RWBY Beyond (But mostly Yang and Ruby's bad relationship)

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RWBY Volume 9 Epilogue review: • RWBY Volume 9 Epilogue...
RWBY Beyond - featuring amazing episodes like :
The worst joke the writers keep insisting on using.
Jaune.
More of the Ever After, because for some reason they're obsessed with their weird wonderland rip off.
and
Gaslighting the fanbase about Yang being a terrible person to her own sister.

[@notallthatevil]

What gets me about the ruby and yang short is that Yang actually *Doesn’t* apologize for how she acted on the everafter. She says she “understands the part she played” and says it can’t happen again, but it’s the most “I did nothing wrong, but this is the part the social contract says someone should apologize”

[@Lboogie0711]

Yang also brought up the fact that tai wasn’t there, and while ruby gave her reasons for why he wasn’t in Vacuo, yang was still upset. I think that if we do get volume 10, Yang will have some disagreements with him and they will have some things to work through

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

She brought Ruby to drink (iced) tea, when drinking tea was the act Ruby did to try to "self-terminate". If Ruby tried to shoot herself, would Yang bring her to a gun range?

[@arnowisp6244]

​@@pickyphysicsstudent201 Hahaha...I would say yes but with a BB gun.

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

That's the thing, tho. Yang fans don't want her to be a character, but a mascot. Picture yourself holding a mic to somebody who adores Yang and it'll go like this: You: Do you honestly believe that Yang has been a character who is emotionally well-rounded in any way, shape or form? Yang stan: Fuck that! We just like her cuz she has huge badonkadonks and punches Grimm so hard they explode into a million pieces. You: Wait, doesn't that go against how good female characters are written? Yang stan: But Yang was inspired by Tifa, and she's amazing!

[@seabass5892]

@@pickyphysicsstudent201 I would have prefered that, because maybe then RT would remember Ruby's love for guns (y'know, an _actual_ character trait that has been previously established)

[@BanjoJill]

I absolutely hated the meta humor in the first episode. "No more new characters!" You're not funny, Kerry, you're being the worst.

[@doublereel-real]

It's like an alcoholic cracking jokes about being alcoholic after we've watched his life spiral due to his alcoholism. It's not funny at that point. It's just sad.

[@GoneRampant]

Meta "humor" has been a blight on society ever since the first wise-ass used it to compensate for story flaws.

[@nyhtfall1969]

No but they think it's funny so there for its good

[@probablyjinxed]

he followed the teachings of ugly sonic. “you can’t hurt my feelings if i’m in on the joke!”

[@nono9543]

@@doublereel-real Oh my god. You're talking about me TT__TT

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

Remember when the T-1000 fell into the molten lava and it changed shape & appearances to everything it had copied in a desperate plee to find an escape from its inevitible death? That's what RWBY Beyond strikes me as.

[@astereotypicalgamer1708]

Very apt.

[@IamEscBoy]

holy shit you're right

[@saltystick_99]

*Damn.* *You're right.*

[@MellyRedF7TheRealOne]

I was thinking that as well as Bill Cipher before Stan Punches him.

[@falconeshield]

All that polymetal and it never thought to turn into a ladybug.

[@probablyjinxed]

ruby and yang REEK of “2 middle aged dudes desperately trying to write teenage/young adult sisters”. best way i can describe it. because that’s what it is LOL.

[@VinceMouse]

I find it a little more believable than I usually would, if only because they both signed up for a life of fighting monsters at a young age, so I can believe them being tomboys overall.

[@DocMicrowave]

@@VinceMouse I don't think that is what he was trying to say.

[@Imperialstorm03]

​@@VinceMousewhat

[@PhevieWonder]

I love how Ruby tried to kill herself with Tea in the Ever After, and then Yang decided to take her for boba, a type of tea, to try to bond with her. Really cool stuff.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Ruby: "It's exposure therapy. I am slowly working towards regular tea. "

[@kidprime6863]

Ironically, it was Ruby's favorite place

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

​@kidprime6863 Remember when Ruby Rose was a weapons geek?

[@kidprime6863]

@@exaltedfalcheon1793 Yes, but the writers don't.

[@pisscvre69]

the worst part to me is its in public, classic “dont make a scene” shit, ruby deserves to unload on yang and be like what the fuck was that? but shes gonna feel pressure not to in public, its a classic abuser tactic to silence the victim out of shame and embarrassment.

[@kaiserz0154]

What better way for Yang to surprise Ruby after a couple days since that traumatic experience in watching her end her life by drinking tea is bringing her sister to a TEA SHOP OF ALL PLACES?!

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

Quote me on this: "Does coffee exist in this universe?"

[@sunjour]

Yang, basically : "Okay get in. 🙂⚰️"

[@kidprime6863]

Boba Tea is basically a like a milkshake but made with tea instead of ice cream

[@Yukikaueue]

@@h34dhunt3rstudios8literally in volume 1 Weiss asks how Ruby takes her coffee

[@DocMicrowave]

@@Yukikaueue She offered some to Blake as well after they were kicked out of the tournament.

[@deadlyflood]

Oh I love how rooster teeth went out doing what they were best at, using a lazy art style to cut costs while telling a poorly written story

[@DinoDave150]

It ends as it began.

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

And giving zero fucks while doing it.

[@falconeshield]

Here lies RWBY: since 2015

[@mnmnotaskittleindisguise1939]

Ig that makes the "Beyond" part of the title really ironic lol

[@ProperNeko]

It looks better than episode 12 animatric. Then I’m like why use not that storyboard style for Beyond? Idk

[@dantethefan9654]

18:30 I like kinda understand the idea of Yang being like "I saved you and sacrificed myself in hopes that you wouldn't have to suffer the fate of being trapped here, I'm upset that you also ended up falling down here" But then immediately heel turning when Blake jumped in was yucky

[@ad_astra5]

RWBY: The fall of Atlas is incredibly important, ignore the bad writing Also RWBY: oh btw Vale fell offscreen.

[@ad_astra5]

Thinking of bac RT writing. Gen:Lock season 2 was such a disappointment 😅

[@catfan7220]

​@@ad_astra5I agree about the writing but to give RT what little credit they deserve, Gen Lock S2 was given to another studio. RT was uninvolved in that particular monstrosity

[@ad_astra5]

@@catfan7220 ok yeah that’s a great point. I completely forgot it was a different team entirely, not solely HBO pressure and a few new writers.

[@icravedeath.1200]

​@catfan7220why, wasn't gen lock their series

[@skysiren4113]

As someone who's struggled with their mental health to the point where they had suicidal thoughts, episode 4 pisses me off so much to the point it makes my blood boil. The fact that not only does Yang NEVER apologise for how she treated Ruby in the Ever After (in fact none of the other characters ever apologised to Ruby at all) but it confirms to me that the writers GENUINELY think how they wrote Ruby's mental health struggles was good, ignoring the fact that not only did they unintentionally end up glorifying suicide and self harm, but many people (including hardcore fans) have called them out on how terribly they wrote it. It comes across as incredibly arrogant and immature Edit: I know people pointed this out but the fact that they have Yang bring Ruby to a boba tea shop to bond with her, after Ruby tried to take her own life by drinking tea is so tone deaf that its almost funny. It be like having someone nearly die from alcohol poisoning, then after bringing them to a pub

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

They reduced it to a meme representing how Call Of Duty players who use Final Stand choose their loadout before jumping into the match.

[@skysiren4113]

@@h34dhunt3rstudios8 it's more like that spongebob meme where he's saying "we did it Patrick! We saved the city!" All the while the city is burning in the background. Just swap Spongebob and Patrick out with the writers and change "we saved the city" to "we wrote a good story about mental health"

[@ProperNeko]

I went into the situation with the fandom before where they had to defend Ruby’s mental health plot, dismissing Ruby drinking tea as ‘not suicide’. It’s those things like that is what deeply concerns me on how the writers getting away with presentation on volume 9, causing the whole fans lecturing how people should view the show thing to reach it’s horrifying peak. Those things expressed in Volume 9 have resonated to me as a suicidal person, right down to the quotes said that mirrored the things said in my suicidal thoughts. Then to be told that we were just shocked by episode 8 as if we’re stupid to think that far is pretty disturbing to be honest

[@skysiren4113]

@@ProperNeko I'm really sorry to hear that, I hope your doing better and hope your getting the love and help you need What gets me the most about it all is that instead of admitting that they unintentionally glorified suicide and self harm and apologising, they instead blame people for reading it as an allegory for suicide and actively defend their poor writing and execution. Not only is it incredibly narcissistic but it's clear that they don't realise or worse don't care that they wrote a potentially dangerous massage to people who may be struggling with their mental health It's so gross and made me loose a lot of respect towards them

[@komos3719]

Sorry to be that guy, but did you mean "genuinely"?

