Israel Palestine: UK and America must stop arms sales immediately | Shami Chakrabarti interview

During our interview with human rights lawyer and Labour peer Shami Chakrabarti, she spelled out the legal case against Israel's incessant onslaught against the Palestinians of Gaza, and why the UK needs to end arms exports now - even without publishing legal guidance.
Subscribe to our new podcast now, or you're a silly goose:
linktr.ee/pubcast

[@rorywilson656]

There's this fixation on the Nick Ferarri interview and Starmer's comments and misrepresentation of what he meant, that it was somehow an isolated error. No. The error has been the Labour silence on the issue from the beginning, leaving the SNP to repeatedly ask the tough questions in PMQs.

[@starmersbarber]

Aye, Labour stance on Israel/Palestine has been very wishy washy as they tread on eggshells. I get that, but I'm still frustrated by that wishy washiness. To me, KS sounds a wee bit like a younger version of Biden on the subject...i.e. he's desperately trying to keep as many folk onboard during an election build-up...but does tend to get tied up in knots while doing so. I don't underestimate just how difficult that position probably is to deal with. I really hope that Stamer is made of proper stern stuff when he steps into his PM shoes. I'm SNP btw...and am desperate to see these bar steward Tories well gone.

[@user-cx5li3rt8y]

@@starmersbarberstarmer is a member of the labour friends of Israel, that’s all you need to know

[@user-sd3ik9rt6d]

You can't fix one atrocity by making another.

[@mathieuleader8601]

Thatcher after Israel bombed Lebanon withdrew arms sales to Israel for over a decade so its not unprecdented and considering Sunak seeks to emulate the Italian PM Meloni which has stopped arms to Israel so you would think given those two counts Sunak could withdraw sales so easily.

[@Tamarlane389]

And lose all of his clandestine support? He’s deeply involved with them

[@scalifoo]

​@@Tamarlane389and his families investments too.

[@jamierenaut]

It would probably negatively impact one of his hedge funds.

[@user-cs3wr1nj1r]

And the real uk public will kick off we stand with Israel the government knows there be bigger problems if they start supporting terrorist hamas we won't have it.

[@kevinhay3778]

Everyone needs to speak up !!!!!

[@nigellacey559]

I just can see how Starmer made an error. How could anyone make an error like that ??

[@ashnakamura2411]

It's gas lighting. Lol it's clear what he meant. Do they take us for idiots? Well, obviously they do

[@Tamarlane389]

Liars?

[@emmadilemma3602]

We can all make mistakes, but this is the first time I've heard it actually being acknowledged properly. I wish we had heard starmer say it and then say what the real answer would be.

[@southernrealist5789]

She is disingenuous for saying this.

[@jujutrini8412]

Lawyers don’t make errors like that.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - Labeling a group of people Rats is Fascist - Labeling a group of people Human Animals is Not Fascist?

[@KittyVentura]

It's good to hear a reasonable and sane voice.. ❤

[@jamierenaut]

All be it too late.

[@Arya-cf7vu]

Lovely to see chakrabharty again but why defend Keir? Is she that sold out?

[@Jase29]

Well she sold her sole for a peerage by white washing a report on anti semitism in the Labour Party. I would suggest a perfect match for Keir seeing as she doesn't have values either.

[@jujutrini8412]

I think they are good friends.

[@genghisthegreat2034]

The actions of the United States are not substantive, the " pause " is just that, and when it has served its distraction purpose, arms shipments will resume, and the deficit will be made up. I hope Spain and Ireland move to recognise the Palestinian State, and other EU Member States follow their example, and set out the requirements for a two-State solution to be defined on the ground.

[@grumpy-dad3701]

Too true. The west supports and supports. Then have time to learn lessons and reflect. But then ramp up arms sales again. After Israel there will be somewhere else that draws the short straw and the cycle rumbles on

[@dannywhelan6030]

hamas dont want 2 state solution. and with hamas in charge nothing going change.

[@grumpy-dad3701]

@@dannywhelan6030 exactly the same could be said about Israel.

[@Tamarlane389]

@@dannywhelan6030haha. Netanyahu already said no to two states and they openly and often say they will wipe out Gaza so not sure what you’re on mate 😂

[@Dwina5892]

​@dannywhelan6030, neither do isreal or their Govt want two Stare solution. From what I can see Netanyahu & his govermentwant Pslistinians gone dead or alive but gone. IDF Isreali Troops are like NAZI STORM TROOPERS - they follow orders to the letter kill kill kill Netanyahu

[@rooksfoot1184]

"Exports" not sales ..some isrealli firms ownfactories here... So "exports" must be banned not just sales

[@g.s.8409]

I won't be fooled by these labour words 7 and a half months late. The labour party is complicit. And they were saying the opposite before and well into the conflict. Go and check.

