Karen Read Trial Live: Day 18 (Afternoon)

[@imperialgirl4858]

The best info from this stream is Runkle's advice not to soak a corpse in booze. 😆

[@SheriMarshall-cz3gs]

The audacity of charging Karen for DUI but not charge any of those drunk Alberts and all the underage drinkers. Just outrageous!

[@wandad1799]

Right?!

[@plscarney1646]

Double right. And underage drinking with parents knowledge. The Alberts and McCabes should watch the Crumbley Parents Trial

[@jenmck23]

​@@plscarney1646don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious but that's very very different. Some parents would rather have their children be drinking in their own homes if they are going to do it. I'm not excusing drinking and driving of anyone adults or teens, but that's truly like comparing apples and oranges. Is it irresponsible parenting choices to allow them to drink and potentially drive, absolutely, but those Crumbley parents and these parents are very different. There is no excuse for drinking and driving regardless of age, but what those parents let "slip through the cracks", to straight up handing him is very different. I understand drinking and driving results in death, but they didn't hand their intoxicated teen a key to a car and give him permission to break the law like those parents blatantly did with a gun and getting around gun laws, especially after being alerted to very concerning things that was flagged by the school.

[@Pamlandy2]

@@jenmck23 I agree...the two are different. But the crumblys didn't just hand their kid a gun. But, they DID neglect to lock the gun. IMHO, THAT is what clinched it for me.

[@plscarney1646]

If you have been injured by a DUI Driver, I believe you have a different perspective on these adults and underage drinkers. I was 3 years old when a DUI Driver didn't secure his load of copper pipes. When he accelerated the pipes slid crashing through my mother's windshield. I was in the back seat. One of those pipes hit me in the head practically removing my ear. The second DUI teenage, hit my parents head on. My parents were hospitalized for months. Myself and 3 siblings were put in temporary foster care. I have a very strong opinion on drunk driving. A car can be a very dangerous weapon.

[@yellowpillNP]

“Holy crap this guy remembers his testimony! That’s new and exciting, we haven’t seen that all trial” 😂

[@philcapernaros7815]

I think Fowler went into pathology so he never had to speak with a patient.

[@corasavage6849]

I know the poor guy! I think he would've enjoyed a tooth extraction without anesthesia more.

[@ktmualem]

Lol

[@aenithharper2417]

That is exactly the type of person that goes into pathology.

[@Steve-YT383]

1:01:23 Shoutout to Mercyhurst!! Also went ro school in Eries, but attended Behrend

[@MiddleAgeGoddess]

When Ian said “this could be the cctv footage or Debbie does dallas 72” I was rolling 🤣😂

[@LexieJay00]

Found you through Emily (who is busy today). You are hilarious! I love her commentary but you had me rolling 😂

[@Elleffe]

Love Emily and Runkle is a national treasure!

[@Kvhealth]

"That snow couldnt hide a dog poop " 😂

[@JoyceAnderson-wq5oc]

Didn’t even cover the soles of their shoes, hardly any tire tracks.

[@JoyceAnderson-wq5oc]

Exactly!

[@thehutch7728]

18 THOUSAND views! So happy for Runkle!

[@hope7144]

up to 22K now ! Runkle Rocks!!!!

[@annm9589]

Sadly, not everyone hits the like 👍. I wish they would.

[@PettyMomma]

@@hope7144 54 ;o)

[@Anony-Mouse13]

54,339!! 🎉

[@lizoliver6193]

54k now! ❤

[@carolynwilson7806]

So, Karen is the only one that we don’t have any testimony on how much she drank. No one reported her as having any signs of intoxication. And yet, she was charged with DUI. None of this makes any sense,

[@annm9589]

The blood alcohol number they extrapolated will be argued about later… I assume when defense puts on their case. Wide range. Everyone said she was fine. No evidence of intoxication. I counted 1 1/2 drink from video we were shown assuming it was Alcoholic. I known ppl with ms can not take field sobriety test because they fail them sober. I wonder about the blood draw?