[@tevineleven11]

2:50 The gut wrenching Nora cry followed by Junior detectives is so great

[@astereotypicalgamer1708]

The writers occasionally acknowledge the characters are flawed and make mistakes. The problem is they only ever seem to do it in hindsight. And now, it seems, they'll never get to learn from it.

[@kidprime6863]

They can't because the plot didn't demand it. They focus too much time moving the plot to care about the characters. If the relationship isn't relevant to the plot, it can't be done.

[@MeemahSN]

@@kidprime6863 This is why stories involving characters need to actually prioritise the characters.

[@the_last_ballad]

​@kidprime6863 the fact that they invented flaws for the characters to overcome and erase, rather than having them deal with the flaws that naturally came about didn't help...

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

This reminds me of Menagerie. "Oh! We're so overcrowded and poor! :(" "...Overcrowded where?" "...Anyway, lets take you to my palace! :D"

[@SpringDragonfly15]

I remember thinking that Ruby reacted more to losing her weapon than Yang's presumed death. Girl, I don't think you can build a new sister. One thing that ticked me off about how Bumblebee is a blackhole for everything Blake and Yang do, is that the storm scene implies that Blake and Yang sorting out their relationship is more important than helping their friends figure out how all of them will get home. It's one of the most flagrant cases of prioritizing romantic relationships over everything else in a piece of media I've ever seen.

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

And the Power Of Friendship?

[@tonywalker3541]

​@@h34dhunt3rstudios8 frankly, I'm hard pressed to call any of the main characters "friends" at this point. It's more like a collection of toxic codependent relationships.

[@lynxfresh5214]

Having a team where two of the members are in a romantic relationship and two of the members are siblings is nearly always a recipe for disaster. It either causes very awkward love triangles/Vs or the team ends up often getting split in half (emotionally, physically or both). Weiss has a much healthy sisterhood with Winter by default tbh.

[@romarudarkeyes]

Weirdly, I didn't get that vibe when I first watched it. Yang goes tumbling off, and Ruby's first reaction almost seemed like numb shock. Like she doesn't connect what happened properly and it doesn't help that Neo is trying to kill her so her mind is trying to process her own life/death situation first. Compare it, if I may, to something like the death of Dumbledore in Harry Potter, or the death of Sirius. Harry's first reaction is denial of what just happened, then a grasping of hope that he can somehow fix it if he can solve the puzzle and he can bring them back. After she takes the fall, Ruby (to me at least) seemed notably slower in her fight with Neo - like she's only managing to keep her at bay and not able to make any headway in the battle. All her brain power is being used to simply counter blows, and the rest of it is trying to work out how to fix it and bring Yang back. Blake by comparison sees the whole thing, and has the opposite reaction - i.e. she isn't engaged in a battle, she has a moment of shock, which then quickly turns into that righteous fury and anger. She's likely seen death before in her time in the White Fang, and probably has to deal with it more than Ruby, so her denial reaction is skipped, and she goes straight to "You bitch - I am going to make you pay for that..." I think that's why the eventual blowback for Ruby is so much harder when they find Yang in the everafter - because "Yang is okay! She's not dead! We're going to be okay!" and then hearing about the fate of Penny... I honestly could have read a lot more into it then was ever inferred by the actual writing team. The punderstorm remains to this day one of the most egregious examples of the "NOW KISS" meme and was a complete trainwreck on how to resolve that issue. I did a rewrite once on a reddit thread where Ruby sacrifices herself early on in chapter 9. No fucking suicide tea - holding up multiple enemies and trying to save the rest of the team because she feels responsible for all the death that's she's caused and she thinks that this is a way for her to repent for that. She's drawn into the tree and goes on her own journey that takes place over the entire season, where she has to review all her actions and see them in both bad and good lights. Meanwhile Weiss has to take over the team - something that she wanted to do since the earliest point we knew her and believed that she was the correct choice. And now she no longer wants it because to take this position has cost her a dear friend... But she's got to keep them on track and she's the one that naturally steps into that role. Yang is absolutely beside herself and we start to see her regress once more into that depression similar to when she lost her arm, but this time it's starting to vear into potential self destructive tendencies. And Blake has to reconcile that she wasn't there to help her through it last time, and she struggles to work out what to do. And eventually her real feelings come out to stop Yang doing something stupid and possibly following in Ruby's example. And even with feelings out on the table between the two, they still don't know how to move forward with it. Because while the two girls clearly have deep romantic feelings for one another, this whole situation has made both of them realise that one or both of them might die during this conflict. Blake already 'lost' Yang once when she fell down here first, thinking that she was dead... And then leave it open till the end of the season, which can play out somewhat(lol) the same as it did in the show. But then have Blake and Yang finally share a kiss as they see Vacuo off in the distance. Don't on camera it straight away - have something like Ruby speaking to Yang, not answer and then have her turn to see the pair sharing an earned first kiss. And then play the comedy card, and have the two break apart - declare their love for one another - and then have the other three in the background just looking on in loving admiration - with perhaps a "Took you long enough" from Weiss to close out on. Phew... Sorry... That took a while 😅

[@SpringDragonfly15]

@@romarudarkeyes On the one hand, Ruby being in shock is a valid analysis, but given that de-emphasizing Yang's relationship with Ruby and how characters' combat abilities are thoroughly defined by what the plot needs, the evidence was probably an accident, so I think the criticism is still valid. You're rewrite is very compelling--the references to past conflicts in the character's arcs makes it feel like a much more natural progression and it sounds far more interesting than Ruby has a breakdown while Blake and Yang make out, and Weiss ogles middle aged Jaune.

[@matteomiriello1661]

Yang is similar to her biological mother, Raven Branwen, Like mother, Like daughter.

[@saltystick_99]

The seed didn't fall far from the bird feeder.

[@matteomiriello1661]

@@saltystick_99what do you mean?

[@larryapple2004]

​@@matteomiriello1661 you know, Raven, the bird

[@philippschwarz4539]

@@saltystick_99 The egg didn't fall far from the bird.

[@saltystick_99]

@@philippschwarz4539 More accurate because Raven basically told Yang "hatch or die nerd"

[@ProperNeko]

Volume 9: Ruby drinks tea to commit metaphorical suicide. Beyond: Yang takes Ruby to a Tea shop.

[@ProperNeko]

Also in volume 8 that Ruby’s team drank tea and wait for this to blow over. Wonder what will happen if they have stuck to coffee instead?

[@borisaustria4301]

Sister of the year.

[@superstarultra28]

What the actual fuck?!

[@kidprime6863]

To be fair, Boba is technically a tea flavored milkshake. As for why Ruby would drink that after everything she's been through... because she got through with it.

[@blabbermouth1843]

It's sad that YangXBlake moments make me angry now because they just remind me that they turned Yang into a jackass to everyone except cat for the sake of making money off a popular ship. It's almost fascinating how badly RT butchered her character...

[@Archive_7802]

If it was done with taste, I might’ve actually enjoyed it. Instead, we got character regression.

[@est4321]

Ruby: *having doubts and on the verge of a mental breakdown* Yang afterwards: ok, but how does this affect my cat gf and me?

[@curepanda2646]

Bruh…Yang…wtf honey??? =A=## That’s both insensitive AND horrible. Not only you didn’t apologize to lashing out at your own sister throughout your “sulking days” but ALSO left her behind countless times in favor of your “lover” (no wonder Ruby lashing out became the face of Volume 9…along with THAT). Even worse? u treat her with that SAME THING THAT SHE OFFED HERSELF WITH…AND THATS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO LOVES BOBA. You’re just like your damn mother!!! DX

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

If Ruby gets triggered by drinking something bright, sweet, and in a bottle _just_ because it’s technically a form of tea, then she’s got more serious issues. Boba has such a tenuous and arbitrary relation to the tea she drank that having a glass of water should be _equally_ traumatic for Ruby. Now, I’m not saying that something like that is _impossible,_ but what you’re suggesting sounds more like you trying to find something to complain about. A more reasonable reaction would be if Ruby was hesitant to drink something from a mug, or a drink that actually resembles the tea from the Ever After.

