Runescape's creator made a new game after 20 years

[@J1mmy]

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[@TonalDesigns]

He tweeted about taking weekends off an hour and a half before this uploaded, beautiful.

[@varogoth]

He isn't cooking...

[@kenny4427]

at times you sound like you are actually giving critical feedback but other times you are straight up being biased or hating on the systems personally, rather than objectively. ....

[@internetoldie]

@@kenny4427 almost like it's his youtube channel and he can do what he wants?

[@noobamonggods2556]

About the "wondering if you are weaker" I noticed this as well. Apparently weapons have like an element with it and the enemies are weak to those elements. So you HAVE to switch weapons constantly depending on what enemy you are fighting. So yeah. I guess you can say you are weaker based off of what mob you fight

[@TallMoose]

if runescape 2 is so good why isnt there a runescape 2 2

[@musicmanxii]

Checkmate, atheists.

[@21stcenturyrambo16]

OSOSRS

[@JadedOriana]

runescape was so good they made a runescape 3, then it was so good/bad that they made a runescape 2.2

[@daniloalves1139]

isnt that osrs

[@Riyoshi000]

@@21stcenturyrambo16that’s RuneScape 2.5

[@marcushall1121]

Everyone is complementing Gower and Co for the quick updates in response to feedback, but I want to complement you on editing and voicing those updates in the video. You didn't slap text blobs everywhere or cram all the changes in the end. You took the time to go back through a script you already wrote, voiced, and edited to keep the information as relevant as possible and it is fantastic work. 10/10 thank you.

[@J1mmy]

This morning he hinted acknowledgement of my tweet at him to take a weekend off, and he said he’s taking off by working on the leaderboards which is ANOTHER thing in here I mentioned. He is a madman, and I can’t wait to see what awesome stuff they do with this game.

[@turndown4butts]

second this - the video was super informative but the production and effort that must've gone into this.. is awesome! well done sir! you've earned this sub! Might have to give this one a try?

[@iamnotjcook]

I'm acknowledging you for acknowledging J1MMY for acknowledging the updates that have been made

[@antoninolandolina8174]

@@J1mmy To be honest, this video is pretty scathing for the game. I doesn't really sound like you're excited for the stuff they'll do with it.

[@jeremys1213]

fyi, it's compliment for being nice and complement for completing.

[@iHoardOre]

all i heard was that Andrew is a competent person who tries to fix the issues that people see with his game. sounds like someone who wants to make something truly special. I hope he can achieve his vision and fix the QOL things people complain about.

[@Tolseren]

fixed a lot already!!

[@Sephiroso.]

I just wanna know who they got to playtest this game and thought it was ready for EA release. Cause it wasn't.

[@Tolseren]

@@Sephiroso. i mean for me it wasnt that bad, but i get people that didn't think the same

[@euphoricnostalgia8834]

and also that he doesnt cave into players who want everything easier or convenient.. just like alot of the newer osrs player base.

[@hushpuppi3]

@@Tolseren The game drew all sorts of audiences from runescape. Some enjoy the extremely relaxed skilling (even the combat just feels like skilling) but a lot of people found nothing of value in the game. The QoL changes are far and away very good to see, but if the core game itself has no appeal for people (such as myself) there is almost no chance I'll ever give it another shot. It would need an extreme design decision change personally.

[@c4ke_rs]

The only thing that really stops me from grinding the skills is that it just never changes. There are no cool bonuses to look forward to. Maybe like double catch a fish, dont use up a node, send one to your bank at a chance, or something cool like that. Nope, you can enchant your tool for 0.4% more xp. Like cmon, it has so much potential to add cool shit. I want to proc a shitton of effects when skilling.

[@wendigo_mommy]

this

[@shawnritchie6666]

play leagues

[@ricoooooooo]

If you grinded you would see how it changes the xp per catch goes up like crazy and silver per catch goes up too

[@wendigo_mommy]

@@shawnritchie6666 LEAGUE OF LEGEND

[@GnomeAndHalflingEnjoyer]

33:10 So the really funny part here, is that a decade or so ago, a game called "Cube World" was a small indie game with a ton of hype that has since fallen off the face of the earth, because they had a similar system. You'd level up in one big area of the map, you'd get all your gear and the interesting nodes w/e Then when you went to the next area, ALL of your gear was basically item level 0 and you had to get all new stuff. Everyone, literally everyone, hated it. It's a bad idea, I don't know how Gower didn't hear about this and realize that, while some professions being region locked is fine, combat has no excuse to be reset between episodes.

[@Joepapa1]

have you ever played world of warcraft? this is how it works every 3-4months.

[@quintonmaldonado8368]

You use every skill contiuously throughout the game even in different regions in one way or another. There is only the illusion that you are doing something different in another mmo. It's more abrupt in this game so you "feel" like something different is happening. Go to a higher level zone in most other mmos and you gear has the same effect on higher level mobs and will be replaced in hours. This has been debunked almost daily since release.

[@bone-a-lisa]

Once Jimmy mentioned region locked combat, that is the first thing that popped into my head lol. Personally I didn't hate the mechanic in Cube World, but it was such a disastrously hated mechanic I cannot believe someone else implemented it lol. Its not going to go well lol

[@GnomeAndHalflingEnjoyer]

@@quintonmaldonado8368 Who cares, perception is everything and telling people "You're looking at it wrong" doesn't change how they feel about a subjective piece of media.

[@aMasterPole]

​@@Joepapa1 what?

[@jessenadsady7656]

16:30 "A grown adult playing hide and seek..." -> Hey guys be sure to check out J1mmy's videos where he plays prop hunt in OSRS. A bunch of adults playing hide and seek.

