RWBY Volume 8 Episode 10 Reaction: Ultimatum

[@SenMysrana]

I love the split-second glimpse of *terror* we see when Watts hits the ground again. Part of him was genuinely expecting Cinder to kill him, bravado be damned.

[@blackvial]

If he was going to die he was sure as hell going to roast Cinder.

[@MrCAXA-tq1yc]

They're not going to kill off Christopher Sabat yet

[@sleepyllama3673]

@@MrCAXA-tq1yc Are you sure about that

[@MrCAXA-tq1yc]

@@sleepyllama3673 lol I was so wrong

[@blackvial]

Christopher Sabat channeled Vegeta into Watt's roast of Cinder and I love it.

[@Tyler_Gomola]

The laugh. THE LAUGH!

[@glitchedknights323]

New/Only favorite character: Arthur Watts

[@alannorris3819]

Bruh he's always roasting and trolling cinder. I love it.

[@jeffreysmith236]

Oscar does know how to sneak in to the vault through the new secret back door he made in last volume finale. Right up the half mile shaft.

[@shakvids2491]

Great call. It's precisely how CRWBY likes to foreshadow too. Like the Rocket-propelled lockers or Snowshoe Shipping drones.

[@DocMicrowave]

Very fair! The can just fly up the open shaft (using one of the many ships they've stolen). Just like Cinder and company did at Amity. WAIT, Surely Ironwood sealed and secured that breach shortly after discovering what Oscar did after he fel........ Never mind, this is the same military that had one ship on patrol, that shot one grimm down during the initial Grimm attack on Atlas. The same military that has allowed the Heroes (and villains) to fly in and around Atlas/Mantle unchallenged in stolen ships. Ok, I see your point. Oscar and company are good. They are so getting into the vault with ease.

[@jeffreysmith236]

@@DocMicrowave I think Ironwood thinks Oscar hit bottom and died and Oz is somewhere else starting over again.

[@DocMicrowave]

Perhaps. That is what I felt Ironwood was doing when he shot Oscar. He just wanted to get Oz out of his way for a while. At the expense of Oscar of course. He knew Oz would come back. Just not here. Speaking of that. I can't seem to remember when Ironwood became aware that Ozpin can do that. Was he always aware that Ozpin was Immortal and swapped bodies from time to time? I could understand if he came to learn that as he learned Salem was immortal. He did not know about Salem being like that. But he seemed to already know Ozpin would reemerge in another body. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@shakvids2491]

@@DocMicrowave Ironwood always knew about Oz's reincarnation. All the headmasters, Glynda, and Qrow were told

[@MadKingParadoxS]

did anyone else think that last ironwood lighting was reminiscent of the chess board moment in the opening when all the spaces fell apart

[@Maswartz226]

I say this on every reaction, interesting how Ironwood talks about Atlas's future, Atlas's technology, but not Atlas's people?

[@dragonrune6800]

He definitely isn't talking about Mantle's people.

[@eren34558]

Your right

[@dragon2218]

He cares for the resources, but not the people

[@billsutherby]

@@dragon2218 he has a hero complex. It's the same problem Ozpin had (just not as extreme). Ironwood's song last volume was "Hero" and the lyrics all talk about how he believes he's the hero of the story and that only his way is right. Just like Ozpin kept all his secrets because he felt its his burden to bear and he couldn't trust anybody else with the truth

[@corym.m.3084]

Gotta love Neo and her skipping happily away.

[@eliburry-schnepp6012]

There are fourteen episodes this volume :D

[@Amyisntcreative]

Oh shit thanks I did not know how many would be In this volume, :o

[@BlizzardofKnives]

Whale go BOOM! Shippers go AAH! Ironwood go SNAP!

[@dragonrune6800]

Very concise.

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

Real talk, can we all agree how amazing Chris Sabat's V/O performance was when Watts was calling Cinder out on all her failures? Near the end, I was starting to hear him slip into his inner Vegeta there. Also I think we can safely assume there is no redemption for Ironwood at this point. It was bad enough he was going to leverage the lives of Penny's friends against her to get her to cooperate. But now he is basically like: "Your options are do as I say or everyone you are working so hard to save will die by my hands." There is just no coming back form this point. I use to really like Ironwood, but now I would not be upset if they decided to kill him off. He has truly become one of those villains that you love to despise. I only hope that if they do decide to kill him off, they don't do a cop out where he suddenly realizes that there is no redemption for him and he kills himself.

