RV nightmare: We REGRET buying our fancy new fifth wheel

[@LizAmazing]

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[@BDRichmondify]

I have always wanted an RV. Whenever I get really tempted to buy one I watch one of Liz's videos and feel so grateful I have never bought one

[@randywood1070]

Well said.

[@jakemanchester5139]

I second that motion.

[@JoseRivera-lk4cz]

Don’t buy new. I look at 2012 to 2018.

[@bigworldparty]

I'm getting the sense that it's quite difficult to make a home of this size with sliding walls and all, that can handle the stress of being towed all over the place. It's asking a lot of rather lightweight walls and framing. Or at least to get it right every time, the builder costs/hours would be much higher, and materials of a heavier weight/strength, which could cause issues towing. Up until recently I'd rather travel using AirBnbs which we use all over the world, until the cleaning fees and all shot way up. Sadly now budget travelling has gotten real difficult.

[@charliewatts6895]

Agree. My life dream to own one. Not anymore.

[@Mike-gc9ih]

Because of you, you helped my daughter and son in law when they were going to buy a camper. They didn't know you could get someone that specialized in camper inspection and found one to inspect the camper they were interested in. The inspector found many problems with it and backed out. Thank you for your channel!!!

[@danlaur7973]

The customer has the ultimate power here....stop buying these rigs until the build quality & customer service improves greatly

[@inthedarkwoods2022]

This channel is becoming my guilty pleasure

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for being here!

[@tomwilliam5118]

If they get a mold test, make sure it is a suspended particle test. They use a special device that sucks in air into a special filter. That filter is sealed and sent to a laboratory for testing the mold test that you get at Home Depot is only good if a piece of mold just happens to fall onto the dish. Also make sure they take a battery powered leaf blower and blow into the air conditioning ducks to loosen up any possible mold do that all the nooks and crannies as well. The air circulating in the RV at least 24 hours prior to the test, this way you’ll ensure you have a good outcome whether it be positive or negative. I have first hand knowledge of having the old test done in my apartment and it tested positive for mold.

[@billm5433]

Forest River needs to step up and buyback this rv. Sickening to see the industry continue to manufacture these products.

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. It is so frustrating. I’m hoping Forest River does exactly that. Stay tuned and thanks for watching.

[@minimaxmiaandme.4971]

I bought a Little Guy Mini Max in 2022 and had a few issues that were fixed by warranty but nothing since....you are right, small builders are much better than the big guys.

[@mileshigh1321]

When there is a defective unit like this one, the manufacturer should take it back, so they can analyze it, and find out why the build quality was so low and how they can fix that!

[@LizAmazing]

Yes! That would be a great plan. Thanks for your comment.

[@gentoolive]

I'm convinced there is no good RV company, and these things should be avoided at all costs.. It's a shame.

[@LizAmazing]

Well, that’s the thing, I really don’t think now is a good time to be buying anything that is mass produced. But there are lots of independent RV manufacturers who build quality and take care of their customers. Keep watching and I talk about exactly that with SimpleCamp.

[@TheTuesday11]

@@LizAmazingLiz, it would be so helpful if you could give us a list of independent RV builders. I know you mentioned one in this video, but a van would not work for a family traveling a lot. Want to drop some names

[@duc1198s]

@@TheTuesday11 Newell or Liberty Coaches come to mind.

[@ronhall3686]

Scamp Trailers has been a small family owned builder since the 70's. Based in Backus Minnesota they build small fiberglass ( egg shell) campers that allow factory tours. They have a very loyal customer base.

[@mikam8801]

It’s time for the NHTSA to get involved. These things are a hazard, not only to the owner but to those traveling near one.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, that’s a very important part. Thanks for watching. And stay tuned.

[@ronhall3686]

NHTSA would be limited to issues on the truck end of the RV such as class B/ class A/ Super C powertrain and chassis. They are not involved with the " home end" of the build. That falls mostly on States Attorney Generals Offices consumer protection divisions. Most are built in Indiana, so good luck with an AG receiving RV industry campaign support.

