Rut Hunting Whitetails "What They Don't Want You To Know"

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

My point of the video is that the guys making rut reports are hunting prime land for whitetails that’s perfectly fine. But to the average hunter that’s not the case. What they are seeing is not what you will see. What I’m seeing is not what you will see. Each piece of land each county each state will produce a different result. It’s all property dependent! Dont feel like you are a bad hunter yes we can always improve but most cases it’s just the land you are hunting. I’ve seen this over the last 25 years. Good luck this season thanks for watching! 🦌🦌🦌

[@dougvuillemot8670]

Yup. My river bottom has been slow. It's picking up cause that's what it does from early Nov till around Dec.

[@Chrisbreezy1979]

I would love to see any of these guys on these KZbin hunting channels come here where I live and fill a buck tag! Bet none of them would be able to. They’d be lucky to even find a buck even tho there’s very lil hunting pressure. I live in Harlan Kentucky where there’s zero agriculture, steep rough mountains.

[@sandych33ks1]

Well said.....

[@mattmaxey8604]

Well stated. My property that I've lived on for 21 years always dries up during peak rut. I have great opportunities during pre-rut and early rut. But hit Nov. 3-6 and the breeding deer disappear for 10 days to 2 weeks. I see yearlings alone and not much else. This isn't just my perception, the deer cams show a significant reduction in deer movement.

[@robertwhite3752]

Yes, you absolutely nailed it on the head. It’s all property dependent. And I would like to touch on a couple other issues as well. It’s “ALL” about money! And most of these big companies like Real Tree, Cabela’s, etc are buying up huge plots of land in my state of Ohio, and all the others, only to turn around and lease it all out for thousands of dollars a year. Then we have the “BUY HERE/PAY HERE” large fenced in ranch operations, who are fully responsible for CWD which is now running rampant in all of our wild whitetail herds in every state. The practice of high fenced in deer ranches needs to STOP 🛑✋ PERIOD! It’s all for greed, and that’s it! Nobody should have the right to alter any animals DNA and then charge people to kill that animal. It will be the downfall of all the wild herd one day, and not just in whitetail deer, but many other species as well. Call your state officials and tell them you do not support this. Here in my state of Ohio there’s many many people already on the March for this change. We’ve all been laying very very low for awhile, but watch how this blows up in the next couple years. We will stop it, I guarantee you!!

[@kylemartinson722]

Lol, thank you!

[@jalton9416]

Excellent and truthful video.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Appreciate it

[@jesseforquer5766]

Habitat Improvement folks...... You have to do it, and you can do it on even the smallest of timber! Open the timber floor a bit for natural browse if you don't have the property to get a good plot in.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Yes. That’s a good start

[@ersstihls]

I missed the please sign up for my webinar or i can come set up your land lol 😂

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

I don’t have a webinar. But I can certainly come set up your land haha 😆

[@bradbrockhaus633]

Truth on all 4 points...fully agree!!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Awesome. Thanks 🙏

[@heathalford4721]

South Mississippi where I’m at the rut starts getting evident around Christmas and after

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Down that way yes.

[@EricMeiring]

Completely agree.. Appreciate the realism and just getting to the facts

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thanks bro. Appreciate it

[@B_r_u_c_e]

Very good. Thank you.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Welcome

[@jjnatte9996]

This is good stuff that ppl need hear. Well said 100 percent true

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thanks appreciate it

[@DAKOTABOWINWV]

Preach!!!! 100% correct!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thanks 🦌🦌🦌

[@mrpush2532]

True. All properties different. My property only holds does.and small bucks. I only see large bucks "passing through" usually during late rut when they decide to venture out. I just don't have a good depth of cover that is undisturbed because of adjacent parks w people always walking trails. It just how it is. I don't mind. A big one "every so often" makes it more challenging.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

For sure I agree

[@waynecoulman8116]

Me to the college kid ant leaven the dorm if he has company but after she’s gone he’ll look for one more and in mid michigan we’re I hunt from the 15 of November because I have huge food plots and a ton of Dows I’ll see bucks that I’ve never got on cameras all year a lot at night but real close to daylight and if he finds a Dow nearby he’ll bed with her and hopefully he’ll follow her to my property for me to have a shot even in muzzle older because I feed food plots year round

[@DHTex11]

Where are y'all at? North Central Texas

[@MattMizialko]

