New Balance 860 V14 Review: The 860 does a 180

[@philsalcedo5076]

i love the new balance 860 v14. my first stability shoes. it really helps me in my runs. the only cons that i can think of is that its not that breathable like the other shoes.

[@RunMoore]

Thanks for watching. Glad to hear you're enjoying your 860!

[@juliebrown2050]

Thank you so much for your review! It explains why I’ve been experiencing so much foot fatigue. I’ve never needed to read reviews for this shoe - it’s always worked for me. Until now. If only I had read the 1 star reviews on NB before buying. So many people disappointed with this new version.

[@ck346]

New balance really screwed up this release with a huge core of the base users of those needing a stable supportive platform.

[@Bread_n_Butter.]

I just went to return a couple pair of Altra brand shoes I JUST purchased yesterday to find on sale with amazon today. The store I went in just so happened to have these and I tried them and had to have em. I've been big on stability. I actually liked them a little more than the vongo v6 I got from them a couple of weeks ago so I'm taking them back later today. lol I'm a nurse and predominately got these for walking around at work in a hospital, so glad he mentioned the "got them for work" element.

[@RunMoore]

Glad to hear you liked the 860. It is one of our favorites in the midweight cushion stability shoe category. We hope they work well for you!

[@progressthroughpain]

Terrific shoes. Also sold my Altra's.

[@daniliveslifec577]

This is the most comfortable shoe I have tried on this year. So good!

[@SurferKroky]

Love my olive 860 v14's . Soooo comfy and straightens out my wonky left foot landing lol.

[@Azamoraperez]

I never tried the previous versions. I came over to new balance from brooks. I’m really enjoying my first pair so far

[@lrlevy]

I have the v12. My everyday walking shoes. I live near the New Balance factory and get all the latest updates on sale

[@KurniadiPrathomo-sp5zd]

Lucky lad

[@jbenny81]

These have been my go-to for several pairs now. I am an over-pronator who strikes my heel on the outside. Sounds like the changes have made them no longer a fit for me. Thoughts?

[@Joe_Blo]

860 sales were protected to keep the price up because it was sold by doctors & orthotic specialists. The previous versions really needed to be fitted, and would not have pleased a lot of runners compared with the 880 & 1080. Its significantly heavier & clunkier. Returns from online sales would have been high had they allowed them.

[@zachflores1505]

I love the 860 v14!!!

[@grcigar9911]

When did ‘stability’ become a bad thing to running shoe companies? Did runners who need stability abandon the tried and true technologies, or did young marketing execs decide they knew better than their customers?

[@assiemodem6654]

The latter, hence why everyone deals with injuries. Asics and NB are stepping up and closing the gap in the market

[@ck346]

You have these young marketing people that like to make unnecessary changes. Not every shoe needs to be soft. New Balance is the worst of testers of these 100lb people and say the shoe is perfect. In reality that is not who is purchasing the shoe.

[@QueenJaneway]

Hokas are trendy so everyone wants that but it doesn't suit everyone, like me lol. I'm getting these soon. Even Nike's Pegasus is a tiny bit too soft for me. Feels unstable and that I'm sinking into the ground.

[@christinacollins7235]

Agree with your assessment. The outward slant was actually too much for me.

[@iakona23]

Forget about stability shoes or not, the 860 v14 is the best daily trainer that you sell in your store period! It runs like a neutral shoe with good stability. If they would have brought this exact same shoe out and called it the New Balance Jetstream V1, then they could have marketed it to a much wider audience. It’s better than the 1080 if you like a more controlled and bouncy midsole, less soft and mushy than 1080. 880 is trash, don’t even talk about that one. Saucony Ride 17 would be something roughly comparable to the 860 v14.

[@Txman299]

What new balance shoe would you recommend for protecting against supination?

[@RunMoore]

You should be fine in one of their neutral options like the 880v14 or the 1080v14. Both of their stability options, the 860v14 and the Vongo v6, tend to help with pronation, but don't do much for you if you supinate.

[@khalilalz]

I use the kayano30 but i feel that the shoes is very big but same time it works amazing good for over pronation, the new 860 looks very nice , should i buy it?