[@mikam8801]

@@ronhall3686 I’m suggesting those current parameters and rules need to change.

[@caniacstevehenderson7115]

Agreed & together with the FTC 😮

[@Koza480]

Forest River should make these people whole and buy back their RV.

[@RVTIRED]

I'm in the process of buying a new RV. I found the one I want and had an inspection done, per your advice. The inspection turned up several deal-breaking issues. On Monday, the next van will be inspected and, with any luck, it'll be a better one. I can't help but think that I might've ended up on Liz Amazing if I'd bought the first van without an inspection. Thanks your for all you do, Liz. You're amazing!

[@LizAmazing]

Glad to hear this, thanks so much for your comment. Happy RV shopping and hope to see you on the road.

[@HighSierra49er]

LIz. Congratulations again on your reaching 150K subscribers on this You Tube channel. All of your hard work in helping others has created quite a following for your efforts. Well deserved, and keep the channel growing. A+

[@mikejerome630]

How are people STILL NOT getting an independent inspection on these death traps before the purchase.

[@LizAmazing]

I guess the word is still not out. I’m making these videos to help educate. Still, it’s on the manufacturer to deliver what is promised.

[@MK-lq6gt]

Impulse buying

[@smokey_gator_239]

Due to all the issues on this amazing channel, and other word of mouth, you must do a pre-purchase inspection. I feel bad because alot of these items would have been caught before they purchased.

[@joemiles6917]

I agree. An independent inspection should have found those issues before taking delivery.

[@TheTuesday11]

You should not have to have a brand new unit inspected. The companies are required to provide what they advertise. I’ve bought new cars and never had them inspected privately a brand new RV should be safe and be EVERYTHING the company says it is. My gosh, it was brand new, not used.!

[@meddac1]

I had a 2009 heartland bighorn that was built like a tank. I bought a new 2021 heartland milestone that was cardboard and tissue paper and sold it 5 months ago and fortunately it was on a permanent site as it probably would implode if it was going to be towed routinely. I'm done with RVs for the foreseeable future until quality returns.

[@LizAmazing]

This is why I’ve been saying it’s probably not a good idea to buy anything out of Elkhart these days, or anything mass produced. Fortunately, there are lots of independent RV makers like simple camp who provide the quality and service.

[@beaurex4756]

Don't hold your breath.

[@missouritravelers]

What a 🍋

[@garnettsailor1605]

Congratulations on 150k!!!🎉

[@thegenxgamerr]

These poor people, it’s not enough that you have to worry about every day life. Groceries, Work, kids, life on top of that you got to deal with all of this crap. Good luck.

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. Thanks for watching and I hope to report back with an update.

[@823Steve]

Buy-Back! No if, ands, or buts! Keep up the great work Liz.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks Steve. Please share if you can to help grow the reach of this video.

[@EmilyZackino]

Your videos are always filled with such warmth and kindness! Thank you for your great sense of humor and ability to share your joy!👏🏻🌞🥃

[@LizAmazing]

Oh, that is so kind of you, Emily! I’m so glad you are here. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend.

[@RobsNeighbor]

Thank you for sharing these Honest real Videos and helping so many! 150k Subscribers! Awesome

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you for being here! I couldn’t do it without you.

[@nobamaeveragain2012]

Keep up the great work!

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you for being here! You make this channel what it is. Have a great weekend.

[@rickwendt3071]

Should be a buyback! Thank You for your advocacy! RV Industry should start being held accountable for the garbage they are rolloing out the door!

[@LizAmazing]

Indeed. If only they would do basic things like put out a quality product and focus on the customer. Thanks for watching and stay tuned !

[@mppd20]

Shouting for people in the back "GET AN RV INSPECTION!"

