Rust Reformer vs Primer on Rust

In this video I decided to spray a deeply rusted test panel to determine the effectiveness of Rust Reformer versus regular automobile primer.
Based off you guys' comments see this experiment revisited here: • Revisited: Rust Refor...
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[@wabijohn9172]

After 40 years in the metal biz I found that Rustoleum " Rusty Metal Primer" is the most economical way to seal in and penetrate rust that cannot be completely removed. The fish oil in the product is key. Metal must be rusty or the oil has no where to go and takes forever to evaporate. I let it cure for at least 3 days before top coating. Must be top coated as after bout 8-10 years it will wear off. Automotive type primers are only good on shiny new metal.

[@ChaosGarage]

Awesome, thanks for sharing that. I've got a couple rattle cans of that in the shop I think. I remember seeing the brown caps and looking at them the other day. I'll have to give a shot.

[@wabijohn9172]

Just for your info: Quarts and gallons seem to be of a more "oily" nature. I imagine spray cans would require a more thinner product. I thin the first brush coat with a little acetone or use the recommended thinness for air spray. Nothing beats an out of the can slather for already rusty items you just want to protect outdoors. One of the hidden perks of getting old is you can do these outdoor experiments on metal coatings and observe them from a 10, 20, 30,and omg a 38 year perspective.

[@ChaosGarage]

haha nothing beats experience. That's where you really learn all the neat tips and tricks!

[@dcndco9151]

Wabijohn

[@timmyly2363]

Wabijohn i

[@celiamoreno7745]

I loved how you said "I really need to make a mount for the camera", I have been struggling with mine, best thing for me to do is follow your lead and try to build my own. Thank you! Amazing video by the way.

[@ChaosGarage]

Hah, eventually I bought a cheap phone mount I could put on a tripod.

[@travispratt6327]

I just put a little dish soap on a wet rag, wipe it with that then wipe again with another rag. The problem with not cleaning after wire brushing is you’ll have a pretty good layer of rust dust, it stops the paint from sticking and it will flake much easier.

[@ChaosGarage]

Agreed, I usually wipe stuff down with mineral spirits before painting.

[@SpudKai]

Also guys, wear a quality respirator when wire brushing the metal. The dust will be breathed in and I still feel sorta crappy after 4 days. One of those thin paper masks with the metal part to bend around the nose is not good enough! Get a mask that seals!

[@MaryPoggemann]

Thanks! Trying to figure out a way to cover and strengthen the rusty spots on a used van we just purchased. Appreciated your demonstration.

[@ChaosGarage]

Sorry for the late reply. Hopefully it worked out for you!

[@ItsCleto]

This does not at all strengthen the rust. All it does is slow down its spread.

[@knottreel]

I would think that after sanding, the lighter paint color would show more rust than the dark, just because there's more contrast. .

[@danielrobinson5224]

First of all you hit the primer one time as you moved to your right. You hit the rust reformer 3 times moving to the left and then back and forth.. you applied the primer per instructions and not the rust reformer, no 24 hour cure, then you grind the rust, for what? What did you expect? Ones an apple the others an orange. Take this down it's worthless. I use Rust reformer all the time. It's best to use two coats 10 to 15 minutes apart, wait 24 hrs then prime and paint. I used this on a 9ft hay rake 4 years ago. It's been out in 16 season changes and it's appearance hasn't changed at all. We could not find any rust any where in it about a month ago. Rust reformer works.

[@stanley2004]

I completely agree.

[@NinjtechPro]

I have to agree, painting is a science, you can't wing it. I moved back to Southeast Alaska after 6 years. All my tools, equipment and gas powered hardware was rife with rust and I've spent a month grinding, sanding amd rust treating everything that has a lack ot metal. Rust reformer is a quick effective spray option I stand by when I have hard to get areas or I don't care about the hardware enough to properly sand, grind and brush apply a proper rust inhibitor. My tow chains are in good order and you know sure there is still rust that comes through in certain areas, but I know for fact that it'll be in far better shape than if I hadn't. Alot of the things I'm coating and treating are gon a get heavy use, transported in the elements and I just need them to not fail because they rusted to bits or ruined all my other hardware because their rust fucked with that. If I want something pretty ill of course use a filler or self etching primer, and prep my surfaces and take the time I need, but if I'm starting an undercoat for my truck frame or taking care of a snowblower that has sat for 15 years and I just want to keep my stuff functional, using a spray rust reformer is just fine by me.

