Roland FANTOM - Introduction to Arpeggios

In this video we demonstrate the Arpeggio section that is available in the Roland Fantom. This is an incredible function for live performance and song creation.
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[@stiktougaizeur]

I've heard (and read on the manual), that the arpeggiator on the fantom, not only is way less "intelligent" than that on the Jupiter-X(m), but can't be used to arpeggiate different patterns on different zones. Meaning you can't have magnificent duets (or more) of arpeggios kinda "responding to each other" or completing each other, as on Kebu's performance in Abbey Road Studios with the Jupiter-Xm, nor can you have drums arpeggiated on a different pattern as the bassline. So i'm gonna ask to you, Roland guys : why is that ? And why is the "flagship" less powerful than the two "subordinates" Jupiter X/Xm ? And is it planned in a coming new firmware release to catch up Fantom's arpeggios performance with its smaller brothers ?

[@ricomajestic]

Did you ever get a reply from Roland?

[@lordbachus]

Different arp/zone should be high on the to do list for an upcomming patch. An arp should be a live tool and not just a composition tool.. the competition has been doing this for quite some time now..

[@christophetofdong9085]

We should be able to program different type of arpeggios or chord memories and assign them in each zone of a scene and write the configuration. This controllers section (arp, chord and transpose) is very usefull but works too much indepedently. We need to customize and to write different config of these controllers in each Scene.

[@janosKern1]

Looks like it says “RAMDOM” @1:54

[@LouisTorres-ut4ks]

This guy everytime he does a demo on a keyboard he explains it in a way I understand, he's clear simple doesn't complicate things, from now on I'm only listening to this Man 💯

[@justaname1862]

Why all the arp and chord TOYS !!!!!!! Come on Ed...lets get down to the Sampler...or is it to embarrassing? No REAL SAMPLER (NO sample to keyboard for creating patch's or Drum kits), NO REAL SEQUENCER (No linear sequencer) NO AUDIO TRACKS, NO ABILITY to even load a Standard Midi File (SMF) What is going on at Roland?..they put all this toyish CASIO stuff like Chord memory and Arp's that NO real keyboardist uses and takes off all the true WORKSTATION CAPABILITIES...A Workstation is supposed to be "All in One Box"...NOT having to add thousands of $$$ worth of external gear like Laptops etc...i lived and breathed Roland Workstations and 8 cant believe im actually thinking about a KRONOS....simply because Roland dont manufacture a True Workstation anymore.. this attempt doesnt deserve the Fantom name...the FA was the same, a FAIL...so what does Roland do? Make a model the same and add a heap of external controls and more TOYISH Features like being able to draw waveforms on the screen (Fairlight much?) And charge 3 times the price...$6500.00 for a 76 note here and it doesnt even have a real sampler or the ability to load even an SMF wich is an industry standard....come on! Even you have to admit its a fail as a Workstation Ed...its definately not....or even a Fantom. Roland has to do some BIG OS software upgrades to make this thing even come close to its Fantom predecessors before its worth upgrading to...even then it has to come down in price by half....i was so excited when i heard about the new Fantom...but now? Just dissapointment....at this stage its a bigger fail than the FA Series....way bigger!...my live rig is Fantom X7, G6 and XR with not a laptop/DAW/Mainstage or Tablet to be found... this new Fantom doesnt do even what my X7 can do live. Who the HELL was Roland listening to in its development...Casio users?,...15yo bedroom bashers??? Certainly not Fantom owners and live Pro Keyboardists....A Step Sequencer?....for crying out loud the sequencer in this thing isnt as powerful as an MC500! I mean really.....! ...KRONOS just keeps looking better and better....and Never....and i mean NEVER would i have thought i would ever say that....the people saying that this new model is good...obviously are young....as they dont know what the previous Fantoms could do...the new Fantom has gone Backwards.

[@Darrin.Crawford]

I am in the market for a Fantom 8 but now that I have read your review I am teeter tottering between this and the Kronos. Can I load samples into the Kronos??