[@morlock2012]

Before the break I was expecting some kind of tactical suicide run from Ironwood, like using Atlas to literally crush the whale. Or something channeling captain Ahab. Not ruling it out, but looking very unlikely.

[@dragon2218]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain Also, I would believe Tyrian would be Remnant's equivalent to Jack the Ripper 😃😃😃😃😃

[@eren34558]

I was thinking Kimblee

[@dragon2218]

@@eren34558 From Fullmetal Alchemist? I can see that

[@charlietango261]

"Thanks, I hate it" pretty much sums up a lot of things in this episode. Along with the phrase "Yeah... about that..." Gods, is it fun to listen to Chris Sabat verbally chew the scenery.

[@Dr.Disney]

I could watch Watts talking truth to Cinder for hours and it’ll never be any less satisfying.

[@ensanesane]

Jinn has always reminded me of the question genie from Sheep in the Big City lol "How many questions?" "3" "Did you say 3?" "Yes" "So you'll answer 3 questions, right?" "That's right. Later sucker!" "Awww"

[@jeffreysmith236]

Maisie Williams was nominated for an Emmy for her VA work as Cammie in Genlock.

[@johnnygnoneeded]

Really? Very cool! Maise is a very talented actress!

[@jeffreysmith236]

@@johnnygnoneeded yes, it was learning this that got me interested in it as I had not heard about it, I was a rabid Throner at the time. And I had not heard about RWBY either.

[@alexthomas311]

I just looked it up. I can't find news of that anywhere.

[@jeffreysmith236]

@@alexthomas311 I don't know what to tell you. It was reported at the time the nominations were announced. I do not know if she was a finalist for the award, just that she was in the initial report, which is why I looked up Genlock in the first place Because I had not heard of it.

[@jeffreysmith236]

And it was a report on every single thing GoT and it's actors were nominated for, right at the beginning. So there were something like 8 of them nominated in supporting category but nowhere near that many were finalists. I do not recall ever seeing if Maisie was a finalist in the VA category, just one of the early ones. I was pulling for her to win an Emmy, so was thrilled she was nominated in multiple categories for different shows.

[@thetntraider]

This episode was a doozy. Also, Katie, I love that your sweater is very Gilmore-like while wearing the “Don’t forget to love each other” shirt. :D

[@capper187]

21:05 He's more machine now, than man... 🤖

[@johnnygnoneeded]

Ooooooo! Vader reference! I agree! (;]D,

[@eren34558]

Twisted and evil

[@salembn1176]

Can I say that I love how during his speech Ironwood mentions he protects Atlas's technology, and its future. He never mentions anything about the people.

[@dklounge7082]

There are so many fans claiming that Ironwood's threat makes no sense and that the writers are ruining his character, but those fans clearly forgot that last volume ended with him shooting a child who didnt agree with him and this volume started with him killing someone who didnt agree with him. Time and time again, we've seen how irrational he gets when his paranoia mixes with his "my way or the highway" mentality and this is no different

[@eliburry-schnepp6012]

Yeah as someone for whom James has always been among my favorites, this is entirely in keeping with everything we’ve seen from him since day one

[@dirttrackart]

His semblance is literally "I will die on this hill". Instead of being logical and adapting to the changing situation, he digs his heels in deeper and keeps going in the same direction, and then blames everyone else when he isn't getting to his goal. We have seen Ironwood perfectly transition from Lawful Good at Beacon, Lawful Neutral during Mistral, and Lawful Evil now in Atlas. And he still sees himself as Lawful Good. That's why this is so well written and Ironwood is now a great villain, in my opinion.

[@jamesvega6813]

@@dirttrackart this is a horrible ass semblance

[@johnoden5932]

@@jamesvega6813 Its a really good semblance when used in small amounts but James is using it as his only resort.

[@blackvial]

@@johnoden5932 are you sure, I've heard talk that it's a passive semblance that can't be switched off, of course CRWBY hasn't even thought to explain what his semblance might be in show so no casual fan who doesn't follow up with the panels at RTX would have no clue as to why Ironwood took a swan dive into stupidity.

