Grand Design RV unsafe to move, what happens now?

[@LizAmazing]

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[@RevDrKNA-qw7yp]

Liz, the RV makers are all going Boeing

[@LetArtsLive]

I was born with a bone to my spine I will never be able to afford one of these it really really pisses me off.... somebody needs to send a real news person there..... who is building these things?? It's the factory that's the problem don't they inspect them someone needs to really inspect them they inspect houses why doesn't a government agency inspect these? You have to get your car inspected.. maybe you can't tell when they're brand new and they look really nice I don't know but this is ridiculous and how much was it nobody said that your whole life savings gone to a piece of crap.. you must really care about people because I know you're not making a killing on views.. I bet if I go camping this fall the people at the campground know about your videos.. if you knew what happened to me the last time I went camping you would not believe it but it would be quite long

[@georgelewandowski6481]

Tiffin should buy it back! I can’t believe that the lemon laws for vehicles doesn’t cover RVs, it should be the same deal, even more so for RVs!

[@debradavis768]

What has Grand Design done to help? One month is WAY too long to keep a customer waiting for this big of an issue. This could mean life or death on the road for the customers and those people on the road near them. I just would not feel comfortable knowing how that frame was and the added weight.

[@CORLEONESPORTS97]

i have a new rule, ill give you a down payment after 15 days of using a rv if it checks out, ill authorize the other amount , i'f it turns out to be junk, that down will be reversed , i'f theres no lemon laws in that state, ridiculous, has to be checks and balances

[@jimkempton5568]

I don’t know why I keep watching these videos. The memories that come back when these poor folks tell their stories, lord have mercy.

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. But I love it when they step up and do it right. As you may know, I was able to get THREE buybacks recently. Thanks for watching, Jim!

[@rchender]

@@LizAmazing There should'nt have been a situation where buy-backs were even suggested or necessary! RV's are junk! Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply fooling themselves!

[@Plumbtired]

Your experience is invaluable as someone who has been down this RV nightmare road and bought the tee shirt. Share your experience so others can be on the lookout.

[@Ekanselter]

Having worked for many years on vibration monitoring equipment on large industrial machines, I can tell you that putting non-engineered stiffeners and braces on equipment in an attempt to correct vibration and stress-fracturing will typically result in simply 'moving the problem' instead of correcting it.

[@LizAmazing]

Yep, I can believe that. thanks for watching

[@drn13355]

Agree. I cannot imagine just slamming welds all over and random steel plates is really well thought out "repair".

[@cdlund2840]

Exactly correct. If the entire frame is not engineered to flex just adding welds and gussets will not fix the issue for very long and could actually increase the damage.

[@mikefoehr235]

Also many frames say DO NOT WELD because of heat treatment. You see stickers on big rigs, pick up trucks 🚚 etc

[@quantumtechcrypto7080]

Is tube steel frames tempered like the C channel type Frames on trucks?? Not in my experience.

[@GENECARP]

Most important RV channel, Liz Amazing

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so much, Gene. Feel free to SHARE this video! Sure need to get the word out.

[@c.p.1688]

She’s hopefully making a difference!

[@GENECARP]

@@c.p.1688 Thus far she has….manufacturers have bought back some units that without the pressure of Liz and her audience would not have done, Additionally if nothing else future buyers are being informed of certain companies that clearly are not there for their customers…

[@renodowns5256]

We need lemon laws for RVs.

[@LizAmazing]

There is a national law, the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, but we do indeed need more. Thanks for watching.

[@ksemery]

There is an exclusive Barrister named Ron Burdge that specializes in RV Lemon Laws. Also RV Companies cannot hold you to a signed NDA in a contract nor a settlement. Supreme Court has ruled this mute. They are incorrigible!

[@gdt5430]

As long as RVIA and RVDA are alive and lining the pockets of State Legislators and Congress Members there will never be RV Lemon Laws. Magnuson Moss doesn't really help all that much in these Lippert frame issues, these are material, engineering and design failures.

[@bwalker4194]

There would be no RVs if that were to happen.

[@DisabledNomads]

@@ksemery Does holding an NDA apply to mobility scooters? We''ve had a terrible problem with scooters we bought. They will not do anything to make it right because we posted videos showing the disaster that they are. They wanted us to remove all our videos and I'm not about to do that because people need to be aware of their incredibly shoddy product.