[@stephanied6451]

But she also admitted to not remembering dropping O'Keefe off 😕

[@davidreece5867]

@@stephanied6451that’s what Jen and Kerry claimed. Jen not only discredited herself, but Jen’s testimony as well.

[@Elleffe]

@@stephanied6451she didn’t admit anything. We heard about this from witnesses who have not performed well on the stand

[@stephanied6451]

@Elleffe Kerry seemed to be a credible witness if she's the one that said that. If it came from Jenn then well..

[@KellieBell]

OMG 2:26:30 Runkle: "It could be literally anything from... ummm.... umm... umm... the CCTV footage to.. umm.... umm... " Me: *Crossing fingers* "Please say Debbie Does Dallas, Please say Debbie Does Dallas. Say it!" Runkle: "Debbie Does Dallas No 92." I knew we were on the same brain wavelength.

[@HighlandBhoy]

18 days and still no evidence that Karen did it.

[@Songbirdstress]

At least they proved he's dead.

[@midn8588]

We have some evidence she did it. I think we just have far more evidence that someone else did it, or that at least there was a large effort to try and cover up what truly happened.

[@poemofbriarrose5613]

“Oh, tell us slow about the labels printing” 😂😂 Runkle you are an absolute gem ✨

[@LabradorsofNorway]

00:00:00 Intro - Ian stressing out everybody (whatdoyouMEAN you haven’t bought plane tickets yet?!?) Also, summary of the morning 00:10:30 Testimony by Dr. Gary Faller 00:59:40 Testimony by Nicholas Roberts 01:43:00 Testimony by Michael Trotta 02:12:20 Testimony by Louis Dutres 02:39:00 Summary and superchats

[@wendygorman1027]

Runkle you’re a trooper for covering these dry witnesses today.

[@danielortman2527]

They don't let the wet ones in the courtroom.

[@debikaip3699]

This plow guy just doesn’t remember , 🤷‍♀️😂

[@TrustButtVerify]

Based on the testimony and videos we've seen so far these are the only dry people in Canton MA.

[@yellowpillNP]

Runkle to Runkle: I’ll stream live today itll be fun and prob get spicy! Also Runkle to Runkle: aaannddd it’s a rare day of expert testimony

[@bethlovesthings]

"nothing more exciting about plow scheduling" Sir, you are an INTERNATIONAL treasure

[@psychologynerd0423]

Has anyone else wondered “what if the jury convicts her?” The more bizarre this case gets the more I think about it. However, the commonwealth isn’t done. So maybe I’ll feel differently 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t know anymore.

[@SonjaHamburg]

As IT guy, i would store a copy of everything the police wants. They might lose it and ask again.

[@wonder5487]

This trial will never end with two more days off next week and a half day. We'll still be on Prosecution's case after week 6

[@ESPHMacD]

The fact that Day 18 and we've barely got into any form of expert witnesses............... 😒

[@Rowgue51]

Yeah all the half days and weeks with only one or two days of testimony and allowing a hundred witnesses to spend an hour testifying about all the same completely irrelevant facts and having fifteen minute long sidebars for every substantive objection don't really seem to suggest she is any particular hurry to get this trial done. But she's also the one that decided to push forward with the trial despite both sides wanting to wait for the federal investigation to conclude and the feds warming her that she would be setting a lot of people up for perjury charges if she insisted on going forward. And she's the one that is constantly demanding the defense move along when they're in the middle of a very relevant and completely proper line of questioning.

[@wonder5487]

@@ESPHMacD I think some of today's were supposed to be? But they didn't do anything to make that clear. I mean the ER doc, and the two discussing the labs (One was Mr Roberts, I don't remember the other's name.) I think the state was claiming them as experts, but not super clear at all.

[@ACandRS]

We have only just had a treating medical professional confirm John died. Good lord.

[@cindycalderon455]

I think Andrea said there are still another 40 or so prosecution witnesses to go. We'll be wishing Runkle a Merry Christmas before Lally gets around to putting out his case 🎅😂

[@JamieDoe472]

Runkle the reason why they can search it once it's out at the curb is because they don't need a warrant. If it has been discarded then it's public and open to be used for whatever evidentiary purposes law enforcement has. The dumpsters on the military base is NOT the same at all. They would need a warrant to gain access to the base. It's not public property.

