remember locations where they have been hurt, so they tend to avoid areas in their environment. Another fun little tidbit is that lobsters are virtually immortal and live for hundreds of years if left unaffected so you could argue that they have a longer lasting impact on their environment than a cat via their lifespan. Nothing against cats! Just advocating for the lobster lmao.

[@unhealthyhomeostasis]

My first reaction to the lobster one was to want to know if they are a rare shade/version or female. I've watched too much of the lobster guy on TikTok.

[@fionaxiong9703]

I've been a quiet viewer (listener?) these past few years, and I would love to see more trolley problem episodes! I love listening to discussions about hypotheticals because it's quite interesting to see other people's thought processes when confronted with these issues. (also mostly harmless, since they're just thought experiments)

[@caylarivera2804]

About the whole intervention during crimes at like stores and such. In service industry jobs we are mostly all trained as employees to de-escalate situations by giving robbers or thiefs what they want, letting them go and then calling the authorities afterwards for the safety of everyone in the store. If it's like a violent assault you could save someone from tho, I think morally the right thing to do is to intervene. If it's a nonviolent crime, no need to escalate.

[@PosingInVintage1]

TIL lobsters live at the bottom of lakes and they are like fish of the sea 😂. Also Ben, chickens are very intelligent. They can recall and learn from past events, dream, empathize with others, and even do math.

[@mara9322]

What I think is interesting about the savings/money is that realistically I think a lot of people with money passively let those people die in order to keep it. You could donate your savings but a lot of people put their own needs (even if they’re not basic) above those of others. It seems only logical yet cruel to me. Often it feels like there is “so much need for money/help” that your impact may be ever so small to consider it’s not worth it. But in practice, any money can help others in need.

[@tristanbaker6928]

This is gonna be the best episode to date

[@jessfx.cosplay]

With the lobster I'm not saying it's right or wrong but the reason is because as soon as you kill shellfish toxic bacteria sets in immediately which is why they are boiled alive to stop the bacteria.

[@katyanderson1783]

As someone who loves philosophy- I’m gonna stay up to listen to this

[@shamsarp]

Hey police officer Ben, in an ideal society, I'd hope wealth was distributed in such a way that people didn't feel the need to shoplift. Unforch, that's not how things are going.

[@crunchyoats1862]

I work in a grocery store and walmart started closing earlier because of shoplifting, then all the shoplifters started coming to our store so we had no choice but to start closing earlier. groups of people were walking into our store grabbing anything they could find and walking out, leaving behind or destroying whatever they didn't actually want in the parking lot afterwards. crazy that this is happening in canada

[@TheodoraP.]

I remember seeing this exact experiment on a KZbin channel. A lot of the contestants said that yes, I would save the 5 people, but when the time came, they did nothing (mind you, out of shock and disbelief). Very few had the guts to pull that lever down, and I specifically remember the staff congratulating a young woman for her fierce and immediate response.

[@arktikfox.]

yeah, my answers would definitely depend on how much time i have to think

[@DooBeeDooBeeDoBah]

It was a Mind Field episode - by Michael from vsauce ! Love it

[@oliviademarest1755]

I forget that the two of you were crime statistics professionals. That specific lens made this topic much more interesting than any other discussions I've listened to about the trolley problem.

[@lineyloveslacquer]

In that first one, if it was saving or not saving someone maybe you’d be in trouble for doing nothing, but since either decision would be killing someone, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t be? Like couldn’t you just not pull the lever and call emergency services and that would count as trying to help?

[@Pulled-Pork]

Good point. They don't give these options, but who's to say that can't be one? I'd leave it to unfold the way it's supposed to and walk away to be honest about it. Yes, i'm selfish for saying that, but I'm fine with that. Human drive for survival is natural and if it's none of my business, why get involved? It does irritate me how people seem to thinik they're better than me, because they opted to save a life, whenever I take that stance on the trolley problem. Not sure if people realise that they put themselves before everything else on this earth in order to have a self-fullfilling/safe life. That's worse than being selfish, because selfishness only pertains to humans and as far as I'm concerned, humans do nothing but cause destruction and peril, regardless of where they exist.

[@thenopedetective]

I wonder! In my country if you have first aid training you're required to give help, even if it may lead to a worse outcome. You are protected if you mess up somehow. But if they learn you have training and did nothing you can be charged or fined. Doing nothing or calling for help that's too far away probably falls under the least ethical option since it's only to protect your own wellbeing. (I wouldn't sacrifice myself for 50 people though, I think I have too much survival instinct to willingly do that. Maybe for a loved one, but not for 50 random people.)

