Why City of Mist is Easier than DnD 5e

[@admpandora91]

Dude, if you did a video on the dnd alternatives, I'd watch everything

[@tawumpas]

Sounds like they should SPONSOR the man. Paizo would be a great addition

[@StinkyOldBear]

Yes! There are so many options!

[@MagiofAsura]

We do need more eyes on other systems. You should checkout DC20 also. It's the dungeon coach's new system

[@thedorkydoodlesden]

Looking for alternatives myself. Please Runesmith!!!

[@bobhill-ol7wp]

@@thedorkydoodlesden here are some of the best worth checking out. Masks, Savage Worlds, Blades in the Dark

[@TheBurgerkrieg]

it is not an understatement to say that you recommending City of Mist a few years ago actually changed my life

[@cat4laugh]

I just knew you would be here!

[@wigiot1273]

oh hey it Burgerkrieg

[@spacepilgrim3023]

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[@lionwolf7861]

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[@dieu2282]

When you recommended city of mist a while ago I ran a campaign for my friends and we had so much fun! I cannot recommend this system more it's genuinely such a blast to play

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

A Runesmith-upload!! The day just got more cultured. 😌👌

[@Sanguimaru]

City of Mist is inspired by Powered by the Apocalypse style of gaming. That kind of thing really focuses in on the narrative more than the numbers, which is why the GM generally doesn't roll. It's their job to help guide the players through gameplay, letting them play to find out, then tell them what happens as a result of what they do, and how the world behaves around them.

[@GoblinLord]

in other words, if you never let them fuck around, they'll never find out

[@OstroGothic]

D&D currently has the benefit of having so many great content creators for it. I hope that folks like you and the Dungeon Dudes will continue branching out into other systems. More video content makes new systems feel less daunting, imo. So, thanks!

[@roboticjanitor3332]

I'm hoping that, whenever the ORC license is out, Dungeon Dad uno reverses his series on converting Pathfinder monsters into 5e and starts converting stuff like Beholders into PF2e.

[@idodo32]

City of mists is great, but it's worth noting thag most of the positives you mentioned are true for a lot of PBTA games, such as masks (super heroes) voidheart symphony (anti capitalist persona 5) and avatar legends (ATLA) all of which i love :) Highly suggest looking into it! I'm also working on my own game using the engine 😁

[@dawafflesupreme]

I'm pretty sure persona 5 is already anti-capitalist

[@kimarous]

Recently got my Kickstarter copy of Avatar Legends - haven't flipped through it yet, but glad to see such a comparison.

[@idodo32]

@@dawafflesupreme not really, it'a very milktoast liberal, and only really examines japanease social issues...

[@dawafflesupreme]

@@idodo32 you literally mind-control a corrupt politician and make him reveal how he abuses the system. How is that "milktoast"

[@idodo32]

@@dawafflesupreme because it spares no thought for the system itself, it's critiques are of shido the individual more than the system that created him. Dont get me wrong i love P5 (especially the royal stuff) but it isnt a very radical text... VHS takes a much more systematic approach to things which i found appealing and interesting... Also P5 didnt let me date ryuji which made me big mad.

[@zackkwam134]

Yoooooooo the Runesmith case has been funded for the KS!

[@ОлегСуременко]

Genuinely though, my group was able to play City of Mist in Eberron with minimal changes and it's been working wonders so far. You'd think it'd be hard to get rid of the Mythos/Logos dichotomy, but it's actually very simple, since you can already pit themes of the same type against each other.

[@JacksonOwex]

There needs to be MORE CoM videos! This game sounds BAD ASS, I need more of it in my veins!!!

[@sky0kast0]

Of course there's a channel the creators made but then that's spoilers

[@erikwilliams1562]

Your 1st video of Mist had me creating 4 different characters in the hopes I'd get to play. They're still waiting hopefully on my desktop

[@ShadeMeadows]

Gotta love every time ya upload! ...also, that Ladybug clip killed me.

[@mls4444]

First, I think. I'm so happy to see you're posting videos again! Your last few videos were so refreshing, and this one is also awesome. Good to have you back!

[@jacoburrutia6010]

Your city of mist video stuck with me and I played it. My group had now been playing for 2 two years and I have had new plays ease into ttrpgs with City of mist

[@BardicMonk]

Thanks for reminding me of the Kickstarter. Can't wait for the new content! Awesome vid and glad to see you back :)

[@WolvenKay]

The way you talk about city of mist always makes me want to play city of mist

[@toxinfrog6137]

Oh, cool, I like city of mist. Glad to hear it being talked about again.