[@chrishandsome6542]

Thank you. I need to fix my body on my 1982 Camaro Berlinetta. I am going to use reformer. It had the body sanded and primed when I bought it but it seems to be seeping through the primer. What do you think I should do? Sand down on the primer and prime it again? Or just keep adding layers to the primer?

[@reviewsgoodnbad7695]

Thank you! I have a metal fireplace that needs some cosmetic treatment. Propane will not be turned on to prevent tenants from using it. Do I have to also wire brush the chain mail type fire screen?

[@kevinhitt719]

I found this a little late but the best way to find out what you want to know is set the plate out side for a year or so and see what it looks like after that

[@ChaosGarage]

Many people requested that so I did! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIa4o6KAbMqWiNE

[@Jmunoz1675]

This could have been a great two minute video

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks

Agreed. Way too long given its content. Chaos also should have wiped down the surface with a petroleum solvent to insure adhesion of the primers.

[@michaelsabella5924]

Ever hear of using the move forward button, this person didnt have to do this video, either. SO much for being aprreciative... Next time dont watch it

[@michaelslivensky8741]

I agree, your video was so much shorter and you're still a clown!

[@lloydmccorquindale7459]

Satan in the background lol

[@LukeSutherland.]

Got the automotive version of the reformer, saw some pretty good reviews about it. Only saw a couple of negative reviews that expressed that since it sprays on black its not any different from normal paint. Did about half of my truck frame with it and its been on for about a week and a half. So far so its holding up fine. Once I get the whole frame finished I might use their undercoating as well.

[@ChaosGarage]

Nice, let us know how it turns out!

[@charlesjimenez6675]

ForzaClutch . Charlie Brown here . have you ever heard of Coraseal, I was thinking about putting that on my frame before I put the Auto rust reformer . so tell me how well did your frame come out any pics of it ..

[@LukeSutherland.]

Within the month I did notice some corrosion through the reformer. Looked like it could be dirt at first so I tried washing it off. Did nothing. So my guess for now is that maybe I didn't put it on thick enough so I put a thicker coat on about 2 weeks ago. I'll see how it holds up now. But for all we know this could just be normal paint in a can. If there's more corrosion showing through the heavier coat I applied then I may go with something else to convert the rust. After I apply the different converter I might spray this on as a primer for undercoating and extra protection. All depends on the future results as of now.

[@LukeSutherland.]

Yes, it looked like that but with a bunch of those little white spots and corrosion that looked like bright dirt. Image 1- imgur.com/a/ue3Ui Image 2-imgur.com/a/VLXfw Prep work was done before I sprayed too.

[@ChaosGarage]

Interesting, I appreciate you sharing. I will definitely be using POR15 on my frame instead of Rust Reformer.

[@JPearlLapis]

This guy: 1:33 "clean with soap and water, screw that" Also this guy: 2:06 "but we're following the instructions"

[@pktech1969]

Like the 16 oz can of beer while conducting the experiment. Haha.....that's awesome!

[@ChaosGarage]

Gotta stay hydrated right?

[@Doorsanmore]

I used this product on Jeep axles Drive shafts, sway bars you name it Then costed in Rust-Oleum oil based enamel They have all held up. Axle actually still looks new after a few winters. The key is to remove as much rust as possible.

[@ChaosGarage]

Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience. Prep makes all the difference in the world!

[@VC-TV]

Same here, seems to work great in my opinion, i guess some people use this product improperly and give it a bad rep, but if you do the necessary preparation before hand, this stuff actually does a great job, i would recommend a good thick coat of this forst before a top coat, and if no topcoat is desired, then two decently thick coats of just this product for underbody of vehicles

[@n0sr3t3p]

sort of the "what color is the dress?" illusion at the end there.

[@ChaosGarage]

I don't disagree...which is why I redid the experiment.

[@BattleForTheHotel]

based on my own experience (20 years) the rust reformer stops the rust completely. I used it 20 years ago on a old car and the places that I sprayed are rust free, the panels that I didn't are all rusty, the rust reformer really works.

