RuneScape’s First Minigame Was A Total Failure (OSRS)

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Old School RuneScape’s first minigame was kind of a disaster. Its effects are still felt in game to this day. Today I discuss the history of NMZ and why it took Jagex so long to fix it.
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[@ColonelloRS]

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[@bedrockbob4523]

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[@sygos]

@@bedrockbob4523 of course someone preparing your meals and shipping 1 portions to you isn't cheap it's for lazy pampered kids

[@bedrockbob4523]

What about those why can't afford the basics as it is. Oh they are just lazy and pampered. Funny how a KZbinr who sits on his bum all day knows what others have to go through 😂🤣😂

[@grimreaper686]

I respect your way of advestising sponsorships. People sometimes say content creators taking sponsorships that they are a sellout but ad revenue alone isnt enough to support any creators. Not only do you take sponsorships but you take them for good products of all kinds and it doesn't seem like you are greedy only picking the ones paying a ton or sponsorships from only the major companies that are hot at the time. I always enjoy hearing about the wacky history of runescape, keep up the good work!

[@SB-SB]

Imo the 20 minute timer wasn't created for NMZ, it was created for splashing. When it got added a big problem was that every rat in the game had a splasher on it. This made it so as a new player you'd tele to lumby and be met with 20 people who were probably at work or sleeping just splashing on a rat. It was a bad look for the game. They didn't care about NMZ because it was out of sight out of mind. They couldn't do that with splashing. It was an eye sore you couldn't get away from.

[@joseleandro75]

True. How the fuck people dont know that? Especially content creators? Jagex even explicitly mentioned the reason in the newspost

[@ThirdXavier]

even after they did the timer this was still the case until they straight up removed splash xp in lumbridge years later so I don't think this is really true, splashing was way worse than nmz because you at least have to interact with nmz sometimes to restore prayer or take absorptions/overload whereas splashing you could theoretically do forever if you got enough runes

[@grimreaper686]

Let me drop a controversial reply, what if... it was just afking skills in general and both of them had a play in it? 🤯 Both splashing and NMZ and normal skilling tactics were all problems at the same time...

[@RagnarokiaNG]

the whole concept of polling fixing broken things is ridiculous. Of course people arent going to say yes to them not being able to exploit things so don't give them the opportunity to deny it.

[@RetroRetro23]

They poll everything because regardless of what choice they make, people will riot. So they want to make it seem like the community decided on it.

[@voided_sun]

I agree, but only to recently added content. However stuff like flinching, prayer flicking, safespotting, tile skipping and 3-ticking are all examples of exploits as well. It's interesting consider if the game is better with them, or without them.

[@ChucklingAway]

@@voided_sunmajority of those who complain can’t do any of those things you listed 👀👀

[@voided_sun]

@@ChucklingAway It's just a general first take that exploits are bad, and therefor exploits need to be fixed. The examples I listed are most certainly exploits, but also have developed to be core game mechanics that increases the skill cap.

[@hakarlrs9817]

Yup, there's also the problem that those who had already maxed out their combat with it before it was fixed had an unfair advantage so those who had not maxed wanted their chance. If they had fixed it as soon as it was an issue and before a whole bunch of people had maxed out their combat, that would have been great. But hindsight is 20/20 and back then people were really scared about giving Jagex power to change stuff, saying it's a slippery slope to EoC.

[@tubby1782]

Wow the footage of the boosters at nmz with all that multicolored text hit me with some nostalgia. Waking up every day before high school, paying a booster 20k and going into an nmz with full guthans lol. Then coming home from school and seeing how much xp i had gotten, did it twice a day at night too lol

[@Meowthix]

Hot damn these comments made me feel old AF. The fact that Guthans camping NMZ was your childhood while grinding the recently released Barrows for Guthans was mine just hit me in a weird way.