[@coffeewolfproductions9113]

​@@Jackson-ub1uv You do realize that potential traumatic triggers dont have to be logical or rational right? They can just be connected to the thing that hurt you. And even if milk tea only has a tenuis connection to actual tea, I still think Yang should have stopped and thought for one second "wait, maybe she wouldn't like something that is similar to the thing that nearly killed her"

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

​@@coffeewolfproductions9113 I _do_ get that, but do you expect _Yang_ to? They are all trapped in a desert with limited resources, so the fact that one of Ruby's favourite drinks is available would be exciting enough to make Yang focus on using it as a way to cheer Ruby up. Again though, if you expect a bottle of sweetened milk to traumatise Ruby _simply_ because it's called "tea", then that kind of implies that she shouldn't be able to drink _anything,_ because she had to _drink_ that tea. I'm pretty sure that triggers are most effective when it's about the physical or emotional experience. For Ruby, this happened when given her weapon and told to fight; she was put back into a stressful situation where what was happening in reality was practically a re-enactment of her trauma. Post-Volume 9, the most one could expect is for Ruby to avoid drinking anything bitter, leaf-based, or in a mug, as all of those are direct physical reminders of her attempted suicide. It'd also make sense if she had a reaction to someone _saying_ the word "tea", but no one in the episode _did._ As far as I remember it, the drink was only referred to as "boba", and that, along with the happy memories Ruby already _has_ of the drink, likely adds to the dissonance between the two "teas".

[@locusm4169]

@@coffeewolfproductions9113what do you mean by “nearly”, as far as I can tell she did die

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

Raven or Summer? Because I can't tell anymore

[@ToastyGhostie-np9bd]

The "would you guys be there for me if I was going through something? No. Absolutely not. Please reach out to me - so I can ignore you." Bit is not only SO FUNNY but HONESTLY suits tRWBY (and Jaune) in volume 9 SO WELL. An animatic might be in order

[@TheAngryXenite]

"I can't wait to go to your funeral knowing I could have changed that outcome."

[@vashythewabbit8288]

5:04 Fun Fact, the only reason why Sun and Neptune didn't fight or do anything useful is because at the time Monty did not have a fighting animation rig for Neptune made in time for Volume 2 and he had trouble with Sun's gunchucks. This also explains why Sun and Neptune was thrown away in that Roman mech fight. So instead, we get the stupid junior detective joke that wasn't even funny that somehow became ingrained into Sun and Neptune's characters.

[@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337]

I didn't know that at all but man it really kind of makes sense cause above all Monty was the glue holding the whole thing together, without him the show was like a ship without a captain

[@makotoplush9776]

I will continue to say this but I really don't want this universe of RWBY to continue. Really nothing is working and the doubling down is just making it worse. I really don't think anyone would mind just rebooting the series and starting from scratch. I know it sounds scary to start over but think of things like Final Fantasy XIV where they realised they screwed up on the first try and Naoki Yoshida literally blew up the old world and ended up creating the most beloved MMO of all time. So to whoever will be taking over RWBY in the future, please start over because it's already a sinking ship on fire

[@Jeddy027]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Even if someone comes along & make their own story in the RWBY universe, they're still stuck with the cracks of RWBY's foundation. The worldbuilding of RWBY & Remnant's lore is just not great. It's like asking professionals to add a 2nd floor to a house built by amateurs who never built a house before.

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

I think the best option would be to purely focus on the threat that Salem poses. Instead of more unnecessary world-building, the writers need to figure out what the _current_ state of Remnant is, such as who's alive and where they are, bring together all of the characters they already _have,_ and centre the remaining story on how to resolve Salem's plot point. We now know who Salem is, what she wants, and why she wants it; now that the rest of Remnant knows about Salem too, and all of the other important plot points have since been resolved, all that's left is for Remnant to fight back against Salem. The way things are, there's only a Volume's worth of content left to explore, and trying to draw it out or add anything to that is worthless. Everything's in place for the main conflict to end; the entire cast knows what's at stake, Salem has at least two of the four Relics and is on her way for the third (assuming she also hasn't found the one at Beacon), and humanity is now located solely in Vacuo and _maybe_ Mistral. The most the writers could feasibly draw things out is by having Salem recover Vacuo's Relic and, if she hadn't already, return to Beacon for the last one; if RWBY _does_ get continued, I _sincerely_ hope that they take this route, as it'd be narratively and emotionally satisfying to have RWBY's final battle be at the place it began. They could even have Salem whisk Vacuo's Relic off and leave her forces to distract everyone whilst she searches Beacon; doing so means that every character has a purpose: defending the last of humanity or finally ending Salem. I can very easily imagine teams RWBY and JNR having to leave their families in Vacuo so they can pursue Salem, with Ozcar guiding them to the final Relic in Beacon; from there, I think the only reasonable outcome would be for the teams to fight a battle of attrition, with Salem _still_ managing to get the last Relic and summon the Brothers. Obviously, humanity would be fighting _together,_ redeeming them in the eyes of the Brothers and allowing magic back into the world. It's then that the Brothers would likely do something with Salem, seeing as she hasn't learned her lesson, such as taking her to an uninhabited world to live out the rest of eternity. I do believe that the Brothers, as inept as they are, would still be smart enough to not kill Salem, as that'd be rewarding her for being an immature bitch. tl;dr RWBY can and _should_ continue the current plot, but only if resolving the current plot becomes the main focus of the show; no more lore dumps, no more delaying, and no more sidetracking.

[@philippschwarz4539]

Final Fantasy: Remnant

[@TitanXecutor]

They might as well. That Greenlit Volume 10 hashtag never meant anything and especially not now. I have some ideas on how to fix their world

[@2097Pyros]

@@TitanXecutor Unfortunately, it looks like we got the worst end: The writers found a gullible taker, AND they're allegedly remaining intact. This crap's continuing. Figures.

[@calicomarker]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention how Yang is actually in agony for only a few moments before frolicking in the paper fields and giving Jaune a big HAPPY hug IMMEDIATELY AFTER WATCHING RUBY KILL HERSELF. It is absolutely baffling to me that they wrote that scene, Yang should be completely devastated after watching her Sister commit Suicide, but she instead heavily flip flops between agony, Joy, and HOPE, still within the same damn episode. Losing a Friend is Devastating, losing a Family member is even worse, Yang was just told a distance relative she never met died, not her sister based on her reaction.

[@nyhtfall1969]

considering how qrow possibly losing his nieces made him feel really happy and good i'm convinced its just in the family they all sociopaths

[@thomasraines1396]

It was so insane.

[@DocMicrowave]

Lol, you would be right. But Yang's actions are just balancing off Ruby's. Ruby (and Weiss) stood around and watched as her sister/teammate tumbled off a ledge to her perceived death. When either one could have absolutely and easily saved her using their semblances. All attempts to save Yang and the reactions thereafter were put on the Cat girl to display. And then when Ruby sees Yang alive for the first time in V9, her reaction is lackluster to say the least. While any intence emotions were again, left for the Cat girl to display, and display alone. Bottom line, emotions and reactions became nothing but plot tools for CRWBY. Turned off and on for certain characters at certain moments to drive a narrative or to pander. Usually both.

[@spirittail4958]

If I had to guess given how nobody knows how the ever afters reincarnation gimmick works probably not even the writers knew despite the fact that you are correct that her drinking that was essentially suicide the characters don't exactly know that for sure which is most likely why they have these flip flop emotions and reactions they don't know what exactly that tea did and they knew everafterians come back after stuff like that so that's the only thing I can think of that can somewhat explain away the random emotions but I'm not defending this either they definitely should have acted like this was a suicide instead of just watching it happen even if they didn't know what was going on someone should've done something but hey they did the exact same thing with the Grimm hound back in atlas when Oscar was being kidnapped so I'm not the least bit surprised they just did F all and let the event play out

[@atlas3556]

@@nyhtfall1969 Poor Qrow

[@rukiakuchki4716]

Raven being attached to the hero squad again is wild but she can't be attached to her child

[@pisscvre69]

shes my problematic wife, i want her to be better i can fix her but just randomly being better? no, she needs and arc

[@ladynoire8339]

And what about her men of bandits? Did they turn over a new leaf or did she abandon them like how she did with Yang?

[@DocMicrowave]

@@ladynoire8339 Likely, even if there as a V10, CRWBY wouldn't bother with "minor details" like what happened to thebl tribe after Raven left. Detail has been a minor concern for many volumes now.

[@VenathTehN3RD]

@@ladynoire8339 I doubt CRWBY even remembers that she was part of a bandit clan at this point. In recent volumes they've seemed to have trouble remembering what happened just a few episodes before what they're currently writing, nevermind a few seasons back. The fact that devotion to the clan was one of Raven's defining characteristics and a major factor in her abandonment of Yang and Qrow probably went the way of so many other things in the series and immediately vanished from the writers' minds once it was no longer directly relevant to what was immediately happening in the story.