[@J1mmy]

so the thumbnails of prop hunt i put behind me while saying that worked… easiest advertising of my life

[@limehawk4989]

Hook line and sinker

[@Harfarino]

I remember the Gower brothers talking about making RuneScape cap at 99 and making it 13m xp because at the time they thought it was impossible for players to reach… so with that knowledge in mind I reckon they said fuck it 2b xp to get max level

[@odog2100]

lol my thoughts exactly hearing the 500 lvl cap

[@FailuresWithJade]

I know they said this, but it just seems wrong. On day 1 of Runescape, you needed 88 smithing to make full adamant armor: no shops sold full addy until dragon slayer was released. When rune gear came out, you needed !!99!! smithing to smith the coveted rune 2h, the bis weapon until members was released, unobtainable by other means. All of the weapons and armor was ludicrously grindy to get in the beginning of the game. Day 1 there was no banking. When law runes were eventually added, they were an uncommon drop from at the time relatively high level mobs. No running. The only furnace was in lumbridge, and the only anvil was in varrock. Your mines were edgeville dungeon, the chasm (which could only be entered from the north, no al karid gate), varock east mine, and varrock west mine. And of course smithing was ludicrously click intensive.

[@fruitcupproductions]

Thanks for sharing this

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

@@FailuresWithJade It made sense to give players a mythical bis weapon few would ever have and putting it so high up the skill made sense for those player goals but after new gear powercrept rune gear the smithing skill became useless. They should have done away with the cap, flattened the exponential exp requirements and let players smith better gear by going beyond level 99 to keep that long term goal existing.

[@Spiker985Studios]

Alright, everyone can get to Max Int You're welcome

[@Gondorf5]

I think J1mmy makes a good point at about 26:00. Gamers commonly critisize AAA development companies these days for sticking so much to "tried and true" elements that those titles are boring and repetitive. We don't necessarily need to like Brighter Shores as a game or core mechanics within it, it would probably do us good as a community to recognize developers that are actively trying new things. We should try to recognize the risk in some way. I don't think that needs to look like purchasing games we don't like or anything like that; I honestly don't know what the best way to do that is. Maybe it's giving honest critiques and pointing out elements that are new and that--to a certain degree--that is refreshing.

[@loganrogers4560]

I'm just playing it because OSRS went woke. I truly hope it gets better.

[@omiadera]

​@@loganrogers4560 oh no, there are pronouns and colors in my game that ive played for 10-10000 hours?!?!? better to uninstall the whole game!!

[@Rigger_Please]

@@omiadera People are free to stop playing/supporting things if they do not like how it has changed (or not changed) over time. But instead of doing that, you would rather they continue to play it and "spread hate" in game? If there is any logic in your line of thinking, I do not understand it.

[@derigel7662]

​@@omiaderaimagine supporting bigots

[@anonopossum]

​@@loganrogers4560okay snowflake

[@SmilePecoSmile]

I was going to try this game but the Cube World zone resets immediately made me turn 360 degrees and walk away.

[@JustxLiving909]

(180-degrees)360 you will be going in the same direction sir

[@ModestestRUST]

@@JustxLiving909it’s obvious that it’s a moonwalk

[@SmilePecoSmile]

@@JustxLiving909 old internet joke

[@oatjuice5921]

​@@SmilePecoSmileyadda yadda xbox yadda yadda 360

[@dclikemtndew]

I think my main issue with Brighter Shores is that it just seems like a soulless grindfest. Sure, runescape is a grindfest but it has a world built around it that is interesting and fun, there's a level of excitement that comes with unlocking a new thing and getting to go do it. This just feels like a very stripped down runescape. You don't need scenery, you don't need a meaningful world, here just go to your skilling corner and skill, you don't even have to think because all of the skilling activities level up with you.

[@tulip5210]

I mean that is bc it isn't a finished game, they haven't added all the quests and aspects of the game yet so it's kinda set grinding rn so people have something to do while they work on it.

[@MattiasCL]

35:00 when RS Classic released the highest level monster was the black knight. That's where we are in the lifetime of this game. The why is probably going to come, let the Gowerman cook.

[@jeffery1harris941]

Great point

[@Schmidddty]

this is 2024 chief not 2000

[@willoux_]

​@@Schmidddtythis is pre alpha chief not full release

[@SupaFly-gx1zo]

kk, so don't touch it for 10 years. got it

[@Orowam]

@@SupaFly-gx1zo if you don't want to play bare bones shells that are being fleshed out in real time, don't play early access games lol. These aren't new. You should know by now if you like the early access experience.

[@Zwaluu]

The gear resetting thing is something that was also tried in Cubeworld, it was also hated there and it never recovered. It mostly seems to be a stopgap for increasing how long it takes to get through the game, without any depth.

[@Sephiroso.]

They then made it harder for when your combat skill was way higher than what you were fighting lol.

[@sbef]

oh, they used ONE mechanic from a game that failed! this game is doomed as well! you realise how silly this sounds, right?

[@aMondayMorning]

Cubeworld failed because the devs took an 8 year long hiatus from the game right as it exploded in popularity, what the actual fuck are idiots like you talking about?

[@LiveTwinReaction]

@@sbef I mean.. it was one of the main reasons that the game sucked ass. So I think it's a pretty relevant criticism to bring up. People still play the alpha version of cubeworld today because it doesn't have the gear reset mechanic across regions, which just feels bad.

[@johnbiff2664]

I get people don't like it for the combat in particular, but I think it's still a necessary part of the overall goal of the profession system, which is to keep all content relevant and to curb powercreep for the entire future of the game. I think people will be less turned off by it once they actually flesh out the combat system to be more interesting and satisfying, and once we at least have armor crafting to round out our ability to meta scale the combat professions. It's not actually even a full reset as-is and going forward because the gear crafting professions exist to meta scale your ability to easily gear yourself, potionmaking exists to meta scale your xp gain, healing and damage output, moneymaking professions exist to let you build up a bank to invest into future skills, and any number of future professions could deliver new ways to add to these scaling aspects.

[@Yoshlstory]

Here before this entire video is outdated and J1m sounds like a psychopath

[@liamking7923]

the dev response to feedback has been awesome so far. I hope all these negatives get outdated soon enough

[@Hoontor]

it's a lovely documentary of the patch notes.