[@tubby1782]

​@@MeowthixWell think about it. Barrows came out in 2005. Osrs came out in 2013 and NMZ came out very early on in osrs in september 2013. It is now 2023. So the time between osrs coming out and now is actually greater than the time between 2005 and 2013. So its reasonable to feel nostalgic about something that happened 18 years ago, as well as 10 years ago. Hell, im nostalgic about going on pk trips with friends in OSRS that i dont talk to anymore from 2015/2016. Im nostalgic about all the fun i had in the DMM tournaments 2016/2017/2018/2019. Im nostalgic about watching my older brother play the real runescape in 2007 after finding it on miniclip at a friends house.

[@FSAPOJake]

Nightmare Zone should get a visual overhaul. The outdoor location is okay, but the actual dream should take place in an arena that looks like the dream world in Lunar Diplomacy or Dream Mentor. That would be nice.

[@TundrousOfficial]

Legit what i'd love.

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

Make it a nightmare with gore

[@fowrt]

Jagex won’t, they just want to remove it

[@NikoIFAP]

The exterior location still feels weird imo, feels out of place visually and location wise

[@RamminRanch]

@@fowrtwhich is fuckin cringe tbh

[@IdylOnTV]

Nightmare zone is honestly a relic of OLD old school and I hate it but I like it in a sick twisted kinda way

[@ColonelloRS]

Perfect way of putting it. Exactly how I feel too hahah

[@Jack958]

The premise is what bugs me, it feels out of place and like it belongs on a moded server. Plus it incentizing reuse and detachment from content. If they removed it tomorrow I’d be happy

[@Sanguivore]

It definitely has Moparscape vibes.

[@grimreaper686]

Yeah even though they are re-used outdated assets they don't match the area they are around and they dont even match eachother its wacky atleast make them design match like the magic stone square outline thing, atleast make the other stuff look magic-like but you use old timey looking wood barrels and stuff. Make it like the fairy art styles or something.

[@connorfloyd9773]

I'm alright with an NMZ redesign as long as they don't move the cow.

[@ColonelloRS]

100% agreed. The cow must stay.

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

*can't. Its hardcoded in and causes severe bugs when they tried in the past

[@crystalcvt]

the in-game lore behind NMZ - a former lunar isle resident in yanille - is a great idea for a quest. locking NMZ behind a quest that requires lunar diplomacy, etc would be a great way to make it not as achievable for low level players. if it were locked behind dream mentor that would get rid of all the complaints overnight but 85 combat is obviously a very steep requirement

[@grimreaper686]

Locking anything behind a quest would get immediate player hate, like pretty almost everyone ive talked to hates / dislikes questing. I dont think that would even get a 50% yes in a poll.

[@captntrousers4646]

I miss aggressive random events. Nothing like chopping some logs and then getting wrecked by the evil chicken on a low level account. 😂

[@azoniarnl3362]

Or a golem while mining😂

[@captntrousers4646]

@@azoniarnl3362 I somehow forgot about that one! 😂

[@Sharticus94]

Or get shit kicked by an ent at draynor willows lmfao

[@dylanherron3963]

Really look forward to seeing your channel continue growing man. Been getting back into the grind of OSRS lately (30 years old, revitalized a lvl 55 IM account from last year, and did more quests in 5 days than I've ever done before!) You have some fantastic content that never quite passes over the 30 minute threshold that loses some people's attention span. I've binged a lot of your videos (and try to comment/thumb up where I can) while I farm the Motherlode Mine. You tackle really cool subjects I would have never known about to the caliber of "ManyKudos" in how you handle lore and backstory. It takes so much work to do this, I can tell. The archiving and retrieval of reddit/forum/fansite posts with The Wayback Machine, your diligence in trying to get into contact with people that were there, great stuff mate.

[@jontyrosenow9396]

The biggest modern problem with NMZ is that players get stuck in an infinite loop of NMZ + Burnout, all they do in the game is NMZ and then burn out as so unengaging and in this weird easy/optimal afk niche for Melee stats

[@SAGGING_GUT]

It's funny actually, the majority of the playerbase were actually happy with Guthans NMZ. Guthans sets were what, 20m nearly? They had to make the integrity change because they knew that if they polled the removal of splashers/guthans nmz then it would definitely fail. It was such a sad time for the game for myself and I really considered quitting because until the integrity change it really felt like the game was going to shit very, very quickly.