[@blakegutherie5409]

Watts is saying what we're all thinking.

[@billsutherby]

If he had said what we're all thinking, he would have called her a dumb twat. But I get it; it's a family friendly show.

[@jeffreysmith236]

There could be repercussions for maiden power being dispersed, but all Salem is concerned with is relic access. And Watts knows this and is providing it.

[@billyp1836]

Watts pulled an all time MVP move! LOVED this episode!

[@Half_theBattle]

Neo's question: Whatever happened to sweet Brunswick Farms, where Roman and I grew up and all my valuables are stored?

[@YouAnd_OnlyYou]

"Gone, reduced to atoms."

[@Phantomz148]

Neo didn't grow up with Roman. In fact, the once-planned novel about Neo said that Roman and her met up a fair bit later into her life lol

[@Half_theBattle]

@@Phantomz148 I'm aware; it was a joke based on that picture at the farm.

[@Phantomz148]

@@Half_theBattle oh sorry, I didn't mean anything by it. Just figured since the tossed book plot wasn't a big thing for that long that maybe some hadn't.

[@Half_theBattle]

@@Phantomz148 No offense taken, you're fine. Have a nice day.

[@crunchevo8974]

Watts went the heck off on Cinder lol. But my favourite moment is the new *SOFT* song! I want the full version and I'm ready to cry while hearing it.

[@robingoodfellow5092]

Watts used *Verbal Spanking*, it was incredibly effective...

[@jdspartan117]

When we saw Oscar sitting there staring at his hands and cane I had a moment of fear that he accelerated the merging to its end, that it was really Ozpin realizing what just happened. Then find out its Oscar and I could breath again.

[@blackvial]

Cinder was able to pass as a college student, not a high school students. The huntsman academies are more like colleges as you have to go to a training school first or prove to the school that you're worthy. With the ages of the first years being 17, except for Ruby, Cinder is probably between 17-21

[@joemorgan2390]

Yeah her, Winter, and Adam are all in the "23, give or take" age range

[@jeffreysmith236]

There is a humorous replay in the manga of the end of 2-2, where Ruby silently eyed Cinder for what, 5 seconds? Then Ruby says "Oh, you're the chaperone" and Cinder, totally out of character, loses her temper and exclaims "I am a student!", and then Ruby thinks "Oh she must have had to repeat 2 years".

[@johnnygnoneeded]

@@jeffreysmith236 Oh, that's funny! (;]D,

[@zaandarbrow]

21:14 iron wood comes on "but mein fuhrer dont blow up the ships" xD

[@ZaberFangAT]

The thing with Penny self-destructing after opening the vault: Salem doesn't care what happens with the maidens after she's used them to access the relics. Same thing was addressed with the Spring maiden. It also removes a very potent piece from the game.

[@JJR93]

Ironwood's too far gone, but if he'd just let the SDC ships evacuate the civilians (to Argus, maybe?) then team RWBY would also drop their objections to Penny helping them yeet Atlas into the stratosphere if he still wanted to.

[@morlock2012]

Good point, though I doubt Ruby would be entirely happy about the world's largest army hiding in orbit while Salem gets to roam the whole of Remnant at leisure.

[@billsutherby]

@@morlock2012 Ruby might not have liked it, but she has no right or authority to stroll into town and dictate how that country operates. I'm not okay with Ironwood's plan either, but Ruby's opinion on matters of state is among the last of those whom I'd consult

[@ensanesane]

He doesn't have time, he needs to get the relic before Salem comes back. That's why he only gave them an hour.

[@Amyisntcreative]

I swear Fred should just be the mascot for the channel I would love to buy his stuff but I have yet to check out the website and I am lacking money LOL anyways, BOY OH BOY THIS EPISODE- Ironwood is such a piece of shit that I want to cry-- and I loved your guys' reaction to the explosion scene that Oscar caused. The most beautiful part of that scene was when Weiss walked in, the slow-mo effect as she was dropping the tray and the light getting brighter- LIKE WOW CRWBY U GUYS!! When I first saw that scene I was so fucking shocked because before I remembered that Oscar did that I almost cried because I thought it was like a nuke and killed everyone. THE WEISS SCENE DIDNT HELP EITHER--

[@noahorakwue2653]

I can't wait for your reaction next week that episode had me speechless.