[@ChaosGarage]

Nice. I hope so because I've used a couple cases of it rebuilding the Firebird :D

[@andrewhopkins3397]

Did you go over it with a primer or paint after the reformer? I just did two coats of reformer and have been debating taking the time to paint or not. I don't have a lift so just want to be done with it. But feel like I'll be kicking myself in 2 years or so if I don't paint it. (Though the product says it does not need to be painted after).

[@BattleForTheHotel]

@@andrewhopkins3397 I didn't apply primer or paint.

[@jackiegammon2065]

I did the inside of two van doors last year with just this. I sanded the best that I could, and let it set for two days. On one door, I used this Rust Reformer, on another I used primer, and two other doors I used a different brand of the same type of product. Once it had set for a couple of days, I used 3M undercoating on the backside(outside) of the doors. I will be honest and say that none of the products did a great job, and after the winter months I found the rust coming through to the outside of the doors. Now, I also realize that I needed to paint over the 3M product as it does not do well in the UV light. So whether it's my error with not painting over the undercoating ( I didn't know that) or the winters in Maine... I'm not sure in what direction to go in this year, perhaps the Por-15. At any rate, I still need to fix the doors once again, and am interested in any ideas that any of you might have.

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I've used POR-15 but not enough to know how well it would hold up to the conditions you speak of.

[@jackiegammon2065]

@@ChaosGarage Thank You! I've been looking at a lot of other products, but still have not settled on anything. Thanks Again!

[@clayhead78]

Brilliant test video

[@BDoguet]

Thanks that will help with some of the parts I'm trying to paint

[@ChaosGarage]

You're welcome...glad it helps. Definitely check out the 1 year test videos!

[@victormontano7148]

I wish i could brush metal that fast lol.

[@ChaosGarage]

+Victor montano practice practice practice hahaha

[@randyolson415]

I'm curious if that piece of steel is still around and it's condition

[@_CAT-lg4sr]

Dang! Who needs a power wire brush with you around. I think you are faster than a power brush! Never seen anybody so fast, a blur actually!

[@ChaosGarage]

It's important to eat your Wheaties!!

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

LOL!

[@ChaosGarage]

😁😎

[@ivanf102]

Lmfao!

[@optimumpcyt]

Demonic music gave me constipation

[@cerrob3nd]

Thanks for the comparison. Looks like maybe the Rust Reformer had a tiny bit lest rust, though that could just be the black color helping. It would be interesting to see how the coatings hold up over time. Maybe if you did the same thing with a smaller piece of metal and stuck it in some salt water or something for a few days.

[@jamesgraham6796]

Not sure WHY you ground off the prime. Is one supposed to be grinder proof?

[@ChaosGarage]

Checking to see if I could tell how deep the chemical reaction penetrates the metal (if at all)

[@samuellindstrom2137]

Some kickass music you've got in the background :)

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks!

[@rachellehermanson4174]

Mood music!

[@goocherrific]

Music? I thought someone was torturing animals.

[@Uri1000x1]

Rustoleum site says, "Use on rusty metal only." but what if the chair is half rusted?

[@ChaosGarage]

It should work just fine

[@yourmomsfriedgravy]

I hear Burn The Preist! Jk I know it's Lamb of God, I'm just displaying my metal knowledge 👹

[@guillermonieri4203]

Thank you for the options. I have used a vinegar with salt mix that works great, when you can submerge the rusted pieces; I have then protected them with POR 15. I have also used a commercial product that has phosphoric acid that works well.

[@ChaosGarage]

Awesome...always good to hear what else works. How is the POR15 holding up? That's what I'm using on my firebird.

[@guillermonieri4203]

@@ChaosGarage it is holding up great, as it is all protected from UV light.

[@baire702]

I love compressed air for blowing off stuff!

[@salbal777]

Can I do this procedure. to the inertial housing of water pump. will it O.K. to use pump's water for drinking and cooking?

[@ChaosGarage]

I don't think that would be safe. Since you are talking drinking water I would definitely call your local plumber and ask them what you can use.

[@randybeard6040]

Rust Converter like Navel Jelly is the Best, have used it on Many Rusted Machinery and it Works-Changes the Chemistry of the Rust.....

[@ChaosGarage]

I've heard of naval jelly for a long time but never had the chance to use it. Pretty neat how the products work!

[@theoffice9803]

I have heard about that as well. I will be using that today on the underside of my lawn mower deck.