Any suggestions on keeping neighbors dogs off your property? I just bought a property and see dogs on my trail cameras. Idk what I can do.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Only thing you really can do is talk to the neighbors friendly at first. Maybe find out who owns the dogs. If not maybe call the police see what they can do. I hate owners that let dogs run around. Very frustrating

[@RushOutdoors]

100% facts right there Dave! 30yrs hunting whitetails and it still is the same every year! Great video!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thank you appreciate it 🤛🦌🦌🦌

[@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594]

I simplify here with the week before Halloween and the week after Halloween.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

@@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594 absolutely. For the majority of the areas that’s right on point

[@williamgaines9784]

Day length, not weather, is the main influencer of estrous in deer. The calendar is fairly consistent with how the seasons unfold. One should not need an article to tell them when those dates occur. In places where typically mild Winters occur, the rut may occur later. Where the does in heat are is where the bucks will be headed. If one has an attractive living space for deer, they will have deer.

[@fergieferguson2457]

Yea I been hunting 45 years and I promise I can tell you exactly when the rut is when lock down is and exactly which stands I need to be in..and I live below the mason dixon line so no it’s not October.. I promise middle of November until first of December I’m doing all day sits.. and believe me it’s happening right now in my area!!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Perfect

[@Jbird1988]

"Property dependant" Nailed it. Thanks for the no B.S. information

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Very welcome. Appreciate the comment

[@scotth9165]

Well said!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thanks brother

[@mattroberson6734]

I've said the exact same thing for 20 years, and they all say I'm crazy.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Me to. We can be crazy together 🤷‍♂️

[@jonathankohl6264]

Truth

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

🤛 absolutely

[@ronlopresti4721]

Heating up in Michigan

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Perfect. Good luck to you 🦌

[@JoeBrown-zh3hg]

So the rut happens same time every year depending on what side the road your on?

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Did I say that no. Rut happens same time. Take 2 different properties the road was just an example. Put hunters on both properties one can see rut activity and the other see nothing even tho the rut is taking place! It’s just property dependent as I mentioned. Do deer want to be there, where’s the food, where’s the cover, where’s the hot doe. The person that doesn’t see rut activity on there land is the first person to go on social media making posts saying there’s no rut this etc etc etc.

[@Chrisbreezy1979]

There’s edges here in Harlan Kentucky but it’s usually power lines through the steep rough mountains.

[@ryannoel8978]

One hot doe can have almost every buck in area in a small area if not in the wheelhouse awful slow morning

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Definitely can

[@kevinleary5244]

Very true! NH big woods is nothing like what you see in youtube. Funnels, food sources and pinch points dont exist. Hunt how your land dictates

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Absolutely. Each one will be different which in turn will produce different results.

[@phrotojoe]

To many jerks near my land bait and poach.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Well poaching isn’t cool at all. But if someone wants to bait legally I think that’s fine. 🤷‍♂️

[@Elonzo-k2y]

Bait legally, what does that mean?

[@lancebrinkley5637]

Speaking the truth. Usually when it's hot the chasing takes place at night, but it's still happening. Every biologist speaks of the rut happening at the same time every year.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Definitely.

[@Dougarrowhead]

It does. Photoperiod controls it nothing else.

[@Grizzlife]

Good stuff man! It’s all about the money. Every time I turn around someone wanting you to buy something. Makes me sick!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thanks Yeah I know what you mean. I get it. We all have to make money. But there has to be a balance.

[@figandcloverranch5871]

I feel the property angst at end of your video, wish I could of afforded that 100 acre plus place .

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

It was leased it really wasn’t that expensive to be honest.

[@boostimalaka1]

The wildlife biologist said this to me over a decade ago. Halloween week is the best time to sit in the woods. Don’t listen to those who say when the rifle season opens is the height of the peak rut. The reason they open it up during Thanksgiving week to attract more people in the woods.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

For sure I agree to that. It’s always been a great time to hunt from October 25th on. Right around Halloween it usually kicks things off.

[@karmas.busdriver]

In most states, Gun season is set for just after the peak of the Rut to help maintain herd population, and better insure passing on quality genetics.

[@Yeagerbomb27]

In SW Pennsylvania or public pressured land I don't see any large buck in daylight after October 29th for the past 4 years maybe its me there are a lot of factors but for the next few years we will be in the woods starting 2nd week of October

[@karmas.busdriver]

@@Yeagerbomb27 In highly pressured land, even in Rut you have to get sneaky & aggressive close to Buck bedding to really be in the game, close spots on Buck bedding in multiple areas will improve your chances with fresh sits every morning.