[@HarkyOfficial]

But you’d still vote for the Conservatives? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@g.s.8409]

No im done with legitimising labour, tories, and lib dems. When the suffering is so extensive, so real and so widely known their mild-toning hiding behind truly evil actions and making excuses is the most disgusting thing I have seen. This is everything we were taught (by good teachers) not to believe in. This is everything, as good people, we are supposed to oppose. ​@@HarkyOfficial

[@jujutrini8412]

Starmer did make a mistake. He mistakenly thought that pandering to Israel would be a major vote winning exercise and he did not realise that he would have faced such a backlash for supporting a regime that enjoys committing war crimes. His error was in thinking that British people had as little regard for human rights as he has!

[@ThomasBoyd-ex5vr]

Italy stop arms sale to Israel yes.

[@user-cp7gh8zj6b]

Its never been proportional since 1948

[@ThomasBoyd-gx9wr]

Awesome. She brilliant guest speaker.

[@rebelalliance1074]

40+ Years a Labour supporter. Labour + Starmer = Vote greens or Workers party.

[@Jase29]

I see you want to support anti semitic parties. Tut tut

[@Tamarlane389]

@@Jase29dude this script is years old. Don’t they give you up to date scripts? 😂

[@Captain_Aardvark]

@@Jase29 That won't just cut it anymore. You can't just cry "antisemitism" to nullify any criticism of Israel - now Israel has massacred 35,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children, those days are over.

[@starmersbarber]

30 ish years a Glaswegian labour voter. Post-2014, Labour well and truly kicked into touch = vote SNP. It will take much more than Starmer to get my own vote earned back...but I do hope they are at least given a chance in Westminster parliament.

[@Jase29]

@Tamarlane389 umm the Green party are investigating a newly elected Councillor for anti semitism towards a Leeds University Rabbi. Plus all the Uni and weekend pro Hamas protests are run by PSC and the Workers party. Have you not seen the signs given out to the brainwashed idiots?.. Sorry to disappoint you but it looks like the Nazi and communist view on Jewish people is coming back strong disguised as "anti Israel" sentiment. I hope you can see it before it's too late. 😘

[@SarahTheNearlyInSP]

Whatever happened to "two wrongs don't make a right"...??

[@TravelPlansSite1400.]

You dont need to be Human Rights lawyer to know food, water shelter and clothiing are human beings necessity. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤

[@donnavorce8856]

When it's live streamed. . . 24/7

[@henryholderness7230]

This lady is absolutely bang on. Very well said and thanks for sharing this.

[@allmodcons2274]

So the mistake concedes Izzy has been committing war crimes from day one. So why are we still, as a geopolitical entity, supporting Izzy.

[@TheNemocharlie]

Genocide is a war crime tried separately but it's a shame that withdrawal from the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is specifically being targeted by the Conservative Party. Today on our doorstep we have the seemingly "unthinkable" situation where two of our most respected organisations (The Post Office Horizon and NHS contaminated blood scandals) have been found to be behaving in the most disgusting manner, essentially causing loss of life or imprisonment to their staff/patients and then trying to conceal it. This has continued underneath Labour, Liberal and Tory Governments and despite exposure neither organisation has come close to compensating those affected. The NHS is a post-WW2 creation but the Post Office was created many generations ago - yet both have been found to be rotten to the core. They have shamed the entire country and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the public arena by individuals and journalists - no sign of the police or lawyers because if anything they have been played and taken for fools. Both organisations now prefer to sit on their hands, failing to pay compensation to many affected and instead preferring to let them die. Hopefully, the Post Office has nothing left to hide on the same scale, however the NHS is another story. Even in general nursing it has developed a culture of concealment and turning a blind eye to crimes including murder. When the now convicted mass killer of babies, Lucy Lethby, was first thought to be a danger, the doctors and consultants who brought it to the attention of their management, they were forced to write letters of apology to her. Whistleblowers of individual scandals routinely never work for the NHS again, which suggests the last kind of doctor they want is one who is known for telling the truth, suggesting there is much to hide elsewhere. The same applies to social care staff who interact with the organisation. The "Duty of Candour" is possibly the most abused piece of legislation on record, on a par with drivers in a general speed-restricted 20mph area, 90% of whom break the law daily. Organisations that are supposed to monitor social care standards, such as the CQC and Safeguarding, are illusory. If anything, they are responsible for driving standards down because they operate tick-box systems with metrics are designed to avoid asking the most important questions. An example would be giving a small care organisation who are in fact demonstrably guilty of practicing a fraudulent deception in order to attract the most vulnerable (aka expensive) residents who find they are being given the exact opposite of what they have been promised and are trapped within an environment that ignores all legislation, civil and criminal law, run by criminals for their specific business purposes and when this is brought to the attention of the authorities, a herculean feat in itself, an "Outstanding" rating just weeks after the authorities have committed not to use in future. And hear I must declare an interest, with an NHS Continuing Health Care (CHC) funded member of my family still trying to get his Assessed Needs even minimally met after 7 years. You might think that everyone in the UK was entitled to a social worker if they needed one. This is wrong. The 40,000 people funded by CHC are prevented by statute law from having one, leaving the organisation to be judge, jury and, quite literally, executioner. There is no right to appeal an unlawful decision other than to the person that made it, other than by Judical Review, which can cost approximately £60k. Even this isn't guaranteed to work as CHC staff have been shown to be untruthful even under oath. What this has led to is an organisation that is rotten to the core and far more difficult to expose as it is entirely self contained, responsible for running a third tier NHS relied upon by the Nation's 40,000 most vulnerable people. But watch this space!