[@Tolseren]

camera thing already fixed lmao

[@littlered6340]

​@@Hoontor😂 underrated comment

[@gyomen]

are we actually surprised that the creators of perhaps our generations biggest time sink has developed a new game that is another time sink

[@danschultz999]

No, and that's what makes it so pathetic. It's such an obvious gimmick, throwback, low hanging fruit cash grab. It makes the Gower's seem washed up, pathetic, completely out of touch with reality and the modern consumer

[@josephmeholick1300]

they aren't even hiding it.

[@chrislee5268]

We're surprised that they apparently forgot what made their original time sink good.

[@tulip5210]

​@danschultz999 yall, this is an ALPHA, not a complete game. They are likely going to add more quests and aspects to the game, runescape when it first came out was just an online paper rpg with no gameplay. Then they slowly built it into what it is today.

[@danschultz999]

@@tulip5210 Low hanging fruit easy cop out. Yawn... CASE CLOSED. 🔨

[@ThrobbGoblin]

Here's an idea- Maybe don't piledrive "From one of the original creators of RuneScape" into every since piece of marketing if you don't want to have your game compared to RuneScape. :) Good grief, it's the same mentality of Obsidian. >"From the ORIGINAL creators of FALLOUT!" >"We're not trying to make Fallout- you're not allowed to compare our new first-person-open-world-RPG-shooter to that! 😭"

[@KylarStern244]

Oh my gosh. This. THIS. YES!

[@sagganuts18]

iono, at the same time, people want to know that the developer will at least be competent. This game wouldn't get nearly as much hype if that wasn't broadcasted. Gower's been very transparent about what kind of game this is and the experience you'll get. There are plenty of gameplay demos. At some point, players need to manage expectation

[@katiescape]

lmao the way andrew gower is updating stuff quicker than you can get the video out is amazing. Loving this lil cosy game.

[@ResRes321]

Crazy to see, he’s never changed. Even in the rs classic days Andrew was constantly pushing out patches during the initial launch.

[@samplautz5586]

I was actually surprised today when I logged on and saw that there wasn’t an update today. I’ve just come to expect it everyday that it’s weird when it doesn’t happen

[@ivantammaro]

@@samplautz5586he actually tweeted that he is working on leaderboards

[@DjEphixa]

I've never seen a game update this quickly. Enjoying brighter shores a lot.

[@vicioustheberserker]

Bro this game sucks lol all they had to do was make RuneScape again L

[@piratesbootay]

The Hummus interaction at the end is a perfect example an MMO moment and part of why I've been socializing in MMOs for 2 decades. Perfect.

[@wdf70]

The 100 hours you spend mindlessly grinding out a proffession to get your BiS weapon. Easily forgotten when one completes it, or the BiS becomes obsolete by the never ending gear treadmill. But you will ALWAYS remember that time you got trolled by Hummus.

[@N3TH3RKOALA]

Bit of an out of the blue comparison, but the region-locked combat level reminds me a lot of full-release Cube World and the biggest issue I and most people had with that game that really disappointed us: Being that all gear and traversal upgrades were region-locked. Go over that hill over there? oops, your para-glider no longer exists and you now hit like a wet noodle. Come back over the hill? everything is back and you aren't just sneezing in the enemies' general direction as your main attack. This system genuinely feels terrible to interact with and made me quit the game shortly after leaving my first region. I'm not saying developers should never de-power their players, there's often many narrative and gameplay reasons to do so that create a uniquely memorable experience, but it is a very narrow tightrope to walk. From my perspective, the more frequently you do it, and the longer it lasts, the sourer it tastes for players. I've not played Brighter Shores and probably won't, but just as an outsider looking, Andrew Gower is very far off that tightrope.

[@tomc.5704]

Those were some...very generous percentages. "There's no PVP, there's no raids, no bossing, the classes don't do anything, the fights are RNG, the equipment doesn't feel like it does anything - 53%" Oh, wait. You're an OSRS player, the scaling out of 100 isn't linear.

[@Clawdragoons]

Honestly this cracked me up. Thanks, needed a good laugh.

[@thedarter]

Jokes aside, I feel like most scores worth paying attention to are non-linear. Improving a 9/10 game into a 10/10 game is exponentially harder than going from 8 to 9, which is exponentially harder than going from 7 to 8, and so on. Honestly it's probably why so many games land between 60-80% on most game review websites despite being so vastly different in terms of quality; it's hard to go below 50 or above 85. Having even just one significant redeeming quality already puts a game at a 3/10, and one noticeable flaw is often enough to disqualify a game from the 9-10 range.

[@rossstewart9475]

@@thedarter I like your thinking - it's adjacent to the pareto principle (aka 80/20 rule) at the top end, but the reason most games get between 60-80% is because the scale for most reviewers who want to still get invited to review games only really runs from 50-95%.

[@TheAsj97]

@@thedarter No, the reason review websites give inconsistent scores to games is because some pay them and some don't.

[@thedarter]

@@rossstewart9475 I'd argue that the ratings they'd give if they were unbiased would rarely differ all that wildly from their actual scores. Say what you will about the integrity of game journalism, I can at least believe that the reviewer's experience of a AAA game would sit between 50 and 90. When you have to play game after game, day in and day out, quickly, as your job, I could imagine that your perception gets warped, and you unintentionally give bonus points to a game for simply not being painful to review within the time you're given, and unintentionally dock points from creative indie games for expecting more out of you than you can afford to give without turning in your review late. Professional game reviewing was flawed from the start. Objectifying art with scales and checklists inherently misses the point, and I don't even think it's the fault of the reviewers.

[@Asylumrunner8]

As someone who plays a lot of MMOs but not a lot of Runescape, the disclaimer of "oh hey this isn't Runescape don't go into this expecting Runescape" is extremely funny to me, because, like, this is Runescape. There is no other MMO that looks like this, other than Runescape. This thing is absolutely chockablock with a bunch of mechanics, concepts, and general -isms that are totally foreign to every other MMO other than Runescape. As someone not overly familiar with Runescape, if you showed me footage of this without context I 100% would have gone "wow Runescape looks good nowadays"

[@Luv_sicc]

J1mmy should collab with J1mbo, would be the wildest crossover of all time

[@phonyname5307]

I hear they got mad beef

[@AirSnipers96]

If they were both on screen I feel like the universe may rupture.