[@Kiaxet]

It's already available on Patreon!

[@noahorakwue2653]

@@Kiaxet Which I don't have hence my anticipation.

[@Xardion55]

-Chapter 10: Ultimatum RWBY quote of the chapter _“You think you’re entitled to everything just because you suffered, but suffering isn’t enough. You can’t just be strong, you have to be smart! You can’t just be deserving; you have to be worthy! But all you have ever been is a bloody migraine!” (Arthur Watts)_ -Aftermath When Oscar released the power of his cane, I was not expecting that. Oscar explained that the power his used was kinetic energy. Was that linked to his magical power or was it tech based? Or maybe it’s both? Oscar had said that the more he uses his magic, the closer his merger will be. With that much power, it would have affected him more, but Oscar’s personality remained unchanged and Ozpin hasn’t said anything about it either. Whatever the case, that one move evidently turned the whole situation around. Marrow’s response after the explosion was incredibly telling, further showing the difference between him and the others in the Ace-Ops (excluding Winter). He sees Jaune as a friend and was quite distressed upon seeing his possible death. But that had been his mentality since the beginning of the Volume. His concern over Flynt and Neon, his worry setting the bomb in the first place, all this is evidence of what Ren had said to him earlier; that he doesn’t want to have any more part of this. Regardless, he chooses to do his duty despite his feelings. For now… This may also be the start of Emerald’s turnaround. She had already betrayed Salem and lost Hazel. Add to that, Mercury is no longer around, so she is basically on her own. Of course, her loyalty to Cinder will be tested at some point, so we’ll see how that’ll turn out. Interesting to see Oscar and Ren defending her, largely because of her ability and skill, but with Oscar is particular trying, in this small way, to bring people together, by turning a former enemy into a potential ally, by giving her a second chance. Much like all of his predecessors… _”Like-minded souls indeed…”(Salem)_ Seeing the citizens of Atlas cramped together shows that in this conflict, they are (slightly) no better off than those at Mantle. Probably even more so since they were more sheltered than many others in the rest of Remnant so they are more prone to fear, which, in turn, will attract the Grimm. The battle as subsided at least for now, but this would definitely have an impact on their lifestyle from now on, very contrary to the mindset that was shared by the socialite on Volume 4 regarding Vale. _“If they’re so arrogant that they can get by without proper kingdom defenses, then I’d say good riddance.”_ With a quote from Qrow (Volume 3) to rebuttal… _”You think their scared of your little ships?! I’ve been out there and I’ve seen the things she’s made, and let me tell you. They are Fear.”_ -Rebuke This scene was quite the turnaround. What started as Cinder being an unstable volatile threat turned in her being broken and defeated enough to shed tears (honestly, I didn’t think she was capable of that anymore). This actually shows how different her persona was before and after the Fall of Beacon. Before, she was more cunning and strategic, from planning on how to attacking Amber to setting up the Fall of Beacon through use of the hack on Atlas as well as utilizing the White Fang. But after she received the full power of the Fall Maiden, she simply opted to obtain more through use of force. _“Working with bandits? Keeping Ruby alive? What’s the point? We’re strong enough to take what we want by force.”_ As much as you may not like this guy, Watts is definitely the MVP of this episode, replacing his fear of being dropped out to the ground into his irritation of Cinder’s actions, visible shown when he dropped his hands to rant at her. Funnily enough, this is quite similar to the conversation/training between Tai and Yang on Volume 4 _“But you gotta keep your emotions in check. Keep a level head, and think before you act.”_ Watts must have been surprised that Cinder didn’t drop him and instead opted to pull him back into to roof and quietly walk away and sit down (he would have had a heart-attack if he saw her crying). I’m writing this, and that moment still has me stumped. I guess talk no jutsu really does work… Now the question is, how is she going to deal with the situation now that Salem is out for the moment and Neo has the Relic? -Corrupted General _“I will sacrifice whatever it takes to stop her.”_ _“Oh, I hope you do, James. I hope you do.”_ What Ironwood didn’t realize was that sacrifice would include his own sanity. The honest truth is that Ironwood is obsessed with having any sort of leverage. Even after his error regarding Roman Torchwick, he is still focused on having that, on having control, mainly due to the fear of losing it after what Salem did to his army at the Fall of Beacon. Ironwood’s psyche drops further and further into the abyss due to his mounting frustration on the war, so hearing that Cinder had broken into the prison to get Watts didn’t exactly help. Although it seemed odd for him to specifically target Qrow (at least, not at this point) for recapture. Giving that Qrow didn’t resist arrest, there was no real reason to think that he would be a threat. But I’d imagine that Ironwood was worried that Qrow would seek out Ruby and likely he’d find out what he was doing before the battle and then react accordingly. After the whale Grimm was defeated, one would think that would be, at the very least, a moment of respite, especially considering that a few moments before, Atlas was under siege from Salem and the Grimm. Even more, he would want to wonder what destroyed the whale Grimm if it wasn’t the bomb. But he brushed past that just to focus on his current plan; getting Penny to open the vault in order to move Atlas away before Salem revives. And because he has yet to determine Penny’s status, he assumes that she is still with her friends (which they were, but not the way he thinks). So he goes by that by using her friends as leverages to bring her to him. Which they no longer have because of Winter… I think that moment there is where he truly lost his mind. Hearing what Winter had was likely the last straw (or close to it) because now he will believe that even his closest soldier had betrayed him (Seriously Harriet, are you trying to be more disliked by everyone?). I was actually worried that he would strike her down or something similarly physical (like what he did to the table), but the fact that he didn’t was probably worse. He could very likely use her as a pawn to pressure Weiss to find Penny. And then it gets worse. Destroying the aid that could have saved Mantle is insane. The entire conflict with Ironwood and RWBY was solely on the fact of saving Mantle and Atlas. With Mantle being saved, it would have made things go a lot better, as civilian casualties of another battle would have been minimized. Furthermore, if Mantle is rescued, then there would be no reason for Penny _not_ open the vault and move Atlas to safety as well. But instead, he destroyed Mantle’s best chance of survival just to use them as leverage. Even worse, it appears he wanted Mantle destroyed one way or another. If his demand was met, Mantle would be left to die, either by the Grimm or by the temperature. If not, he would destroy Mantle, if anything, out of spite. There is a chance that he could be bluffing, but he does not seem to be the type. He had said repeatedly that he doesn’t care about his reputation, so he has little restraint not to. All he cares about is getting Penny under _his_ control. Ultimately, it is as Oscar had warned him (before he shot him). _“Then you just as bad as she is, James.”_