[@ChaosGarage]

Let me know how it holds up

[@gunnarjensen5910]

Does bondo fiberglass stick to a rust converter or epoxy primer if I put them first on top of a rusted metal which has been lightly sandblasted before treatment ??

[@ChaosGarage]

I don't have a whole lot of experience with bondo fiberglass but I would think yes it should stick.

[@artsiecl]

thanks for showing the boring part in high speed.....saves us time too.....

[@ChaosGarage]

Mission accomplished!

[@noblewon3507]

Hopefully I can get some info I have surface rust coming up on front lip of my hood. I have tape and paper to cover everything. So it just needs light sanding should I sand it down to the metal , I have rust oleum paint + primer will that be enough? Thanks.

[@ChaosGarage]

The more time you spend on prep removing the existing rust the longer your fix will last. Bare metal would be ideal then primer and paint. You may also consider a clear top coat over the paint as well to help seal it.

[@andrewmilne1738]

Hi there i have ols dumbbells that are slightly rusty canni just use a wire brush and then spray one of thewe products on them ?

[@ChaosGarage]

Sure

[@thomasruhoff6710]

Dam he's fast!😁

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

You should compare the Rust Reformer to their Rusty Metal Primer.

[@luissonoma6255]

First thing I thought to myself when I read the title.

[@silentvoiceinthedark5665]

I wish you had used a belt sander to make the sanding process a 100% uniform and then exposed the surface to O2 or maybe put an equal amount of salt water on all 3 surfaces and left it alone say for a month. Oh yeah and put saran wrap over the salt water

[@superperodjetlic371]

I used rust bullet on an outside rusted cottage furnace gas tank. Brushed it on and it still looks silvery after almost 6 years. No rust is visible. The product is very expensive, very toxic but works extremely well for years without reapplying.

[@ChaosGarage]

Interesting, I'll definitely look that up. Thanks for sharing!

[@luckyjackson9984]

Yes I use that myself first Superior to POR 15 and actually there's another one from Bill Hurst in Newark it's called Miracle Paint that is very good Houston on the axles and frame on a 62 GMC 4 wheel drive and still is in good shape 20 years later

[@dagnabit29]

Apples and oranges the primer I believe is for body panels the reformer for frames and such

[@earlenekatan3327]

Absolutely screw that little bit lol thank you skoolie owner :)

[@angelcastro3714]

Thanks

[@ChaosGarage]

No problem

[@mpsSalvadorian]

i like the fact that you startet drinkin a beer even tho i donk like miller.

[@ChaosGarage]

Beer is no stranger to the shop!

[@marcusyakira1094]

good stuff

[@ChaosGarage]

heck yeah!

[@Random-ed2xf]

Rust reformer you are also supposed to wire brush the surface removing loose rust. Others that work well is Ospho and Corroseal.

[@alansmlth7989]

Fish Oil is the secret for rusty metal.

[@roundedrob1483]

Put it outside for 6 months then make a new video

[@ChaosGarage]

+Rob Mueller read the other comments my friend I already did.

[@joshtschappat950]

I used it on my truck frame over a year ago and it is still in great shape. This stuff works great

[@mrsteel10213]

Josh Tschappat wait ? which one ?primer or reformer

[@alexthomas3518]

what if you don't paint over rust reformer?

[@ChaosGarage]

You don't have to paint over it. It may develop some white spots on it but you certainly don't have to topcoat it.

[@maximgochemi8789]

ооо, it does not protect, you could not delete the layer. it is known there will be rust, it was necessary to sprinkle water

[@ChaosGarage]

yeah...I think

[@carylamari6546]

I never trust paint over rust no matter what kind It is. I normally use phosphoric acid but I have used Vinegar and wire brushed it until the rust was almost either gone or black and then use epoxy over it. I have used rust converter over and it seemed to be ok.

[@ChaosGarage]

+Cary Lamari looking at the results of my revisited video, I cant say im completely sold either. Still got 2 more months before I do the 1 year follow-up video on it. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@luckyjackson9984]

Yes agree with you the vinegar works well have used it on many different applications over the years including motorcycle gas tanks and car frames along with body panels cheap and not a chemical

[@shaahryashawab7061]

1:33 Instructions,, Screw that lmao. Shake well,, one shake😎

[@MrCee-eq9fe]

PROSPECTTT xReturningRemnant 😂😂👍🏽

[@KentAndrewLang1967]

How about Rust Bullet Automotive? Scottie Kilmer mentioned it.