[@RevDrKNA-qw7yp]

RV makers have gone Boeing

[@Shopsktkolsc]

Good one 😊

[@SallyT269]

I'm of the opinion to stay away from publicly trade companies.

[@LizAmazing]

Sure hope they straighten up and fly right!!!

[@dylandelarosa9856]

No, Boeing went to rv makers

[@homebuilder4367]

Only because wealthy people continue to throw their money down!

[@69A12SuperBee]

I’m really getting addicted to this channel, Liz, You are an excellent presenter and have been the number one liaison for these unfortunate folks and the shoddy RV industry. You have been a patron saint in so many ways. Thank you so much for what you do, and for the content you provide keeping people Informed. ❤

[@testtesting2868]

All of these videos regarding defects have convinced me to get the RV retirement toy out of my head and stick with nice hotels.

[@cellis5111]

Grand Disaster is getting to be common on this youtube channel

[@LizAmazing]

Not on this channel, but yes the frame failures of Grand Design are all across KZbin. Thanks for watching.

[@Milesco]

​@@LizAmazing "Grand Design" has to be the biggest *misnomer* in the industry! The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife!

[@betsyoman7173]

I'm so glad we bought a cargo trailer. We've done some insulation and built a bed. We've got a cassette toilet and a table, a camp stove, a 12 volt refrigerator, etc. It's taken us several years to get this far and we may never go much further, but I'm happy with it.

[@user-gl9iz1bp1r]

A strong frame will be a heavy frame. That is the issue.

[@jiggidyjam]

Death trap on the interstate. I’m gonna steer clear of these from now one. Thanks Liz your awesome

[@fitfogey]

And also Liz Amazing.

[@kevingoins4542]

I raced quads in the GNCC circuit, and my first toy hauler was a Heartland Cyclone. Same scenario as the aforementioned with Grand Design. I used my for racing and the track etc...everytime I would stop to fill up my truck, eat etc something else had fallen off and / or broke. I fixed and covered up all the mistakes that were made, took it to different dealer and traded it in on a Dynamax Dx3, and a 30-foot Haulmark race trailer. No more problems. I now have everything inspected before taking delivery and everything found fixed. My heart goes out to you guys as I have been there. Liz. headed back to Glacier and Yellowstone in a few weeks, hope to see you on the road!

[@kaylynnfarley]

Hey Liz, great information! Thank you for the work you are doing. My husband and I are currently "crawling" back to the lower 48s from Alaska in our 2021 Montana High Country 5th wheel. Long story short. Our 5th wheel (Lippert) frame is completely falling apart. We had it at a shop in Fairbanks for almost 2 weeks for repairs. The welders working on our 5th wheel said they have seen at least 25 campers this season with the same exact issue. They said it is due to poor welding on the frames. We took several videos and pictures for our insurance showing were welds were flawed. The crossbars failed between the I-beams which caused the I-beams to flex and caused the outriggers to fail. There is a lot more to all of it but as you can imagine, everything is falling apart inside and out. We never heard anything back from the manufacturer after they said they would get back with us. Blessed and thankful we noticed the problem before we started back down the Alcan.

[@LizAmazing]

Oh my goodness. Be sure to file a report with the NHTSA. That will be the most effective in getting the manufacturers to take responsibility and build a better product.

[@robertpsotka3525]

I almost bought a 351 M Momentum , but it was during covid and the dealer wouldn't budge on the price so I didn't buy it . Thankyou Jesus

[@LizAmazing]

Oh goodness. You dodged a bullet there. I am hearing good things about older toyhaulers, pre 2017, so if still interested, check them out. Thanks for watching.

[@dmlagrange]

COVID era RVs are some of the worst garbage they ever put out.

[@jamiesuejeffery]

After owning three different 5th wheels (and I don’t believe this is the problem on this particular RV), is that it is really, really, really easy to overload these vehicles so that a) the RV itself is not rated for the weight (don’t forget that a gallon of water weighs 8 pounds), and b) and more important, the tow vehicle is not rated for that weight. If I have any advice, it is this: weigh your combination vehicle before taking a trip. If you are overweight, shed some things that you know you will not need. I know I was way overweight at least one time-I smoked my truck brakes coming down from Wyoming to Denver. The same thing goes for class a and b motorhomes.

