Russian Boxing Soviet USSR - Analysis

[@jeremysegal6444]

Thank you for this breakdown so so much. Before doing my own research and putting two-and-two together, I didn't realise why my boxing looked so different from others in different gyms in my area. My first coach that taught fundamentals was indeed an older Russian man who was an amateur fighter in USSR and he taught us the pendulum footwork and Soviet school boxing. I had no idea why/when/how/what we were doing until very recently. Thank you!

[@cornmill6516]

That’s so funny and cool at the same time ! I would dream to be coached by a man like that ur lucky

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

@@cornmill6516 watch Russian school of boxing on KZbin, they have good ussr style boxing there

[@quinnlaya331]

Boxing is such a beautiful sport my goodness.

[@Cassius-m5v]

Red Shirt moves exactly like Willie Pep in those Footwork Highlight videos, the Switches into southpaw, check hooks, shifting his Feet, Not necessarily attacking or defending like pep but literally just “moving” like him, the whole Swag & demeanor overall

[@brandonfrmnyc]

Very informative and improves my fight iq! Love the soviet boxing style

[@Rawbtala]

Thank you! I’ve always been fascinated with Soviet style. Great breakdown I appreciate it.

[@Trathien-]

Currently learning soviet style of boxing Great analysis 👍

[@vlladimirputin]

Can u recommend some channels currently im following frolov boxing

[@pj11]

@@vlladimirputin did you find any good channels ?

[@vlladimirputin]

@@pj11 just search in russian using Google translate u would find

[@JT-dk3mw]

Soviet school of boxing is the best school

[@AlexeyTsapaev]

indeed it is!

[@igornastasijevic5030]

Cuban, my brother. In my country we arw also taught soviet style, but cuban is dominant

[@SoldierDrew]

Cause so many professional world champion boxers are Soviets right? Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson, Sugar Ray, Joe Lewis, Rocky Marciano, Cassius Clay, George Foreman, Julio Cesar Chavez, Roberto Duran, Roy Jones Jr, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, were Soviet Union professional boxers?

[@produbro8207]

Спасибо

[@kiboma4209]

@@SoldierDrewRussian and Cuban are better when it comes to the amateurs and Olympics, American or Mexican style are better for the pros

[@mikaelaulin4992]

Thank you for this video. I will use this for my fighters in technique sparring : )

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

The left hand after the straight right is effective as a defensive out movement after a combo as well

[@anchen5283]

This is really good bro! I'm always interested in the Soviet boxing school especially their bouncy footwork and unique way to throw punches. Can you make a video on how to train those techniques? Or perhaps there are already some videos on KZbin?

[@ringrageboxing5870]

Thanks a lot for your appreciation. There are plenty, but unfortunately they're all in russian languange. Right now I am only working on the breakdowns of this style, but I am planning to produce some instructional videos in a couple of months. Currently I dont have the technical capabilities to do so.

[@anchen5283]

@@ringrageboxing5870 Thanks for the reply. Do you know where can I find those videos? Btw, I'm excited about your future projects!

[@ringrageboxing5870]

@@anchen5283 just use google-translate and translate basic phrases like "boxing technique" into russian, then copy paste them in the youtube search bar, you might not understand the language, but maybe you can understand what they are physically showing to you. Thanks, I am glad I have folks who appreciate my content.

[@thecevi9179]

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[@AlexeyTsapaev]

check that out kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2rae32lmM12b5I. We use hadr positioned feet - good nothing in common with karate at all! We kind of switch off legs muscle which gives us speed and 0 chance to get tired.

[@BezKomentare]

Counter punching is very common in Cuban boxing, that is true. I am Cuban and I like to watch Russian and former Soviet countries boxers.