[@TJEversII]

Unironically a great idea

[@Old299dfk]

And Theo Von

[@HailNihilism]

I thought they are the same guy?

[@gabrieldecian1182]

What turned me off was the GUI, it reminds me too much of a mobile game, and I really dislike mobile interfaces

[@ValakDhur]

Fisher price aaah menus

[@Sephiroso.]

The fact that there were no hotkeys until a later patch is insane to me as well. Who releases a pc only mmo with no hotkeys???

[@Yes-sw8gh]

@@Sephiroso. Its point and click. Not a "MMO" at all, either.

[@Sephiroso.]

@@Yes-sw8gh Gee maybe you wanna tell that to ANDREW GOWER, the guy that made the game and says it's an mmo.

[@nerdguyman]

It's an MMO, there aren't many things to do with each other yet.

[@wscheets1600]

the editing decision to throw the prop hunt videos up in corner as you talked about hide and seek as an adult.... lololol

[@AlienFoodage]

I got 93% 'explorer' in the Bartle test but I also agreed to vanquish everyone else or something so I dunno

[@PointNubProductions]

Love your channel man. Long live the snapdragon

[@elliottcarruthers5462]

Congrats! You've unlocked the Columbus player model!

[@Sabagastache]

Interestingly, Bartle was actually writing about MUDs originally. Predating MMOs. He also further developed his player types into more categories based on implicit/explicit types: -Planner/Opportunist -Scientist/Hacker -Networker/Friend -Politician/Griefer You may also want to consider a MDA framework for analysis as well (Mechanics, Dynamics, and Aesthetics).

[@troglodyte-kc2sl]

tbf basically all MMOs, even today, are basically MUDs with a graphical display. a lot of the older ones (like WoW or EVE), it can become real obvious that the graphics are meaningless and you're really playing a MUD that doesn't have a console.

[@Sobo272]

How was killer above like 20? There's no co-op PvE, no non-quest bosses, the gear progression is broken, the auto attack issue, no PvP, no active abilities.

[@ChronoSquare]

Combat is indeed the weakest aspect of the game right now imo. I was fighting the level 2 versions of the crows the other day, highest hit i saw on me was a 26. Why, then, when one dropped a torso that has higher physical and necro rating than my old torso did it suddenly hit for a 27? Are there critical hits in this game? That are just hidden?

[@eduardoborges506]

Yea no idea how he got to 53. Appart from the social aspect, which is even worse combat is terrible.

[@RRapierre]

​@@eduardoborges506 Jimmy's generosity added 30% lmao

[@JACpotatos]

​@@ChronoSquareand the "classes" seem incredibly boring. At least that's how I felt

[@messy3371]

Doesn't have enough content currently, that's why the level requirements are all big grinds, so that everyone doesn't finish everything within a week

[@bigdaddydubz]

You sound like a pleb that has not earned a cape in game. Get Gud 😂😂

[@derigel7662]

Its hard to keep a fan. base like Runescape from just going crazy. Their entire purpose is make numbers go up lol

[@dictatortot1703]

I have an issue with this style of “padding” a game by having huge exp grinds bc by the time earlier content is added, theyll see a portion of the playerbase that did progress through that grind and then decide not to reduce it

[@bumfricker2487]

@@dictatortot1703 I mean (leans in and whispers) that's kind of a core feature of Runescape, and most MMOs full stop.

[@NerdRageSC]

That's fine when the game is feature complete. Right now they need players to get through all the content to get feedback for an early access title.

[@JammFoxx93]

I tried to direct a newer player to the supplies store in episode 2 and the filter wouldn't let me send a message that only contained the exact name of the store 😂

[@bobthor9647]

Normally games in EA have a core concept but lack mechanics or areas are lacking, unfinished zones, missing levels . This game seems to be lacking a core concept or vision

[@metznoah]

It's interesting the response about the levelling system as well. "In our testing", "our testing finds", etc. Sounds like a game trying to be designed by focus group, which is going to have obvious blind spots for things like "long term achievement" and "retention". People seem to be excusing it because of the Gower name, but forget that Gower was more involved in EoC than modern OSRS.

[@ThermalShadow]

ngl this game looks like it has less interactivity than a mobile game

[@nevermind5657]

mmh. even those korean mmo's that are cashgrab feel amazing that fit to phone. like for example right now solo leveling. is it gacha game? absolutely. does it have idle option in combat? yes. but if you want to, you can disable the idle option and actively fight the bosses seen in the webtoon and anime. every single one of those korean mmos with actual world and where my choices actually matter aka if i do nothing, i would die. one of these is game called Wuthering Waves. I absolutely loved this when i played it. its an open world rpg with option for multiplayer. but i never toggled the multiplayer. its gacha game but i absolutely loved it as f2p. and then i dropped it cause i downloaded another one, but needed space.

[@BNuttSack]

so just like Runescape? lol

[@calreimer]

This is better than a mobile game, clearly you have not played, and you just jumped right to conclusions dumby.

[@baitposter]

​​​​@@BNuttSack The combat is even simpler than RS2 In RS2, you get to micro as many weapons, equipment, food, potions, prayers, and spells as you have inventory space for and access to. And in BS? During combat, you get three weapon slots, your armor is locked in, three special action slots, and two potion slots. That's it. -And to disengage from or avoid combat, you cant just run, you need to cast a very slow protection spell. _(Every single time if you're changing rooms, too.)_

[@BNuttSack]

@baitposter 100% agree about combat. I assume as the game gets more updates the combat will be more interesting. It’s came into early access less than a month ago. RS has been out 20+ years. Skilling in BS is almost no different than RS though. I actually prefer BS because it feels more consistent (for example cutting down trees)

[@hctaz]

The combat reset thing would only work in the event of expansions IMO. It’s a feature I had envisioned for, “how do we make a WoW expansion that doesn’t completely invalidate everything that came before it” But, for that to work, you need a base game. You need a level 1-60 grind with dungeons to do and raids at level 60 to conquer. Could you imagine you finish leveling Elwynn Forest and you move over to Westfall and you’re suddenly level 1 again? But say you’re looking at WoW and you’re moving to Outland in first expansion. There’s a good reason baked in right there. “It turns out the magical enchantments we’ve been using on our gear on Azeroth doesn’t work correctly here in this new place. We’ll need to find new gear that works here but not back on Azeroth.”