[@billmalec]

Lippert strikes again!

[@LizAmazing]

Sure hope they are making better frames these days! Thanks for watching, Bill

[@stephenbrasure4331]

Or is it because Grand Design didn't order/pay for an appropriate frame. I've read that they are both blaming the other party.

[@gcanada3005]

If generator parts are backed up 18 months from brand new. Simply replace the generator. WTF is wrong with these scamming manufacturers

[@watchmanonthewall14]

@@gcanada3005 Yes, that one aspect of this situation should be the most straightforward fix.

[@Milesco]

​@@gcanada3005(and "watchmanonthewall") Yes! My thoughts exactly!

[@act1sciii]

At Lippert, we guarantee your frame will have the most flexible range in the industry!

[@patrickcooper1122]

😂

[@hkk3656]

You got the handyman special. You didn't know it, but you got it.

[@SpykersB]

As long as people keep buying these 40+ ft rigs they are going to keep making them! Because if u want to pull it with a f350 dually they gotta make it light as possible. Stop wanting these big long houses on wheels people. Cause of course there is going to be frame problems they gotta make it long and as light as possible 🙄. So they gotta cut corners some where! You want a 45ft fifth wheel go get it properly built n pull it with an HDT truck because its going to be heavy as it should be. I wouldn't be surprised if every single 40ft-er doesn't have frame problems, only most rvers don't know it. 🍻

[@mackellyman5642]

You hit the nail on the head...

[@markthompson2079]

Another Grand Design/Winnebago failure?!?. Who would have thought. You couldn't pay me enough to even use one from this company period. I don't care what they say cause they have tried way to hard to shuffle off everything on the owners. Grand Design is toast as a brand. So is Winnebago for they are the parent company who should have taken care of the customer. Most places will not even take these in trade and insurance is not wanting to insure them. Keep them coming Liz!!

[@scottmichaels12]

Lippert is the biggest problem and Grand Design is deep in bed with Lippert.

[@wendelltroyer]

So how about Winnebago buying newmar. Newmar going down too

[@leonardh8269]

Stay away from slide outs. the extra room ain't worth the headache in the repairs that are involved

[@LizAmazing]

Slide outs can indeed be a source of problems. Thanks for watching and commenting, Leonard!

[@darcymoon2109]

I agree! Simpler is less likely to break!

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Do you know why my 8-year-old trailer has never had a slide-out problem? Because it does not have a slide!

[@bindingcurve]

People want the room.

[@leonardh8269]

@@bindingcurve well then don't complain when that s*** breaks and it cost $1,000 to fix... Do you get on here pissing and moaning

[@josephmurolo5656]

Profits over quality and focusing on the next quarter’s financials happened in the car industry and if you are old enough, you know the story. We are ripe for the overseas competition to pick up a good chunk of the business. I’ve seen some real quality being made out there and unless the government drops the hammer with tariffs, we will be seeing them on the road in the future.

[@LizAmazing]

Indeed. But all it will take is for one company to step in and do it right. There would be a line out the door! And then the other companies would either up their game, or go out of business. Thanks for watching, Joseph!

[@BajaGirl302]

Great point! And making more for profit ends up biting them in the rear end! Because of the fixes needed snd if they have any kind of morality, sorry my just went blank thinking of another word, they would do the right thing, and buy it back if need be

[@purselmer5931]

This is a great analogy. This is exactly what happened to the auto industry.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

Of course we will. American workers are the most expensive workers in the world.

[@yt650]

Sunshine is a wonderful thing. Similar scenario, homebuilder won’t come back and fix issues they caused when the home was construct. I told them every person that comes into this development has to drive past my house and tomorrow I put two posts in the ground and a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood on them. The next day, I paint on the plywood, the following: XXXX builder will not come back and fix problems caused by them in construction. Originally they told me to sue them before I told them about the sign and then it only took two days to have the problems resolved. You need a banner. You can hang it out at every place you go , watch this KZbin channel and read about this rig.. Notify the manufacturer first in case they want to buy the rig back. With social media, they must be stupid to do something like this.