[@jerrygraves6531]

the foundational Black American style is more of a predatorial style, unlike Mexican who fight a more intra- species style the way a lion would fight another lion, or like a Cuban who fights more of a point system style treating boxing as a sport, the foundational black American fighter seeks to completely render his opponent defenseless using his mind and ability to adapt. It's similar to a predator who stalks his prey and learns it's habits to be able to time its attacks and take as little damage as possible while rendering their targets defenseless (A tiger doesn't brawl with a buffalo). In a sence black Americans fight as if they're fighting another species, most animals when they fight they fight like how the Mexican style is where it's brawling if they're fighting their own species that's interspecies fighting but when you're fighting a another species it's time to learn their habits and hide and be patient. Black fight like they're fighting another species. In a sense you're able to watch what it looks like for a human to be preyed on when you watch a black American fighter doing his thing ( ie. Roy Jones, or Floyd Mayweather). Most ethnicities in America lack the experiences of a black American person who comes from a more predatorial environment due to white supremacy and lack of resources and just generally being around other black people who also think this way and practicing with other blacks to develop a style that's extremely predator like, other ethnicities also lack the athleticism and strength and power to be able to effectively pray on another human consistently. Needless to say the style that a black American exhibits at the its highest form which is like Roy Jones / Mayweather is hard to duplicate for outsiders.

[@j0van87]

as someone who practiced Karate, so many principles are similar especially in movement!

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

Very effect style of boxing in my experience. I go against American style and they can’t figure it out

[@kadencaldwell]

@@criminaltotheworld3154 how do u not lose energy with that movement tho

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

@@kadencaldwell a number of factors, number one dont be lazy, number 2 experience aka know how to conserve energy, number 3 rigid ankles, number 4 conditioning. Notice how last one was conditioning. There is no excuse to not execute watch russian pro boxers have this style, they can go 10 rounds. Notice how they go bursts of bouncing footwork and then relax again. Again, experience

[@kadencaldwell]

@@criminaltotheworld3154 so like as a tip u do the movement take a couple seconds of stand still then movement again?

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

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[@Mrlingual1208]

Это мой любимый стиль и я Мексиканец/ Американец

[@jerrygraves6531]

the foundational Black American style is more of a predatorial style, unlike Mexican who fight a more intra- species style the way a lion would fight another lion, or like a Cuban who fights more of a point system style treating boxing as a sport, the foundational black American fighter seeks to completely render his opponent defenseless using his mind and ability to adapt. It's similar to a predator who stalks his prey and learns it's habits to be able to time its attacks and take as little damage as possible while rendering their targets defenseless (A tiger doesn't brawl with a buffalo). In a sence black Americans fight as if they're fighting another species, most animals when they fight they fight like how the Mexican style is where it's brawling if they're fighting their own species that's interspecies fighting but when you're fighting a another species it's time to learn their habits and hide and be patient. Black fight like they're fighting another species. In a sense you're able to watch what it looks like for a human to be preyed on when you watch a black American fighter doing his thing ( ie. Roy Jones, or Floyd Mayweather). Most ethnicities in America lack the experiences of a black American person who comes from a more predatorial environment due to white supremacy and lack of resources and just generally being around other black people who also think this way and practicing with other blacks to develop a style that's extremely predator like, other ethnicities also lack the athleticism and strength and power to be able to effectively pray on another human consistently. Needless to say the style that a black American exhibits at the its highest form which is like Roy Jones / Mayweather is hard to duplicate for outsiders.

[@datawolf2318]

I learned the cuban style. Its rooted in ussr boxing.

[@wesleymalutama3651]

In what way ? Could you elaborate more please ?

[@alexrockstone9035]

@@wesleymalutama3651 check the History of Cuban Boxing, please !

[@BezKomentare]

@@wesleymalutama3651 Is true, I am Cuban and the Cuban school learned a lot from the URSS

[@BezKomentare]

True

[@SurjeetSumanAcharya]

Please upload more analysis!! This is very helpful. Thank you

[@granolappppf45]

Thanks very nice explanation

[@jakobschandl1023]

Great analysis!!

[@ringrageboxing5870]

Danke!

[@Ahmed_Asif]

Nice video. Thanks.