[@StefanSpeidel]

Nobody here plays wow

[@KoutetsuSteel]

​@@StefanSpeidel Almost everyone here has at least tried it (even J1mmy), so the analogy makes sense.

[@eskitv1509]

@@StefanSpeidel he literally uses WoW analogies in the video, so obviously some people here play wow lmao.

[@asimplewizard]

​@@StefanSpeidelI'm with you! It's true, nobody has ever played one of the most popular games of all time that had record numbers and literally defined an entire generation of games that no MMO has beaten yet. Practically niche!

[@StefanSpeidel]

@@hctaz lol you guys are really, really sensitive.

[@Kritigri]

As someone who loves this game so far... This was a fantastic video. Your criticisms are really well reasoned and videos like this could really help the game achieve its full potential. Thanks for putting this together, J1mmy!

[@giraffenecksoup]

RuneScape with condoms is a crazy, wacky, relatable take

[@BenjaminRedwood]

I think we gotta remember the Gower RuneScape was the RuneScape of the mage training arena; of firemaking without wintertodt; of smithing’s level design; where there were 10 or so main hand weapons but you’d be mad to use anything but a scimitar; and of ratcatchers. If we’re being real, OSRS only really got good for non-children ever since

[@AngRyGohan]

I always coming back to this thought when someone says "i would jump back to play actual 2007scape or 2012scape": Why? OSRS is just the better version of 2007 in every single way. In 2012 there were a total of 2 bosses in the game that you could actually call bosses since they have actual mechanics: QBD and Nex. OSRS and RS3 didnt come to the same conclusion by mistake that bossing should be emphasized with good mechanics / loot unlike what we had in the Mole, KQ, KBD, etc, which gave a lot of people something to look forward, especially since its the only MMO which balances most bosses with solo in mind. You could say from all of these things that Andrew doesnt seem to look far ahead in the future at all, which is why rooftop agility or mahogany homes allows you to stick around areas for longer than a duration of a quest or two

[@DirtyMuzzie]

You know god is good when the most replayed bar is right after the sponsor

[@MegaMonomer]

Felt like it was on rails. I want to be free, let me off tutorial island.

[@ArmaHipHopTV]

Pretty sure you are still on the tutorial.

[@eduardoborges506]

The entire game feels like a tutorial

[@Joshua-pr9vg]

No Never How could we then control every aspect of your gameplay experience? this isn't about fun... it is about us making money and impressing the investor class... who don't play video games.

[@accountnamewithheld]

I played 12 hours of this and quit after, it's just boring grind with no setting or personality. I can find better uses of my time.

[@SpearfishNJ]

like watching paint dry or water boil

[@bumfricker2487]

@@SpearfishNJ in some cases literally!

[@Sulucion6Tone]

Same here. Got to 100 levels in 2 days and questioned myself. 'Is this even fun?', and my answer was No..

[@JACpotatos]

I can't believe you played 12 hours. 😂 I played about an hour or two, but noticed I spent 90% of the time just getting bored and looking at my phone..... So I quit.

[@Jomama7272]

I think the only distinguishing characteristics of the game, as an mmo, are the darkened zones and narrow pathing. Basically, it has unique handicaps.

[@delornegg]

I think the difference with Runescape and Brighter Shores regarding the tiles is in OSRS you can just toggle the tiles plugin on/off in situations where you need it. Apart from that it looks like a genuine world. Brighter Shores inescapably looks like a D&D board someone pieced together. It's completely and entirely non-immersive.

[@Rafa-Silva-Alt]

I think it's not fair. Can you affirm that board games aren't as immersive as videogames? Also OSRS has years of nostalgia, lore and good will. I don't think your comparison is fair to both games.

[@StefanSpeidel]

@@Rafa-Silva-Altwhen you play a video game, you wanna play a video game, not a board game.

[@bigfroggy22]

Turn off the 117HD plugin and OSRS is just tiles as well lmfao

[@delornegg]

@@bigfroggy22 Yeah if you squint your eyes at it. The other difference is there is actual texture and hills and valley's to OSRS's map. Brighter Shores is all flat, very clearly boxy tiles. It doesn't look like a world, it looks like a board game.

[@Rafa-Silva-Alt]

@@StefanSpeidel Who rules that? You say it representing all mankind? Also, it's not the main point at bay here, try again.

[@misa7104]

The map and asthetic feels alot like the MMO that was quite big mid 2000s called Dofus. Distinct tiles and map "chunks"

[@captaincardigan1857]

J1mmy gonna make a J2mmy not before long

[@SetariM]

I mean he married flutten so lol

[@iamcerealman102]

J0mmy, his evil doppelganger that turns out to be the good J1mmy, who was trapped in a series of tubes.

[@dudeist_priest]

Juh-toomee

[@EinFelsbrocken]

2immy

[@_Professor_Oak]

not before long

[@suitandpie887]

This game reminds me a lot about the tile D&D boardgames where you shuffle the tiles and reveal the dungeon piece by piece, but instead of D&D it wants to be Runescape.

[@ChronoSquare]

Layout on tiles is how classic d&d is wanting to play out. Online games have an easy implementation of this, allowing the customization without the massive need for setup crafting beforehand. Makes me think of those older video game adaptations, like the pool of radiance.

[@fakenamerealchungus9851]

So what you're saying is if they fix the socialising, fix the graphics, fix the combat, fix the grinding, and fix the whole way the game is structured then they've got a good MMO here

[@dookiecruncher]

“Please give it a chance” bro what 😂

[@CosmicApiary]

i actually love the room system and the camera, it looks like you're a little toy exploring dioramas! i'm actually very eager to try this game when some of these greater problems are fixed. i've always been interested in runescape but never desired playing it, so i think i could go into this with a pretty unique perspective

[@dknf4036]

being eager to play this (if it ever becomes playable) but having no desire to play osrs confuses me, thats like having the option to play Baldur's Gate 3 but choosing pong on the Atari instead

[@CosmicApiary]

@ this made me laugh so hard

[@ManCheat2]

I will say you are wrong about "this never being done before" in regards to the region resetting, and region locked gears. Cubeworld did this most famously, and lost almost all its fans and playerbase, when the main dev decided to completely change the game into that.