[@Songbirdstress]

So I was wondering why military base.

[@psychologynerd0423]

@@Songbirdstressbecause military bases are federal property and not open to the public. They house information that is sensitive to national security. Now what id love to know is if United States post offices and etc fall into this same category. My guess is yes.

[@magicalmary2706]

Catching on replay. @Runkle - I do not know how you are doing this with no sleep. You are a super elf!! ⭐️

[@Kathogenic]

Lab tech here. Just survived our CAP inspection.

[@pretty.odd.]

SCREAMING at Runkle, a white Canadian, being like, 'what is up w/ Canton? only white people?' i thought i was the only one thinking it 😂😂

[@yellowpillNP]

Same!! I was like wait is this the first black person in this trial so far??

[@cindycalderon455]

What, if any, ground did any of these witnesses today make for the CW? Omg, if I'm on the jury, it's taking every ounce of self control to keep myself from standing up and screaming "Mr. Lally, sir, do you have a case to present or do you not? FFS". My heart went out to you today, Ian, but helluva job sticking this one out!

[@Arvanlife]

do you mean, "Mister Lally, sir, what if any case do you have to present to us and when if anywhen to you intend to start presenting it?!"

[@kristilm4569]

@@Arvanlifeyes!! 😂

[@TruthInBeauty]

I take an NADH supplement for chronic fatigue and I don't drink at all, but the test they used would make it look like I do.

[@copicgirl8057]

I suffered from chronic fatigue (being bedbound) years ago and still do a little bit. It was from breast implants. I really hope you will be better some day! ❤

[@maikolosav]

​@@copicgirl8057 wow, did you remove the implants? I'm glad you are feeling better.

[@BlaktruthBeck]

Unless there are zero alcohol swabs in ED, it is absolutely possible that there was contamination. I have personally phoned a prosecutor before to let them know that a blood sample they were using as evidence may be contaminated. This is because in an ED we are very busy and unless there is a police officer standing next to you it is easy to go into autopilot and not think about the type of swab used when collecting blood where it seems routine and there is no indication that it is evidentiary.

[@cricketcalin]

Yeah, I work as a med tech (processing blood/DNA that's collected) and the number of times we have to reject a specimen because they gave us the wrong type of tube or wrong type of sample happens at least a few times a week and that's non-emergency medicine. Mistakes happen.

[@elenaalejandra1372]

​@@cricketcalin😊

[@missmishka8379]

Replay crew: Pausing at 1:45:00 to groan again @ the witness order. I thought we were into the medical experts, but NO, here's a random public works person to remind us it was snowing that night. Why wasn't he called after the first responding officers who testified whether the roads were plowed????

[@JanetCarroll-zz9lr]

Love your sense of humor Runkle!😂

[@kelseyhenry1167]

Runkle, I’m so happy that you get to meet EDB. My dream is to meet you both with Rob! Wish I could attend this meet n greet! Have fun!! Safe travels. (Fellow law nerd)

[@ericapickering8101]

Saaaaame. I’m only 2.5-3 hours away from Nashville, but the meetup falls on my husband’s birthday & he has zero interest in going to a big event. 😂

[@Firebelle504]

Replay crew here ! I am SO glad I am today ! I was able to fast forward through some of that painful blood testing testimony. I felt bad for him. Thanks Runkle ! Safe travels and have a great time in Nashville !

[@SarahHam33]

Awww I just got to Mr. Trotta’s testimony, protect this sweet man, he looks so nervous 💜

[@annm9589]

I like Mr. Trotta and he clearly likes his trucks and plows. I love it when someone likes his job. 💜

[@peanutty3632]

As a medical Lab Tech I can pretty much assure you that the pathologist has never ran a single blood test in that lab. The Medical Director has a very important role in the hospital lab, as in without them signing off on a test or procedure it cannot be performed. They are overall responsible for every test that is turned out but do not actually perform any of the tests.

[@debikaip3699]

He wore green today 🍀 he is a man that is down to earth! 🤣🤣🤣 He takes his job seriously! He proud of his job & how he runs it .