[@phyllisreischl4683]

These two seem like very reasonable people. I'd probably be having a meltdown. I'm going to have faith Forest River is going to step up and do the right thing for them. Having such a good attitude and staying cool-headed should count for something.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes. I thought they made their case pretty well. Let's hope that Forest River steps up for them. Thanks for watching, Phyllis.

[@tommyNix4098]

Hard to believe a brand new rv would have this many problems. That's outrageous.

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. For that amount of money you want it right. Thanks for watching.

[@johnccman9547]

Pretty sad they have to go through that. Without a doubt the lemon law, needs to on anything that is on our roads with wheels, my best to them and good work liz!

[@seabeevet9285]

Liz, you continue to do amazing work!! Forest River should definitely do a buy back! Soft doors are indicative of ALOT of leaking water. I pray FR will do the right thing and give them their money back. Keep doing what ur doing Liz!!!

[@michaelkeller3107]

Thanks for "going to bat" for all these owners! My wife and I owned two Airstream trailers, and had a number of quality control issues with them. We did the math, sold the trailer and tow vehicle 2020 F-350.....we had approx. $160K invested. Now we are slow travelling twice a year. With that no maintenance fees, insurance, fuel, camping fees.....life is good! Love what you do, until these companies retool their entire process, these issues will continue.

[@Melancholy1966]

Most new RV's are junk, our friends bought a new 5th wheel last year, they've had nothing but problems with it and have been back to the dealer time and time again trying to get things fixed. My husband and I camp out of a 1993 Elkhorn camper, we paid $850 for it about 6 years ago, the original fridge finally died after 31 years, everything else still works great.

[@LizAmazing]

Yep! Hang onto that classic. They knew how to build them back then. Thanks for your comment!

[@billzech4337]

The problem is corporate America!

[@LizAmazing]

Profits over people for sure. I think that's pretty short sighted. Thanks for your comment!

[@paigeanstead2089]

Definitely should get a buyback. This is terrible! It will never be right, no matter the repairs.

[@LizAmazing]

That’s my concern too. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

[@mildredwebster2822]

Looking forward to updates on this couple

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, thanks Mildred!

[@1hjehje]

I was concerned when I saw the wheel bearing issue that they are having. This is a safety concern that shoulld be addressed before towing the trailer to a new location. Also, if one wheel is like that, what about the other wheels? Even if it is as simple as having a wheel seize up while on the road, it would not be an easy or cheap fix. If I was in this situation., I would seriously consider having the trailer inspected before moving it from it's current location. Hopefully the inspection will identify any safety issues that are present so that they can be fixed as soon as possible and to provide a comprehensive list of everything that needs to be fixed. They can then use this document to show proof to the vendor that such problems actually exist.

[@melberry5379]

Part of the issue is that they put such garbage axles on most of these. Even the best ones are supposed to be serviced every 12,000 miles or so. They don't exactly emphasize it, but if you don't have it done, it can void your warranty.

[@hippiebits2071]

💯 my thoughts as well! That would be my #1 priority and I would likely have the repair inspected after by an independent third party.

[@beverlyweber171]

For these serious issues to happen with a unit supposedly only a month old when sold and two weeks in service is criminal. That floor had been soaked and rotting for more than 6 weeks

[@LizAmazing]

I know, it is so scary. Thanks for watching Beverly and stay tuned.

[@travismull944]

Good on you, Liz!

[@277mitchell]

If k ever do buy a camper, it will be a before covid camper, and i would have it inspected, but i think i will buy a van and build it myself. Thank you, liz. You do so much. Congratulations on 150,000 subscribers.

[@charliewatts6895]

Agree. Don't buy anything from 2020 and newer.

[@GENECARP]

Best RV station on YT

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you, Gene, please share this video to help these folks and the channel.

[@johnminichielli8957]

The three rules of RV Purchase. 1. Don't buy new. 2. Don't buy new. 3. Don't but new. Two years old is the minimum to work the bugs out and see if it still is worth buying.