[@spysoldierscout4562]

Wait, I just realized this through the mention of Raven and her clan: _They're murderors!_ At least Qrow and the RNGR people know this, but probably everyone else important as well. Raven led a tribe of bandits that murdered and ransacked entire towns across at least Anima just to survive, because they didn't like living in a bigger kindom and under the law. Now Raven is back _with the Maidens and Headmasters,_ arguably the most important people in the world, just chilling. And in the process, she either left her tribe like her Daughter and whole family - _twice!_ -, or she brought them with her, an entire tribe of confirmed murderors.

[@GreenDinoRanger]

I love that Arryn, one of the animators, thinks that Yang (insensitively) taking Ruby out for tea is an unquestionable show of being a good sister.

[@saramations]

Arryn never left a good impression on me. Kind of comes off like a brain washed and argumentative… uh- person whenever i read their tweets.

[@DocMicrowave]

She is just echoing how many hard-core BB shippers think. That Yang was a more than adequate sister. And the Yang "needs to live her own life now". Basically their understanding is, to be in a ship, you severe, or severely limit connections to family and friends.

[@GenZealous]

@@saramationsher* tweets

[@AdmiralRamirez7]

​@saramations she very questionable especially after the icequeendom stuff

[@notroxa]

to be entirely fair, it would only be insensitive if *ruby* was upset with it, which she wasnt. the tea wasnt a trigger for her, the unrelenting traumatic experiences are idk why people keep saying yang was a dick for bringing ruby to a boba place, for one the two types of tea are entirely different and for another we? dont get to decide what are and arent triggers for rubys trauma?? just because it would be traumatic for you dosent mean it would be for everyone. and the connection between a cup of very traditional tea party tea and boba is loose no matter how you look at it (they are different visually, flavor wise, texture wise, and temperature wise. the only similarly is they both have leaf liquid in them. its like comparing a pancake to a calzone cus they both have flour and at some point are disk shaped)

[@saltystick_99]

A problem I personally noticed with RWBY (I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't the first person who brought this up) is that the writers really want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make it clear that Remnant is a crappy place- even disregarding Faunus segregation, but they also want their characters to be worshiped and cheered on by millions of people like they're gods. They want them to go through the hardships and stress, yet want to skip right to the part where things are happy and appraisal galore because it'd be too sad for the precious girls to go through. It's like the equivalent of watching a horror movie but you begin fast forwarding once the Slasher is established just so that you can get to the part where the Slasher dies from the Final Girl outwitting them and skipping past the point where the Slasher kills everyone because you don't want to watch a horror movie where characters die. Bad metaphor, but that's the best I got to describe how I feel RWBY handles its serious moments. They're trying to make a "golden route" ending, yet also basically want to have the apocalypse happen and go off without a hitch.

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

Basically the "We did it, Patrick! We saved the city!" meme.

[@saltystick_99]

@@h34dhunt3rstudios8 Basically, except the episode ends there instead of Sandy putting the Butterfly in the jar and we're supposed to believe that Spongebob and Patrick really did resolve the issue. That's what RWBY is like. We're _supposed_ to believe that Spongebob and Patrick are the heroes even though everyone is worse off, because they don't want to write the scene of Sandy saving the day. If anything, they would pin it on Sandy because she allowed Wormy to become a Butterfly and terrorize.

[@lynxfresh5214]

That's a classic symptom of the world revolving around the protagonists rather than the protagonists adapting to world around them.

[@qwefg3]

It really got bad as the series continued as reality had literally warped around them to ensure they never hold responsibility for anything and everything happens because the plot now demands it.

[@DocMicrowave]

It's a fair metaphor.

[@Ventiwings]

BRO THE VOICE OVER CLIP OF RUBY ASKING THE QUESTION IF THEY'D BE THERE FOR HER WAS TOO REAL LMAOOO

[@Jwoosle]

My biggest problem with beyond episode 4 is that it feels like addressing the elephant in the room without acknowledging it’s a whole fucking elephant. Yang “understands her part” in Ruby’s issues but doesn’t really apologize, they mention “what happened” in the ever after but still don’t really call it or treat it as basically suicide, Yang says how team rwby is going to be there for her but half of team rwby is no where to be found, they talk about Ruby being able to reach out to them but she still has yet to actually talk about what she felt (grief with Penny, her feelings about her mom, guilt over atlas, what happened with neo, etc) so she doesn’t actually talk about her feelings but instead talks about being *able* to talk about them, hell she begins to actually talk in the episode and Yang cuts her off. And that really rubs me the wrong way because not only should this not be a conversation for supplemental material but this shouldn’t even be volume 10 material, this (or at least the part about trying to talk to Ruby about what happened and being there for her) should’ve happened in volume 9. So I do think it’s mostly a nice scene for what it is but it’s the epitome of “too little, too late”. I think it’s good they’re giving them a sisterly moment but I’m never gonna be able to look past how Yang acted in v9 regardless of what comes after

[@DocMicrowave]

Of course Yang wouldn't apologize. To do so, to acknowledge any wrong she did between them, would cast shade on the BB ship. Of course we can't have that. That ship is the best thing eva!

[@Jwoosle]

@@DocMicrowave it’s upsetting cause I don’t even dislike bumbleby on its own, I actually really liked v9e7. But wow the stuff that came after made me not like Yang and Blake both individually and as a pair (Weiss also isn’t excluded from this)

[@PlahaKumar]

Yang is the Carol Danvers of RWBY.

[@mauriceisaac3646]

I really hate how some fans/staff are saying the Ruby and Yang short supposedly beats the “Yang is a bad sister” allegations, even though it was clearly made in response to them, thus validating them. If she wasn’t a bad sister, Yang wouldn’t have had anything she felt she had to apologize and make up for. Plus, her doing a nice thing for Ruby now certainly doesn’t erase her awful behavior towards her beforehand, though that seems to be what CRWBY thinks, based on how they treat most of their female antagonists.

[@DocMicrowave]

Die hard BB shippers are in denial. They know that any acknowledgements or depictions of Yang being a bad sister, or is not sister enough, puts shade on the BB ship. Certainly can't have that! So, in their head canons Yang is the perfect sister. Always has been. Ever been in a debate with hard-core BB shippers where on of the points they like to push is 'Yang should not need to look after or care so much about Ruby. She needs to live her own life. Should not be burdened with things like family ties." In there minds, a good ship means cutting close associations with family, and even other friends.

[@loveydoveybear2232]

So your definition of a “good sister” is one who does absolutely no wrong, and never has to apologize for anything because they never do anything wrong to their sibling to begin with? That’s not a very realistic sibling dynamic. I think you critics are so hung up on finding the flaws in ruby and yangs relationship, that you’re not realizing that your expectations are becoming unrealistic. She took accountability and promised to show up for her sister more in the future. That’s all it takes for sibling sometimes. I think y’all are mistaking the bad writing for a bad overall relationship. They don’t always go hand in hand.

[@DocMicrowave]

loveydoveybear2232. Bad writing? Absolutely! Trying to play it off as a realistic depiction of how (healthy) sibling or family interactions occur after the introduction of a ship, not so much. Doesn't work. The ship probably would have been better accepted if there wasn't such a sudden and radical change in the personalities of both Yang and Blake. It actually subtracted from their characters. Sure, you could say nothing changed between Yang and Ruby with the sailing of BB. That their sisterly interactions (any interactions really) were moved off screen. But there in lies the problem. Just like the hardcore BB fans needed to see positive confirmation (constantly) of their favorite ship on screen, so did the regular fans want to see positive confirmation that Yang still treats Ruby like a sister. And can have normal interactions with others. Instead CRWBY chose to go all in on feeding the BB fans, to the exclusion of all else. Including writing a good story. Thinking that is where the core fandom was. Keep them happy and the show will thrive. Except that didn't happen. They didn't take into account the intelligence of the general fandom. Heavy emphasis in showcasing BB led to some of the cringiest, most illogical scenes in the show. Thus causing the decline in the quality and ultimately profitability of the show.

[@mauriceisaac3646]

@@loveydoveybear2232 Way to miss my point. I'm not saying she should be perfect, but she used to be better. As of late, she's been especially cruel towards Ruby, and for no good reason, from blaming her for the fallout in Atlas at the beginning of Volume 8, while ignoring the part she played in that, then caring more about what Blake thought of her leaving then Ruby, and then basically abandoning Ruby emotionally in the Ever After to pay more attention to Blake. It made narrative sense when she was distant towards Ruby at the end of Volume 3 after everything that happened to her during the Fall of Beacon, but her being this ignorant towards her sister at this point made much less sense and was just regression in her character for the sake of the plot/Bumbleby fanservice. Yang shouldn't have had to learn to be there for her sister more when this is the same girl who practically raised Ruby after Summer left and forgoed spending time with her absentee mother she spent years trying to find just so she can be there for her in Mistral.