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

Blue fighter strength was in fighting, and red fighter neutralized it effectively

[@daniels1263]

Very nice

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Old video but Bivol is my favorite fighter today

[@YoungScato]

Blue definitely won round 1 because Red wasn’t offensive enough but Red came back that second round and turned up the heat

[@sanyograi]

In my opinion While going (in an out ) Reverse it (out an in ) Wait for the right moment An gotta be quicker to catch the small opening while the opponent is going back to counter their straight jab.

[@ringrageboxing5870]

The purpose of in and out is to lure the opponent out of the stance and position where he is comfortable and safe.

[@nikosbeis2806]

The guy in the blue shirt is bad at cutting off the ring. Very easy for the red shirt get to the center of the ring when blue is rushing straight forward with no lateral movement. Blue shirt would have had greater success getting in close if he could force the red shirt to the ropes and corners.

[@AlexeyTsapaev]

the way we do in and out foot work is called "chelnok" in Russian and, I guess, not translatable in any language. I do agree with each and every point but 0:28. We use hadr positioned feet - good nothing in common with karate at all! We kind of switch off legs muscle which gives us speed and 0 chance to get tired.

[@ringrageboxing5870]

Where I see the parallel to Karate is the fact that hands low create better upper body mobility and more balance in general. When you have hands high e.g. Mike Tyson, you have heavier upper body and less balance overall. That is why many MMA fighters don't have their hands as high as some styles in boxing, they need the upper body mobility and the balance for kicking.

[@AlexeyTsapaev]

@@vig6321 well, unfortunately it is going to be challanging. 99,99% of boxer do not speak any english at all. English is consideered to be for intellegence class in Russia. I would never expect boxers speak it. The soviet trainers are in their ages and Ruussia does not speak english well enoough even for traveling

[@alexrockstone9035]

'Chelnok' (челнок) in Russian means 'shuttle' in English, Alexey. Some Russians are able to speak and even write English ;-)

[@Roman-wm7uf]

Do you do this chelnok or pendulum footwork for the whole fight or only in bursts?

[@AlexeyTsapaev]

@@Roman-wm7uf I'd say often but not 100% all the time

[@ihrvater7212]

Red corner wearing blue gloves and blue corner wearing red gloves - good old times.

[@ringrageboxing5870]

Its an honor to see you watching my channel Mr. President.

[@statego]

that’s so beautiful

[@СергейМурашев-г3л]

It looks like Isaev's boxing school from Leningrad but there's almos no footwork

[@sherwinrasmusenmusicchannel]

Hi am Russian American on the TMT basically the American style versus the Russian style differences are this in the American style it’s designed for defense in speed and your hands. Movements are different in the Russian style. You have the high in Tigard and you stick and move, and you stick with the job.Then go with a power punch Critics of the Russian style say it’s boring, but if you look at the top fighters right now, the Russian style seems to be dominating. I like to remind these critics, and my fellow boxers who fall into this trap of changing their style . It is better to win ugly than lose pretty. Yes, the Russian style is boring to watch at times but it is effective and there’s a reason why it is popular. Someone here mentioned Lomachenko can we really call Lima’s style Russian? I say no more Eastern European style. Difference is you use the jab to set up your power punches and it is pretty much all attack. Russian style you do phase in and phase out so there is some defense involved just not as much as American. I say Russian style is the perfect blend between Eastern European all attack and American defensive- counter style . I also have friends who are Mexican now Mexican style of boxing you’re right it’s just who can take more punishment As for 🇨🇺 very similar to American style, defense, counter and utilize your footwork It is actually very similar to American style of boxing.