[@EmmaCreatively]

My answer to these is always that it's a design problem - what engineer didn't put an emergency break on these trolleys?!?

[@Yulenka-]

If I was presented with this IRL I would honestly just run away. The person who created this situation and tied people is the monster, not me who just wants to be left alone

[@Roxas9355]

While I agree the person who setup the saw trap trolley is the villain, choosing to leave is still choosing to not pull the lever. It's still choosing inaction, the point of the problem is you can't just not choose.

[@Yulenka-]

@@Roxas9355 I do understand this point, but IRL "not choosing" and "choosing inaction" are not actually the same. I may have chosen to leave the scene but still remain indecisive about whether or not the lever should be pulled, these are separate. Maybe they are to an outside observer such as a jury or a judge, but psychologically they feel very different. Especially for someone like me who already struggles with day-to-day decision making as it is 😅

[@larissacovari]

Lobsters can live for more than 90 years, whereas cats can at the most live for 25 years. The kitty contains so much less life than 5 lobsters

[@NareKech]

Literally had a lecture about trolley problems in my ethics class yesterday. Simply pod serving as supplementary material to my course😙

[@mirandahewlett2570]

I'm taking an undergrad Ethics class for fun this semester, so the timing is PERFECT! Please do another one!!

[@Mellowmeadow536]

Loved the discussion! Please do more

[@alexandrayoung6577]

This was fun, would love more Trolley Problems!

[@alicolina]

Yes I’ve been refreshing and waiting for a new episode to satisfy my craving for your podcast

[@kimmy6304]

LOVE this hopefully new series! fingers crossed for more of these ❤

[@magaan-nails]

Loved this episode so much I came here to write this comment although I’m a listener on Spotify.. would love more trolley problem episodes in the future! 🤩

[@christinem1458]

I enjoyed this episode. Yes, pls make it a series ^_^ but only if you both want to. I'm down to listen to whatever as long as y'alls commentary is in it. Simply and Ben's commentary is always fun and interesting to listen to

[@martinj7452]

If someone stop believing in a case because someone slowed them down they didn't care about that cause in the first place. We blocked a pipeline in Montreal, did you hear about it? No. Know why? Because if you don't do something publicly no one cares. Disrupting people's daily life is literally a must if you want the news and people to talk about it. Also, no one is an activist for fun, we all have other things to do but we do it because it needs to be done. Shout out to all the activist and supporters!

[@Heenanveenan]

Problem 9: I think that the people who would save the 5 people even though they tied themselves to the tracks are maybe also people who would disagree w assisted su**cide, which is illegal here (at least in America) so I think it’s somewhat safe to assume that maybe a good portion of people here might see an intrinsic value in human life, even if you don’t want it anymore?

[@junipersbrew]

I believe in assisted side. It's for the slowly dying, not for people with s ideation. I really disagree with their take on that one and it made me cry (grief trigger). A lot of people struggle and can pull through. I think it's harmful to say that because they wanted to die, that their life is less valuable and they deserve it. It does get better.

[@panini6901]

Can we get a second episode? Rlly enjoyed this one!

[@radiatamusic]

I don't know how it is in other countries but where I live, if you are working retail, you are not too interfere directly with someone who is shoplifting. If they are carrying product out of the store without paying for it, you can follow them and let them know that their information will be submitted to the police and that you know that they are shoplifting, but you cannot make any contact with them, and you cannot follow them out of the entrance. There were actually a few people who got fired from my place of work for going outside of the store to try and see the license plate of someone who shoplifted, because our store did not have an external camera to get that information from inside. They were fired simply on the premise that they were considered to be pursuing the person who shoplifted, even though the first one just went to stand outside the entrance and get license plate info from afar, and the second co-worker was just checking to make sure he was okay. The store representative was probably standing there looking like what the fuck do I do because that is literally all they are allowed to do.

[@emacd520]

This was fun!!! Thanks guys (:

[@Gnoomie06]

One of my favourite philosophical problems as a philosophy student/teacher hehe, love this 😊

[@sternum6215]

I really really love these kinds of episodes! Please more train scenarios! I always enjoy discussing ethical hypothetical things like this, but just like Beyn, my bf hates it. So it's fun to see what both of you come up with :) Super fun watch!