[@trolledfordrip]

I think they mean that yang would punch anyone who called her out on it when they say beat the allegations they mean she beat up the people saying said allegations

[@mauriceisaac3646]

19:15 It’s quite baffling how Yang jumped at Blake’s defense from Ruby’s outburst, yet did nothing when Jaune proceeded to yell back at Ruby and make her cry. I really don’t know how people can say she’s a good sister after that.

[@vtalvarez2000]

If you want to see a good big and little sister dynamic, there's Nani and Lilo. Is faar more compeling, emotional and realistic than the excuse of sister that is Yang. Ruby deserves better :(

[@thomasraines1396]

Even Vi and Powder from “Arcane” is better than them.

[@archoolio76]

I think the best way to describe RWBY's state is: A corpse that's on fire, and CRWBY are using a droplet of water to put it out.

[@loudradialem5233]

What's disconcerting to me is that they don't seem to understand that their series is in danger of being canceled without an ending. Their concept for next season doesn't seem like the beginning to wrap things up.

[@francisharkins]

The Boba bit feels not just in bad taste because of what occurs in Volume 9 woth Ruby's attempt at her own life, but it also feels a bit on the nose for targeting audiences. "Oh everyone likes Boba, Boba's cool and in trend, lets use that!"

[@Midnight-Starfish]

I have to agree with you. The whole boba thing had a very, "Hello there, fellow youths. I too enjoy the tapioca boba tea." feel to it. I feel like if they went to a bakery instead and Ruby got excited over a plate of cookies, it would feel more in character. It just feels weird and out of place that Ruby gets excited about something she's never shown an interest in or mentioned; not even in an episode of RWBY Chibi.

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

....How the heck does a resource-scarce desert town have a boba shop? Complete with plastic covers?

[@thomasraines1396]

Plot.

[@francisharkins]

Especially during a crisis where the primarily industrialized and most resource important kingdom was completely destroyed? Like no offense but CRWBY, or in this case Miles and Kerry don't know how to lead a team or write. They haven't since volume 4.

[@johnlynch1353]

Obviously, since plastics can be made from oil and there in the middle of a desert, that desert must be filthy rich with the oil that’s the only logical conclusion how they can have a surplus of plastic. Clearly that’s how they’re going to fix the problem of resources in the town by selling off the oil they have access to to bring in food and money. This is actually Galaxy brain foreshadowing.😂

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@francisharkins Also as I recall Vacuo is supposed to be the poorest of the Four Kingdoms as a result of the previous war. Thus do they really see a Boba shop as necessary?

[@thomasraines1396]

@@thefanwithoutaface8105they wouldn’t no. They would convert into something useful.

[@emeraldparmesan6431]

I’m gonna be honest, I’m starting to think that if RWBY does get picked up by some company, they should bring in actual writers to assist CRWBY. The past few volumes and now these new shorts have made me seriously doubt the abilities of these writers to make ANYthing functional. Like glorifying suicide is one (VERY bad) thing, but having Yang and Ruby go to a shop to buy THE THING THAT RUBY USED TO KILL HERSELF is a whole new level of brain dead and insensitive.

[@GeneralBolas]

If someone buys RWBY, I don't think CRWBY is coming along with them. They certainly don't have to, and if I were interesting in buying RWBY, the RWBY Beyond shorts would basically be exhibit #1 as to why CRWBY isn't getting hired.

[@VenathTehN3RD]

I wouldn't even give them that much. If someone buys RWBY, we need a full on reboot from people wholly unaffiliated with CRWBY. Keep CRWBY on to write the occasional RWBY Chibi skit if it's absolutely necessary to keep them around, but keep them far, far away from anything resembling an episodic story with an overarching narrative that's likely to suffer when the authors barely plan ahead and barely remember what they've already written.

[@nobody2996]

The funniest part about the suicide plot point is that this isn't even the first time Rooster Teeth made this exact same mistake. And it was referred to as 'Ascension' the first time as well!

[@diegorojas8959]

The problem with RWBY BEYOND is the same that RWBY proper, its aimless. Writers may have an idea or an arc for the season for that only exist just in that moment. Yang can only thing of Blake, Weiss is the comic relief so she cant grieve this is Ruby's turn. Add that to the heavily reactionary writing you have the mess that is RWBY writing. There is no core to the story just ideas that are touch ones and nevermore. What means to defeat Salem, joining all the nations under the banner of Ruby our savior (God emperor of Remnant its going to be wild), its Ruby youthful idealisim vs Ironwood pragmatism the key to find an answers or are we seeing an inmortal out of ideas find hope in naevity of the youth. RWBY and its characters just do things without a thread that conects them together. There is no real story to tell. Just character doing "things" for one season until they do other "things" next season

[@kidprime6863]

To be fair, RWBY Beyond was created at the wrong place at the wrong time. RoosterTeeth was on the verge of shutting down, thus, they were running out of time and budget. They most had to do rewrites. That's why Beyond feels rushed and short.

[@DocMicrowave]

Indeed. Tone deaf as well.

[@DocMicrowave]

​ I also feel Beyond was done out of desperation. They needed to keep fandom interest in the vacuum of any other official RWBY productions. Also, CRWBY is trying to get RWBY sold. Potential investors will want to see that there is still interest in RWBY. Lack of views, and interest would likely make RWBY look a less attractive investment.

[@0wl_777]

This being the potentially end of RWBY as whole feels right in the sad way RWBY goes out with sigh from fans

[@falconeshield]

It's better than the sunset in METROPOLIS

[@MajorHickE]

I didn't even know it was a thing until this video, so a sigh may be overstating things

[@DocMicrowave]

Inbeed.

[@chowdergum3d]

I've always wondered why Ruby had to apologize to Yang for leaving her alone back at the end of Volume 3, but Yang never once tried to apologize properly to Ruby for her incompetence and blatant neglect. I'm flabbergasted by this. Who in right mind would excuse this shitty behavior- oh wait. Right..

[@capt.artemislivius7601]

When you prioritize scissor sisters over actual sisters...☠️

[@saramations]

I know rwby is bad, but ruby apologized to yang because she did sneak off from her house and family, during a dangerous time no less. So when she did see her sister in v5 again, i do think the apology was appropriate there. However, yang will always be an ungracious and unapologetic brat.

[@capt.artemislivius7601]

@@saramations *thanks to the writers...

[@arnowisp6244]

Can we agree Eddie should just have full writing power just for literally giving the bare Minimum we expect from Rwby? That part about Jaune really showed there is someone with a Brain herw.

[@carbodude5414]

The guy is an even bigger douchebag than Miles when it comes to taking critique so no

[@saramations]

Eddy is fucking horrible at writing.

[@blabbermouth1843]

I said this once, and I'll say it again: I don't care about scenes between Ruby and Yang post Volume 6 because they feel less like touching moments between sisters and more like damage control because the writers kept getting called out that Yang only cares about Blake now. "See?? Yang cares! They had one genuine scene in the whole volume!" meanwhile the YangXBlake moments are CONSTANT.

[@GeneralBolas]

And the stupid part is, you could actually make a good show out of that. Romance sometimes does get in the way of other relationships. And depending on how they managed to resolve Yang and Blake's issues, I could easily see Yang getting super-attached to Blake. So much that she starts missing other things going on around her. But that's not the plot. Oh, that's a thing that happens in the show, but it didn't happen because anybody *meant* for it to happen. It happened because for the writers, characters (and scenes) can only be about one thing at any given time. These writers are almost completely incapable of having a character exhibit more than one facet at any time. As such, Yang's behavior towards Ruby is unintended, rather than a point the show is trying to make. Which means the writers can't have Yang recognize her flaws (not in the moment at least) because the writers themselves don't recognize her flaws. They can only do it after-the-fact, when their audience gets them to realize how much they've screwed up.