[@scottmichaels12]

Grand Design has done a great job on KZbin of building a "Propaganda Machine". Matt with Matt's RV Reviews is a big supporter and you have channels like Less Junk More Journey and Finding Our Someday who are "Brand Ambassadors" who are CONSTANTLY singing the praises of both Grand Design and Lippert. KYD even did the Grand Design Momentum thing for awhile. People really need to understand that these KZbinrs are being paid to say positive things about these companies, they are not giving you an honest review of the product.

[@angie-xy5sf]

yep and other young guy out of dallas pushing crap

[@randys766]

You’ll never run out of content, that’s for sure

[@traveldreamer4616]

It is terrible to see the industry push these issues onto buyers. Fifth wheel construction should be stopped until the issue is solved. Thank you for investigating these issues.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes. Just stop building them until you can do it right. Thank you for this! And for watching.

[@homebuilder4367]

The industry is not pushing anything on these buyers; they are willfully giving them their money. If I have been warned that a product is poorly made, I don’t buy it! Wake up, people; what happened to common sense?

[@Milesco]

​@@homebuilder4367 Did the manufacturer warn the buyers that the product they were building and selling was *crap?* Why are you blaming the victims? Your screen name gives me some insight as to what side you're on, and why. Suffice it to say that I would not want to buy a house built by you!

[@homebuilder4367]

@@Milesco I don’t build homes; we find forever homes for abused foster teens.

[@OntarioBearHunter]

​@@homebuilder4367 agree.. this guy supposedly owned a marine dealership... he's just upset he got effed by hype and the same promises and lies he used for 25 years.

[@ralphp3057]

Wow! Grand Design should be called Grand Disaster! Thanks Liz for your efforts.😁👍

[@Patty747]

Our door used to pop open all the time on our travel trailer. It was held closed by the railing that we folded over it. We traded that in for a motorhome. It's still sitting on the dealer's lot and they reduced the price almost down to what they gave us in the trade.

[@billyjohnson9166]

Liz I stand by my comment people shouldn't be buying new RVs. Start a revolution in the RV industry.

[@2legit64]

I agree wholeheartedly. If I get an RV, it will be an older model that has been road tested.

[@purselmer5931]

Absolutely right.

[@rdl99]

I only watch these because Liz is so great. Was ready to buy an RV until I stumbled on her channel. No longer a buyer but still love her videos.

[@dlebreton7888]

You should have been reimbursed for every penny you had to spend! That company should have taken that rv back the first time there were so many problems and returned you money! You are so lucky there was no accident. I am so surprised you did not.

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for an update.

[@bassplayer1960]

This video makes me feel real good about our 19’ Airstream Flying Cloud!

[@jetdriver]

Buying a class A even one of the more expensive ones like a Newmar is no guarantee that you won’t have major problems.

[@manoli.k]

If the generator couldn’t be fixed for 18-months they should have just replaced it. We were dead set on GD for our next toy hauler. GD has destroyed their reputation to save a few bucks on their frames.

[@Mach11976]

Sorry y'all had to go through this, these manufacturers are money driven and basically screw the customer. Hope it all works out. Be safe

[@narrowjay0]

We owned a very small camper. A Forest River Salem FSX Platinum 179 DBK. We blew a tire and it bent the frame! Lippart had to come out, straighten it and weld a "support" piece for it. Lippart blamed Forrest river because it was FR design specs that given to them. I'm never buying anything Forrest River again.

[@notanomad9320]

Yea I think there's a reason to go smaller. There's just too much to go wrong expecting these to be just like your regular house.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

No 41 foot trailer will ever pass my "eye test" for robustness of travel. I don't have to be an engineer to see that a trailer this long and heavy will not hold up on the road, with the way it is constructed.

[@bindingcurve]

​@@watchmanonthewall14 They make them, but they cost $400,000 and need to be hauled with a 650.

[@jimcornelius5809]

This is why my new rig is made by a company that builds their own frames in house.And overall quality is fantastic.Northwood Arctic Fox.

[@rictech.]

Hey Liz. This couple are spot on when it comes to manufactures selling these RVs that look better then the average home with all the amenities. They just cannot be towed 24/7 ?I have been saying this for years?