[@michaelel650]

I agree in general and it is down to two fundamental reasons. The reflexive and class conscious hierarchialism in the NHS, reinforced by management. This is exacerbated by a managerial culture, initiated by Thatcher but continued under Labour government, that is focused on budgets, targets and cost-cutting. The second fundamental reason is the ideological determination of the Tories to privatise as much of the NHS as they can get away with via a process of financially undermining and demoralising people in the NHS. In the early 2000's an attempt was made to democratise the system, resisted in the main by medical consultants and some managers who saw it as a challenge to their power and authority. This included patient/carer representatives at its best and was supposed to be supportive of whistle-blowers. However the overall governmental financial strategy undermined this and reinforced all the worst aspects of the NHS hierarchical structure. However all this tends to be worse in privatised systems, which also tend to be hypersensitive to any chance of litigation. The more privatised the system the worse it is. The 'root and branch' reinvention of the NHS needs to be along the lines described in parts of Grace Blakeley's book, 'Vulture Capitalism' with patients and the people most involved in direct patient care driving the system. Where this kind of system is used it drives innovation, efficiency and effectiveness in any industry. In health care, where the stress should be on quality of care, it can do the same. In the field of Mental Health, for example, the success of the Soteria Project (documented in the book 'Models of Madness') testifies to this. There are too many vested interests in the ill-health generated by the status quo, from the Food Industry to the Pharmaceutical Industry and the academics, regulatory bodies and politicians in their control, to the power and status conscious health care professionals who are increasingly being taught to put their careers before patients' needs. Nonetheless, having worked in the NHS, there are many within it who do really care and would rise to such changes if given half a chance. The current system, the status quo, makes this impossible. Personally I burnt out after years of regularly working up to twice my paid hours in any given week in an attempt to create a halfway decent service when we were totally under-resourced. I now do some voluntary work and, if anything, the last few years of evidence avoidance and corruption via Big Pharma (see the books 'Bad Pharma' and 'Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime' plus the 2004 - 2005 HOC Health Committee Report (ignored by the government) re: the under-regulation of the malpractices of the Pharmaceutical corporations and this years (2024) All Party Parliamentary Group report indicating that the main regulatory body, the MHRA, is unfit for purpose, mainly due to corporate capture. The system is rotten, but from the top. All the best to you.

[@fatimaO1944]

Very very respectable and truthful lady

[@suzanneharris8339]

"The new protest movement is driving empire managers out of their go**amn minds, which means it's working & must continue." Caitlin Johnston

[@Danster82]

Need more women like this running things.

[@foldingglint1514]

*more people like this, gender is irrelevant

[@b.2221]

So why did she wait until now to come out with this . Tories or Labour we are going down the pan.

[@user-ih5cr7vr9x]

Using food and water as weapon of war is wrong

[@donnavorce8856]

No medicine or medical service, no toilets, no showers, no rooms or even roofs. It's indefensible from any viewpoint.

[@inaamhussain424]

It’s not fair the rich and bankers aren’t taxed more unlike the poor and working class people and tighten up these wealthy people instead.

[@jubai12345]

These are only fooling themselves.

[@hareecionelson5875]

It wasn't a mistake, he was asked specifically about cutting of electricity and water, there's no spinning that. Not voting labour until Starmer is out. End of.

[@nicholawilson8555]

I will never vote red or blue or yellow... NEVER

[@ukhilali7418]

Comments being deleted by YT ..