[@oscarborjajr1176]

​@@GeneralBolas No Im sorry but I strongly disagree with this 100 percent. There shouldn't be any romance at all when it comes to yang and blake because yang should have a huge grudge against her and not want to deal wit her at all. Ruby should be prioritize ruby well being and either ignored blake or not deal with her. If blake tries to do anything the writer are trying yang should be angry or annoyed her. This cancerous ship is a huge problem when it comes to rwby and the story and the characters because it had a hand in ruin yang character, and even ruby relationship with her. It made yang an irredeemable character for a ship that no one in the fandom wants or likes, they were literally forced and manipulated into being this "relationship"( which lets be honest is extremely toxic and will not last at all ans instead be very abusive and toxic) She should be forcus on ruby and trying to help her and even weiss because the only reason why she there is because of ruby. Volume 9 and 8 ahould be heavy focus on yang character and her relationship with ruby ans how things are getting more dangerous ans yang fears she can't protect ruby because of salem ans the grimm are getting dangerous and are after ruby and the fate of thw world is at stake. If yang was trapped in the world with blake ahe ahould not want to be with her or date her and instead would want to be with ruby and protect her and want to get them all out of this world and would tell blake out as a coward and a terrible friend to everyone and doesn't want tp deal with her anymore. You could have it where yang and ruby are later talking and yang and ruby comforting each other.

[@GeneralBolas]

@@oscarborjajr1176 You know, I could have sworn I prefaced that with "depending on how they managed to resolve Yang and Blake's issues." Maybe you didn't notice. Obviously for you, Blake and Yang's issues cannot be resolved in any way. Yang should hate Blake forever, no matter what, and basically they should just kick her off the team, right?

[@oscarborjajr1176]

​​@@GeneralBolas I get the scarsm. I meant not a romantic way or yang getting be so attached blake because it would make more sense if yang not want to deal with her. Yang should be angry at her and not want to deal but over the course of the volumes she does forgive her. Romantically no because I don't think yang wants date someone who is coward and runs away like blake. Plus is makes no sense for yang getting attached to her. I can imagine yang trying to manage alot of stuff in the team since there going against salem and people are after ruby. So yeah.

[@skytiger215]

It's crazy how Rooster Teeth would attack critics while simultaneously rewriting the show to appease them. Same with the fans. They're so aggressive towards critics but then happily eat up RWBY content that acknowledges critcs and their critiques.

[@destinoperez3899]

Words cannot describe how happy it makes me feel to see someone else see that yang is in FACT a terrible sister for many actions

[@TheChar45]

I want all RT Staff to find better jobs with better pay and more respect but I hope that whomever gets RWBY can take the series in a different direction and just reboot it. It doesn't necessarily have to finish this story.

[@matteomiriello1661]

Ruby is saved?

[@TheChar45]

​@@matteomiriello1661 I guess it depends on what the definition of saved is. It may very well be a few years before we get something while this gets worked out and deals get signed.

[@RatchetClankFan112]

Reboot it for good and likable characters, and characters arcs, and great world building and good story and phyrra alive

[@flyingfist4203]

Rest in peace RWBY Beyond bingo board. You were…there, like RWBY Beyond.

[@BrappyHour]

This honestly reminds me of the final year of Bionicle. They had little to no marketing budget. So they hired Michael Dorn to narrate over art someone on the marketing team drew.

[@falconeshield]

Was Bionacle good? I've wanted to get into it in 2006 but I'd never been exposed to it beyond commercials. And then I grew older haha.

[@BrappyHour]

Bionicle was certainly fun to grow up with. I’d say the story was pretty good for media made to sell toys. The ending may not have been perfect, but it at least had an ending. ;)

[@shadowclaw7210]

At lest is sound better whatever hell RT attempting

[@jinkwon8410]

@@falconeshield Bionicle Gen 1 was what RWBY wishes it was.

[@RNDMNT]

@@jinkwon8410tbh rwby wishes it was Ninjago at this point lmao

[@christscrackers647]

Fans got what they wanted with Bumblebee, but in order to give the fans what they want they had to sacrifice Yang's relationship with LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE. You should never have to sacrifice your relationships with everyone else just because your in love, in fiction OR in real life. Bumblebee authentically nerfed both Yang and Blake too the point that they're barely characters anymore. All of their characterization practically died once they got together. The prime example being Yang's relationship with her sister, Ruby.

[@GeneralBolas]

No, they did not *have to* sacrifice everything else. That's just what happens when you have bad writers do romance. Or basically anything. The writers are completely unable to have a character do multiple things at once.

[@Butterism]

What's funny is that not only does RWBY consistently gets sensitive, serious topics wrong, but hilariously wrong. Even insultingly wrong. Racism? Make the guy who was branded has a child by his slave owners an abusive boyfriend. Never show it. Never. Address it once and move on. Adam deserved it because he was a monster. Abuse? Well, after really hammering it in that domestic abuse is bad, have one of the lead girls abuse her potential love interest. And to really twist the knife, play it off as empowerment and a joke. After all, Sun wouldn't have gotten hit if he just did what Blake said. Anti Military/Government Overstep? Have that framed as a good thing where there are literally monsters lurking around. Again, let's hammer it home. Cause the fate of the entire world is at stake. But miltary bad. Class Differences? Oh yeah, Iron Wood totally wanted to leave Mantal to die because they weren't worth caring about. Had nothing to do with being put in an impossible situation. Let's have an election and highlight lchosing good leaders and voting to contribute in your local government. Nobody needed to make the hard decisions at that time. Neurodivergence? It makes people villans. Having to use prosthetic limbs? Make you less human. LGBT Representation? Just a few minutes of screen time. Just a few. And only side characters. PTSD? Super easy, barely an inconvenience to get rid of. Suicide and Self Harm? Go for it! It might actually make everything better. Not wanting to be you is a good thing. ✨~~ Ascend ~~✨ And lastly, be sure to take the person who made an attempt on their lives to a place that should have very clear triggers. But then again, PTSD is very simple to get over. So who am I to judge?

[@stickthelanding4785]

I guess CRWBY writers are braindead considering how they seem to constantly write inadvertently bad scenes.

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

And are so terminally online theu base everything on what people say them about social media.

[@Ammy-q4w]

@@h34dhunt3rstudios8 As if you are better by believing everything people in the comment section and KZbinrs tell you

[@CherryAnime203]

I don’t want to sound dramatic, but the 'Yeah, Ruby' moment was the point where I lost all respect for Yang and the writers of the show. I tried to overlook the poor writing, but that scene was what did it for me. There is no recovering from it. The line so perfectly encapsulates everything wrong with this show, that I believe it could be studied in detail.

[@LunarethaAlter]

Let RWBY die. That's all I have to say. There's a point in a shows lifespan where it spirals so out of control, bringing it back is no longer an option. RWBY hit that point AWHILE ago.

[@TheJaranggigi]

Ooh boy, I've actually got a theory on who Somewhat ran into! My bet is that it's Neo, fully reborn as a good guy now because RWBY CANNOT help itself when it comes to female villains. She'll be reborn smiling and innocent, ready to leave the Ever After to help RWBY, JNPR, Oscar, Emerald, Qrow, Raven, Taiyang, AND Winter just fucking jump what's left of Salem's forces. Seriously, I like Tyrian and Mercury but what the fuck are they supposed to do? Tyrian's Semblance can only target one person and Mercury doesn't have one anymore and they've both lost repeatedly to various people on the good guy team. Tyrian and Mercury are walking into a prison yard stomping.

[@DocMicrowave]

CRWBY certain did leave the door open for Neo to return. If there would have been a V10, she would probably have popped in during the final battle to help turn the tides. As for Mercury. He's a dead man walking. No real redemption for him. He'd probably get taken out by Tyrian, taking a bullet meant for Emerald. I am guessing Tyrian would have died in a fight with Qrow. They'd probably kill each other.

[@DocMicrowave]

Another point to add to Yang's hypocritical secret keeping. As far as I can remember, she has never told anyone her mother is a Maiden. Or what she did to become a maiden.

[@franciscoadasilvajr4514]

Sad part is: I like the artstyle But both the epilogue and this just encapsulates the good and THE BAD of RWBY. Half-baked ideas, with a lot of promises (that are not gonna be deliver) and supplement material trying to patch the main story + tone shifts so violent it will leave you perplexed

[@blackkitty369]

If Yang took her to a weapon store as a call back to season 1 would have been better, and have the WHOLE TEAM say sorry not just Yang!

[@saltystick_99]

I'm willing to bet Kara (Weiss) and Arryn (Blake) were too expensive to bring back. Also the latter has Honkai Star Rail money so you _know_ she's better off now.

[@h34dhunt3rstudios8]

Tune in next week when Miles does another line of coke and decides to go after people for pointing out he's a hack.

[@naotokamigire-terumi9912]

Hahaha!

[@fightmanx]

Yang cares more about Blake then her own sister, and it's pretty obvious to see it.

[@Kazeryuun]

23:21 actual canon dialogue you can't convince me otherwise

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

It's probably something that was said back at Beacon as a joke; then, during Volume 9, Yang remembered what she'd said and was like, "the only thing worse than abandoning my sister is being a liar," and decided to follow through with the bit.