[@ErraticFaith]

Kronos was an extremely expensive (at the time) consolidation of the Oasys platform. A workstation, in the vein to which they used to exist - no longer does. There is zero interest in such a product. Both from serious professional consumers (performance artists) and the brands/manufacturers themselves. A part of it is cost and redundancy. These days things are rapidly replaced and upgraded. They seem like minor leaps at times but architecturally speaking they aren't. What you think is 'more of the same' has to be made compliant and brought up to date with new technology. Also - 10 years could well be the redundancy period for musical artists themselves. So what one band needed - fades with them. A new artist appears - and if they want similar capability but with a more modern feature set; that is what is produced. Because companies must make money. If what you said really rang true - the company would be bankrupt. I assume you realize that. Personal preference isn't the same as fact and company net profit. Due to the shift in market (user net total) it's unlikely any company will waste their time with a cutting edge workstation. Because it won't be likely to last 10 years as they once did. And the RnD for a product that stays valid; next to people simply using VSTs and easily upgraded (cheaper) controllers - just isn't worth it. Say for example that I spend the time on a linear well designed sequencer. Charge a fair amount for it. Why bother? If I can rely on customers preferring their DAW and other tools. So you see how the world has changed. It's more affordable to use things in a customizable and more modular fashion (meaning you waste less of your money on features YOU might not want in a giant device). The workstation concept has become redundant. Because in truth, to give a great keybed. Great interface/hands on control. Great filters. Great build.... you get the idea. All in one unit. Will end up costing people 5 grand+. That will make many people, even stage artists think twice. Why? Because although they can afford; there is still the issue of weight. And much more. It's simply easier to carry a controller board, with laptop and supporting software. It used to be that people were too scared to rely on computers in a live scenario. Slowly IPAD became more common. A long with laptops for better poly/sample etc. In time there will be no need for workstations. I know. It's sad and I like them too. But the cost vs redundancy is much too prohibitive. You will see more devices such as MPC and FANTOM. Where the board becomes a 'hub' for all your other hard/soft ware. Thats simply a easier to update and more profitable platform.

[@ScottPincus]

Liked the video but you skipped over note order. I can not figure out how to make that work. Seems like we do not need it if we are using patterns in any case.

[@gerardjayetileke4373]

Also, you need to set the ARP setting on for each zone that doesn't have it on by default. If not the arpeggios won't work.

[@DrGargani]

thank you! I'm surprised that Ed failed to mention that salient fact.....

[@lassel1644]

This WS is a beast. The Montage Synths or the Korg Kross 2 arpeggiator is more interesting when it comes to the arpeggio level i would say. Those guys can play full songs in arpeggio

[@Star_Kay]

So why there are no custom arpegios yet ? Especially with Fantom-0 series out already... .

[@dipankarmitra2008]

It looks like so far no change in arpeggios between the Roland FA06 and the new Fantom. IMHO, the arp variations are a pain on the FA06, and it would have made much better sense to store these variations as new arps instead. You spend a lot of time auditioning to try to find out something that you actually want to use.

[@welshsynthesizerlabs6552]

Could probably use the step LFO’s routed to volume and pitch, along with the arp, to create custom arpeggios. Set the arp to do 1/8th or 1/16th notes and route it to multiple zones. Use the step lfo’s to modify the incoming arp notes which will give each zone it’s own unique arp.

[@scottl926]

Some improvements I think needed are: 1. Ability to import user midi snips 2. More arpeggios per scene, the Fantom should be capable of one per zone 3. Theres no real easy way to just get simple arps that I can tell, you kind of have to go through every variation to get something close. 4. How to change note length/gate? 5. Is there an easy way to turn note accents all together?

[@alexmax9832]

one for zone there's

[@scottl926]

@@alexmax9832 ???

[@dipankarmitra2008]

1. Ability to import user midi snips - I would expect this is already supported, as this is already on older FA's

[@verysynthesizer5972]

@@dipankarmitra2008 Exactly ! I am disappointed ! Neither Fantom nor Fantom-0 got this feature, present in the FA-0 series (2014) !! Not acceptable for such a station !!!