[@annelucke-gb8gb]

What if anything did you seek a degree in?? Lally's best question yet!

[@M1dn1ght999]

On day 18 the judge realises how long this trial will go and now wants to do longer days

[@MoonDragon1]

I cringe with blood draws. They have a hard time finding veins to draw blood from me too 😬

[@ateenipeterson]

Dr. ASMR has a lot of faith in people following blood collection procedures for the town of solo cups and grocery bags

[@SusanHigginbotham-o3b]

Ian have a great time at Crime Con. Love you are hanging with Emily this weekend. Great friends you are

[@MrBalloonHanz]

58:29 chewing tobacco will make you blow an insanely high number as well. 😅 Learned that the scary way at my first random urinalysis/breathalyzer in the Marines. 😂

[@4thekids531]

Only Runkle can make the chat laugh with a boring ass witness! 👏 Also, laughing every time Runkle said “blow” today 😂

[@podunkcitizen2562]

How was the proficiency exam a few years ago at the state crime lab when one technician was making up results, saying everything was drugs and doing the drugs herself? This resulted in tens of thousands of drug cases thrown out and she did time.

[@madeline3868]

There two scandals at the same time! Two drug labs in MA with completely bogus and questionable results that the state attempted hides from individuals convicted from evidence tested in those so called labs

[@ktmualem]

Was that the same lab from the Netflix documentary?

[@annm9589]

That sounds interesting, what was it called?

[@JamieDoe472]

Good call that did all happen in Massachusetts.

[@podunkcitizen2562]

Look up Annie Dookhan Mass. State Crime lab.

[@elhamilton1642]

So I am behind and I am on the part with the blood guy…. I really think this might be your cure for insomnia!! I’m sure he is a very nice man but it’s hard to stay focused.

[@cathygarton917]

I am in Dallas Texas and just got cell phone service back today! No power yet but at least I can watch @Runkke

[@sadie7294]

if they have no alcohol swabs, their infectious disease dept must be poppin'

[@kathybenes3137]

🎉thanks for working so hard

[@Emilysocal_]

I manage a toxicology lab, and a lot of my friends and I are lab rats. It’s a very introverted field, and there’s so many specifications and SOP’s, we’re very much juggling all this minutia constantly in the lab that sometimes we forget how dense and compacted the language sounds outside of the lab. My boyfriend has absolutely glazed over when I’m going over specifics of things happening within the lab lol

[@lemonsherbet8741]

I’m not in toxicology but I cheered when they mentioned iso17025 😅

[@matthewa8713]

Runkle I felt your pain too with some of these witnesses

[@davidreece5867]

Either Canton was really slow in taking down their Christmas lights, or that wasn’t taken from 29 Jan.

[@davidlopan7152]

blessed St. Dennis! This guy could put insomniacs to sleep! Is the defense even questioning if she was drinking?!

[@sarcasticcatlady2036]

Thanks for streaming the trial today! Much appreciated ❤

[@psychologynerd0423]

“Now that I just took a sip of that if I took a breathalyzer test I’d come up “this guy is dead.” 😂

[@JoyceAnderson-wq5oc]

Where’s all this snow they keep talking about, I see just a very slight dusting here and there.

[@lemonsherbet8741]

Woohoo for uni of Glasgow chemistry dept graduates. It’s made my day that he’s from my uni honestly… geek out.

[@lornetc]

The way the old guy said “alright” when he got up from the stand sounded *exactly* like my dad when were saying bye on the phone

[@effy_kujo]

So sad I missed the second live, but happy to be on the replay #ganggang

[@JustSomeDude2161]

Grab a coffee.

[@effy_kujo]

@@JustSomeDude2161 I'm only just getting to the pathologists cross... I now understand the assignment 🥱

[@mouse589c5]

Replay crew - struggling with a headache so lay down on the bed. Fell asleep during some droning man talking pathology, woke to "it could be a copy of 'Debby does Dallas 72'!!!" and thought "what have I missed???!!! 😂 Turns out - nothing.