[@karmas.busdriver]

Ever scout in January & find a spot that looked like a Buck was snorting lines of estrus & destroyed every little tree for a 20 yard radius? The next year you want a weather front in October that keeps him bedded down late, Next morning down wind of his nest before dawn, feeling like deaths personal messenger, because you didn't buger it, and sneaked in like a ghost. When you can do this you can get it done everywhere & with the mistakes comes education.

[@BlanchardsBees]

Was watching a doe with twins last night at 30 yards and had a small 8 walk under the stand.

[@waynecoulman8116]

I agree with you on everything I’m stuck hunting on my 10 acres and it’s 3/4 food plots I have fields next to me on the Nabor no hunters and a very little woods on the other side every one has 10 acres around me and not many hunters but it’s suburban deer the cars drive buy don’t seem to bother them at all but only see bucks on cameras at night unless it’s the rut but I’m not complaining just got to be patient

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

For sure. Sometimes that’s what we have to work with. That’s ok it’s going to be different for all 🤛

[@darinblackburn6023]

You're right on. I take most of that with a grain of salt... what are you're thought on the secondary rut? I've seen some good action during it while most guys are already done.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

From what I’ve seen I do believe there is a secondary rut 28 days or so after the first rut. That’s why we see a gap in fawns being born in the spring. From early may to mid June or so. But I think is varies from region to region

[@kevinjohnson9253]

If you have 1 buck to 15 does some will get missed the first time they come into estrous we see it often in southern mn!

[@RowCall219]

Going to start rut reports need to get paid

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

lol.

[@jeffclugston7666]

In Michigan, I've seen fawns with remnants of spots, ( white spots) during rifle season (Nov 15th - 30 ) meaning the does bred were bred way late in the prior years rut.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Yeah that can happen for sure if not the first rut then can come in 28 days or so later and even later then that it is possible. I’m saying the majority of cases it’s sometime in November

[@dennisst.pierre210]

You’re forgetting Dec. and Jan. Rut . I see it every year .

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

I’m sorry. I left something out in a 14 min video that I made and came up with in 17 mins lol. Yeah does can be bred 28 days or so later after the first rut. Yeah it happens. But majority are done in November at least in the central northern and eastern states. Southern then it’s later on. But as I mentioned it’s different in each area.

[@dennismiller1602]

Agreed from a broad view, the rut seems to start within a day or 3 (; year after year. Having my own property allows me to see the first doe heating up as a mature buck runs her around the food plot edges on Oct 26th, and then the following morning we have orphaned twin fawns wandering around without a mother! Tagged my target buck on the 30th this season, after he worked a scrape and came into my Foodplot following two days of rainy cold front. The peak of the breeding is not my favorite, because only the young bucks are wandering by and the big boys are locked on does more than not.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Absolutely. Congrats on your buck

[@dennismiller1602]

@@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors 👍

[@mikewynings7890]

Man you hit the nail on the head with that one we saw some bucks chasing on Saturday my daughter killed a nice 8 and today I sat all day in the same general location and did not see a deer that's the rut for you we always see good action from the last week of October till November 20ish we In northeast pa i never listen to those rut reports i think they r a crock of @ that's just me thanks for the great videos !

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Thanks brother appreciate it. Congratulations to your daughter and good luck rest of the season. Still a ways to go 🦌🦌🦌

[@blauer2551]

Saturday’s rut was hot in southern Michigan. I saw bucks following does all around me with heads down mouth open tongues out. I didn’t try for any of them because of how we hunt the property but it was a great day of watching.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Very cool

[@dennybirchfield]

Man not really needed to be said. And just the way you said it Dave. That will help a lot of new/younger hunters. Not seeing the box that they think they should be seeing during route. Right doesn't mean that you're a bad hunter just means you need to move

[@danny_the_K]

Dave, I used to live in MD… now I’m living in Hanover PA. I used hunt a well known piece of public land and see bucks during rut that I never saw any other time of year, so it stays to reason that this land had hot does on it. Let me know if you would like more info privately. Dan.