[@adinek28]

How many arpeggiators can be played at once in real time? At Yamaha Montage/Modx you can set 8 different arpeggiators to sing live with! That is, on one arpeggiator I put a set of drums and sing a rhythm, on another a percussion set, on another a bass, on another piano, on another guitar, on another a pad, on another a synth and on the 8th, 8 different sounds that I can play with my right hand and that I can change in real time? I would like someone who is good at Fantom to tell me how many arpeggiators he can play in real time like Montage does for example? With the Korg Nautilus, I know that it can play in Combi mode only with 2 arpeggiators + rhythm.

[@chesthairascot3743]

This video instruction style is absolutely perfect. These are going to be super handy for learning my Fantom 8.

[@musicanderson]

EDM Arpegios?

[@careysavage39]

Since the 2.0 update, can this Fantom time stretch samples during live play? Also, the 2.0 update can samples become patches?

[@thkeyboardsounds]

Is it possible to sync the arp to the click? Like quantize ?

[@fahimdawer]

I have query if anyone can answer....which is that can I apply arp to anyone one sound in the scene.....like in my Juno ds I can apply arp to only one part in performance.....so I can't see that option in this menu..... is it possible?

[@goodboid]

Ramdom? Unfortunate typo

[@Shirtysneez]

Well spotted. Probably something that will be fixed in a future update

[@svendgunnarbruun3903]

How do you make your own custom made Arpeggios ?? on Roland Fantom

[@harrygats]

Svend Gunnar Bruun thats what ive been asking and no ones telling me how hehe i can customize arps using my modx but this one i dont know

[@robbystafford8273]

this is a nightmare. such a tacky, unusable, artificial, soul-destroying, needlessly complicated, convoluted waste

[@fabgroove]

Thank you so much ! Great tutorial... 👍

[@bahramshamloo]

No import SWF file!!! or import song for arpeggio!!!Does that mean it's weaker than the FA model?

[@justaname1862]

Yes...its so similar to an FA....and its nowhere close to being as good as a Fantom X or G...its very dissapointing...A fail as a Workstation....it wont even load a Standard Midi File (SMF) Or allow you to create a Sampled patch to the keyboard or even a sampled Drum Kit patch

[@SovanoraHounKhin]

Great instruction.

[@Jae31st]

HOW TO USE THE PADS WITH ARPEGGIOS?

[@sideshowbob1544]

The best Roland Fantom instructional videos that I've seen !

[@dipankarmitra2008]

Ed, can we finally get 2 different arpeggios on one Studio Set please? Like what the Korgs have since 2008??

[@ruedigerraab4089]

Don't you dare mention the competition! Yes, but i agree. I am really disappointed with the argeggiator features. Seemsthet the developers were busy implementing other cool stuff when the fundamentals of designing basic arpeggiator functionality fell short.

[@ruedigerraab4089]

Really Roland? I miss that the user can switch between, well at least five arpeggios so that during a live performamce the arpeggio can be changed. You guys succeed in making a really great workstation that makes me more than happy. And then you miss out on such a fundamental feature? That would have been no rocket science to design an elegant workfkow around this. While the basic features of the arpeggiator are great somebody did not make their homework thinkingabout how people will want to use that feature. I am hoping for the next OS update. if you need some design ideas contact me, i know what is necessary for UI/UX

[@ricomajestic]

So did Roland ever respond to your request?

[@ruedigerraab4089]

@@ricomajestic still waiting for a response from Roland :D In the meantime, I have connected another Synthesizer vía MIDI which I am playing. This kind of defeats the original purpose of buying the Fantom, but I am living with that for now.

[@YEE941]

Only 128 arp styles? The montage has 10 of thousands of arps

[@amisimal7668]

And most of them are better too. Yamaha's arps are far more useful. Rolands are pointless. But besides that I love my old Fantom...