[@RentaEric]

37:35 The goblin you are fighting is 10 levels higher than you, the gold drop isnt going to due much to that level difference.

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

Goblin deez nuts

[@Spiker985Studios]

But...if you're killing something above your level, you should be rewarded for that?!

[@Theump]

True, which is imo also a (small) mistake but hopefully gets fixed soon. If you arent paying a lot of attention out of nowhere is the monster you are fighting way stronger and you will die. After that also annoyed to find a new training spot because I have to select one extra menu just to kill the monster again. But I like the start of the game, looking forward what the team is cooking though

[@MojiiOkay]

Brighter Shores is a really interesting case study, because it is almost like in the early design meetings they made the main tennant of design to be "Disconnected". The areas on the smallest scale are disconnected from one another, loading and unloading from room to room, the acts disconnect the skills from one another, the players are disconnected from one another by the lack of any real multiplayer mechanics. I don't THINK that's how those meetings went, but it is weird that it turned out that way thanks to the strange "not an MMO but ended up as MMO late" development timeline. I'm interested in where the game ends up, because right now I'm not really sure the vision is coming through very clearly. I appreciate the hard work being put in, and hopefully allowing a bunch of players in this early will expediate the iteration stage of development.

[@mr.morkite1598]

4:20 I love the phrases Bartle gave to each player type. I have definitely found myself saying all the explorer things. Especially the one on Uranium. -ESKA

[@TheMightyNovac]

What I hate about the concept behind the professions is that it limits discovery per-skill. I start a new Runescape character, or get bored on an old one, and I think "Hmm... I'm going to become a cook!" and then I go all over the map, pursuing cooking tasks, grinding EXP with different local methods, ect. Cooking isn't just 'some content I did'--it's an asset I carry throughout regular adventuring, can discover more about as I explore, and can work on at my own discretion. The problem I have with locking skills to certain areas, is that if I wanna be "a cook", I will theoretically never leave that area. I will be a Hope Port smuck until I decide to grind another skill. I will never be exploring the map, discover a new method for cooking skilling, and go "Oh! I should come back here later to continue my cooking grind!" It also leads to just... *baffling* design decisions--like having unique combat skills per-area. What is the fun in that? Why am I grinding a combat stat, the thing I use to adventure, only to drop it for the next zone and be forced to use an identical combat stat.

[@Turbo614]

I hate it because it reminds me of runescape, which I hate.

[@brbhave2p00p4]

After have played Brighter Shores for 4 hours I understand better why OSRS is thriving

[@survivormandan8576]

People don't want to compare the game to Runescape, but they fail to realize that we are also comparing it with Andrew Gower's only other MMO game... So from a developer's standpoint, he's already accomplished the impossible by making an extremely popular MMO that lasted 20+ years... and from a consumer's standpoint, his last MMO game was good, so this new MMO game must also be good.

[@varogoth]

It's all the worst aspects of runescape and non of the best

[@survivormandan8576]

@@varogoth yeah I agree it needs a lot of work still. My point is that it's perfectly fine to compare it to RuneScape, because it's Andrew Gower's only other game. Brighter shores could be fun, but still needs lots of updates.

[@GamingDualities]

lol today runescape is nothing what is was back in the days. they cant been bring clanw ars and fist of guthix back into wildria. for any meaningful pvp world content and itneraction. these guys are as outdated as everybody else

[@boofhitter21]

IMO, you should just compare it to Runescape Classic for now, comparing it to the current versions of Runescape is straight unfair, you cant just make 20 years of content instantly, for a new game that had 9 people max working on it.

[@GamingDualities]

@@boofhitter21 i mean they coudnt even bring fist of guthix or clan wars back into wildra so why would we have hope in them now. they do nothigna bout bots either

[@DyceTaru]

The scores are very very generous

[@Zyrvaria]

I didn't think of it at first, but if all your levels are zone based, why are you locked from going to a new zone because you aren't a high enough level lol

[@zeriah]

35:38 "Please give it a chance" has the same energy as the Jeb Bush "Please clap" incident.

[@Twitch_Fox]

I'm currently trying Brighter Shores and I hit the "you need to be a member" to enter act 3 and I just went. "Is this game worth dropping $6 on?" Because am trying to get 32 carpentry and as you said, it's slower than shit.

[@JustinK0]

clearly not a fan of osrs which is also pretty slow, this is why people like rs3,

[@TakeHimNotMe]

Recovering Alcoholic here. Nearly 6 months sober. Just wanted to let you know; fucking spot on with the whole beer thing. It does taste better over time. Absolutely love your content dude. Keep at it, J1mmy! 🎉❤

[@Zm4rf]

hell ya keep it up

[@Sanguivore]

For anyone that actually is looking for that sort of laid-back RuneScape charm, The Black Grimoire: Cursebreaker is highly underrated. It proudly wears its RuneScape influence on its sleeve and is pretty dang fun.

[@HyenaRump]

My main issue with the combat leveling, and honestly just every skill leveling overall was that I felt like I already did everything by level 20, I don't actually care about fighting goblin but like level 16 now, or fishing a purple flounder instead of green. Also a skill called cooking and it's only to do UberEats

[@ADDoingIt]

2:15 He most likely signed a noncompete clause when he sold the company that prevents him from developing a game too similar to osrs. When i saw moss giants that were called "Moss Beasts," it felt like someone sold the rights to their intellectual property and is walking the line on trademark infringement.

[@bumfricker2487]

spot on

[@alexhartline9220]

Someone tell these devs to stop selling their game child if they're not ready to let go. Happened to the minecraft guy too

[@iMoD190]

@@alexhartline9220 Notch wanted to let go at the time. he didn't like all of the attention and pressure of being so popular. then becoming a billionaire broke his brain and he started spending his time posting about feminism and QAnon conspiracies.