[@aaron1234579]

Pest control use to be the best xp in the game back in 06 when it didn't have shields ;)

[@spiritofnex]

I must admit, nmz was the way I got 99 attack, and I did it the afk method. It's so nice to only have to click once every 20 minutes for 6 hours. I was able to get ~750k-1m XP a day, completely afk.

[@Reldonator]

Slayer lvl? jkjk lol

[@yyyobwoc]

I got 99 in all melee stats thanks to NMZ. Never would’ve done it otherwise. Now I get to play parts of the game i never thought I’d get to experience and work on getting the rest of my 99s the hard way.

[@grimreaper686]

Honestly anyone that didn't try the easy nmz thing either back then A. Didnt know how to B. Couldn't afford Guthans (It did get very expensive back then) C. Were already maxed D. Enjoyed c&b torture

[@genghisdingus]

Nightmare zone is basically a slightly buffed version of rock crabs back in the day. You should be doing slayer for your levels instead though as you get way better loot and slayer XP.

[@ChucklingAway]

100% agree with you. Not many have the time to sit and pay attention though. Nmz is easy on mobile while at work

[@azoniarnl3362]

Image "training" you melee stats in NMZ, what a waste..

[@CowboyQuan]

​@@azoniarnl3362when ur building over 3 lvl 120s I ain't doing slayer lol

[@necrohero0]

The middle mouse button poll failing made me literally quit the game for 5 years

[@austinwilburn1772]

They should change the nightmare zone KBD lair for the fully black room from the Seren fight room. I feel like it would be way better with you being asleep and stuff.

[@jacccccccck1475]

The game theory jump scare really got me. 😅

[@ryanw217]

13:55 i need to know where that clip is from lmaoo YESS ANCIENT MAGICKS!

[@SlugKiss]

the best solution to "fix" nmz is just to add better melee bosses. bosses like vorkath and muspah are insane range xp for the boosted damage or xp rates respectively while also making bank, a melee equivalent (or even just boosting xp rates on bosses like sire) would make a huge difference in making afk nmz a less desirable activity

[@doug5786]

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[@mcdonkey500]

Can't believe this shit is still in the game all these years later. Just afk and get 99 combat like it's nothing

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

I find it hilarious that the team polled the NMZ fixes. It reminded me a ton of the Blowpipe nerf where people were mad it wasn't polled. No way it would get a 75% vote yes for nerfing the 3.5M mingun that was either BiS or just marginally behind the TBow for almost every boss.

[@FirestormDDash]

Wait the blowpipe is considered near bis in osrs too? Thats funny.

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

@@FirestormDDash It was for a while. The OSRS team nerfed it about 2 years ago because it was literally too powerful to slot in anything between it and the Twisted Bow without it being a super gimicky weapon. It's still pretty good but not close to bis anymore with the introduction of new range weapons.

[@FirestormDDash]

@@TylerMcVeigh1 i mention it, since in rs3, using it as a cosmetic override has some weird interaction making the damage calculate at the start rather then end of a tick. So no dps difference but getting damage to hit first is BIS for sure. And cosmetic means you can still use the strongest weapons. Lol. Still gimmicky I guess.

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

@@FirestormDDash Ah okay! I didn't know that! Always interesting to see how different the two games are.

[@cannedsquasher5923]

​​@@TylerMcVeigh1oly shit I think this is the first time I've seen an OSRS only player not implode upon hearing RS3 mentioned. I swear you'd have better luck becoming king of the pirates than you would being OSRS players to not bash RS3 anytime it is mentioned.

[@leonsegade-garcia2936]

I feel like I dislike NMZ not because it's boring, but because it completely invalidates making progress in combat levels when you can literally just afk in NMZ to do the same. If this wasn't bad enough, important unlocks like the slayer helm imbue are locked behind it which literally just forces new players to run NMZ afk for like 8 hours to unlock everything

[@MilitaryHistory2011]

I got all my imbues from soul wars. Its quicker imo

[@erickchristensen746]

@@MilitaryHistory2011 He most likely meant before Soul Wars was introduced, NMZ was your only method for a long while there to get those things.