[@LizAmazing]

Before 2018 on some models. Best to do your research on that particular model. I recommend going on the owners forums to get the inside scoop. Thanks for watching, John.

[@sylviaisgod6947]

4. Don't even buy an RV. Stay in a hotel, so much cheaper and easier.

[@sigsauer3719]

Forest River should pay them punitive compensation…ridiculous…go Liz…

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. They've been through a lot with this. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@allan9603]

RVing 101: ALWAYS get an independent RV inspector to go over an RV BEFORE you buy it!

[@LizAmazing]

Exactly. However an inspection might not catch these issues, which didn't come up until a few weeks later. It's on the mfr to put out a quality product for sure. Thanks for watching.

[@george9258]

Buy back

[@LizAmazing]

That’s what I’m thinking, thanks for your comment George

[@mildredwebster2822]

Definitely a buy back. They bought a new unit, they deserved a new unit. Buy back and start over. I'm definitely shocked again at another story

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. Sure hope Forest River helps them.

[@JeremiahHexx]

YOU GET WHAT YOU pay for. Forest River RVs are cheap garbage.

[@SpykersB]

Buy back. Until these manufacturers stop making crap, then no question it should be a buy back. 🍻

[@hippiebits2071]

These aren’t insignificant issues. The trailer is brand new and unusable. It’s encouraging Forest River stepped right up at your initial request. Hopefully they were serious about standing behind their product and will take what ever steps necessary to get this working family back on the road in a fully functional unit.

[@kyfeam]

more people need to see you video's and realize any RV built in the last 4 years are pure trash.. buy at your own risk folks..

[@chonkyb3134]

If Forest River were an honest company, they would buy back this unit !

[@RobertPeru2749]

I keep reading comments from people saying that it's a brand new product and they shouldn't have to have it inspected. In a perfect world that makes sense but look around at the crap products that are being sold and ask yourself does it really makes sense to not have a new one inspected. Wake up peeps!

[@LizAmazing]

Yes. Getting an inspection on new didn't used to be a thing, but now it is! Thanks for watching, Robert!

[@jeremiiah1797]

The way the industry works is just wrong. We need a lemon law similar to automobiles. People spend 100K or more and then have to struggle through the first year trying to get something similar to the "NEW" item they were supposed to have. While they fight the dealer and the builder, they are out of a home in some cases for 6 months or more. These companies should have to buy it back or swap it out. They can spend 6 months fixing it on their own time and then sell it as used.

[@lisawright9626]

Where the heck is the quality control with these RV’s!! This is beyond ridiculous it affects most rv’s across the board time for changes!!!

[@melberry5379]

Why would they worry about quality? The warranty periods are short, easy for you to accidentally void, or easy to slow walk you through. Most RV media, even on YT, are associated with either dealers, or manufacturers. There are very few consumer protections. Most purchase contracts include forced arbitration, so very often, you can't even sue them. Even when you can, the regulations either don't exist, or slant in their favor. On the odd chance you get a buyback, or some other settlement, you won't be able to publicize it because you'll have to sign an NDA.

[@donnac.1609]

If Forest River acknowledges any issue with this 5th wheel it will be a shocker! They will block every call with customer service remarks read from from a cue card! Then they will just not have anyone available for the call and will never call back! They are horrible to get help from.

[@LizAmazing]

It's a wonder they can stay in business with tactics like that. It seems so basic to me to put out a quality product, stand behind your product, and be customer focused. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@jasona5806]

Thankfully your vids are getting out to peeps looking to buy..

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, I am hoping to help educate RV shoppers as well as RV owners. Thanks for being here.

[@robertavila4653]

Simple camp needs to make more products

[@LizAmazing]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they do! Thanks for watching.

[@aintdatsnipes177]

Crapification, ie to hold soaring costs down, manufacturers cut corners until, well, you have this! And it's in virtually everything, bought 4 security camera's couple months ago, already threw away 2 for bad boards....After 4 Months LOL!