[@paulamos8970]

I feel your pain for expert witnesses who are full of their own inportance with a Prosecutor who has nothing to work with. So goes for word salad to bore the jury to bit's !

[@BlaktruthBeck]

Nurse Beck here. - I have concerns with the blood alcohol testing of Karen Read - there is a different procedure for collecting an evidentiary blood draw. PARTICULARLY for testing blood alcohol, you can’t clean the skin with an chlorhex/alcohol wipe as you do with a normal draw as it contaminates the evidence and leads to a false increased reading. I doubt this procedure was followed for a MH assessment. The Blood alcohol evidence is unreliable in this case. Also no chain of custody as is normally req.

[@effy_kujo]

The pathologist said it was procedure to use a non-alcoholic wipe, but even still, the prosecution has no clue when she had her last drink which is imperative go the conversion & defense pretty much proved KRs BAC to HAVE been wrong based on that assumption alone. There were many other reasons that BAC guesstimate should be thrown out. The conversion on the high-end pretty much implied alcohol poisoning or close to it, all the while every witness has already stated that KR didn't seem impaired at all! No slurring or stumbling or drunk-like behaviors.

[@ateenipeterson]

Yeah!! And they didn’t even collect the blood in a solo cup either??

[@Songbirdstress]

@@ateenipeterson 😀

[@peanutty3632]

Honestly hearing the the phlebotomy supervisor took away almost all alcohol pads from the ED makes me think that this policy is not being followed properly. I mean you have the policy in place, you train people, you have competencies, but people will do what they want.

[@heyjudevancouver]

Runkle - you are an absolute delight!

[@margueritemitchell1829]

Hello from ❤ Beautiful British Columbia Canada 🇨🇦 Replay, "second half"

[@Kevin-if6vp]

Very good strategy to have Ms. Little question these witnesses

[@kristilm4569]

Agree!

[@grammerskoolboy]

Have you another witness Lally. no ....THANK GOD 🤣🤣🤣

[@effy_kujo]

Safe travels @Runkle have fun 😊

[@suelillard87]

I love slap happy Ian 😊

[@SWFL-BOK]

Yay🎉rest Runkle you made it. Enjoying your podcast

[@bridgett039]

I’m only on the first witness but Runkle, you are so funny. And the pan to the audience is hysterical. I’ve never seen more people wishing for death

[@KellieBell]

I'd have given defense a nickel to ask mr. boring lab guy if they ever use red solo cups for sampling...

[@bluebell1]

Thanks for the coverage Ian! Get some rest and enjoy date night!

[@blockhartinabox]

"This day is a BM" 😄😄 Best line of the day Runkle, hands down.

[@sarahd632]

I wonder if her MS medications affect the way the alcohol metabolizes. Although, previous testimony from Kari Albert who were with Karen when she was out looking for John said that Karen said the last time she remembered seeing John was at the Waterfall and then Jen McCabe told her that she saw her at the house where he was found. Medications can do some things.

[@SWFL-BOK]

🎉finally an honest witness from the MSP.

[@weary1989]

"This guy walks into a room and some nice young woman goes to college" - Runkle

[@Beth-mi2hf]

I laughed when he said that for some reason 😂

[@mrsharpie7899]

0.93 Is the Demoman from TF2's BAC. Also I'd be horrified if anything that I was drinking was 7% blood. I'm surprised the defense didn't say to the doctor "I'm sorry you were made to come out here."

[@melissagilby3959]

I’m cheating on EDB 🤫😂 Love your commentary Runkle 😁

[@greengrendel]

The leprechaun was great. "if we're in a plowable situation" :D

[@elleoust1852]

❤ thanks for streaming. Woo replaying again. 😂I don’t think I can survive the CWs questions a 2nd time.

[@elizabethortega1902]

Justice for Dr.faller!! He seems so sweet! Leave him alone.

[@Nannygoat-h8o]

The poor guy was practically swallowing the microphone FFS ...Auntie Bev must be PMSing.

[@elysemckenzie3334]

If she was 0.09 at 9am in the morning, and she left the bar 9 hours earlier, unless she kept drinking throughout the early hours she would have been blind drunk at midnight.