[@Anemeethious]

I play like it's 2006 most of the time

[@thecaybob1]

This is why my main account as no imbues. I'd rather do active things than sit in NMZ.

[@Anemeethious]

@@thecaybob1 how long would it take anyway

[@RSfailblog]

Great video, there was one major event from nmz that also went horribly wrong which you forgot to include. Rune smuggling. There were a few players who figured out they can smuggle the runes from nmz through, I believe the rune pouch somehow, they ended up crashing some rune prices and making billions before anyone even knew what happened.

[@HunkMine]

I feel like NMZ would of done best with soloing specific boss rotations as challenges. Each challenge would be associated with a different imbue. After every challenge is completed you can then unlock the afk version for generic rewards.

[@Luthstorm]

I'm currently working on 200m strength there. I maxed my melee's there in 2018 and honestly without it I probably wouldn't have.

[@Furry_Wall]

Watching this while currently in NMZ

[@DaCrump]

I think they should both really lean into the nightmare element and make it a learning tool to help newer players learn bossing mechanics. Have powered up "Nightmare" versions of the quest bosses that you fight more like a raid boss or the non-quest versions of bosses. Like if you want to farm Vorkath then Nightmare Elvarg/Vorkath will be a safe way to learn similar mechanics. Add EXP rewards similar to Pest Control or Scurrius' Spine and remove the AFK nature of it, or at least weaken it, and you'd have a much more interesting game mode with some great uses. I think it would be appreciated if it stayed the best way to level combat stats but it was much more interactive and skillful. Having players walking away with high level stats quickly and a better idea and confidence to put them to use.

[@Spaghettiest]

warding failing polls killed what little hope i had left for the rs community

[@Zizzle-sg1qg]

I remember those days! I used NMZ to get max combat with Slayer. I never abused it, would just do proselyte with a whip/ss!

[@Zaanse_Mayo]

Quite the missed opportunity to have the title be "RuneScape's First Minigame Was A Nightmare"

[@australianoutback]

I remember just screen recording my phone screen drinking the pots for 40mins. Than just press play... It got me all 99s in like a month running it every day and night haha

[@Reldonator]

I just did like 5 hours of nmz for imbues, only to find out you can do lms or pvp arena for imbue scrolls. I regret taking a break and not knowing the alternatives XD Edit: oh soulwars too

[@Doctor_Mobius]

As someone who’s played OSRS on and off for 20 years and never maxed a skill, I’m really bummed I was AWOL during this lol

[@y3w]

Good times. I remember when boosting in NMZ was a thing. Me and a friend made a boosting account and you could make super good money sitting there being a booster.

[@shelldunk]

Crystal halberding Nechryaels in the Kourend Catacombs is significantly better experience than NMZ, but I get your point. NMZ is effectively zero time, which is why it's so strong.

[@Ozonencb]

I liked the Pre evolution of combat Tower in the desert, where you would fight the different quest bosses while you climb the tower. They should add something similar in OSRS but better. That kuraluum fight pits sounded promising but nothing ever happened of it.

[@limonade7050]

Dammn I totally forgot about NMZ services. So weird to see it again after almost 10 years

[@wslaxmiddy]

The 6 hour log still worked back in the day. The issue was that if you were in combat you wouldn’t get 5 minute logged so you would stay in NMZ for 6 hours. Now if you don’t click for 5mins while in combat your char will stop attacking and eventually log out . But the 6 hour log has ALWAYS existed and there is no way around it

[@nicholasschmidt2864]

Given the tools, manpower, and philosophy of OSRS at the time, NMZ came out about as good as it could ever be. Except for no filtering bosses and the rune duplication exploit, it was pretty much released without incident and well liked. I don't remember people smuggling combat boosts, minigame specific items, or absorption effects like would happen in LMS or BA. Like most people, I think it's... bad, but it's so ingrained into OSRS that I can hardly imagine a version where NMZ hadn't been made. Yeah you could train through slayer and regular pvm, but would we be using swamp crabs because ammonite and sand crabs were too stuffed, and would Guthans still be 10m+ because you had to train at bandits? I certainly think having an instanced area where you can train with minimal attention is convenient, and definitely speeds accounts to content that they're locked out of based on pure stats. But it's just so fugly, imbues are such an awkward concept, and herb boxes are dumb. It's an awkward minigame but it provides easiest (not fastest) source of imbues and combat XP. While I think it was a misguided effort and desperately needs a second look, I would be a little sad if it was removed.