[@blueskiesandredplanets6920]

I really liked this episode! Would definitely want to see more

[@RocksYourMum]

Cristine and Beyyyyn, this was an excellent episode. I love the shout out to mixed methods research, as well. Please make more of trolley problem/other philosophy content.

[@cyn7247]

“Starry night’s pretty cool.. I still wouldn’t murder” obsessed

[@SurprisedPikacheesecake]

that was fun, i'd be down for more trolly problem episodes. also, thank yooouuuu for not making the merch a limited run. i get why people end up doing it, but i end up missing out a lot.

[@emilyfoster2426]

loved this episode and would love to have more!!

[@narwhalbacon0]

Really enjoyed the conversation

[@kat_kami]

Can't wait for part 2!

[@BorisG13]

I loved this! More content like this is definitely needed.

[@sophiae.anderson4646]

Several years ago there was a case where a guy video taped a dude drowning and diid nothing to help, not even calling 911 and was charged because of it.

[@shivaanijk7501]

Beyyn's like "Oh no level 3!" 😂😂 Couldn't agree with him more lol! Every level is definitely an 'oh no'!! I'd hate being responsible to make any kind of decision that'd involve me making dumb choices that won't make any sense when I think about it later! 😵🙏

[@juanbluestack2138]

Yess to that Trolley Problems 2 episode!

[@Thegingergabi]

Would love a part 2!

[@rebeccamanojlovic7262]

Would love a part two!

[@thevirtualtraveler]

Yes, of course I want more episodes of this!

[@vitaluka]

I can’t believe you took my suggestion!!!! I’ve never clicked so fast!! So excited!!!

[@trudeee]

This was a great episode!

[@PfEMP]

Ok this was so much fun!!! 😄pls do another one!! 🙌🏾 (sorry Ben)

[@MissVampish]

I'd really like more of these episodes I think it's a good discussion.

[@kurophoenix8449]

Do more please. I'm really curious as to what you'd choose if it was 5 strangers and 1 loved one - which would you save

[@xgreydovex]

PLEASE for the love of everything Holo, watch The Lobster and do a pod episode on it. I don’t want to spoil too much, but it very much goes with this talk about consciousness and value of self vs society.

[@KreeZafi]

Love this! Trolley problem discussions are a lot of fun, I've really enjoyed watching Alex O'Connor making videos where he very seriously analyses some rather absurd examples and makes genuine philosophical arguments around them, I'd highly recommend checking that out.

[@85mony]

I have "The good place" vibes :)

[@blueberrybop]

Please do more of these :)

[@arielpotts3354]

"FUCK HER UP, Bye Mona!" lmfao, absolutely hilarious

[@Happyx2Joyx2]

Oooo! Can't wait for my next paycheck to get the sweaters and Down to Earth Bundle *Then the Saf Collab!

[@ceciliatapioca]

Awesome episode, honestly!! Would watch all 1 - 10. For the Mona Lisa one, the only argument I can think for not pulling the lever would be that that particular art piece will transcend the lives of those five people. Still don’t think is enough of an argument to let people die over an inanimate object but it’s the only justification I can think of.

[@JennaGetsCreative]

Yes, more of these!

[@susanselko-millman4889]

Think back a few years...Why are the people that took their phones out and DIDN'T intervene while the victim dies didn't get charged for not doing anything?

[@swatisahay7150]

I love the way menchie sploots in the first scene

[@breespahr]

pleeeeeeease do a part 2!!!

[@brianaomundson]

I love these, so much

[@christinem1458]

eeee i love the new merch design! i can't decide what colours i want 😅

[@gabriellelapointe413]

Please!!! Part 2 🎉🎉🎉

[@dayzyrules1]

Did you know lobsters can live to be over 100 years old (certain species that is)😊

[@HellaVolta]

YES, give me part 2 Cristine !!

[@surbhi968]

This was an interesting episode. Would definitely love seeing more! I think I would also consider whether the 5 people (vs 1 person) are all one family or not. It sounds morbid but that will be less overall pain if all people dying belong to one family, instead of a single person dying.

[@jjvaughn1873]

Absolutely keep doing these

[@ashleyquam]

BEST EPISODE EVER 😂

[@mary_catherine2554]

I love these! Please do more. An added thought on the lobsters, wouldn't they die without water anyway?