[@CruelestChris]

I'd love if if Neo's solution to being unable to talk was to go to a bar and try to order a drink. "OK, so the whiskey?" "Ah, rum?" "John, she's obviously pointing to the gin."

[@thelast5warriorsoftheworld546]

Ren and Watts are saying what we all are thinking and I love it

[@jcam5]

Oh Dear, Winter has gone and upset Ironwood and we know what happens when someone upsets Ironwood.

[@DocMicrowave]

Ironwood - "Winter, don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."

[@douglasdaniel4504]

@@DocMicrowave I really expected him to shoot her out of hand....

[@zackrose6261]

@@douglasdaniel4504 Ironwood seems to have a soft spot for winter since he never actually reprimanded her in any kind of form.

[@jcam5]

@@DocMicrowave Ironwood Smash!

[@DocMicrowave]

Now adays, because of the poor writing, I can fairly accurately predict what will happen to some characters. Wheither they'll live or die. I must say, I wasn't quite sure how Ironwood was going to treat Winter after that bomb drop. The only thing I could think of is that he was holding back on her, taking into account her steadfast loyalty, and waiting for her to give an acceptable explanation. As for a "never actually reprimanding her", she has never given him reason to (till now). She follows every order to the letter. She has shown extreme loyalty to what ever does. I think she was literally second in command behind him. She is a very valuable and trusted asset to James, in an environment where he has almost none.

[@chonk2electricboogaloo976]

“Sure hope bills ok” *nervous laughter* yeeeah

[@funcoolfunfun]

Neo and Watts stole this episode

[@Pr0ject_Dusk]

I'm actually way too glad that you galz have not been spoiled than usual LMAO. Anywasss stay hydrated because...well...yeah stay hydrated :P

[@CarbonMage]

Pretty sure Watts indeed does not care about what happens to the winter mantle after the vault's open, since Salem really only wants the relics and he's REALLY salty at Penny for existing on account of Pietro EDIT 31:58 oh ok never mind :-)

[@greyworld6242]

Damn you Harriet! Still have to question why Salem is not instantly back right now. Ladies I’m pretty sure Salem and cinder’s circumstances were different for how they suffered, respectively.