[@RunMoore]

If you want a lighter shoe with a lower stack height and don't mind a little less cushion, the 860 is a good option to check out. It will still help prevent your overpronation with the plate in the midsole and the dual-density foam, only in a more minimal package.

[@khalilalz]

@@RunMoore thanks , will check it out

[@MegaYummyjelly]

I am also deciding on the kayano 30 and he 860 v14 for over pronation. Which of the two would you recommend for walking and standing all day? ​@@RunMoore

[@nancyneartoronto]

Really helpful review, thanks!

[@ck346]

With this update the 860 has left it’s roots and has minimal arch support now. This is no longer a stability shoe. My 880v10 are way more stable. A friend is a podiatrist and this was his go to shoe. Off to other brands after years of a great supportive shoe.

[@RunMoore]

While we always like to use arch support and stability interchangeably, they are different. Arch support is how high the arch profile is and how much it supports the arch. Stability is the technology built into the shoe to help prevent overpronation (sometimes supination as well). The 860v14 still has good stability for overpronation, but it definitely has a noticeably less aggressive arch profile.

[@deshpillay6716]

​@RunMoore Well Said. Thanks for that. I'm an over pronator who has relied on traditional stability shoes in the past (arch support, medial post etc..) however the modern stability technology has given us the 4D guidance system and the new V14 plate that has ensured genuine stability in a less intrusive way.

[@ck346]

@@RunMoore The arch support is a drastic reduction than the past versions. Even the 880V11 I find more stable and has more arch support than the newer 860V14. I really see no reason for New Balance to make every shoe like standing on marsh mellows and taking away the arch support in every model which they are on the role of. I have a good friend that is a podiatrist and New Balance was her go to shoe she said for years and now since New Balance has radically changed all the shoes to a very soft, not as supportive platform she dropped them.

[@geekaykopter4059]

Please advise me for other stability shoes, I am still using my 860 v10 more over 2000 km when I try a new v.14 I feel my v10 still better than this shoe, thank you.

[@progressthroughpain]

I can tell you haven't tried the 860 v14 ​@@ck346

[@JohnDoe-ko3eb]

4:12 - That info is a saviour for me, thank you ! 💙 Im looking for shoes which to me closest possible to Odyssey React. If you have any suggestions, please tell me.

[@candymancini7821]

It's messing my mind up when he says something but goes the opposite way. So, he was saying when you're foot basically goes inward then these are for you and not really for ppl that their ankles go out yet he was showing the shoe go the opposite.

[@jeretso]

Can you ask for more colors especially darker soles to hide the platform look? I have a previous version but they widened the shoe so I guess I need a Narrow now?

[@DiggerPrints0814]

Starting my running journey at the beginning of last year, I was looking for something with cushion and everyday mileage. I'm currently at the end of life for my third pair of V13's (Approx 1000 ks per pair) I'm about to dive into a pair of V14's and hoping they go as well as the V13's :)

[@RunMoore]

Awesome! Super happy to hear! I think you'll enjoy the updated cushioning on the V14!

[@progressthroughpain]

They're the best shoes I've ever run in.

[@vanvihung8982]

How is your experience with v14?

[@DiggerPrints0814]

@@vanvihung8982 haven't had a chance to try as my local shop had a pair of V13's left in my size at a great price. Maybe another two or so months and I'll need to get the V14's.

[@mmjose76]

Hi Steve, what in your opinion would be the top 2 or 3 shoes to try for supination? I also need 4E width and have bunion issues…all a result of previous foot injuries. No real running….,only walking and some occasional light running. Max cushion would be good too as my injuries were underfoot. Sorry about the tough ask! Much appreciate a response from you.

[@RunMoore]

Our number one choice (and customers' favorite for pronation and supination) would recommend the Brooks Beast as our top choice. It is the most stable maximum cushion shoe we offer. It has a wide base with a straighter last compared to other models making it very stable. Alongside the geometry, the Beast is also equipped with the GTS Guiderail system that cups your heel in a firmer foam that prevents your foot from rolling inwards and outwards. The only downside you might find from the Beast is the firmer cushioning. While it is a maximum cushioned shoe, it has a firmer foam compared to some of the other maximum cushion models out there. This helps make the shoe the maximum support Beast that it is, at the cost of that plush feeling you would have in, say, a Hoka model.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

Great video as always. I totally remember when NB reserved the 860's for run specialty only. Even the 1260 was not reserved. I also remember when some vendors sent out letters to all the small run specialty stores that we all were not allowed to sell their shoes on our own websites or third party sites. Thanks some vendors for helping out the small guys. 🤣 All jokes (not really) aside the current 880 is seriously fantastic as with the new 840. Vongo is interesting, but that rounded heel can feel odd for some just as it does on the 1080. I like how this new 860 compliments the Vongo's neutral support. Anyway..............these are great videos! Please support small independently owned shops like Run Moore!