[@ManderCultist]

it's a good day when Runesmith uploads

[@NobodyDungeons]

I had a character who was just a normal guy who just happened to be able to see threw the mist by some weird happen stance. He had a combat background of Ex-special forces, a job of bounty hunter, a utility belt, and a hacker daughter. So, he basically ended up being batman with guns lots and lots of guns.

[@net_spider]

Want to try this and have most of the books (minus most of the cases and threats), but my schedule is a mess and will probably only be able to do play by post.

[@peppa4412]

Just a thing to note. You start with 3 power tags each theme, not 2.

[@lukecroston9577]

Straight up half of my DM friends don’t suggest ideas until you post a video so thank you so much for keeping the hobby alive in our group lol

[@distance7721]

If you are looking for games that are easy to learn and prep for, I would recommend Sine Nomine games. The author, Kevin Crawford, does a really good job of building systems that are easy to learn, very easy to run, and exceptionally friendly to inventing your own content. Stars Without Number and Worlds Without Number are his sci-fi and fantasy games respectively, but if you like the themes behind City of Mist, I think you'd like his Godbound system, which is designed for mythological adventures where the PCs play demigods

[@k.hogan-emmons3290]

I feel blessed when runesmith uploads other ttrpgs

[@flareinc7413]

Thank you for making this and reminding me of why I need more City of Mist in my life

[@charliewalsh2782]

The Miraculous clip of Gabrielle was so spot on

[@poyo6495]

thank you soo much for introducing me to city of mist, been running the paynetown series for a little over a year now :3c many are saying this

[@remingtonwright6796]

I have always wanted to play city of mist, and I even have a specific mythos and logos in mind. Logos: head of a security firm called either "watchdog" or "hound". Mythos: Cú Chúlainn.

[@lvl3-wizard81]

Your first video about city of mist inspired me to try out the system and I've loved it. It's one of my favorite systems and easily my favorite example of a powered by the apocalypse system.

[@lukek.5773]

powered by the apocalypses games are my fave. i am actually making a (slightly complicated) dice pool system meant to be mix and matched with various modals to fit any scifi setting. more rolling than a PBTA system but the same sliding nonbinary success scale seen in one. no GM rolling either. just a more defined system with more variation for the types of bonuses you can get and how you scumlpt your character. maybe i should look for your business email and see if you want to play test it before i go public for a kickstarter 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@jnpg1773]

I would like to suggest the Sentinel Comics Role Playing Game. It's a super hero role playing game where if you mess up, you can still choose to succeed, but by doing so you must add a minor or major twist into the scene/story Also the lore is really good

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

A blessing from the smith of runes

[@panpan3303]

Hell yes, more city of mist content!

[@tethalicon]

it's good to have you back

[@Aerowind]

City of Mist requires a very specific type of player. A combination of over analyzers and lack of creativity killed my game before it started. I tried running a campaign and literally couldn't get past session 0. My players absolutely could not come to grips with the amount of freedom they had, and some of them have the imagination of a teaspoon and couldn't think up any powers related to the myth they wanted to be associated with. No matter how much I tried to help them, they were never happy with the amount of freedom they had. I'm going to try and run Tokyo Otherscape and hopefully it goes a bit better since powers in that game are a bit more "normal". The more generic superpower thing is going to work better with my group I think.

[@CooperAATE]

Yeah, I don't think I'd thrive in this system tbh. I need restrictions, and "literally do anything" doesn't work for me.

[@GKplus8]

@@CooperAATE Agreed. games like this work best for people who strive on the *Role Play* part of RPG the most. CoM is only about one or two degrees above just full blown schoolyard play pretend, and some people need more structure than that.

[@LokeGermanLp]

more city of mist would be really nice! also like a session you play with people!

[@rajnishukla3926]

The man is officially back baby

[@Stormthorn67]

Pretty much every time someone offers a rules light alternative tabletop game nowadays it comes back to the Apocalype system and the tri-outcome action resolution roll. As soon as he said the DM doesn't role I knew where it was going. I personally hate the "DM doesn't do anything but invoke their 'Moves'" style these games have but I can see how it appeals to some.