[@smashtoshismackamoto4746]

The disrespect of the hard-earned money consumer is astounding. Ya cant slap together garbage for 6-figures and there be no accountability. That well is running dry quickly.

[@melberry5379]

Beyond all the standard BS with the industry, they're taking advantage of the fact that many people turn to RVs as a cheaper way to live and move where jobs are. It's far easier to buy an RV and move it than it is to try and move to another area. Often it's far cheaper too. Couple years ago I lost my job because I couldn't afford to move from Kansas to California on the $5k raise they offed me. Just my rent would have cost 5 times what it does here. Until we realized just how bad the RV industry was, we were considering it as an option.

[@mikefoehr235]

I was wondering when Forest River would make the channel...here we are. I love that sponge floor. To contrast our 18 ROO has a floor as solid as rock. We were tempted to buy a Roockwood Mini Lite....not happening.

[@melberry5379]

Regardless of the brand name, Thor and Rev Group own like 80% of them. Both companies are garbage.

[@LizAmazing]

I did a couple videos a while back about Riverstone, but that's been about a year. Glad you are happy with your ROO! Happy travels and thanks for watching.

[@zooedca]

Biggest tip is - Get an independant inspection before money transfers hands.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, although that won't catch a lot of problems discussed in this video. I still recommend getting one though. But it is on the mfr to put out a new product in full working order. Thanks for watching.

[@michaelgrow8630]

Thanks liz.

[@williamwatson689]

The RV (many) manufacturers need to be brought before Congress. The manufacturers are fleeaseing the public because the quality and service problems never stop.

[@PhilipMcCartney-pq8fs]

Changes that are badly needed in the law should take care of these issues. Liz shouldn't need to exist as the answer to these constant rediculous problems but we are lucky she does !

[@wayneo1082]

If it’s falling apart like it is then the factory should but the unit back. Even if you get an inspector to look at a unit new they won’t be able to see anything wrong because it’s not in use.

[@LizAmazing]

That's true. An inspection is not foolproof. It's on the mfr to put out a solid unit from the get go. Thanks for watching, Wayne.

[@billkoch9900]

Forest River should buy back as this is a Lemon. We’ve had 4 Forest River trailers and love the quality, so Forest River do the right thing for these people.

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for this, Bill. I hope Forest River does right by them. Stay tuned.

[@e-bikeskibum7141]

Buy back time!! Forest River...your reputation is on the line. Either you back the product you sell or you don't.

[@pi-sx3mb]

The RV industry - losing business 1 customer at a time. Or for people who do their research on KZbin, 20 customers at a time.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes. All it will take is for one company to do things right. Then there will be a line out the door! Thanks for watching.

[@pi-sx3mb]

@@LizAmazing For sure! Once it's a thing, a reputation is pretty much set in stone, be it good or bad!. People are. desperate for quality in all products because it's so rare.

[@rvnut1133]

You could gift me a Forest River and I would say - No!! Thanks.

[@titaniumsandwedge]

Liz obviously does a good job. It seems to me the RV industry have low quality standards. Nobody would put up with the BS if it were a house. The industry does not seem to want to improve. This keeps Liz and her channel in business.

[@melberry5379]

You are incorrect. This is definitely an issue with new houses. There are almost as few protection with those as there are with RVs. Most manufactured homes (not modular) and tiny homes are built to FEMA code which is very similar to RV code. Modular and stick built homes are built to IBC (international building code) standards. Even with those there are issues, but it's usually more with quality than safety. You still have many of the same issues that you do with RVs though.

[@titaniumsandwedge]

@@melberry5379 I have had several new homes in my life. None have had the astounding defects I have seen in this channel. Just the need to get an OC is enough to ferret out major defects. Home builders have a reputation to protect and will make their product right. Seemingly RV builders don't really care about quality.