[@razorsharpbt124]

That's what I notice. I'm seeing these household appliances and wondering how they hold up to the vibration.

[@leerod]

Great to see You again Liz ❤

[@LizAmazing]

Hey there!!! Thanks for watching, Lee!

[@davidcline9547]

No toyhaulers are made to live in. We have had 2 toyhaulers, are entry level one that got totaled by a rodent but was good and a high end one that was just ok. We went to class a and a 12 foot bike trailer. Good luck getting a buy back!! We just ate the loss on our class C that was junk.

[@bindingcurve]

The fact that they were offered 50K is about what they should expect if there were zero problems with it

[@leerod]

I try hard never to miss your vids ,so much to learn about RVs😊

[@plentymangoes1231]

It’s so ridiculous how some people get good rigs and some end up with nightmares.

[@LizAmazing]

I know. So sad. Thanks for watching and I hope the RV industry wakes up and does better. MUCH better!

[@TheodoreCross-d7b]

I bought a 23' Grand Design in 2018, before Winnebago, and have had little trouble with it.

[@sumyunguy7942]

Could you please do a review on the brand “LIVING VEHICLE”. An interview of the company owner would be great. They seem to be better than the general industry and would like to know if they really are better. What says them. Apart?

[@davidmilledge221]

Thank God for these videos warning people to stay away from certain companies

[@sisterkaren1]

We are full-time RVers and have a Jayco Pinnacle 42" made in 2021 with no structural issues at all. We have only fixed minor issues. We are really happy with our rig and would buy a Jayco Pinnacle again!

[@LizAmazing]

Yay! Thanks so much for sharing this, Karen! Happy travels!

[@DOO718]

After seeing so many stories like this (most of them ae Grand Design) I will never be purchasing a GD. With that said, a Jayco Pinnacle or Northpoint will probably be my choice. I have found very little problems with them (at least on youtube). I am glad to hear yours has been great for you! This gives me more confidence. I know all RV's are "garbage", but the problems seem to be minor on a Jayco Pinnacle compared to a GD.

[@jondonahue7163]

Perhaps folks should start with a new school bus, and then fit it out as an RV. Maybe Grand Design, Thor, and Winnebago should start with school buses also. I'd forget the slides. Too much trouble, unless you greatly improve the designs and parts quality. But... as long as people keep buying these things, we will have Liz Amazing's videos to enjoy!

[@craigbowers4047]

Good ole lippert cold contaminated welding and substandard frame materials.

[@dalton6578]

This video explained many of the issues I had. I had a lot of these issues, if not all of them, plus some. My grand design was terrible, everything always was breaking. Finally, I traded it into a dealership and got a motor home.

[@laurakilmer8652]

The one thing the lady said and she is spot on. " They put all the special items in these units and hauling things you can do which gets you to buy them " And the quality of the important things are left to be desired. Wow. so sorry for people that have these units.

[@2skyp]

You're the BEST, Liz! 👍

[@LizAmazing]

You are! Thanks for being here!

[@todddubler2091]

Lippert says they build the frames to the "Brands" specifications. That may be true, but they still have a responsibility to build quality that will work as intended. Some of those problem frames are so undersized, and without proper gussets, braces, and metal thickness too thin for the job and also probably not heat treated in areas where needed that some of the blame has to be on Lippert. Personally, I think they are a big problem in this industry. I now have a diesel pusher and couldn't be happier. EVERYTHING is heavy duty compared to any trailer.

[@mikefoehr235]

Our Rockwood Roo has a Lippert Frame...so far so good. Thank god its only 23 feet long.

[@scottmichaels12]

It's not the brand of RV, it's the Lippert frames and the short RV frames have never been the problem. It's the longer 5th wheel frames that are the problem.

[@mikearbon6196]

I'm glad you say you at least recognize that you bought into it. These things are not made to live in full-time, nor to be driving across the country, subjecting others to potential dangerous situations.

[@JaysonFlint]

Liz you’re doing an amazing job, I can see the manufacturers are taking notice. I feel with so many issues they are gonna start asking your guess to sign NDA once they buy back not allowing you to get answers. I feel this way because the more they buy back the more they lose and you know how much they hate to lose. In the end who cares as long as they make things right we are all happy but it makes me wonder how many people/families they didn’t make it right with. Thanks for sharing

[@bobd9506]

You need to review the videos of the more expensive brands. Same problems.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, see today's video of an $800,000 Tiffin! Thanks for watching, Bob!