[@phillipsybrandy8475]

I'm now seriously considering playing city of mist

[@orioninfernal7269]

I got CoM back in early 2021, it's a super fun experience and if you want to give it a trial run to see if its your kind of thing there is a free starter kit on the City of Mist website

[@phillipsybrandy8475]

@@orioninfernal7269 thanks for the info my man

[@Americanbadashh]

A video covering the Fate Core RPG, system would be fantastic. I think it's one of the easier systems to learn whilst still being high versatile.

[@donovansingleton9096]

Pathfinder 2e is great. Also, OSR content is really neat and brings a simplified but classic experience. Great video as always!

[@qsviewsrpgs4571]

I don't always look for games to be "easy" in any sense, but when I do, City of Myst is indeed one of them. Excellent content!

[@logannichols5848]

Yes yes runesmith uploaded. Maybe hell might freeze over and we get a puffin forest as well

[@RyanEdwardsVA]

Awesome video. Would love to see more non-D&D content from you, other games are so cool and this made me interested in checking out City of Mist.

[@casperfourie9124]

I played a game where I was a grumpy Boer with Elim Garak from Star Trek as my mythos. We started a revolution. It was chaotic, obsurd, and fun

[@DerLibertin]

I don't think City of Mist is my cup of tea, both as a GM and a player. (I'm still going to binge every video of you if you'd become a CoM Channel tho) I also don't think that CoM is really comparable to DnD. It's like comparing two completely different video games, animal crossing and call of duty for example. Some people want, need or enjoy a big set of more complex rules like DnD. Others want more freedom and emphasis on storytelling like CoM offers. Also, but I'm not sure about that, I have the feeling that both CoM players and GMs need a LOT of self-restraint. Seems like you can live very strong power fantasies very easily.

[@fiberglassribcage3698]

1:18 a man of culture, I see

[@SanMaster17]

FATE is really good too. Highly recommended

[@thewatcher8878]

I want to make a superhero game with this system at its core. I think it would work exceptionally well.

[@KokkeOP]

Not just easy. Extremely more immersive and alot less metagaming since most of your actions will almost always occure in-game and in-character. CoM is a perfect balance for players who love storytelling, mistery, conspiracy and creativity beyond the stablished stereotypes. lastly, I always take more time of my game playing the game rather than solving math aritmetic calculations and "am I at Xfeet or not in range to the Monster " hahaha. Lastly ...ther CHARACTER CREATION IS SO MEANINGFULL! Great review!

[@TangledLion]

City of Mist always seems fascinating whenever you discuss it. I've shied away from it because Noir isn't quite my thing but your mention that you don't have to run a Noir game is interesting... I did enjoy the series Once Upon a Time and something like that looks like it might be a nice fit... Hmmmmm...

[@Bright07]

This looks good...gonna look into it for sure.

[@somerandookay6999]

You should do more non dnd ttrpg videos, I'd like to see what else is out there but I never know where to start, and you’re great at explaining ttrpg stuff in a way that makes sense to me. Help me out my dnd hole king.🥺

[@andrewkillian6210]

You gotta do more City of Mist videos! If theres any creative spark for them, I'd love to watch 'em

[@tkic3164]

Yay! More City of Mist content!

[@rat9041]

i have not been getting reccomended runesmiths videos past the owlin one i didnt know he was still uploading even tho i had notifications on

[@grayrook8637]

Ey! Look at that, more City of Mist content. Still wanna play this.

[@Sir_Lorekeep]

Happy to see more City of Mist

[@HarmonicHewell]

My friends and I played CoM a while ago and it we didn't play it the way it was meant to be played at ALL. One person's mythos was Nord VPN, one's mythos was another one of the players at the table, one's was Biggie Smalls. It was a lot of fun completely abusing the game. 10/10 would recommend.

[@saskuethedemon98]

Man this video should have came out when you posted your original CoM vids. This would've saved me a bunch of time convincing my players to give it a shot

[@theinternetarchiveknowledg2911]

0:56 I take the burden upon myself. Is ok by me, and my players enjoy not being overwhelmed by too many spells and/or abilities. (We always play at 20th level or above)

[@Arthas30000]

I've checked out City of Mist. I wish I had a GM who knew what was happening to get me through character creation and run a game or a one shot. It's a bit confusing in the rulebook ngl 😅

[@erikwilliams1562]

Check out Runesmith's earlier videos on it. They're fantastic

[@TymofiiLisovychenko]

Funnily enough, I think it's actually the opposite, unless you took a starter kit which assumes that you use a pregen. The 513 pages the core book has is a lot, but 60 of them are detailed inspirations for the themes you can pick, 90 are setting info for inspiration, god knows how many are GM advice on pretty much anything they can do... I really respect that book because it goes into way, way more details than it could've gotten away with as the system itself is incredibly freeform. It's, frankly, the opposite of Fate Core book in a way, even though it's an obvious heavy inspiration as a system, which just gives you the barebones basics and when you ask the book "how do I use all of this?" it just puts two thumbs up and says "have fun, buddy".