[@hypeman1825]

Can we just a moment to appreciate the hilarity that RAVEN is apparently in Vaccuo with the hero’s. A woman who’s spend over a decade making a living by being a literal BANDIT who attacks, robs, kidnaps for hostage gain and likely took the lives of many innocent travelers? Her crimes HAVE to be even greater than NEO’s. Yet she’s totally cool with everyone lmao. I just gotta say that the pattern of how consistent it is with CRWBY giving their female characters such non existent consequences for their actions has really started urking me. Can’t wait for V10 when Neo reappears to save Ruby while she’s fighting Cinder or something.

[@vondas1480]

Honestly if the series gets picked up hope they just erase most of the story, just do a reboot and ignore most of the stuff that goes nowhere

[@hypeman1825]

@@vondas1480 Couldn’t agree more, and get a new writing staff. I don’t wanna hear anything about “new writers don’t have a connection like our current team”.. like.. CLEARLY they don’t either.

[@Zezerthu]

⁠@@hypeman1825 Why would Raven even be there? Despite clearly stating she wants nothing to do with Yang or Salem? Now all of a sudden she joins the hero’s like WHAT?

[@Hexium_Vexium]

I watched RWBY Beyond the other night, myself, for the first time, so most of it's still pretty fresh in my mind. The Yang and Ruby episode? On paper, it should've been sweet and heartfelt - but in practice, it fell short. The one thing that got me the MOST, of anything, was that when Ruby started to speak, Yang INTERRUPTED HER and talked over her. Coming off Vol. 9, when Ruby was consistently interrupted/talked over, it felt kinda tone-deaf - and I feel like Yang interrupting Ruby should've had an actual, adverse reaction because of that. Like... Yang, girl, I know you've got things you want to say, but let your sister SPEAK and BE HEARD when SHE wants to say something.

[@DocMicrowave]

CRWBY has been "talking with partners" for well over 2 years now..

[@DocMicrowave]

Yang standing around watching Ruby un-alive herself is the Ying to Ruby standing around watching Yang fall off the platforms to her perceived demise.

[@superjesse645]

My story i'm working on... The cat dies in front of yang. Honestly RWBY V9 and the fall of Rooster Teeth have cemented in my mind that this IP has failed. Too much 'other' instead of actually tackling what we want to see, forced ships, blah blah blah we've heard it all before. It's been the sheer disaster of RWBY's fall (plus Jerry Freeman's old alt.Rwby project) that inspired me to write RWBY in my own head as essentially villains, and dysfunctional abusive ones at that.

[@lackofreason722]

Honestly all ever wanted from RWBY was dope action and a decently written story. I know writing is hard but how hard is it to tell a consistently decent story? I could go into it more but I don't wanna type it all. I just gotta hope they decide to reboot it though that is highly unlikely. Fanfiction gotta take that place.

[@YukiKurosame]

boba tea feels so wrong as a choice. its such a "we inserted this here cause its trendy" moment, like. Apparently theres no Germany in Remnant but there certainly is boba tea

[@lordvader9712]

White Snow moment

[@nocturnalcove9736]

Honestly the best thing about RWBY Beyond is the artstyle. It's honestly better than the offical style.

[@mittag983]

It is but it's not surprising after Volume 3 the art started to look weird and lifeless

[@Krukmeister]

God I really hope Kerry and Miles don't have anything to do with this show should it ever continue, their writing is absolute dogshit.

[@cynthiaquezada6982]

I'm ready for RWBY to get a redo like FMA: Brotherhood It needs to be corrected from the ground up!

[@flamelover1746]

Thing is, Brotherhood was just the source material being more closely adapted. RWBY never had that.

[@oprofeta6408]

The writers really Destroyed Blake and Yang develoment until V5 to make the Couple possible. Now They are nothing without eachother. Was It Worth It?

[@lashizzal7095]

Im not surprised Jaune's episode was the best. They ALWAYS make sure to give him good writing.

[@narog9151]

Oh oh OH OOOOH!!! So now they fucking acnolege that those are sisters,after so many years?! What a good fucking time!

[@daplinko3433]

Bumblebee not only killed the sister relationship, but it also killed Blakes personality, I miss the fierce revolutionary Blake that was insanely smart book worm, and lets all be honest with our selves Blakes speeches were 100x better then Ruby's, Blake was way better at public speaking

[@itspienoon7883]

They truly have made Blake, out of all our main characters, the most superfluous to the overarching plot of RWBY. Like at least Yang and Weiss have a purpose to still be here (flimsy ones I know) because their plot relevant female family member is a maiden (Raven and Winter). Ruby's here because of her silver eyes and her mother and what not. But Blake? She has no narrative reason to be here. Her story was always White Fang related. Her main adversary was always Adam. But now that she killed him and got rid of the White Fang and furry racism is no more, she truly has no purpose to be important to the main conflict of the story other than the fact her B initial is still there in the show's title. She could've left the show after volume 6 and almost nothing would change.

[@Jojo-be5im]

the relationship between Ruby and Yang, was neat in vol 1 through 5 but than in 6, they really screwed it up and made it feel like Yang was ignoring her little sister, all so that the writers can keep shoving the bumblebee ship

[@dylans.1741]

I never really thought about it until mentioned it, but Neptune is probably among my least favorite characters as well. Literally his entire character is just sexually harassing women, which just isn't funny. It kinda comes off as the two men who write the show making a joke out of sexual harassment, which given this company's history of misogyny and the fact that he's literally a self-insert, is not surprising at all

[@Scandal262]

Oh good so its not just me who thinks Neptune is the fucking worst

[@osmanthuswinetastethesameasire]

yang is a bad sister which rwby fans cant accept

[@Ammy-q4w]

Would you be willing to die for your sibling? Something tells me you wouldn't, and you'd hate your sibling for being in the bad situation they had no control over instead.

[@osmanthuswinetastethesameasire]

@@Ammy-q4w Oh sure I'll be like Yang where I'm glad my sister's scythe is finally back ignoring that Ruby just gave our mom's crest away and is in emotional distress and I'll rely on her just because she is the leader and oh I won't say shit as my sister finally snaps and I'll just protect my kitten girlfriend instead of talking to my sister. Also, I have two siblings and I love them lmao don't connect a BS character's life to mine. I know Yang did sacrifices but she is shit in v9

[@osmanthuswinetastethesameasire]

@@Ammy-q4w also as other comments says she still hasn't apologized to ruby after what happened in the ever after but "oh no im a bad sibling now just because i hated a fictional character that is shit!" i literally apologize and treat my sibling after we fight but you do you, you believe what you believe

[@AgntFL]

Honestly despite their claims and promises. I don’t see RWBY getting a tenth volume; a reboot with a new team of writers possibly, but not a continuation of the current story. Crwby has proven time and again without a shadow of a doubt that they are incapable of producing a quality product

[@zonnodon163]

You got that right

[@someguycalledgoober155]

I think the worse part of the Yang not noticing Ruby's issues thing, is that's the *corner stone* of Blake and Yang's relationship. She noticed Blake's issues, how "Good she was hiding them," and shared her own personal experiences to get Blake to cut the crap out and have fun with friends. Why wasn't Yang "Over protective sister" Xiao Long doing that with Ruby? Honestly I can get over the "Damnit, you're not suppose to be here." Like, fair, you wanted to make sure your sister's alive and fighting the good fight... Followed by Blake's glomping.. No... Just no. Personally, V9 should of had Yang been aged up due to weird time stuff. Or even just Ruby just going down with just Neo, and Yang going scorch earth again Cinder. Heck, even *in* the V9 we got, they could have just cut the scene where Ruby drinks the Die and have it that she was already dead on the floor and Yang realizes "Oh crap, I was a bad sister."

[@capt.artemislivius7601]

Why do I get the feeling that if Bubmblebee didn't exist Yang and Ruby would've had a better relationship??? I mean geez, it's almost like not focusing on Team RWBY's platonic sisterhood both figuratively _and_ literally as Monty Oum had planned and instead prioritizing a woke ship is a detrimen no?

[@someguycalledgoober155]

​@@capt.artemislivius7601 Right? To be 100% frank here, there's some Yang ships that I find interesting and cute.... But I feel like her arc makes the most sense she doesn't get anyone. Just is the fun sister/aunt type that helps and vibes. Heck, V1-5ish shows that peak Yang is that sisterly version of her. Not that she can't be anything else mind you, but she's at her best when she's in her element. It's one of her core traits that makes the character of Yang. And, if you couldn't tell by how much I've talked about it, I feel like it's under used after V5. All the characters, even Sun, have at least one thing. As a quick aside, Sun could be more nuts with his fights using his tail a bit more, IMO. But pointing back to the main topic, Yang's main one: Being Ruby's sister.