[@kennycunningham8721]

I had a KZ sportman 42ft that I hauled two HD dressers and pulled it to Cody Wyoming and stayed from April 1 to Oct 1 then to Milton Florida,to Tennessee then Myrtle Beach to New Bern NC and lived in from 2007 to 2015 full time no problem with the rig .

[@dawndoty7000]

Sad thing is, different than a house, value goes down on these rigs quickly even if no problems and built well!!

[@geraldkoth654]

Crappy welds and leaving out braces led to a recall on my trailer. A real trailer shop, Advanced Northwest welding, added about 2000 pounds of steel in a subframe and attaching the a Frame properly. They replaced the axles with heavier axles to carry the extra load. No problems with any of that in 12 years now.

[@RLBS61]

One comment Remember spending a lot of money doesn’t mean quality when it comes to RVs. Also don’t buy a brand just because friends have had good luck with them.Every RV built has different problems guaranteed.Hope you have a good update for us in the future.

[@darrylj4554]

I guess I'll keep my 1997 Sunnybrook 29DBS travel trailer. Have had 2 of the same year and model and they are built exceptionally well. They do not look as fancy as the new ones but way less headaches.

[@robertavila4653]

Great stuff as usual, thank you once again 👍👍👍

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for being here!!!

[@sad754yt]

I could only watch about 3 minutes and really felt for these folks. I finally paid off my truck Capri camper and dont think I will ever buy another rv again.

[@TheRiverstoneLife]

Hey Liz, not all these big units are bad. We bought a brand new Riverstone legacy 39RKFB 43 foot long 20,000 pounds towed it over 20,000 miles in the first year and we have no frame issues of any kind. I feel more than safe, hauling it down the road. But the new truck that’s another story. Lol 2023 GMC Duramax 1 ton Dooley transmission went out. been waiting for parts over six weeks so I guess we’re not the only ones with issues doing full-time RV LIFE. But we learned a lot and yes, we would never buy nothing this big again the RV companies keep building them bigger and fancier for the wow effect to get people to buy them but none of the trucks out there can actually haul them without issues overtime.

[@jerrymullins7969]

Wow that is scary! We went with a 40ft diesel. So glad we did!!

[@mrbreeze5556]

Thank you for all you do to keep the RV industry’s feet in the fire. Lippert knew you were on to them when they tried to silence you!

[@Happynlucky]

Thank you Liz for warning about this. I really feel fir this couple. Imagine spending your hard-earned money invaluable time. Driving a death trap on wheels.

[@mercedmedinajr3752]

I bought a forest River grey wolf and I thought everything was good until I got it home ,had to adjust the door jams and lock stops.The craftsmanship was terrible only had it 3 months and the overhead storage came un nailed. And the saw dust was all over the storage areas ,they cuts on the corner rounds under and on the walls must of been cut by ray charles.

[@dannyduncan3181]

Had to laugh when they mentioned every time they stopped somewhere there was sawdust coming out all over. A few years back we had a large 5th wheel. I opened up the bay area by the front pass through to access the area where a lot if the mechanicals and wiring were. I found an unbelievable amount of sawdust from the manufacturing process covering pretty much the whole compartment. It's a sad statement as to their fast paced get it done don't care about quality in their product attitude we see so much of. What would it have taken to have a shop vac sitting along the line at some point to clean it up. No caring, no pride in the product. Sad.

[@xenawolf]

Very sad story, what a nice dog to comfort you.

[@johnpossible6292]

If Grand Design had a floor plan that was like the Keystone travel trailer that we ended up buying i would… at the time went with a GD. With all the issues people are having now with their GDs im so glad i went with Keystone. Even after 2 years of using our Keystone heavily it has been rock solid except for some minor AC issues which GE handled right away. Not once have i had to bring my Keystone Bullet Premier back to the dealer for warranty repair. I have been extremely happy with our purchase. … knock on wood.