[@JACpotatos]

Even if that were true, that would've been forever ago. There's no way he's not allowed to compete for the rest of his life

[@dyslexick]

RSC had a better combat system 30 years ago, let that sink in.

[@Clutch4IceCream]

Yea… No 😂

[@ignatiushazzard]

the formatting of this script is great, Jim. Love how you've framed everything. i haven't played, but i've watched a lot of people's videos now. best one so far.

[@silentassassin4815]

I actually think the new professions come with a higher potential than OS's or RS's skilling system. My only issue with them is how there's little to no cohesiveness between them. They should tie in with one another in unique and unexpected ways to reward the player in other professions. Maybe you hit 50 fishing and can now fish up new potion reagents. Maybe you hit 40 potion making and can make a pot that lets you gather 25% faster. Keeping them mostly separate, or even linear makes them incredibly stale. I played for 3 hours and found myself picking OSRS back up after 6 months of not playing.

[@darken2417]

The MMO personality test is alright but there is one big flaw. Anyone like me who has no friends will always default to the other options whenever friends are mentioned.

[@Coco-Don]

I just treat it like some weird TTRPG. I really like the way the grids and rooms look. Everything is like a diorama.

[@EtsaTwo]

Same I'm looking at it like a board game and it's really nice

[@JOHN-wo1kq]

diarrhea

[@Toxilium]

@@EtsaTwo Except board games and TTRPG's you usually play with friends and have social aspects. This game is single player atm.

[@EtsaTwo]

@Toxilium I wouldn't call it single player I would say you could play it single player but you can also play RuneScape single player. There are people around that you can talk to and you can see people zipping around. I'm sure dedicated group content is on the way.

[@ghosti79]

The chunks and the bank system and the inventory space is garbage

[@windowsforvista]

Get 32 carpentry noob

[@hedidit55]

membership fixes it

[@ghosti79]

@hedidit55 What do you get with membership?

[@bp3366]

​@@ghosti79A small loss in your bank account

[@hedidit55]

@@ghosti79 the strange man holes around the map are membership banks

[@MrMetagross]

To add to your point about the quests, it's definitely odd to not let players explore the quests without unreasonable restrictions. In runescape, to my knowledge there are very few if any skill requirements for the F2P quests (as well as some members quests!) While it may have been just been a product of the early development, it has evolved as a great way to introduce players to the world and truly show how open the game can be and improve the early exploration without feeling the tedium of getting to a barrier and then having to change gears completely just to get a drip feed of story. And 100% agree about needing to let your players know about quest requirements so we can know what to work towards without hitting that obnoxious barrier.

[@tulip5210]

Honestly I think they are doing that to give players something to do while they add more quests to the game.

[@xINVISIGOTHx]

ok so I have never played runescape (or brighter shores). Earlier today I watched an hour+ video of someone playing brighter shores. A few days ago I watched an hour+ video of someone playing runescape 3. Summing up what I learned, they are both games where the goal seems to be "to say you have as many level 99 professions as possible".

[@bleaksky]

I think your review is very fair; the game is missing some crucial elements. But, it is in early access, and being updated extremely frequently. So if you see it as less of a complete MMORPG and more the foundations of one, where your progress now won't be reset later, to me that's where the 'Achiever' score ranks up and makes the grinds more rewarding - we don't know what achievements will be desirable in the future, but we can be almost certain that -something- will be added. There's also something cool about being in the game early on and watching it develop and grow, even if it's got some flaws.

[@istyleonu]

People defending the core mechanics: "dont compare it to runescape, this game is unique" Same people defending the pointless skills and meaningless grinding: "Its just like when runescape first came out, let him cook" I wanted so badly for this game to be good but the Gowers lost the plot. This game is made for people who genuinely enjoy endless grinding for no reason. For everyone else its just an objectively flawed MMO down the its hallow core.

[@Khrxn]

i was here for these streams, and i want to commend our hero, Hummus

[@morganhedberg793]

I mean it's positive that the team is updating the game so quickly.. But in my mind this just shows that the game wasn't ready for early access launch. It looks a lot like scrambling to fix integral parts of the gameplay loop, not actually working on improving the game.

[@illyasdumbshiddump1529]

it's been fulfilling seeing jim go from a feature in a Sparc mac compilation to a multiple golden gnome winner fr

[@ChronoSquare]

By the way Jimmy just to address your complaint about the immunity, they tell you about that right away in episode two. The answer is fear portions, that apply the immunity effect continuously. Unfortunately there's no trading ATM so the opportunity cost to gather and brew those potions, outside of completing the entry, is not worth it during the first two areas. Speaking of which, did you notice how you can lower enemies to previous tiers? So you don't always have to fight a goblin twice your level, you can tick it back... But that's annoying to do every time. Still, if you've unlocked a high gathering or foraging and need the lower tier item to train potions, etc, that's a good option.

[@ghosti79]

I played for like 2 days and then went back to OSRS lol

[@yungcruz6562]

“Brighter shores is like RuneScape with codoms” 😂

[@varogoth]

True

[@OninOfine]

Brighter Snores

[@skaynne54]

Ok

[@varogoth]

Shighter bores

[@varogoth]

Writer's poor

[@Ray01360]

9:17 bro! Those tiles are amazing! That’s the first thing I noticed. I love it 😆

[@Xenn000]

I think one way to help the "combat reset" is that after a certain level of combat, you unlock a special attack that you can use in ANY episode. That would make leveling up your combat in one episode more meaningful for future episodes.

[@Ryzeko]

Not me thinking that cooking cape looks awesome!👁👄👁😭😂

[@piratesbootay]

it's runescape but from another part of the multiverse.