[@davidreece5867]

The blood sample taken at the hospital was for treatment and not part of an investigation. The state forensic guy had to do a BAC conversion calculation, which had a range and the mean measurement of.081. He did a retrograde extrapolation using the time given to him by the state investigators of 1245AM. The range he came up with of .13 to .29. He admitted under cross that if the time she had consumed been different then his calculations would be different

[@pamhillard2310]

Thanks for covering!

[@effy_kujo]

Mouthwash almost got me in trouble during a breathalyzer, lol

[@amandacomeau3478]

Karen must have drank more after coming home. surely if she were THAT drunk, people would have noticed some intoxication symptoms. perhaps she came home alone after dropping off John and got plastered drunk before falling asleep expecting not to need to leave the house again that night. Just speculation sure but I don't know how she could have been that drunk with no one noticing. Wouldn't John, who cared enough for her wellbeing to be sure the garage was available for her to park during the storm, have said "let me drive, you're drunk."

[@davidreece5867]

She didn’t have to get plastered. She could have had a couple of belts after finding John’s body. The state has zero credible evidence that Karen drove drunk

[@jackjon7763]

Or the blood draw was contaminated

[@snegglepuss6669]

>Runkle talking about leaving leprechaun toys for the Plow King to tease him Watch him say they're great and start taking fashion tips from them

[@tatertotter808]

thanks for streaming Runkle! What a boring boring day of trial! It put me to sleep 3 times and I just finally got through 2 days later :) I guess it was lucky we only had 1 trial day this week LOL enjoy CrimeCon!! I wish I knew about it sooner. Would love to meet yall one day

[@myfluffyflufferton]

Gosh! This doc’s testimony rivals Doc Spiegel’s from Depp v. Heard. Odd

[@donnafisher6212]

I understand Mrs. Runkle’s pain.

[@paulacosgrove2231]

Why did that doctor NOT MOVE THE MIC!!! SIR! move it to below your mouth!!!! When he tried to move it, he literally just touches it!

[@bg6b7bft]

This guy is so wholesome, he probably still has both his dog and his phone.

[@Anjeecm]

It's interesting they the pathologist was doing all that blocking during direct. During cross he's looking at the attorney, listening, and speaking clearly.

[@shinma]

Watch any of the CSI TV series and you will see the Thermo Fisher brand on the lab equipment.

[@debbygross3688]

He looks like Ed Asner. I’m aging myself. LOL

[@SarahHam33]

Omg yes! Mr. Grant! But way nicer it seems 😅

[@PrettyEyezT]

Oh youre telling me they handled karens blood responsibly but the officer that lost his life they used red solo cups and a used garbage bag gtfoh

[@tracylynn3623]

Thanks for covering this today Live❤ get some sleep🛌

[@brittmyzone8agarden]

Would someone please explain why the judge will repeat what the defense has asked instead of sustaining? Is this a legal thing or is that her own way of saying she’ll allow it ?

[@seanrutledge2953]

Worth watching if only for the moment Legolas calls the leprechaun green, lol.

[@Steve-YT383]

48:46 "There are some issu- ". -yikes forever

[@Cwtchaholic]

Canton is the new Bermuda Triangle!

[@SassySouthernSusan]

Replay crew: Get well to Mrs. Runkle! Working on getting my passport also-fun lol

[@JustMinx]

The tie is missing from the doorknob. Is it headed to Nashville?

[@bekkahangel]

Yup. Runkle grabbed it this morning on stream to remember to pack it. 😊

[@Courage2bwell]

❤do we know where in Ca Rob moved to?

[@auraclesong7208]

Really liked Mr. Roberts. Very honest testimony. Liking Mr. Trotta. He kinda reminds me of my late uncle Billy (who was from MA) but we don't have any Trottas in the family that I know of. Interesting that he said Michael Porter though as there are Porters in MA that I'm related to.

[@nitpickersheadliceremoval3805]

We do breath alcohol on the scene of any accidents if higher than the .05 we have to wait then repeat if still high the authorities or we can request a blood alcohol to confirm.