[@ChaosGarage]

I haven't heard of that. It looks interesting, comparable to POR-15 in performance and that expensive price tag.

[@teaspells9994]

I live in New York City and I need to paint my rusted fire escape gate I wonder how the white color looks like...

[@ClintonC1991]

Probably white

[@buzzsah]

I think over time the reformer will work on slowing the rust down.

[@wildernessman760]

I'm actually going to try this in the front quarter panel of my truck. If it fails I will just get the quarter panel replaced.

[@ChaosGarage]

Let me know how it goes.

[@dclinks]

how about a little 400 grit sandpaper, then re-apply

[@mujjuman]

thanks man i will use rust reformer on my car

[@ChaosGarage]

Awesome, let me know how it turns out!

[@loloto9754]

Rub right away after he said safety first

[@RobertMOdell]

Why not use something like EvapoRust ??

[@ChaosGarage]

There are tons of alternatives that could be used...many of which are suggested in the comments.

[@davidprather360]

Well there is 17 minutes I will never get back.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

Hit both sides with power washer.

[@louisnguyen2865]

Hey thanks for doing the experiment. Always wondered myself if there is any neglible difference between just paint, primer and rust reformer on rust and rust elimination. I couldn't tell if there were any differences on your experiment but I do know (I've seen for myself) that if any paint product that has zinc in it will help prevent rust from forming on metal (with iron). As far as reforming rust or converting rust back to metal, without zinc added, I've never seen that happen. Nonetheless, I just gotta have faith that it works, and if anything, it gives me a peace of mind when I use rust prevention on metals. Anyhow, let us know if anything changes on that green web or that piece of metal you pained, like if rust started to come back or anyting. Thanks.

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks for the reply. In the video there wasn't much difference to be told the day after. I suspect the rust will come back through the primer before the rust reformer. After I did this experiment I threw that piece of metal under the table. I'll run down to the shop after work tomorrow and take a look to see if anything has changed on it. I know the web has rust coming through the paint but it also had zero prep work done to it before painting...I don't think we even cleaned off the real spider webs that were on it.As for stopping rust, I plan on trying out POR-15 in the next week or two for the majority of my car that I am building. It won't convert the existing rust but should do a nice job of sealing it. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does and I'll keep everyone posted.

[@ChaosGarage]

Here is a 2 month follow up picture. Looks like the rust is starting to come back through the primer. Rust Reformer side still looks the same. That's a good sign. instagram.com/p/BIV3-K1BPoR/?taken-by=chaosgarageshow

[@HeRulesAlways]

Thank you for providing the photo. This helped me in knowing the approach to take and to use Rust Transformer.

[@donbonem2929]

Thanks for providing the video & followup photo. Have you thought about putting the plate outside and letting it see some hot,cold & moisture and then re-post a picture? Would like to see more of the un touched painted areas

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks for the comments! Based off the feedback I'm getting, I am going to redo this experiment with all of your suggestions. I am going to paint a piece of steel with Rust Reformer, black primer, black paint, and maybe even a strip of POR-15 so I can see it fade in the sun. It will take me a week or two since I can't rush mother nature so stay tuned! If you have any more suggestions I'd love to hear them.

[@benjikagi627]

Can anyone read this to see if it is the right method ? I have a fair bit of rust on the undercarriage of my Toyota Hilux and this is what I am thinking of doing to remove the rust. 1. Remove rust with wire brush attached to drill thoroughly 2. Wipe down with methylated spirits to kill bacteria & remove grease Then either use 3. DY-Mark Ruster Reformer OR as you previously recommended Rust-Oleum Primer Undercoat Sealer. What does everyone think of this method ?

[@ChaosGarage]

Sounds like a solid plan to me.

[@Smurphenstein]

You may have done this but what I have done in the past is to clean off the rust as well as possible, then use a rust converter type product. Then prime with a zinc based primer, followed by a topcoat and then a waxy underbody sealant.