[@jeannineterese1037]

I’m feeling better & better about owning my 2010 Jayco camper. Never had an issue!😊

[@LizAmazing]

Yes, hang onto that classic! I have an update in my brand new video, and thanks for watching: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoHCq6KMe9KAm80

[@gailburke4174]

Would love a video on some people who purchased and are happy. Having said that these videos are very helpful in terms of explaining what can go wrong … I enjoy the channel and am happy for the information

[@LizAmazing]

Yes. I have done videos about the GOOD in the RV industry. Here’s one about a GREAT dealer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXuygHlngMqkn5I. And here’s one about an AWESOME mfr: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6apfYuXq7Gomac. Thanks for watching!

[@ohioclassCcamper]

Totally agree with the couple, buy smaller and if you can find it better quality. All these videos make say by used 2016 or older. If they are still together they probably are ok. Still get an inspection.

[@Panic42000]

There are many other KZbin channels that have your same RV and live in them full time. They travel constantly in them and don’t have problems.

[@cpiggy922]

I think one of the main problem with these rigs is they are building them too big for the frame. They’re trying to keep the weight down so they can be towed by non commercial trucks. We don’t see these frame issues with Luxe or Spacecraft which are made to haul with a commercial tractor and to be lived in full time.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

With regard to length, weight, and method of construction, I wholeheartedly concur with your assessment.

[@bindingcurve]

But they want all the features for 150k new, how else are they going to get it 😂😂😂😂

[@cjbrown4905]

They should hire Liz as their CEO. She’s the only person who will save the RV world.

[@red488truckneb]

We have a 2008, 40’ Grand Junction, we do not use, good solid unit. I feel bad for these people, work hard and buy new and get junk, I’ll sell mine. They will like it.

[@LizAmazing]

You have a good year. Hang onto that classic. I bet they would indeed like yours!!! Thanks for your comment, and for watching.

[@charlenecastaldo3602]

Another case where a buy back is the only responsible action! Thanks Liz.

[@chrisabella624]

I work at an rv repair shop and i literally see this stuff everyday. Im constantly fixing all these issues.

[@BigBisalreadytaken]

McMansions on wheels. Lippert strikes again!

[@darcymoon2109]

Perfect analogy!

[@CharlesManninen]

I have a 2016 Coachmen bumper pull. The Lippert frame cracked after 5 years of use.

[@pattiellen5339]

I recently bought an older travel trailer (2010 Keystone Sprinter) and the thing is solid. The cabinet doors are real wood! I only paid $8500. No way would I buy anything made after 2019. I also have a 2017 Airstream. Also great.

[@jonathanhernandez4304]

Your Camper upper frame is disintegrating as it disconnects from the chassis but, your microwave and fridge are GOOD!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Wow! When this owner said "This unit is best to use as a Parked Model",..........he said it all. I hope Grand Design steps up to the plate makes him whole again because it is the right thing to do..........

[@markhaney7332]

Great video - our 2021 GD Solitude S-class 2930RL had frame issues. It was missing 6 out of 14 lag screws and had cracked wall plate sills on both sides. GD sent the SRT to our dealer and taught the dealer how to do the repairs. Our unit was welded and all of the missing bolts (overall over a dozen) were added. So far we have travelled from MD to Thousand Islands NY and back. Hoping the repairs hold but expect to have future issues (broken bedroom furniture, squeaking bedroom floor, rub marks on wall from frame pushing up on floor and furniture …) I added solar and lithium batteries to our camper when we bought it, so we have invested lots into it thinking this would be good into retirement. Now I do not have the confidence it will hold together. I spoke to Pete West and HBRV about our issues - Pete helped us navigate the process with GD and our dealer - took 2 months to have it repaired. Fingers crossed - BTW GD covered the repair costs fully - the frame warranty came out after our repair.

[@cpiggy922]

Don’t think a bus will be problem free. Busses have intertwined systems that if one system fails multiple systems fail down line.

[@ssconquest]

Never brought a new rv and probably never will. In fact, my 1st rv 1986 Toyota dolphin r22 engine. Never had any problems and I purchased it in 1999. My 2nd rv 34ft chieftan 1984, which I purchased in 2001. Never had any problems and drove it from Seatle to Miami in 5 days. Yes, both did full tune up, brakes, and tires. On chieftan also did shocks as well. In 2009, I got 1990 Ford e250 fiesta class b rv used it no problems until I sold it last month. Better off buying used, let new original owner do warranty repair then buy at 5yr old mark and invest savings into repairing

[@theresa337]

They might have well as built their own!