[@melberry5379]

@@titaniumsandwedge I'm afraid that your particular circumstance is not the norm. While some builders do value their reputation, you have many of the same problems. Short warranties, slow walking repairs, and finger pointing that very often goes nowhere. Developer blames the builder, builder blames the subcontractor, etc. Your foundation go bad? Yeah, our warranty doesn't cover what we didn't build. Roof leaks? Yeah, that's on the roofing company. Windows fog up? Yeah, that's a manufacturing defect, our warranty doesn't cover that. You'll have to call them. Electrical have an issue? Sorry, they went out of business. You're gonna sue? Well, if you look at your contract, you'll see you can't. You have to take us to arbitration with an arbiter of our choosing. Oh, this is the rare occasion you can sue? Here's this settlement, but you have to sign an NDA, or we'll bleed you dry in court.

[@titaniumsandwedge]

@@melberry5379 What world do you live in? I bought new houses from entities that in their capacity as 'general contractor', did all the warranty chasing around. There were always punch list items but over time, they all got resolved. It seems my experience has been with higher end houses and yours, lower end. In this video, the couple had a weak floor board. This is in a new RV. If it were a house, the builder would not get an OC until it was fixed.

[@jeffsteele1295]

All anyone want is a fair deal. This is far from any type of a fair deal. These people are a lot nicer than I would have been. God Bless them for having to put up with such an ordeal !

[@jasonradmacher8013]

Seems like those of us that are the consumers should join forces and create our own high-quality RV manufacturer for which the bylaws would require it cannot be sold outside of the grass-roots shareholders -- never selling to a holding company nor a competitor. Great work as always, Liz.

[@LizAmazing]

That’s a great idea Jason! If you watched last weeks video, another idea is to create an RV consumer group. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

[@rvhome5599]

Liz, what about a lobby group , go to Washington and force them to have the same safety standards then automobiles. I always tell my wife that our class A is a death trap and that an Angel keeps us alive, it’s terrible

[@norm5785]

Thank you for sharing. This is just unacceptable by any means. Manufactures don't care to address. They are going after State laws that are in favor of the purchaser.

[@melberry5379]

In most states, there are few to no regulations at all for the RV industry.

[@griswald7156]

Have you seen the “angles Morts” stickers….? They are on all of the European lorries coming to the UK. As English speakers we all know what they mean…

[@LizAmazing]

No, I have not heard of that. You’ll have to enlighten me. And thanks for watching.

[@jayking6281]

The "Angles Morts" (Blind Spots) sticker is a visual warning sign that draws attention to blind spots in road traffic. A blind spot is an area that the driver cannot see due to the vehicle design, even though it should be in view.

[@jocelynb8935]

I don’t get why someone would buy a very expensive RV (a lot of times it’s an upgrade and not their first rodeo) and don’t get an RV Inspection. I got a used $32k class C and I got one.

[@johnkaiser3868]

Only thing I would accept for this "brand new" unit is a buyback. I have owned a 2015 motorhome for 7 years now and have never had any quality issues. Very sad.

[@stuartriley]

Just buy it back Forest River! Shabby workmanship isn’t a selling option but being good with your word should make your decision to buy it back.😮

[@stephennowicki7158]

Forest River should buy back.

[@kathykeene2092]

Did Forest River send out a representative to see the 5th Wheel? Has anyone from the company seen it at all? If no, then they probably want to see it for themselves before even considering a buy-back. If I was the owner of Forest River, that would be my policy.

[@edwardnelson3413]

Thirty seconds in, I bet they did not get a pre-purchase inspection.

[@myfriendoretheshepherd6618]

I’ve seen nothing but nightmares from RV owners. I was originally going to sell my house when I retired and go RVing but now no way.

[@LizAmazing]

Best to buy from a small independent RV maker, like I say in the video, or to buy a solid well built classic. Thanks for watching.

[@rontressler647]

A person would have to be insane, to buy an RV today.