[@jotu173]

I have talked extensively with Rustoleum on the phone about this product AND their brush on version of this (NEVER USE THE BRUSH ON VERSION!!!!). As much as it pains me to say this, it is my understanding that (with the spray on version) the rust actually gets chemically converted and neutralized but it DOES NOT HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. I am pretty sure you would have seen far lest rust IF YOU HAD LET EVERYTHING CURE FOR THE TIME IT SAYS ON THEIR LABEL. And, if memory serves me correctly, the cure time varies based on the temperature and humidity level at the time that the product is applied and cured.

[@ChaosGarage]

Interesting. In the follow up video to this, I did the same experiment but left the test piece outside for a year. The rust still crept through the rustoleum products.

[@tylernelson1993]

Painting by trade. Commercial/Light Industrial Black will always. 100% show less rust than white. Whenever you walk in a building now a days.. look up. If its an exposed white pan deck, find the sprinkler pipes. If the painters who used dryfall didnt use an oil primer or Pro Cryl to seal those pipes you will see rust. Always. 100%. If its a darker color or black deck find those same pipes and you will never find rust because rust hides itself in the black paint. We never use primer on black pan decks because of this. Its a waste of time and material costs. Also. To make this test actually a quality example, you have to paint these with the same top paint/coating. You can't grind primer and expect it to be able to withstand any damage. Its a primer. Its built to adhere and allow paint to adhere to a substrate. Its not meant to withstand damage even if its a high build.. one coat isnt intended to be grinded on. Its meant to be painted. But from this it looks like Rust Reform is an interesting primer for priming already rusted substates.

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks for the insight.

[@empire595]

This video proves nothing!

[@ivo3777]

Lol

[@DanielHunterUSA]

Try etching primer

[@rigomartinez8252]

Ey brother, there's nothing wrong with your current selfie stick/pod. Love it. Great video btw...

[@ChaosGarage]

Hahs thanks, I forgot about that!

[@maleahboss]

so....which one do you suggest?

[@ChaosGarage]

After redoing this video and leaving the metal outside for a year. Rust Reformer, Rustoleum Primer, and Rustoleum Enamel all looks about the same. If I had to choose a winner, I'd say just straight enamel did the best. Check out the follow up videos if you want to see for yourself.

[@baubljos103]

Funny, he said "fuck that", and then he said, "... but we're following the instructions..." Well, no either you follow the instructions or you don't. You didn't.

[@brandtvickery2962]

Great video, & you are smart enough to let people conclude themselves. Rusty metal primer, navel jelly, rust bullet, rust Kleen Strip, or phos 15 all work. I’ve used them all. Use the phosphoric acid first, then one of the other products. 218k views?? Keep up the way you present.

[@ChaosGarage]

Thank you!!!

[@dbdb6947]

Great video...did a great job at explaining information... I gave this video 2% chance of watching all the way thru.. However I did.. I will view some others also..keep making videos.. be safe.

[@ChaosGarage]

Haha well thanks! I think I did a much better job on the revisited video with another follow up video after 1 year with the test piece sitting outside.

[@dbdb6947]

Chaos Garage I'll watch that one...next...appreciate you taking the time to record your video...🖒

[@ChaosGarage]

And I appreciate you taking the time to comment! Hope you get something out of the videos!

[@julianradeanu]

When you playing with rust , music is key ! Should have played some RUST IN PEACE ! good job !

[@ChaosGarage]

Haha great idea! I'll have to queue up some good old Megadeth next time!

[@fast68chevy]

fuckin right! good ol' MEGADETH !! awesome!

[@albread]

Can I use both.

[@ChaosGarage]

Can you use both products? I don't see why not but you would want to lay down the rust reformer first and give it some time to do its thing. If it were me I would use one or the other then top coat it with some regular enamel.

[@littlemanhuerta4442]

so can we use the rust reformer instead of primer and still get great results when painting a car?

[@ChaosGarage]

Yes you can put a top coat over it and use it as a primer...but it does not act like a filler primer that you would typically use on a car to sand out imperfections and such before top coating.

[@littlemanhuerta4442]

Chaos Garage alright thank you man

[@SgtJoeSmith]

@@littlemanhuerta4442 I just used rust reformer on some rusty areas of truck frame and sprayed undercoating on top. Alse reformer on muffler and exhaust pipes with vht exhaust paint on top. It dries faster than primer and left real smooth surface. It seems like the reformer holds better. I've had primer flake off before. I'm gonna use reformer more often now to see how it does

[@stevenpolitte4628]

Need to tape off the other way, paint half of the panel, then put it outside to make a follow up video.