[@theofficialuncleboneless5345]

I must've missed something in translation here, because I personally found learning the system to be a bit convoluted and sometimes frustrating. I tried for a few hours to put it all together in my head but some things just didn't click. By now I've pretty much forgotten everything about it, must've been well over a year since I found out about the game itself. And I don't know if I'd somehow overthought something or if there really were unanswered questions sprouting up but it did lead me to bail on creating a demo-run of CoM. I'd genuinely like to know if somehow the problem occurred on my end, so if there're videos that go into detail about how the mechanics interact with eachother and whatnot that'd be great to know.

[@fireknight4151]

City of Mist is one of the best game system I have ever played and best of all it allowed me to finally tell stories I would like

[@caseycoker1051]

I own all the city of kist books but have never gotten to play it. I'm looking forward to Otherscape and Legends of the Mist as well.

[@danielwitt1793]

Hey runesmith, random idea here: what if you made a series getting to learn other systems, but instead of having to invest your time yourself, interview friends that know those systems really well and just chat, ask your questions and maybe end the video with an encounter to demonstrate system mechanics? I'd watch the hell out of that lol.

[@BlubRuss]

INTERACTION FOR THE ALGORITHM LORD. KEEP IT UP MAN!!!! -🧙🏽‍♂️👍

[@megamagicmonkey]

The hardest thing about City of Mist is understanding the right play dynamics. I've played it with my group a few times and it falls apart pretty hard. Usually some mix between traditional "I have everything planned and need to make the game challenging" DM style and "We don't know where the plot is so we're gonna twiddle our thumbs until something happens" players. Which is weird because we've all played World of Darkness games.

[@williamglenn4315]

Me and some friends have started using this system for a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and it works perfectly for how the show's set up!

[@Morec0]

Play Blades in the Dark. It's a bit of a happy marriage between the two with a fantastic setting.

[@orelyosif5852]

I find the ability for DM to decide if a roll succeeds or fails after the roll is made better, since it gives more control to the DM. It's hard to DM anyway, and being able to keep the mistery by simply saying "not enough" is easier than figuring out all the modifiers that affect the roll the player makes

[@TymofiiLisovychenko]

Frankly, if you need to keep a mystery by fudging rolls, that isn't a particularly good mystery. Unlike some other games, PbtA make it a point to only roll when stakes are clear and interesting, and also very much make a point of "to do it, do it" - if a player says "I'm making an investigation move", you're contractually obligated to ask "cool, what do you do?", in no small part because the cause determines the stakes and effect - after all, you can't exactly find something that's never been on paper in a library, can you? But you can then feed that piece of information forward. It's a bit more explicit in Forged in the Dark games, but it's always mentioned directly.

[@orelyosif5852]

@@TymofiiLisovychenko What's "PbtA"?

[@TymofiiLisovychenko]

@@orelyosif5852 Powered by the Apocalypse, a design philosophy(Vincent Baker says so; system is good enough) which started with Apocalypse World, which is also a thing that City of Mist uses, except it's mildly modified: a typical PbtA game uses stats that are a bit more familiar even if game specific, while City of Mist uses a more freeform Fate-like approach(compare and contrast Aspects, even though Fate also uses skill scores)

[@orelyosif5852]

@@TymofiiLisovychenko A question of prefference, I guess

[@Blargaha]

Dammit, now I have to get the core set

[@antoniomromo]

Aww I just bought the big book bundle last weekend. Now I wish I had held off until the KS for the new book. The game sounds awesome though.

[@adamsvrzic3135]

My man Logan, your 1st character sounds like SCP-106.

[@baitposter]

*Need* a video on running a City of Mist game in a D&D setting 👌

[@yavorvlaskov5404]

Been thinking about it considering how fresh it sounds, and honestly your best bet would be focusing more on narrative and making something based in Sharn (Eberron).

[@erikwilliams1562]

The fact I recognized the Miraculous clip hurt my soul...