[@Staycie313]

Just came across your videos so happy I have....much love from new zealand homie keep the content up subs are coming your way!!!!!!

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you so much!!

[@superninjaraidingman]

13:58 Yo respect to that kid for doing desert treasure as a kid.

[@blitzzbob5643]

Lmfao that kid "yesss acient magicks!" I feel you kid DT was the hardest quest i ever finished on my originat RS account as a kid 15 years ago or more.

[@Pedro-rj5ug]

Its the best training method in melee but still i enjoy more the Slayer/melee range mage training

[@jordanlamb3308]

Nmz is the reason I’m max combat and I’m so happy it was added, it still takes a considerable amount of time and dedication to get to 99. But I guarantee you I would have never hit 99 with out it.

[@Abionx]

Nah people did the bandi method with guthans before nmz. It was just a superior version of the bandit camp method since you can use absorb pots with dharoks instead of guthans or pray pot method at the bandits

[@imsotallytober5]

A scam bot to pretent to be a booster is just being an asshole for no reason lol. It would be just as easy for the bot to open up a dream for them.

[@goosebottleYT]

ah.. the good ol time of nmz and nmz hosts

[@3chodabs195]

Thanks for these videos the nostalgia is incredible

[@MilitaryHistory2011]

Training combat through NMZ often leads to excessive bullying in most ccs Why would you train combat outside of slayer

[@CowboyQuan]

Because slayer is a waste

[@hughslaton]

Where is the clip about the kid getting ancients from?

[@brianburke2760]

The first idea for the nmz is so messy. Like the corruption Jagex is allowing with mod trident and his gorlfriend still being aloud to play

[@subtome8906]

14:50 This information is incorrect, the 6 hour log out limit did exist. But there wasn't the thing where you have to interact with the game every 20 minutes, so you could only AFK for 6 hours max. This goes for both NMZ and splashing because both are combat related.

[@ColonelloRS]

You could actually go past the 6 hour timer prior to February 13th 2014 if you were in combat. Here's the excerpt from when they changed it, "The log out timer will now kick you from the game if you have been logged in for 6 hours whether or not you are in combat."

[@samszotkowski]

Splashing or safespotting isn't "in combat", I think the way it worked prior was you only got the gamer log if you weren't in combat

[@ArchonZach]

Man I wish I knew about the free magic back in the day I would have played lol

[@libertyprime2852]

If not for nightmare zone I wouldn’t have got 99 melee stats lol. There’s no difference between someone leveling up thru fighting monsters or me fighting bosses. If you want to take the long route go ahead, but you don’t need to make me take that route with you.

[@Wizardboz]

I got all melee 99s recently from nightmare with nothing more than an auto clicker

[@Jolfgard]

I mean, that's all fine and dandy and even interesting, but what on earth does this have to do with Gnome Ball?

[@jmike2039]

I can never tell the difference between colonello or crumb

[@Lucho741]

Gotta love the KBD layer

[@johntim5293]

00:55 what is going on with Mat Ks ear?

[@TuskerGaming]

I remember playing guthix in 07 is this in reference to osrs not rs2?

[@KittyCatnap]

Been playing OSRS since day 1. I just got the rings from NMZ, never bothered doing it again since.

[@tjm8790]

Lol i remember I saved up for full guthans just to afk nmz for 6 hours and the next day they nerfed splashing.... man i was heartborken....