[@josephlahood4647]

I've had great results with rustoleum rust reformer on my truck tow hitch or undercoat applications up here in New England rust belt ;2 but eventually it comes back. Rust is like cancer. NOTHING can permantly stop it.

[@johnadona3014]

just grind it off and seal it braindead

[@carlosmatos9848]

You should have put that panel back outside, sprayed it down it down with some salt water a few times a week. If the rust converter actually works you'd see more rust creeping back onto the gray primer side.

[@ChaosGarage]

Actually based off feedback from this video, I did it again and left the metal outside for about a year! If you are interested check out the revisited videos. Thanks for the feedback!

[@carlosmatos9848]

@@ChaosGarage Nice! I'll check them out.

[@johnspartan98]

I think you should have placed the panel outside for a few weeks to get weather exposed, and then examine the results.

[@ChaosGarage]

I did just that sir...check out the follow up videos!

[@MattsShop]

Great vid. I've seen wayy better stuff on here that you wipe on. That rust reformer spray almost looks like paint. It didn't seem to do much. Nice selfie stick lol You should see my custom tripod.

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks! After I did the one year test that I posted a couple months ago, you can definitely tell it wasn't anything impressive versus other Rustoleum products. No doubt there are products out there that work better. A lot of them have been suggested in the comments on this vid. I found a proper tripod now :D

[@MattsShop]

Chaos Garage Yea, I have seen much better products demoed on here. Now I know if I ever see this stuff to choose somthing else! I'll have to check out that video thanks.

[@adomingoad]

I like the attempt. but the test still needs to be done. the rust neutralizer works to change the chemical make up of the rust. as the primer don't stop the rust. if you would of went a step further and wet the areas after a few weeks. the rust would bubble the primer but the rust neutralizer would of transformed the rust to a neutral state and then into a use able sealed primer for the surface. not saying it will not rust. but will take it a longer time to rust again.

[@ChaosGarage]

Thanks for the comment. Check out the follow up video, I throw Rustoleum enamel into the experiment and leave the whole piece outside in the elements for months. All 3 products say they help prevent rust and so far there aren't any signs of rust returning or bubbling under the primer or enamel. But that experiment is on going, I'm leaving that piece out in the elements until I see some kind of result.

[@allenallen6474]

Use naval jelly to remove the rust first. Way easier.

[@ChaosGarage]

I've heard that is good stuff. I'll need to find some.

[@phillipm3799]

POR-15 is worth its weight in gold as well. I’ve not found anything better

[@ChaosGarage]

POR-15 is good stuff!

[@gerirodrigues5154]

very well done video... also loved your son's spider web. Good Job...

[@ChaosGarage]

+Geri Rodrigues thanks!

[@The2012waiting]

8:20 2nd tall boy ;)

[@ChaosGarage]

Second of many!

[@zamzammrfixit3113]

why did i view this .. by the way you are a grate man with supernatural rist powers that makes me a rust bucket in my grate environment .. you are a grate rusty man !!!!

[@glennschatz8389]

I wish you would have set it outside for a year.

[@ChaosGarage]

Oh but I did! Look on the channel for the follow up video!

[@isrealperez9069]

I don't understand your demonstration I just need to know if rust reformer will it heals or protect the Rusted area from Salt water in a few car washes

[@robertmerrill621]

I have a materials rack on my '04 Chevy that I got in a trade somewhere around 1987. At the time it was pretty rusty, and because I had no time to properly prep and paint it, I wire brushed it and slapped on a coat of Rust Reformer three trucks ago. Never did anything after that (lazy) and only now does it show any real surface rust and that's only spotty. No scale! Hard to believe but true!

[@isrealperez9069]

Is thier a way to do inner and outer part to protect the metal

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

If you want to keep rust out. Nothing beats POR-15. That stuff sticks to skin for days...So keep it off you and your clothes.

[@ChaosGarage]

Yeah I'm using POR-15 on my Firebird...good stuff!

[@kenswitzer4133]

Master Chief 00117 I put some on parts of an auto frame around 17 years ago and it has been exposed too all the elements since then. Now it is still very black but has a chalky appearance fit is still a Very Strong bond. I have used it a number of times since then on frames and it does hold up very well. You can get it in a couple of colors. Very correct comment my friend.