[@greyworld6242]

@Ulfang999 when oz and Salem fought back in the wasn’t oz a lot stronger long ago and didn’t Salem revive immediately after being turned to ash? I recommend looking at the lost fable episode for confirmation.

[@darrenlyddieth5770]

The flashing warning is generally aimed towards people with Photosensitive epilepsy.

[@SPatrickRoss]

I think purple represents pain and sorrow.

[@johnnygnoneeded]

And Guilt...lots and lots of good, old fashioned Guilt! Just look! Look at what you've done, Emerald! (;]D,

[@dre1426]

Just discovered your channel. Loved the reaction!!! Already subscribed.

[@johnoden5932]

Ironwood finally finished that villain hole hes been digging sense the beginning at the end of last volume now he hit rock bottom and swapped from the slow shovel to the power tools. Something to keep in mind for the humans surviving vs the Grimm the humans have aura and all the people above ground are fighters with aura while grimm have 0 protection against the blastwave.

[@crazy13alex]

And you believe ANYONE of them can survive what amounts to a nuclear bomb? Because Ozpin's explosion was miles away from the city of Atlas proper, going off on farmland, and kilometers above Mantle. Besides, civilians hardly ever unlock their aura, which is required, and are as mortal as people on Earth.

[@fandomgaymertransgirl2.0]

I love May Marigold. I finally get to see someone like me on TV. There needs to be more representation of trans characters & LGBTQ+ characters in general.

[@eren34558]

She's awesome. I also love how she took pride in her identity.

[@untoucheddiguise]

Can we just agree Watts took Cinder’s soul out through her kneecaps?

[@fandomgaymertransgirl2.0]

As far as content warnings go, I always use the correct tags on my fanfics on AO3 so that people won't be triggered by the content. I don't write anything bad, but I do want to be on the safe side & I don't want offend or upset anyone or anything like that.

[@eren34558]

Wise decision. Same

[@DocMicrowave]

Arthur "Savage" Watts is the Man!! Verbally spanked a maiden powered brat into submission while dangling at (grimm) arms length over an abyss. Yes Cinder definitely needed to hear that, and Watts is the only one who could have delivered it. Props to the VA. I just hope they are not trying to garner some kind of sympathy for her. Cinder has to much to answer for.

[@zaandarbrow]

Watts: Talk no Jutsu

[@wolfsaints]

14 episodes this volume also can we just ask who are the killers we don’t know identities of yet or maybe famous killers narrow it down

[@RectPropagation]

Everyone loves Watts' tirade against Cinder and I just...can't. I *want* to because it's everything she needs to hear (her saying, "take what is mine" really is laughable at this point) but I can't get past the hypocrisy of it. Dude is helping Salem destroy the world because he's mad he didn't get first place in the science fair and he's calling other people entitled? For all that people want to complain that Cinder's backstory doesn't make her sympathetic, Watts has the weakest motivation for doing this out of all of them, including Mercury & Emerald. Watts says "worthy" and I can't not roll my eyes. I do appreciate that it's now very clear why they hate each other though. I didn't get what his problem was in Volume 4 when he was introduced.

[@KhaosAdmiral]

I like that scene because is it incredibly well performed and Watts pretty much didn't have much to do until really Volume 7 so seeing him actually do some things is actually pretty nice to see, also we don't know all the details of Watts' whole backstory as to what specifically drove him to join up with Salem.

[@RectPropagation]

@@KhaosAdmiral Oh, the voice actor absolutely killed in that scene. I appreciate that the tirade was well done and I get why a lot of people love it.

[@gregajarvisable]

Do you and Megan know that there are 3 episodes of helluva boss out now? Episode 2 is very wholesome and 3 has the VA for miraculous ladybug. Or if you've already watched them, nevermind. The reaction should be genuine, so fair enough 😅

[@blackvial]

I think those will need a commission for them to film a reaction.

[@ensanesane]

I didn't even know there was more than one wow. Is Hazbin Hotel still being made too?