[@Channel-io4xu]

The name of the game should be changed to "grinder shores"

[@varogoth]

Grinder more

[@GamingDualities]

yeah the game doesnt respect your time at all xd

[@James-dn8dh]

Pretty sure thats a gayme in florida

[@Elementroar]

Explorer in the Bartle test isn't actually talking about the story if you read the description of the high Explorers percentage. It's actually about exploiting mechanics and doing things you're not supposed to, like getting into blocked off areas or gaining items you're not suppose to get. A WoW example I personally did - I glitch-tamed a lot of Hunter pets to keep effects on them that aren't suppose to be there, to the point Blizz did some coding to stop that from being possible and now those hunter pets are very rare.

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

45:00 nope, not fixed. as of writing this comment you still need to go into extra settings to make your name visible to others and to hear others speak

[@XdivineExp]

I don't think the filter is AI. It simply wouldn't make sense to spend the compute necessary to have an AI checking every single message that's sent when they can simply have a list of banned words and block any message that contains those words.

[@Pharoah2]

The list itself is likely ai generated

[@XdivineExp]

@@Pharoah2 Even this I highly doubt. Maybe if they have a local setup, but something like chatgpt, claude, gemini, etc., would almost certainly have their own filters in place that would hinder the AI from actually making an accurate list. I also doubt something like "18" would make it onto an AI generated filtered word list. That seems exactly like the kind of stupid thing a human would add. It just makes a lot more sense to grab a pre-made list from somewhere, especially since then you can at least have a reasonable level of certainty that it's a relatively exhaustive list and the AI didn't add anything weird or leave anything important out.

[@ZeroPints]

Brighter shores is awful

[@DemocraticLies]

RuneScape was not built in a day and RuneScape back in the day had these same issues

[@AmbitionIsaMust117]

True but he’s building a 90s looking copycat game in 2024 n it literally just looks worst than a mobile game lol

[@DemocraticLies]

@AmbitionIsaMust117 to be fair runescape in the beginning was pretty rough in comparison everything was 2 dimensional characters over time it progressed into the runescape we see today. He takes advice and implements on it. we just have to wait and see

[@JACpotatos]

​@@DemocraticLies..... It also wasn't being made in 2025

[@QuestionableObject]

A pretty obvious solution (to me) for the combat issue is to have an over-all level that applies everywhere but have sub-skills that make you better at fighting specific enemy types or just in each zone, so you'd have "Combat" and then you'd have like "Forest fighting" "Tunnel fighting" whatever else. And instead of having gear just suddenly become useless which is definitely a dumb mechanic, have them have bonus stats that make them better for different zones and give them styles suitable for each zone.

[@ckhoneycombs6685]

I decided to try out that test just after you showed it in the video; this is what I got. You are 87% Explorer, 60% Achiever, 40% Socialiser, 13% Killer. Sounds pretty close to how I viewed myself, now back to the video!

[@lCaKeSl]

Brighter Shores is special, it's introducing an entirely new way of designing a game that I've never seen before, largely through the episodic releases. I think it's an awesome concept: Release a new episode (expansion) that's available to EVERYONE, you start from square one as does everyone else at the beginning of a new episode, that's awesome, and I know episodic releases isn't unique, it's the fact it's an MMO doing that. It offers that "starting over" feeling of the rapid levelling and variety without actually restarting, no other MMO has ever attempted that. And it also attempts to fix the issue that all new content is directed at endgame players, thus people with lives (no offense) will never get to experience the new content, Brighter Shores fixes that. I'm really excited to see how this game continues to develop! Andrew has been super active at making changes based on feedback, very rapid development and very in touch with his community, I have a lot of confidence in him to make something weirdoes like us would truly enjoy

[@fakenamerealchungus9851]

Andrew get off chatgpt and fix your terrible game

[@Fuzzatron3000]

Everything you're saying sounds exactly like RuneScape, mindless grinding, do a small short quest and encounter a skill requirement. back to grinding. What's the difference?

[@colliefields4637]

RuneScape's skills often allowed you much more freedom when it comes to using one skills to affect other forms of content in ways which Brighter Shores currently doesn't. RuneScape also offers a lot of variety in what you can cut,fish,fight unlike Brighter Shores which insists you grind the same three things on repeat albeit with toggleable difficulties. Fishing in Brighter Shores: Flounder, Pufferfish, Eel, stronger Flounder, stronger Pufferfish, stronger Eel repeat continuously in the same three main bodies of water (Edit: till around level 22 when it finally starts to change the formula). If you want to stop the endless clickathon you do get to do some AFK Herring (I believe) but the exp is shit so not worth it. Fishing in RuneScape: Shrimp, Anchovies, Cod, Salmon, Tuna, Lobsters, Swordfish, Shark and loads more. All scattered around multiple bodies of water all across the map. All are semi-AFK allowing you to be able to somewhat enjoy conversations with other players as you fish.

[@Fuzzatron3000]

@colliefields4637 That's actually explained way clearer thank you, I can understand why brighter shores fishing sounds more dull now haha. If there's wasn't much fish variety or location variety in RuneScape, I probably wouldn't enjoy fishing

[@bIeaq]

52:00 also, construction/building is a confirmed skill for episode 5

[@XionicAihara]

i really wish the game wasn't built around chunks. it really does feel claustrophobic and I like to see the world around me. I'll probably revisit the game in a year and see what changed. Right now, I don't want to put the time in to enjoy something I clearly don't currently.

[@MrShady2099]

I dont think the game wasnt ready. i think the game was trying to replicate a game, without understanding what made the game successful. I think the game is exactly what it was set out to be. The dev thought that by making a game more grindy than osrs, it would make it better. But didnt understand that people want max on osrs because the game is good, not because it's grindy., he didnt understand to make a good game grindable instead of a bad game grindable

[@ErikvsLenny]

This is one of the best Game reviews ive ever seen. The way this man is able to see what really matter and also finding great alliteration to Reletable / known games and systems is remarkable. This feels like the Era before Big money came.

[@rkswai]

At least they didn't name the starting town Falanor and make you start as a guard. That would be some scary ass shit.

[@Mrmghz1]

the 3/4 hits before escaping combat is 10000% a feature from Runescape Classic being brought back to life

[@B00Mcounterstrike]

This video was so well structured followed with the video being incredibly interesting. I didn't even realize I had watched 54 whole fucking minutes of it. 😆😆 Bravo J1mmy!