[@KandyCing]

I really like your thumbnails - they have a lot of personality. I immediately click on your videos

[@ChiefJoeOnline]

best place to train melee is at nechs with dins bulwark and spec transfer alts, over 1m/hr xp

[@azoniarnl3362]

You mean fastest, best does certainly not incluse the use of alts to keep running back and forth😅

[@crd7876]

I love mod ash, he helped me get my account back in 2018, saw how genuine he was in the dev cast and figured he was my best bet, straight out told me to apply for help even if it warned me since I had been scared away by the warning, boom it was back from the phillipines. D:

[@zzwooly3331]

15:25s is that mod matt k going to sleep in front of his alarm clock?

[@Przymiot]

I will never understand how Jagex made Runescape, which is such a great game, while being such complete morons and incompetent clowns. The only answer is that the foundation was great and the original devs were really good, and then the people who came after only had to try and not mess it up (which they did countless times).

[@Ochrehorns]

Let's see you do better then

[@MrCutlis]

Mate.. Chill

[@FirestormDDash]

Overall yeah, the brothers do regret giving up the shares of the game so jagex had full control. So the game subtly had more corporate interests imparted into it. More mainstream. Easier user experiance. Etc. Catch whats popular. Oh well. Might make it less popular but will make it last longer ironically. At least jagex made a shame corner and put osrs and some black sheep devs into it for the hardcore fans

[@jacobwallace2920]

They should make Durial321 a nmz boss

[@ChatGBTChats]

I havnt played since tears of guthix was new content. I love NMZ just started playing a few months ago again after so many years. I did plenty of slayer but for def afk exp NMZ has beena blessing

[@MynisFromOSRS]

Great video bro 😊

[@user-fn3iv4on3f]

I did the guthans thing I miss it :(

[@fica1137]

NMZ product

[@ElGatoss]

Nmz is DANK. I'm a new old player. Played as a child. Now I have 99atk and str. Almost def and I'm having the time of my life on runescape. All made possible by nmz

[@vincesettineri]

I have always enjoyed NMZ, I like it for training combat and its fun to re fight old bosses, that's just me though I have zero issues with it being the best place to train.

[@JB0Ye]

i luv nightmarezone i still grind it to this day just prot melee with only melee bosses with pray bonus gear easy afk training

[@personious_k]

I thought you meant RS as a whole, not OSRS

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

🐄

[@ColonelloRS]

🐄

[@se1578]

Quick suggestion, I'm not sure if it's because I'm on mobile. But your video suggestion on the right hand side only lasts for less then a second. I had to rewind 4 times to watch your party hat video haha

[@ColonelloRS]

Thanks for letting me know! I'll take a look

[@samszotkowski]

Lasts about 8 seconds for me on mobile

[@Jolfgard]

6:40 But Sir Amik Varze is fine?

[@Based....]

I agree with Dwayne. It truly is the biggest piece of dog shit.

[@rokka7188]

I don't personally like NMZ being the *best XP method*, because the way alot of the older training method worked, was that you could do Rock Crabs for more AFK, slower XP (or Bandits for more riskier training and XP), or you could get more XP by training it more actively with methods like Experiments or others. NMZ being the most AFK, the laziest and also efficient way to train combat I think ruins the balance, and I don't think "people are adults now and no longer kids" is really that good of an excuse, if there were kids and adults back then as well. It's more so the way the game is balanced around those things. Like including your point with the devaluing of low level moneymaking with herblore secondaries.

[@Sapphire1z]

The Golden Era

[@htcthunderbolt]

thanks to hello fresh for shoving an ad down my throat despite me paying for no ads. Really makes me want thier product.... NO thx

[@KodaStorm]

16:44 today I learned

[@IHaveBadWiFiBro]

I still don't understand why they added new content to the game, I thought they were supposed to keep it classic, no updates just fixes... like what?

[@user-dj9wj4wx2t]

You make a good point, but realistically I don't think anybody saw OSRS becoming as popular as it is, they probably thought it was going to be a nostalgia hype that would die after 6 months, with no updates it would have died years ago.