[@LizAmazing]

That’s why I said that it’s probably not a good idea to be buying anything mass produced. But definitely check out independent RV makers. Buy enlarge. They put out a good product and take care of their customers. Keep watching and I talk about exactly that with SimpleCamp.

[@borabora4480]

FR needs to start holding their manufacturering plant personnel accountable as well as their 3rd party suppliers for crap equipment. FR seems to be listening more but they need to be building better on the front end.

[@LizAmazing]

Indeed! Thanks for this!

[@mikefly562]

The structural integrity of a Guillow's balsa and tissue model airplane is better then RVs today. I was with friends when we rented a trailer and it would fall apart if you stared at it wrong. The owner said it was actually a POS anyways.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, so sad. That's why I think it's best to avoid mass produced RVs these days and go for quality independent makers. Thanks for watching

[@JT-1969]

Hi Liz, unfortunately, until there are government regulations that are enforced, RV manufactures will continue to produce poor quality products. Yes, occasionally people get a good unit, but more and more people are getting poor quality units, what you show is a very small fraction of the number of people suffering the same issues. The best way to improve this is for everyone to stop/boycott buying new RV’s. Until we put a hurt on the industry as a whole, nothing will change. I own a 2004 TrailBay 27DS, I will continue to keep this unit until the manufacturers can produce quality units again. Thank you for helping all you can, may God Bless you in all you do! 🇺🇸

[@LizAmazing]

It's a wonder they can stay in business if they put out shoddy products and then don't take care of the customer. All it will take is one company doing it right and there'll be a line out the door!! Thanks for watching. If you are buying new, best to go for a small independent RV maker, as I say in the video.

[@JT-1969]

@@LizAmazing Hi Liz, I’d love for you to showcase a small RV maker that produces 5th wheels, something in the 35 foot range with multiple floor plans. At this time I don’t know of any that exist. America needs to take a stand against these large companies, demand better!

[@GoingOffGrid101]

Well dang I have a 2014 spree connect 280 with a massive solar system 1600w solar thats expandable to ground mount and 15kwh battery 3000w inverter and i run my AC through the night. i have not had much wrong with mine and we travel a lot with it. guessing 10 years ago was the sweet spot.

[@dearyvettetn4489]

Forest River should buy it back. What’s worst about all of this is that the dealership they bought it from probably charged them an inspection fee which IMO is a ripoff because they seem to miss these very obvious problems. I’m in the process of purchasing a used RV but I’m paying for an independent inspection, on top of that the dealer’s inspection/dealer prep fee which they say is nonnegotiable. So I’m basically paying twice to have it inspected. I don’t understand how they’re being allowed to charge for a service that they are not properly providing.

[@ralphy199]

Like always thank you for male it us aware of these RV companies give us the cold shoulder

[@jeanninekoski1699]

Need to buy it back. When you have that many issues, why should they be stuck with this thing?

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. It’s been one thing after another for them. I hope that is what happens. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

[@Dangman-s8i]

R/V's built today and the last few years are junk. All the manufacturers build them with the cheapest materials possible. When you have to get a R/V inspector to inspect your new R/V at the dealership you know your in trouble. Don't expect when it breaks down your dealer will fix it in a timely manner-the qualified techs that the dealership have (maybe 1 or 2 at most) are so backed up you will be waiting months for any repair-your warranty will expire while waiting. My advice is DON'T buy an R/V unless you want a headache and you like spending money on repairs.

[@sylviaisgod6947]

*you're

[@benbazy9238]

Liz, quick queston, correct me if I am worng, it appears that an independent inspector would not have picked up on any of these as at the time of purchase everything was working. Is this correct? Second question, would an inspector have been able to notice any frame issues? Thank you for a great channel and helping so many people.