[@jerrygraves6531]

the foundational Black American style is more of a predatorial style, unlike Mexican who fight a more intra- species style the way a lion would fight another lion, or like a Cuban who fights more of a point system style treating boxing as a sport, the foundational black American fighter seeks to completely render his opponent defenseless using his mind and ability to adapt. It's similar to a predator who stalks his prey and learns it's habits to be able to time its attacks and take as little damage as possible while rendering their targets defenseless (A tiger doesn't brawl with a buffalo). In a sence black Americans fight as if they're fighting another species, most animals when they fight they fight like how the Mexican style is where it's brawling if they're fighting their own species that's interspecies fighting but when you're fighting a another species it's time to learn their habits and hide and be patient. Black fight like they're fighting another species. In a sense you're able to watch what it looks like for a human to be preyed on when you watch a black American fighter doing his thing ( ie. Roy Jones, or Floyd Mayweather). Most ethnicities in America lack the experiences of a black American person who comes from a more predatorial environment due to white supremacy and lack of resources and just generally being around other black people who also think this way and practicing with other blacks to develop a style that's extremely predator like, other ethnicities also lack the athleticism and strength and power to be able to effectively pray on another human consistently. Needless to say the style that a black American exhibits at the its highest form which is like Roy Jones / Mayweather is hard to duplicate for outsiders.

[@jerrygraves6531]

It's the foundation of black American style not the American style that's a cultural appropriation. Get it right it's foundational black American style of boxing why don't fight like blacks in America. Jack Dempsey does not fight like Ali or Mayweather or anybody like that

[@YousAbuttyBoy]

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[@ringrageboxing5870]

I uploaded another one for you.

[@G_STYLIN]

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[@ringrageboxing5870]

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[@dominicclarke7875]

Very interesting 🤔

[@ispitfaxkids3063]

The commentator was meat riding red shirt whole time.

[@mackfin8869]

Wow he’s good in the red

[@CutShort03]

Who’s the fighter in the red?

[@jerrygraves6531]

the foundational Black American style is more of a predatorial style, unlike Mexican who fight a more intra- species style the way a lion would fight another lion, or like a Cuban who fights more of a point system style treating boxing as a sport, the foundational black American fighter seeks to completely render his opponent defenseless using his mind and ability to adapt. It's similar to a predator who stalks his prey and learns it's habits to be able to time its attacks and take as little damage as possible while rendering their targets defenseless (A tiger doesn't brawl with a buffalo). In a sence black Americans fight as if they're fighting another species, most animals when they fight they fight like how the Mexican style is where it's brawling if they're fighting their own species that's interspecies fighting but when you're fighting a another species it's time to learn their habits and hide and be patient. Black fight like they're fighting another species. In a sense you're able to watch what it looks like for a human to be preyed on when you watch a black American fighter doing his thing ( ie. Roy Jones, or Floyd Mayweather). Most ethnicities in America lack the experiences of a black American person who comes from a more predatorial environment due to white supremacy and lack of resources and just generally being around other black people who also think this way and practicing with other blacks to develop a style that's extremely predator like, other ethnicities also lack the athleticism and strength and power to be able to effectively pray on another human consistently. Needless to say the style that a black American exhibits at the its highest form which is like Roy Jones / Mayweather is hard to duplicate for outsiders.

[@sylezmakefightz9727]

What about Mexico or Puerto Rico? We are power houses in the boxing realm but not so much in the Olympics or amateurs most champions are Americans of Latino decent ..

[@ringrageboxing5870]

Nothing wrong with them...

[@sylezmakefightz9727]

@@ringrageboxing5870 do a video on the Latin countrys

[@laaylagi6503]

@@sylezmakefightz9727 just self absorbed sob

[@ivanatamanchuk6526]

hi man! its my video. and i boxer from blue corner! give the link to my chanel

[@ringrageboxing5870]

извини брат без проблем

[@ivanatamanchuk6526]

@@ringrageboxing5870 я на канале выложил реванш против этого типа. если конечно интересно. был приятно удивлен, что ты говоришь по русски)

[@ringrageboxing5870]

@@ivanatamanchuk6526 Спасибо, я посмотрю. Да я говорю по русски. Я живу в Европе, и у нас здесь много русских школ бокса.

[@RasulRahbar-ci6ho]

@@ivanatamanchuk6526can you say what is his name??????

[@cr4me799]

yo can I find old school gyms in moscow for this?