[@imadeyourhp0]

14:08 ik that feel

[@blackwng]

nmz was dope i could set autoclickers to 1 tick prayer flick and survive 6 hour logs without using absorb potion lmao easy 99 combats

[@showmehyamoves3009]

Legit made SHADOW WIZARD BANK STANDING GANG🧙‍♂️💰💸

[@sivraj01171]

wait is this still a thing? i have never heard about any of this, well then again, its been a bit since i played. but still! i might join again if this is the case

[@ColonelloRS]

Yup it still exists today

[@sivraj01171]

@@ColonelloRS hell yea!! Sooo of course played back when I was a kid, and got to around 80 or so, now that OSRS came out I got to almost the exact same level, quest completion and items and got bored Because the grind is to annoying

[@FirestormDDash]

​@@sivraj01171 well. Rs3 is less grindy. More content tbh. And you prob would be at 80 still if its the same as your old account. Really no downside.

[@sivraj01171]

@@FirestormDDash I tried rs3 way back when, and continuing my old account and I just did not like it, I know it’s supposed to be less Grind but I just feels like WOW at this point, and doesn’t feel like RuneScape. That’s why I stopped played RS3 and went back to OSRS.

[@FirestormDDash]

@@sivraj01171 i get that. Visually too. But they are releasing old overrides all the time to make at least your character look rs2. Not many players know. But you can turn on legacy combat and interface. Buried in the settings. But it turns the UI into a late rs2 setup, and turns EOC completely off. So its just rs2. I actually used these to trick the whole OSRS reddit page a while back into thinking I was on a HD osrs client xD Until a smarty pants looked at my summoning points being too high.

[@Way2Woke420]

I love yo..uhhh I mean I love your videos

[@IAmAmirul]

I get that people say it invalidates the true 99 capers before NMZ came out but let's be honest.. we don't look at 99s anymore, the game has came out for too long. I understand that you can afk 20 mins at a time to get the skill level you need, but it really ruins the whole experience as well. You can't compare a grind on drags for example with afking at NMZ or crabs. You're definitely going to enjoy the dragon leveling more, especially with the drops. But not all have the time, so that's why crabs kinda exist too. Either NMZ or crabs, choose your poison lmao.

[@JoshPaulie]

New players: Please do not just NMZ your combat just grind slayer, im begging you it's way more fun The only friend I had that played OS was insistent I grinding my combat in NMZ. I maxed str and took a long break. I'm playing again and absolutely regret it

[@l0lan00b3]

I agree feels like you're gaining less when you just grind out for max. I've acquired 200 days in game time over the years but still haven't even hit 2k total.

[@leonsegade-garcia2936]

I actually really enjoyed levelling slayer early tbh. I think people confuse what is efficient with what is fun for new players. Slayer at least makes you enter new environments and learn about the game as a whole, whereas training combat on sand crabs or nmz is just mind numbing

[@Jaywin228]

Why can’t players just train slayer?

[@Reldonator]

Edit: please do not, just train Slayer! NMZ for imbues, if you hate lms and pvp arena. Otherwise train combat through slayer unless you are afk only

[@JoshPaulie]

@@Jaywin228 I meant they should, I edited it for clarity

[@naxergss2625]

i miss you

[@dakotajones2785]

I got all 99s at nmz and have no shame lmaooo.i think wintertodt should be considered the first minigame or at least fishing trawler. even zalcano is a failure, volcanic mine... Do I even have to continue tbh GoTR Was the first good "minigame" (oops I forgot about tempoross)

[@PluckyInc]

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[@turnkey_hole]

It was the team's first foray into design, working with the very limited resources they had at hand. For that, what they made is commendable. That said, it does look like something you'd see in MOPARscape. It's also *still* the gold standard for afk training. It also makes the bosses and other content somehow feel less... Special. It kills the sense of place and time that is so core to osrs identity. It also feels like it detaches you from all of the other skills in the game that intersect with combat and herblore. I really think it should be retired. It has no place in a game with a future. Modern players forget that this game was supposed to be abandoned within a year or two.

[@team3d180]

As an ironman they basically have removed nmz :^) fucking sucks

[@BattleTheory]

NMZ is the best, they should unnerf it, actual AFK content in the game rocks :P