[@RobertStrong-v5u]

There is no way I would take that fifth wheel back. With all of those problems, I can't imagine what else could happen. It's going to be one problem after another. I would want all of my money back that I paid for the unit, and also all of the money I paid for repairs. With that trailer, I would be constantly worrying about what is going to happen. Plus there is only a 1 year warranty. After the 1 year is up, you will be paying for some major repairs. That is one more expense to pay for. plus your monthly loan payment.

[@melberry5379]

You wouldn't have much choice. Even if you sued them, there are very few states that have lemon laws, or regulations on manufacturers. You would likely lose.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, it's so sad, Robert. All they want is to get what they paid for, but now they have lost confidence in the safety and integrity of it. I hope to have an update soon. Stay tuned, and thanks for watching.

[@kenpeterson3758]

They need to buy it back!

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for your vote, I agree! Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

[@skye1212]

RV industry is tirning people off in droves. It's going to catch up to them. Forest River should refund their money.

[@GENECARP]

I don’t think the floor is rotted, you won’t fall through..those floors are designed to float…expand and contract as weather and humidity change….you can’t lock the floor down with cabinets on top…floor needs 3/8” space all around..

[@LizAmazing]

It sure doesn't look right to be so bouncy though. It seems like it is missing some support.

[@jackblock777]

Are RV companies putting themselves out of business? Looks to me like their days are numbered - they are doing it to themselves. There’s only a small group of people who can afford luxury RVs and words getting around fast!

[@LizAmazing]

I know it, Jack. It's got me shaking my head. That's why I suggested looking at small independent RV makers. I think that's the way to go these days. Thanks for watching.

[@jamiemiesler322]

It’s sad to watch people go through all these problems. The whole industry needs a revamp. Seriously. What went wrong & when? When did it become ok to sell garbage under the guise of being “great quality”? It’s either been slowly going down hill or something happened or someone bought these companies & they obviously do not care about their product. Yikes!

[@absentmindedprof]

Sadly, "brand new" doesn't mean what it did 30 or 40 years ago. These days, it's all about the bottom line. Customers are often seen as little more than cash cows.

[@LizAmazing]

So short sighted on their part. All it will take is for one company to treat their customers well and the others will either fall in line, or go out of business. Thanks for watching.

[@Mach11976]

Buy Van = Build your own, only if you are able and have a few skills. I know, that's no fun lol. Thanks Liz

[@tinbarnranch]

They paid for a NEW properly built unit. This unit will NEVER function properly. FR knows this and also knows their chances of a re-sale on this one is slim to none. Buy back would be the only offer I would accept. People simply must refuse to buy mass produced RV's from these huge corporations.

[@abubbleoff1742]

Worked on RVs for years. Nothing has changed. All garbage. You can inspect till the cows come home, doesnt matter.

[@LizAmazing]

They used to make them solid, like tanks! I know lot of folks with RVs that are 10+ years old. I say, hang onto those! If you want to buy new, go for a small independent mfr who stands by their product, like I say in the video. Thanks for watching.

[@2skyp]

If there are frame issues, a buy back would be appropriate. So this brings me to my question for you, Liz: If no frame issues and they agree to fix the list of problems, is it worth it at this point to bring with them an independent inspector to make sure all the issues were handled correctly?

[@LizAmazing]

That might be a possibility. I think they are really wanting a buyback because of all the other issues that are safety related though.

[@theien5929]

All I can say is “the. Bigger the rv the bigger in number and size of the problems”.

[@LizAmazing]

That's often the case. Thanks for watching.

[@brucemitchell5637]

I can't believe that these RV manufacturers think that there are going to be no repercussions by putting out shoddy products. Do they not know that the RV community talk to each other? Do they not care about repeat customers?

[@LizAmazing]

You said it, Bruce!

[@garnettsailor1605]

How is it that the crappy companies can afford to buy the good companies and turn them into crappy companies?

[@melberry5379]

Because they're the ones raking in all the cash from cutting corners and stiffing customers.

[@melberry5379]

Because they're the ones raking in all the cash from cutting corners and stiffing customers.