[@Brucelee-pv6uf]

0:10 pendulm

[@patricknewcombe3407]

3:53

[@RasulRahbar-ci6ho]

Who's in red corner ??

[@benkvulothong4034]

Hi RingRage Boxing How can I learn this style and with whom?

[@ringrageboxing5870]

See if you can find a Russian boxing coach, they must have some in USA as well.

[@patricknewcombe3407]

5:16

[@Ash-so2sr]

Brother is there a way of getting in contact with you? I have a few questions Baku soviet boxing and I would like to know your opinion : 1. Weight distribution in basic boxing stance for soviet is it 50/50 or more weight on back foot? 2. For specific punches like left hook to the body does the lead foot needs to pivot or stay fixed? I see canelo pivoting on lead foot for hook to the face but stay with lead foot flat when left hooking to the body

[@ringrageboxing5870]

1) When jabbing, Soviet school tends to put weight on back foot, when crossing there is a jump forward at the same time where the whole body weight is put into the punch but there is also a forward lean when throwing a cross, that depends on whether you punch while standing or moving to close a distance gap. 2) When you throw your left hook to the body the energy and weight balance is different than when throwing to the head because of the height of the arm. When you throw a lower hook to the body you need more and better connection between the feet and the floor to transfer more force to your opponents body. In other words, when you throw a hook to the body and pivot your foot, the hook will be weaker, but when throwing a hook to the head, the pivot is good. It's physics...

[@Ash-so2sr]

@@ringrageboxing5870 thank you my friend

[@ryneagheilim9782]

Not good at punching backwards? Muhammad Ali?

[@f4ust85]

There are two problems with this attempt to dissect "the soviet school". Firstly, there is no singular "soviet boxing style" in Soviet boxing, the very point and value of the soviet system as a whole was defining these countless boxing archetypes (tempovik, igrovik, and so on) and supply them with manuals how to fight one another. Its not one style, its a dozen different approaches. Secondly, the foundations of Soviet boxing were laid down almost exclusively by foreigners or Russians who fought abroad. It was then developed in the 50s by watching and dissecting european boxers. Until the early 70s, fighting on the inside or bodypunching was a foreign concept that was again imported. So basically the "soviet school" is something the Soviets borrowed and borrowed again (much like in industry, science and other fields of competition with the west) and the entire golden era of soviet boxing lasted what, 15 years between mid-70s when it was finally a complete system and the downfall of the USSR.

[@sebastiangorka200]

It's not borrowing, it's seeing what works and improving on it. Human history is a long chain of just that.

[@f4ust85]

@@sebastiangorka200 Wow, deep. I have no problem with your definition - but then why speak of any codified "soviet" boxing school and sell and promote it as such when theres constant development and nothing is originial? Most people who constantly speak of "soviet boxing school" in Russia itself are typically hustlers who picked up a lot of ideas from professional american boxing in the 90s and now claim that practically everyhing is Soviet - the Tyson step? Oh, soviet boxing. Fury? Typical soviet style! Lomachenko, so soviet!

[@sebastiangorka200]

​@@f4ust85 Because it developed into it's own thing, visibly distinct from other schools? Like in gaming for example, where in the 80s Wizardry came over from America to Japan and then inspired Dragon Quest, which in turn inspired lots of other games and nowadays we know these games as JRPGs, distinct from western RPGs. It's really not that hard to understand.

[@q93p28]

@@f4ust85 you got schooled.

[@f4ust85]

@@q93p28 LOL, right, by a bunch of LARPers who probably never boxed under a soviet coach, let alone in Russia.

[@ДжейсонБорн-у2т]

ussr is not only russia...

[@DugeHick]

Cuban boxing comes from Soviet boxing:)

[@BezKomentare]

Not all but many stuff. And not only boxing other sports as well. I am Cuban and I remember the 80s. Soviets were great brothers

[@RasulRahbar-ci6ho]

Who's in red corner ??

[@patricknewcombe3407]

6:09