[@seanfindlay1521]

First Saturday then sunday

[@susieb1211]

Can’t believe that Shami is justifying Starmers words. His words were then followed by Lammy etc. Starmer doesn’t buckle under pressure! He said precisely what he thought he could get away with. And saying that Starmer made a mistake contradicts what Thornberry said on tv just the other day. She said Israel did have the right to shut off water etc in immediate few days after 7/10?!

[@livethegoodlife1740]

The women yesterday was killed for her purse. Doesn't give her family the RIGHT TO KILL EVERYONE IN THAT MANS FAMILY DOES IT????!!!!

[@maninarucksack8983]

Depends if that mans family collude to hide or help him escape justice!

[@user-cp7gh8zj6b]

​@@maninarucksack8983 babies are colluding ?

[@ellisridley9588]

@@maninarucksack8983it absolutely does not depend on that, they still don’t have the right of collective punishment

[@southernrealist5789]

Disingenuous for defending starma. Good analogy for self defense. Still disingenuous. She would accept that you cant rely on a liar in court...

[@anthonyclegg1511]

You better have words with Thatchers son.

[@texasbluebonnet4303]

Yes, authoritarianism. and thus militarism is blooming here in the U S as the MAGA movement is off the rails.

[@paulcaikman]

Well perhaps the Democratic president should stop supporting what is going on before he throws the next election right into their hands

[@originalsource8952]

Who does Chakrabarti think she's fooling by saying Starmer was answering a previous question when asked about cutting off food & water. She's a hypocrite.

[@maninarucksack8983]

She may well be a hypocrite, as are most Palestinian supporters who fail to engage in critical thinking before expressing their simplistic views through chants and rants.

[@originalsource8952]

@@maninarucksack8983 To stand up for the freedom of an oppressed group of people, what's there to critically think about?

[@kerttuelli]

shami sold out to old jezza and we did not hear from her for a while,,

[@ThomasBoyd-gx9wr]

She super rich yes Thomas. She got a vote no she Baroness.

[@LimeyRedneck]

💜☯

[@kieranclarges2514]

Ummm...

[@Bob.55]

October 7th. Never forget and never again.

[@user-cp7gh8zj6b]

If one day makes you feel like that, what do you expect from 200+ days of worse than that.

[@Bob.55]

@@user-cp7gh8zj6b Yeah, 200 + days (times) that Hamas has fired rockets at the Israeli population. October 7th was the straw that broke the camel's back. Israel had no choice but to end it. Maybe it isn't a good idea to have terrorists as your government. Ya think?

[@fatherson5907]

@@user-cp7gh8zj6byou support religious extremists who throw lgbt individuals off of buildings. That is your value system.

[@donnavorce8856]

​@@user-cp7gh8zj6bOne could argue it's been 76 years of abuse.

[@donnavorce8856]

Never again for anyone, right Bob?

[@st33zyf0rilla2]

i was saying this months ago ...still got treated like a terrorist for it xD idc

[@richardhobbins9054]

These politicians and journalists need to be more truthful about what Israel is doing in Palestine or they could help Israel provoke something bigger like a world conflict

[@user-cp7gh8zj6b]

Greater Israel project. It was never about hamas.

[@rul4522]

All this talk about nothing!!!

[@elizabethlovell9997]

Is it a war crime to try to rescue your country from vicious oppression which started in 1948?

[@user-cx5li3rt8y]

THE WORLD IS WATCHING, WE CAN SEE THROUGH THE LIES

[@donnavorce8856]

Multiple jewish orgs and groups are absolutely standing for Palestine.

[@junehartley2770]

Izzy as an occupier has no self defence against the occupied as per the international law

[@maninarucksack8983]

Too many people shedding tears for so called Palestinians instead of studying history and engaging in critical thinking first.

[@dannywhelan6030]

How about stopping the aid to hamas.. Condeimg what they do to there own citiizens.. never mind what they'd do to jews.

[@beonfly1111]

🌟... "Let us never forget that just as one of the Works of the Light of the Sun is to put an end to the Darkness of the Night, the Work of Truth is to put an end to Lies, the Work of Eternal Justice is to put an end to Injustice, and that in the same way, the Work of Good is to free the World from Evil" ... ! ! ! ➕

[@ashnakamura2411]

Shami, I always thought you were a person of conscience. How can you defend Starmer? No he was not answering a previous q. Do you all take us for fools. Just listen to what he said. Even if he did make a mistake, why did Emily Thornberry double down on Starmers position the following day? Cos it was the fuking party line.

[@carahiggs7157]

Everyone knows about Israel's 75 year ethnic cleansing / genocide campaigne