[@weezact7]

CoM's success/failure system reminds me a lot of Avatar: Legends's system.

[@silverwingwarlock3755]

Yes more City of Mist

[@actortimmah42]

I'd love to see some more in depth CoM.

[@davidpaulos2943]

Wicked ones is also pretty dope

[@2030games]

Have to chime in to say that City of Mist is AMAZING! By far my favorite system I've ever played, and I've played a lot! Anyone who's on the fence, take this comments section to heart and go check it out :)

[@pirateking56128]

If you enjoy city of mist, you may be interested in a game within the same system called Masks. It's superhero based, so if that seems like it might be fun to you, I highly recommend it.

[@UnNuclear]

I'd love for you to check out Savage Worlds Adventure Edition. It's a blast.

[@Chichaetomate]

don't know who the crimson king is... but i think whatever he does... it just works

[@hollismccray3297]

At the start of the video, you talk about a one-shot he'd previously written that got you invited back for Local Legends. Which case was it? I'm curious.

[@AssimilateAndChill]

Oh wow, I’ve been looking for a system I could use to run a game in the Pact universe and this looks fucking perfect.

[@noblesseoblige319]

I really wished you did more of a comparison. Like, what makes the spotlight thing better or worse? Is the lack of hp an issue or a boon? Does dnd do anything better Than city of mist? I get its sponsored, but it feels more like it was written by son of oak when all that's discussed is "here's six things that are in CoM, and here are two things in dnd that are the equivalent to two of those CoM things " I know Logan isn't a sellout, and I know son of oak didn't have a huge hand in what was said. But it *feels* like it.

[@ElvenPrince]

My tables go to is index card rpg. Super easy to learn and really simple overall

[@DemonicEngineer]

I went into this being mad that so many people are leaving D&D 5e.. But now i also wanna play this game

[@Cyryvy]

I like to roll dice, too. Not enough crunch.

[@Rynewulf]

I think this system is less popular by a million miles than D&D for similar reasons most 1 page rpgs are well received as a concept but dont have any staying power. Its up to the CM and players to invent EVERYTHING lorewise and almost all rules are so simplified that it all feels the same. It lacks the tactile fun of the older more cumbersome ttrpg's, where using a different weapon or spell needs completely different types of clicky clacky dice and just about every physical action or reality has a prewritten rule to wrestle with and every character and location in an adventure has a predefined nature to explore. And sure if you like spontaneous fun the time to stop and check can be killer, but for most people it looks like they enjoy bouncing off a detailed rule framework instead of personally inventing the concept and description of a fireball anytime they do anything, that ultimately falls a little flat with playing identically to any other ability. Its why people outside of game designers didnt like 4e D&D, interchangeable rulesets just feel video gamey and hand wavy in a way a thick tome rarely needed rules doesnt

[@vellor9145]

Never heard of city of mist, just played dungeon world. I had my issues with that system and was homebrewing a whole new system akin to it, but those issues seem to have been completely fixed by city of mist .... I'm having a brain orgasm , why have I never heard of this before

[@denexki]

But like what if I want the concept of spell lists and classes and skill points but want it more digestible?

[@aenorist2431]

1:15 "And what fallbacks it has" Drawbacks, Logan, those are called drawbacks. Am I being a nitpicky git? Yes Does it matter? No Good vidja, interesting system, thanks for bringing it up.

[@NobodyDungeons]

I had a guy who had the ability to harden flesh to make it really tough. So, I ended up turning a guys heart into a rock, and he died.

[@NobodyDungeons]

13 classes now with the artificer

[@zachb982]

Please do a video on how to make powers for mutants and masterminds (if you play it), every guide just vomits the textbook back at you

[@starbomber]

Seems very close to powered by the appocalypse.

[@bloodiedporcelain6320]

I honestly find CoM harder, personally. I hate systems that lack measuring stick mechanics and how effective your character is mechanically is purely based on how much you can bend backwards to justify why your card should let you do the thing you want to do. I think it's inherently bad game design because it means no one ever starts off at the same level of potential effectiveness because it's *purely* based on how much someone can/is willing to BS in the moment. I've played CoM and other PBTA style games and while I have enjoyed myself, they're not games I recommend to newer players who frequently get intimidated by needing to "perform well".

[@Obsiduction]

It would be a great series if, as a primarily 5e player, you were to try regularly some other popular games in a one shot and compare with D&D