[@blackvial]

@@ensanesane not sure about Hazbin Hotel, but for Helluva Boss there is the pilot episode and 3 others, with a 4th coming out soon.

[@TenebrousFilms]

Looks like Ironwood underestimated Robyn, again again. Great rooftop scene, partly because we've all been saying it for ages, mostly because of a pair of awesome performances. *they don't kiss* Cowards! (The writers, not the characters.) The cartoon villainy continues to escalate...

[@temptationspiper]

Katie where did you get your shirt, I kinda love it

[@Kiaxet]

It's a Critical Role shirt! It should be available to buy online, though I got mine from a local vendor.

[@temptationspiper]

@@Kiaxet Thanks Katie!

[@CrowXIII]

So, we all agree Ironwood is pretty much a death man walking, right? It's not even a matter of if he will be killed, only by whom. So, wanna bet?

[@douglasdaniel4504]

Good reaction. Love the tee-shirt.

[@fandomgaymertransgirl2.0]

I have a theory about Ironwood, but I don't want to say it just in case it ends up spoiling the rest of season eight.

[@grantharriman284]

Yang: reunites with Blake *and the Yuri fangirls(and boys) go wild*

[@Jordan-gp3mj]

If the people of Atlas accept this ultimatum, kill Ironwood and throw the WHOLE kingdom away.🙃

[@eagleangel5568]

Also Im scared cause marrow is still there there winter theres so I'm Hoping they both can get out of there or team rwby can get them out cause winter is in line of fire

[@alejo0828]

love the shirt

[@billsutherby]

Personally, I'm all for an Emerald redemption arc. But it needs to either end with her dying heroically to save the day or (after everything is done and settled) she needs to end up in prison for life. Her entire character history is her killing and robbing people or helping Salem and Cinder kill and rob people. And I simply don't believe in or agree with the concept of "a good deed cancels out a bad deed" or vice versa. Her helping now and turning face is great and all. But it doesn't bring back Pyrrha or all the others who died at Beacon. It doesn't bring back all the other people she's helped kill. Emerald could literally be the absolute savior who comes up with an idea to stop Salem and she herself is the one to carry out the plan and win it all for everybody; I'd thank her for her efforts and kindly show her to the prison cell that she will be living in the rest of her life.

[@crazy13alex]

I agree on most of that, except in your last scenario. The scales of people saved, The planet *then and forever* vs those who died in her 18 years of life? From which is implied that Emerald didn't resort to murder until after she met Cinder? With her semblance, it's doubtful Emerald ever had to kill even then. And what did she steal of significant worth really if she was still on the streets by the time she met Cinder? So life in prison, while justifiable from those who will never know the whole story, seems odd.

[@tobiasskorupa1649]

Why do so many people pin the death of Pyrrha on Emerald? Also, you don't believe people can truly change and Batman is apparently a super villain for you... that's what you wrote, once done a bad deed then you don't deserve a happy ending. "I'm all for an Emerald redemption arc." Yet the whole point of redemption is based on the "karma" system... How is "dying heroically" not a good deed? Your whole logic is contradicting! "I simply don't believe in or agree with the concept of "a good dead cancels out a bad deed" or vice versa." So, dying heroically is not a good deed and thus is not a redemption. Being in prison is also not a redemption, but justice. Execution is also not redemption if you're wondering... Redemption is doing good deeds, however you are saying they don't mean anything since Emerald did bad deeds, making redemption literally impossible with your logic. What you want is Justice, not Redemption. So you don't actually want an redemption arc for Emerald, but justice is your true desire you confused with redemption... because the whole point of redemption is to change as a person and you rather want Emerald in jail than change to a better person.

[@billsutherby]

@@tobiasskorupa1649 thanks for straw-manning all my arguments and misrepresenting my points. Really intelligent on your part. Now, sarcasm aside, I never said that committing one bad deed precludes a person from deserving a "happy ending". I said that committing a good act does not absolve one's guilt for the bad ones.

[@crazy13alex]

@@billsutherby Then you should look to my comment addressing Emerald's misdeeds. Because you DID blow it out of proportion. Especially with your last scenario.

[@fandomgaymertransgirl2.0]

I honestly don't like Neo. If I did, it was before she tried to kill Yang way back in volume 2.

[@eren34558]

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