[@jeremyrock7446]

Master Chief 00117 it’s not great unless you sandblast ! I used it on my truck and the frame was rusty again in a year

[@kenswitzer4133]

I followed the instructions exactly and like I said, 17 years in the sun, rain, hot and cold. The only way to get it off is to sand a good bit with 80 grit. I personally know over 20 people that have used it over the years and just keep on using it. Knock the heavier rust off after you wash it thoroughly and degrease, let dry and apply in light to medium coats. Hard as a rock, paint color coat or use por-15 tie coat and then color. You will not be dis satisfied. Chemically it needs the rust to bond and I have never heard of it working on clean metal but can not dispute it.

[@angleturner]

Not according to this.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/pafGqX2qZsZoY68

[@walkslast24]

so your best bet is the rust reformer by the looks of this experiment

[@ChaosGarage]

I think the rust reformer is little bit better than straight primer. I wouldn't trust it to completely cure the rust issues though...especially on anything structural. It's always better to get rid of it than convert or cover it up. On a lawn mower trailer or something that isn't worth the metal work to make it right, then it is better to have that piece of mind. If you could spring for a little more $$$ though I'd use something like POR-15.

[@henrycoats371]

Following the instructions? What happened the the “use soap and water” part? Primed surface is also pitted. Why not paint over the paint. And why are you grinding it? Whats the reason?of course there’s rust underneath it.

[@ChaosGarage]

Too lazy to go get soap and water. The surface was pitted with rust...slapping some paint over it wasn't going to smooth it out much. I hit it with the grinder to hopefully see how deeply the chemical reaction of the rust reformer penetrated the rust. I did another test based off feedback from this video and let the piece sit outside for a year. The purpose wasn't professional rust repair but more of a quick fix or something you don't care to fix properly. There are much better (more expensive) methods to stop the rust longer term.

[@leadpill8333]

Wood !!!

[@duartepaintinghandymanservices]

Rust doctor is the way to go

[@ChaosGarage]

Looks like a decent product. I have no experience with it though. It is order direct only and not in any of the big box stores. Thanks for the heads up.

[@ClintonC1991]

What if I plan on painting it candy apple red? Will that effect the efficiency of the rust doctor? I know how doctors hate apples

[@victorcordero4521]

I said the rustperformer work better .Good job

[@ChaosGarage]

Thank you!

[@originaloldpop8405]

should have kept the camera rolling during drying time, could have stretched this out a at least another 8 hours or more

[@joep2191]

15:00

[@HarveyCJonesJrjyube1965]

I got a question I've been using Rust-Oleum gloss black I seem to be having a big big problem primary my car sanded it all the preparations I was supposed to temperature about 55 first coat went on beautiful second coat the top of the car had a crazy crazy reaction so I sand it all down started over primary when I painted the Rust-Oleum gloss black it again had a reaction and then the truck had a crazy reaction okay k I think to myself what the hell so I did it again only this time the freaking Hood did it with Rust-Oleum gloss black have used no other paint other than Rust-Oleum it's like the second third coats are having reactions with its own paint so I get it all pretty close to being done I let it dry out in the sun for three days or days and there are still some spots that I had to get so I decided to paint all three again the trunk the top in the hood and I'll be darned if the side near the trunk and the top had a crazy reaction once again with its own pink I wish I could send you pictures I have them so rustoleum could you please help me out I still get need to clear this car with Rust-Oleum clear but I'm afraid to if I could possibly give you my email phone number address anyting let me know please it's a really nice mustang that I'm doing for the most part it's coming out now but I'm still having reactions so please please help

[@ChaosGarage]

Hmm that's weird. Maybe you should call Rust-Oleum and see what they say?

[@HarveyCJonesJrjyube1965]

Maybe you give me some tips on some Rust-Oleum gloss black oil-based I want to try that for the first time in a gun for the first time any tips

[@thatpilotguy4995]

maybe dont have death metal music in the background....

[@deanzhot12]

I like the Rust Oleum Rusty Metal Primer... Comingles with rust via FISH OIL.. ANYHOW, it works for me...

[@ChaosGarage]

Sweet, thanks for watching and sharing!