[@thomasraines1396]

Have Ruby not dog piling Yang be the first sign that something is wrong. Have it be when Ruby breaks down, Blake doesn’t cower in fear behind her girlfriend, have her be ashamed for not noticing that one of best friends was hurting. Don’t have Yang look like she’s about to rock up to Ruby, have rough “Hey!” be followed by a softening of her eyes and frame more as a case “let’s stop before something is said we can’t take back.”

[@tsunekune5753]

Is it a safe space to say that Team JNPR is probably more developed than Team RWBY throughout these volumes?

[@Hartzilla2007]

Yeah, I consider it one of the really annoying things about the show.

[@marocat4749]

i think they are just more consistent,to be honest.

[@FinalQueue007]

15:41 Yang was more concerned in getting her two kitties wet than she was about her little sister mental well being and overall struggles as a whole

[@spencermalley10]

It's a shame because I really like Sun and I would have loved to have seen an actual genuine reaction to the girl he clearly had feelings for being possibly dead. He deserves better than this lame schtick and his school partner, Aquaphobe Millhouse. It's honestly pretty disturbing how the fandom has defended Yang by saying it's mostly Ruby's fault for not opening up about her issues to them.

[@TamelaRedfin]

That line boils my blood. Yang wouldn't have listened and as I told my partner (who never watched Rwby) while ranting about Yang, she knew! She knew Ruby had trouble with her mental health but does she ever reach out a hand? No! Even if she didn't know directly, that's her younger sister, thrust in a war because of a power she can't control.

[@redraptorx1066]

remember when ship names from the fandom were used as the names of team attacks? so do i.

[@selena44842]

I honestly have no idea how RT/WB is going to convince someone else to buy RWBY, yeah there are still hardcore fans but I feel RWBY's spark has gone out, the viewership has been suffering for years, none of their spin offs have done particularly well from my understanding and the company that made it is now dead in the water, idk if it were me that would scream bad investment

[@JuanLeon-oe6xe]

Add the hardcore fans who'd probably get anal about the idea of actually rebooting the entire thing and it's like a flamethrower in a gas station. Hell, "fans" get insane for stuff _less awful_ than this... Sorta reminds me of when disney began purchased Fox and realised Power Rangers came with the package.... except that most of PR's issues at the time came _preciselly_ from disney...

[@phabiorules]

I mean, by the end of the day it’s a product with a built in fan base already. That makes it less risky than other properties (which is what business execs like to avoid).

[@jackallaster7710]

I'll give them this - at least they managed to unsuperglue Yang from Blake for once in, like, 5 or 6 years. I full on expected one of the episodes to be Blake and Yang going on a date in Vacuo and telling everyone about how they got together. also it fucking kills me that the only episode that revolves around the 2 main characters has the shitties title of them all. just "Boba". other 3 episodes' titles aren't 10 out of 10 either, but at least they're kinda okay and tell you what the episode is about, while the Yang and Ruby episode is literally just one single word. they could've named the episode "Sisterly Outing" or something like that, but no, just fucking "Boba"

[@MediaGhost_]

There was a lot of potential stuff they could've done with this: -Maybe show how both Ruby and Yangs village as well as Tai are doing despite the world literally burning -Maybe show Glynda's role during the whole time skip between Vol 4-8 -Maybe show Jane's parents and their reactions to what's currently happening and flashbacks of why he wasn't trained as a huntsman -Maybe have the old man being the best character despite not saying anything Literally ANYTHING!

[@jonathanboyd7327]

I can't believe( i actually can) they went with team rwby being the messiahs of the world despite the world falling apart until they came back.

[@mirramirraonthewall]

Honestly, if the story is going for the direction of Ruby becoming Remnant Jesus (the fact it could be interpreted by the people that she was dead in a way and came back isn’t helping), I’m kind of scared where they’re taking this story if it is continuing.

[@GenZealous]

We went from annihilating beowolves in a forest with stellar animation to drinking boba in a supposed “crisis” in a cheap art style. Bye RWBY pls don’t come back.

[@ImDudeRandom90]

Or, come back with a reboot and new writers.

[@pisscvre69]

rwby is best remebered as the trailers, and season 1 and 2, 3 isnt bad but sets up a terrible story going forward so ima just forget 3 mostly to LOL

[@zonnodon163]

@@ImDudeRandom90 This

[@Thedude38356]

I love how you call Blake "the cat" it made me laugh all day 😆

[@Dave175]

Thing is, RWBY was always such an unorthodox production that I have no idea how a new studio will make new seasons

[@DocMicrowave]

Only way would be to do a soft (or hard) reboot. RWBY is too fraught with issues as is.

[@Dave175]

@@DocMicrowave that actually seems less likely than a continuation

[@empress_eve]

Honestly; when they made Bumblebee canon, I just knew the somewhat good and relatable sibling relationship Yang had with Ruby would be the sacrifice for that. I personally loved Yang and Ruby's relationship since I have sisters of my own, but when that whole fiasco involving Qrow's VA and the... behavior of certain VAs came to light at the time; I just knew that they won't be written as sisters after that, and instead be more like a written afterthought where even the rest of the cast had to remind Yang that she's Ruby's sister and not just Blake's girlfriend.

[@supertails8881]

Wait, what did the VAs do?

[@empress_eve]

@@supertails8881 It's a bit of a long story; but they basically helped in Me Too'ing Vic Mignogna (who voiced Qrow before he got replaced) on false SA allegations. During the time, they also stirred up controversy when people criticized the canon inclusion of Bumblebee by calling it a homophobia; some later details are a bit blurry since that was prolly the last thing I heard about RWBY outside of RWBY Season 9 and the anime that came out; and even there was drama there as well. One thing I remember was Blake's VA criticizing something about the anime, prolly one of the animators, directors or writers (not completely sure) and she was trying to Me Too them as well since she dug up some old divorce case they were apart of; and threatened to not dub the anime because of his inclusion on the team I think? Bit blurry but it was a messy time for the fandom since this was right off the coattails of what happened to Vic Mignogna.

[@supertails8881]

@@empress_eve Jesus

[@phabiorules]

@@empress_evewere they false? It seemed like there was a lot of witness testimony’s and when he tried to sue, the case got thrown out. Seems like it isn’t quite as cut and dry as some other accusations.

[@kielbasamage]

@@phabiorules It's been more than 4 or 5 years since the allegations and I haven't really heard about anything solid happening to Vitch Lasagna; just the typical "banned from all his roles" stuff, but that's not an indication of guilt considering people with such things attached to them are radioactive; a sad thing when you consider it's basically a punishment long before any verdict could come out.

[@robertrosenbaum6923]

The creative team behind rwby is bad at story writing and developing charakters. The only thing they did for years is baiting and we see how that strategy worked out, Roosterteeth lost costumers, investors and had to shutdown.

[@zonnodon163]

True

[@kittennoodlesyar8490]

"why should she care about her sister's death?" at 18:01 Sounded like a different person entirely, scary

[@nanashix4889]

Yang is a shit tier character. I'll die on this hill.

[@GoneRampant]

I feel like the Junior Detectives story was Kerry writing a story for toddlers. Granted, given the average intellectual age of the people who go to r/rwby, he may not be that far off the mark regarding his target audience!

[@tonywalker3541]

I think two words that perfectly sum up RWBY (and Rooster Teeth in general, tbh) are "cognitive dissonance".

[@BoyHedgehog]

Isnt it for the Red Prince that his change is due for failling his porpuse? He is the prince that always wins. Since he lost to team RWBY that shocked him so much that his face cracked. I would say that could be the real change at least for one afterian righ? Thats why hes so different.. Right? XD

[@beary523]

I’m surprised no one’s mentioned how Tai just isn’t there. They said Tai on a mission or something but has no one told him his daughters are alive? If so, why hasn’t he come to see them?

[@itspienoon7883]

It's so sad how Tai is left out of alot of Yang and Ruby's conversations. It's either about Summer or the ongoing plot at hand with those two, and not about the alive, still living father they share who's probably been worried sick, since the last time he's seen either of his daughters was when Yang lost her arm in Beacon to the last sighting of seeing Ruby on TV, spreading her message.

[@skyslasher2297]

13:45 The Pizza Resistance: It’s French for lactose intolerant.

[@Tingalicious]

This show was more than likely created because of very dangerous/dark message season 9 left Like how at the end of season 3 had a depress ending RWBY Chibi was created