[@dirklentfer383]

VERY COOL INFO ..... I'm still debating to get the Fantom 6 or 8 ..I have the Roland FA-08 I believe the key bed is different between the Fantom 8 and 6 ? Is it worth it to get the 8 ?

[@interstellarisbadass4278]

Help?? My favorite feature of Fantom X was playing arpeggios and using a knob to change tempo and arpeggio variation quickly live. I can’t even find a way to assign tempo to a knob. Please tell me I’m missing something.

[@marctronixx]

Brilliant again Senor Diaz!

[@ursullavandenbord2322]

PREHISTORIC !!!

[@Wulfcry]

This is the golden stuff I wanted to know about. Arp is king.

[@LouisTorres-ut4ks]

Yes Arp. Is King I agree with you, you get it

[@Wulfcry]

@@LouisTorres-ut4ks Thanks for the comment, almost forgot how powerful the arps are on this workstation.

[@LouisTorres-ut4ks]

​@@Wulfcryyour welcome buddy

[@sandwaves5642]

How many simultanious arpeggiators can be used in this machine ?

[@rubenniedfeld8191]

Hi Ed, can I create my own arpeggio, in case yes , can I recorded to save into The Fantom S to play it later on in a song , thanks. Ruben From Argentina.

[@ahmetozalp868]

Arps are where Yamaha Motif and Montage clearly dominate anything else out there.

[@fantomandjupiterx864]

Great video at least you take your time explaining things not like some people 🤨🤨

[@gretareinarsson7461]

Is it possible to do a notation printout of what one does within the Fantom?

[@JGW-im3nf]

Will they be adding multisampling and auto chop anytime soon?

[@AS-us2kw]

Hiya Ed can you produce an video on how to use the sampling section of the new Fantom please

[@scottchr1]

Ed can you do a video on the new Model upload process please.

[@LammensB]

Variation 4 .....EYE OF THE TIGER!

[@markquavertune2003]

It would be interesting to use the pitch wheel with the arpeggio strings .

[@stiktougaizeur]

Come on guys ?! Do you really want to sell it ??? What"s with the sounds choice ? What's the point of choosing piano or strings for an arpeggio ?? Arpeggios are meant to be played with a synth sound, and i guess this beast can do so much better than that !!! Or maybe ask Kebu to do the demo !

[@zapador]

This is a demonstration of how you use the Fantom. It is not a course on arpeggio, when or how to use it, you clearly already know that. Using simple sounds like this is honestly better for demonstration too.

[@djimmeemusic]

@@zapador I'm not asking for a lesson on arpeggios, i'm asking to Roland if they plan to do a proper demonstration of real ingame arpeggios of their beast ?

[@bertg5294]

...yeeeeesss..the ''ENNER'' button..

[@robertoestebanmoreno6996]

Is this worth 4k$?

[@non-youtuber]

2:14 Glissando ARP is my favourite

[@acheron4444]

Only 1 arpeggio for all the parts?

[@alexmax9832]

No

[@scottl926]

@@alexmax9832 I have a fantom, you can assign the arp to all 16 parts except its the same ARP across all parts, as far as i can see you cannot assign a different ARP to each part.

[@alexmax9832]

@@scottl926 I work with sequencer, no problem. Only sequencer

[@scottl926]

@audiotone but you are a troll, I see you scan all the new Fantom videos to write your little negative digs at it, I'm only stating things that can be improved in future, if you owned one though you'd know its a great sounding instrument even not fully developed.

[@scottl926]

@audiotone you're full of it... no fanboy here, I own Kurzweil, Yamaha and have owned Kronos which got sold last year.

[@marcThysebaert]

Super demo

[@justaname1862]

ED....you are my Fave instuctional Video guy...but this New Fantom? Its a Fail as a Workstation...

[@robertoestebanmoreno6996]

Which fanthom is this cat? Station ,7 ,6 5,...?

[@lyas31]

i have a stupid question, does the fantom have touch screen ?? thanks

[@zapador]

Yes.