[@RunMoore]

Thanks for watching! I appreciate all the support for the channel.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@RunMoore well deserved. I do the same and I know how much work goes into to it.

[@sherifsalem2115]

Why is this shoe for walking and not using for running? Is it heavy or is its design uncomfortable? Does this apply to the previous model 860v13?

[@sonnyca]

I was recently in the market for running shoes and my first stop was the New Balance store because I believed that they offer a better fit for my wide toes. That was two years ago when I purchased the 1080v12. Since then, there have been a lot of changes in the athletic shoe business across all brands. Despite being touted as a support shoe, the 860v14 failed to impress me. It felt like I'd have to use orthotics just like I do with the 1080s. The cushioning is average, and I could see my left foot collapsing on the inside. Long story short, I purchased the Saucony Hurricane 24, and it is the best pair of shoes I have ever owned. The support and cushioning on the Hurricanes are amazing and I do not have to use the frickin' orthotics. Isn't that the whole point of adding support and stability to a shoe?!

[@melindareiner9908]

I loved the Prism v1 (not the v2, which I couldn't even wear). Would this shoe be more similar or the 880? Loved the rocker on that shoe and it was somewhat responsive and not too mushy. Still working on my last pair of Prism v1 which need to be changed out. Thanks!!

[@melindareiner9908]

I also enjoyed the Beacon v1...loved the rocker, somewhat firm and supportive upper.

[@dlabtek7house904]

860 v14!🕺🏻

[@edwinpepito1498]

Vongo 6 or 860v14 ? For overall performance and stability

[@RunMoore]

I find that the Vongo can be a bit too soft and sluggish feeling if you want the best performance. Otherwise, in terms of stability, they are both about even. The 860 has a slightly straighter last giving it a hint of extra inherent stability, but the technologies the two shoes use are identical.

[@mikeogden5256]

I wear old man shoes too lol not every day but certainly in My opinion line up

[@rapid13]

I just want to know how comfy they’ll be while I drive my Corvette?

[@RunMoore]

The 860v14 has plenty of cushioning for driving without taking away from the feel of the pedals. The lower stack height (advertised 38 mm/30 mm, measured approx.. 29 mm/21 mm) of the 860 gives you a nice ground feel with the added comfort from the FreshFoam X midsole.

[@catherinewall4890]

Are these good shoes for plantar fasciitis? Thank you if anyone has any information

[@RunMoore]

This shoe would be fine for plantar fasciitis. Usually we recommend shoes with a higher arch profile for anyone that has inflammation in the plantar fascia because they give more support for your arch. A lot of times, stability shoes have a naturally higher arch profile compared to the neutral counterpart. Both the 880 and 860 would work, the 860 has a slight edge with the extra arch.

[@lthdean]

Help PLEASE. What do you recommend for a 70 year old walker ?? Thanks.

[@EzMDr]

Is this better for supination?

[@ze77766]

Do you know the difference between k14 and v14?

[@Echom4-kr5el]

Steve, does this shoe have a rocker? It doesn’t look like it does, but the website says “rocker”.

[@progressthroughpain]

Yes it does 💪

[@tysoncott7402]

The V14 860 sucks, i feel like they turned them into a 608/860 hybrid, the V13 was so so much better.

[@caclavijo]

It seems to be a 1080 v13! with better arch support

[@progressthroughpain]

I have both. They're very different. The 1080 is a lot softer and doesn't have the same energy return or pop that of the 860. The toe box on the 1080 is way too narrow it causes me pain. The heel also feels odd on the 1080, plus they don't stop me from over pronating unlike the 860 which is the best shoe I've ever owned.

[@chrish4865]

$140 is better than many of the other stability offerings out there.