[@Chrisbreezy1979]

Come to Harlan Kentucky where there’s very little hunting pressure and try to tag a buck! All mountains are steep and rough. Zero agriculture, no baiting allowed. Wildlife management areas are just mountains with no one doing anything for the land to help the wildlife! We seriously need someone who knows what their doing to come do some work to the very few WMA’s here.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Each area definitely presents its challenges

[@JerHAMM]

The rut doesn’t happen the same time every year… just wrong… why can it start early (mid October) and then sometimes go til the 20 of November… because the rut isn’t the same every year.. yes peak estrous is usually within 7 days of the year, but nothing to do with property… moon and cold snaps play a part, I would start documenting this a bit more if I were you thinking the rut is the same every year

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Ok

[@JerHAMM]

and that full moon during that "peak rut" bucks will bed the first hour or two of daylight then cant take it anymore to go back at it and that affects the time of day, 10 -12 great time if its full moon within 1 week of your conceived rut< meaning what you say is the same time of the year,every year. go back and check your previous trail cam photos, find the full moon within under 2 weeks of that"nov5-7" and check middle of the day buck movement... i would love to hear back if you do. Good luck out there guys!! @@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors

[@dannyhall7656]

Thats why some KZbin Channels want baiting banned. Follow the money they get from banning it.

[@dougvuillemot8670]

It's because the deer herd will move to the big woods and or river bottom.

[@dannyhall7656]

@@dougvuillemot8670 deer are already in the big woods and river bottoms

[@dougvuillemot8670]

@@dannyhall7656 . They were not at my place like usual. Was roughly 1000 acres of corn a mile over from me. Just got cut yesterday.

[@Elonzo-k2y]

😱🦆🪓

[@jodydavis1646]

So, you only kill small bucks when ur young….. lol I don’t like when hunters think they are too freaking good to shoot a small buck!! There are “trophy hunters”. N there are “Actual Deer hunters”!!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Here we go. You must be upset for not killing big bucks? Come on man. I’ve shot plenty of small Bucks over my lifetime. Small ones don’t get me pumped anymore. I shoot what excites me. If a smaller one excites me I’ll shoot it. I’m Not a trophy hunter and even if I was it’s not your concern. You shoot what you want and I’ll Shoot what I want. You just be the guy that shoots a 4 point at end of season because you have the mentality of having a buck tag and it has to be filled. Or the guy that’s jealous of thr people that put in the work to kill Bigger bucks and you can’t do it. Come on man, do better. Stupid comment

[@longbeardmcstruttin5876]

Truth…. KZbin influencers (J.S.) are just making money and being a show pony. Reminds me of every new country song that comes out, the same words just in mixed up arrangement. Lame

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

lol that is true. Good way to put it

[@chamblen4]

8 or 9 years ago here in Indiana the deer went in and out of rut an entire month early because of record cold temps! An entire month!! I have deer hunted for years and years!! When you say they go into rut the same time every year you sound absolutely ignorant!

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Read what you just wrote lol. 8 or 9 years ago. I’m not ignorant lol. I’m saying the majority of cases it happens in November. Most case! There’s always exceptions to everything always. And yes they can come back in 28 days later after the first rut. But again primarily this is done in easy to mid November. Go argue on someone else’s page 🙄

[@chamblen4]

@@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors I am sorry I called you ignorant, and yes they almost always go in November. I thought i heard you say within a few days of the exact same time every year, my bad

[@novatsi979]

So basically he is highlighting Jeff Sturgis marketing tactics.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

He, is right here lol. I don’t pay attention to that guy. I’m not highlighting anyone in particular because I’ve seen at least a dozen people making the reports. It’s also been a lot of the magazine and online/digital companies. It’s all a business. All about money. When hunters go back to being outdoorsmen and stop relying on the marketing tactics things get a lot easier and simpler. lol.

[@sandych33ks1]

Omg Sturgis and his hunting strategies wouldn't work so well in the Adirondacks of Northern NY. No Ag and no food plots , nothing but huge mountains and thick woods where the beech trees will hold leaves until spring.

[@markheidema3699]

I had a friend tell me that the big bucks start to move around Oct. 20 every year regardless of weather. I think he's spot on. I've started to see bigger bucks on camera around that time.

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Well they always move. It’s just they start to move “more” around that time so we end up seeing more of them. 🤛

[@conraywest]

Lol

[@citysticker-chris]

Blah blah blah.😂 good job but long winded.🎉

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Maybe so. But success. 🤷‍♂️

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Triggered, jaded.

[@citysticker-chris]

Silly

[@transgenderedmuhammad8817]

When neighbors let dogs run loose and they come on my ground, those dogs are never seen again

[@Whitetailobsessionoutdoors]

Ok