[@LizAmazing]

That's a good plan!

[@act1sciii]

I had the same thought. People could probably custom build a unit themselves for the same cost.

[@theresa337]

@@act1sciii Or less!

[@danhunt3652]

RV dealers need to be regulated and manufactures. A lemon law is needed. Grand design should do the right thing by back the fifth wheel for what you paid for it or replace it with a brand new one I can relate to the issues you’re having. i’m also having problems with the slide out on my fifth wheel.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

That would put most of them out of business. I'm surprised RVs are still made in the USA given the high cost of parts and labor.

[@terryjohnsen1689]

I totally agree with the comments made by this couple in that dealers sell a dream of a literal house and garage on wheels, and of course this can't be achieved structurely. As consumers we are use to buying things that just work and meet their design requirements, but clearly for new RV's this trust is in error and very costly in both time and money.

[@thelifeandtimesofcrazypatr699]

I found out from another youtuber. That the problems are not the manufacturer. The problem is with the supplier of all the parts they use to build the RV. The supplier is using cheap inferior products. I think you say limpert hope that's right.

[@bertram_oredrock]

If you buy a toy-hauler, you're asking for problems. I hope these nice people get the Class A MH they want.

[@LizAmazing]

Older toyhaulers are fine. I know folks with ones that are ten years old, solid for sure. It's a shame about the newer ones. You'd think they'd build them BETTER not worse. Thanks for being here, Bertram!

[@mr.wilson8340]

You are so right. I had the XLR Nitro and what a nightmare. Every time we took it out something broke. I was happy to see it go away.

[@keevs5adventures]

We had our 2020 351 Momentum repaired 5 times for frame related issues. It’s been a frustrating year for us. We also don’t feel confident in the repair, unfortunately, and they added so much weight for the repair, we have almost no carrying capacity now.

[@LizAmazing]

Oh my goodness! Thank you for sharing this and so sorry for such an ordeal.

[@davidlaunderville5695]

What have we been hauling across the country? "Crap"! Fantastic video--these huge trailers/5th wheels that replace houses just won't work...the frames cannot handle it!

[@LizAmazing]

I know so scary. I have an update in my latest video, and thanks for watching: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoHCq6KMe9KAm80

[@bumonthemove]

what the USA need is the same law we have in New Zealand: the Consumer Guaranty Act Tis act means that the goods need to be good/not break for the intended lifespan of the product. I have aside wall issue and the manufacture is replacing both sidewalls after 8 years. That's how it should be. Same with electrical stuff if it breaks after the warranty periode it still needs to be fixed or replace as the lifespan is much longer.

[@jeffalvich9434]

IMHO, Kudos to the mfg and everyone involved for jumping on this to make it right. IMHO, the mfg engineers with the tech (and the frame mfg) would have certainly been involved in coming up with the plan of how to correct the structural issues...... not only what to fix by how it can be effectively fixed and also look at future potential issues. IMHO, I'm betting your trailer's structure is more robust than anyone else's similarly sized/capacity and once you have a few good trips, you will gain confidence in your trailer and I think you have a real possibility to have a trailer that will outlast your expectations. FYI- I would also get it weighed just for the heck of it although I'm sure you are well within specs.

[@travisoneal3693]

I just bought a 2020 Grand Design Momentum 381m. It was garage kept and was in great condition, then I got home and started looking for Facebook groups to join and found all these Fran issues. So I went and looked at our new to us camper and of course it’s showing some of the signs of frame flex. I contacted GD Monday and they responded finally. I have to schedule a flame flex inspection at my nearest dealer which is Palm Beach RV. I’m still waiting for them to respond so I can schedule it. I have 5 kids and they were looking forward to camping in the rv. 🤷‍♂️

[@bellaforyou6061]

To the couple- if you buy a bus type of RV it's going to be hard to find someone to work on it and take a long time.. Also watch other KZbinrs they've had problems with some of the other brands you named that you thought would be better.

[@maryh3438]

Thank you, Liz!