[@laurenshade1442]

I'm confused. How does this compare to the Vongo v6? I feel like I'm the only person that responded well to the Vongo v5. The v6 doesn't feel like a stability shoe anymore, does the 860? Most importantly which one has the most medial support? Harder to find these days...

[@RunMoore]

The 860 definitely feels more supportive than the new Vongo. While they both have the same technology, we have received more positive reception for the 860 over the Vongo.

[@progressthroughpain]

The 860 is an absolute banger 😊

[@dansgarage4572]

I’ve started running more (health and fitness, weight loss) and got fitted for these. Maybe it’s the first time I’ve been properly “fitted” to my gait and flat feet but wow they were immediately so comfortable.

[@Munchkinz11]

so this is good for supination

[@carlosestrada8851]

As a supinator not for me. Bit great review 👍🏼

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

True. I would look at the Vongo from NB or the 880 from NB. I personally think the 880 is a really great shoe. If you want MAX cushioning from NB I have a lot of customers who like the 840 from NB and it's very well priced for the amount of cushioning at $140.

[@mmjose76]

What would you recommend for supination?

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@mmjose76 In the NB line up the ones I mentioned in my previous comment. The 880, Congo or for max cushioning the 840. 1080 is over priced since there is the 880 as it is so good and more stable than the 1080.

[@JAKETHESNAKKE]

@@PLANETWATERMELONdon’t you want max cushion for supination? The 880 is the least cushion one out of the lineup so not sure why you would recommend the 880?

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@JAKETHESNAKKE Great question. Not always. If the shoe is uber cushy and has a higher/thicker stack height that can result in more supination. Think of it like suspension in a car. Firmer suspension reduces foot...I mean car lean and rotation. Hope that helps. P.S. I have been fitting runners and professionally analyzing gait for over 25 years and have owned a run specialty shop for much of that time. Cheers!

[@tswizzle4eva578]

The v13s were the first pair of running shoes I bought and I’m convinced they’re the reason I got insane knee pain. Still suffering months later despite stopping running. Stability shoes not for me

[@MohnishPab]

Higher drop shoes do that indeed. I for example get an easily irritated achilles and lower calf. These shoes work wonders for me. But for knee pain, they're not ideal. Best would be a compromise or a rotation between lower drop and higher drop shoes.

[@donnat9882]

Not for me. This was always a favorite show. Waaaaayyyy too much pushing my foot over to the outside edge I’m a Brooks gal now

[@RunMoore]

Glad to hear you found something that works. Brooks definitely has more lateral support for people who lean to the outer edge of their feet. Hope they are working well for you!

[@Echom4-kr5el]

Ugh so upset they moved this to an 8mm drop, I need a 10 due to injury. It would’ve been perfect otherwise, especially with the plate extending further to the forefoot.

[@RunMoore]

Not just New Balance, but a lot of brands have been changing their shoes to an 8 mm drop. Asics is another big one where 3 of their main models, the Cumulus, Nimbus, and GT-2000 are all at 8 mm compared to the previous generation being at 10 mm. Brooks and Mizuno still have relatively higher heel drops in their flagship models. Both the Ghost from Brooks and Wave Rider from Mizuno still have the original 12 mm high heel drop.

[@Echom4-kr5el]

@@RunMoore the kayano 31 has been great in terms of stability and drop. I hope they don’t change that one!

[@progressthroughpain]

How pedantic I'm sure 2mm won't make a difference enough to avoid the shoe altogether

[@Echom4-kr5el]

@@progressthroughpain I have post tib and it absolutely makes a difference for me right now. No need to be insulting. Some people need higher drop shoes for various reasons.

[@stubestrong]

the clunk are people with short steps. short steps snap through the transition.

[@Stargirl-t6d]

don't like the look, more v4s are the perfect shoe

[@thomassaracco4779]

Terrible review. You said nothing about the firmness of the midsole, how the midsole is designed, whether it is as supporive as the prior version, arch support, what the pronation features are, etc.

[@leerussell451]

We look forward to your in depth review

[@Omar_Little]

Are you deaf? He explicitly discussed the pronation features and how it's unsuitable for under pronator

[@progressthroughpain]

I thought it was a great review. He answered some of the things I was wondering even if he didn't for you. Which doesn't make it terrible. Get off your high horse mate!