RWS Characters That SHOULD'VE Been In The TVS: A Thomas & Friends Discussion

[@Caledon91]

Fans: "They should add Bear so we'd have another unique diesel character." TV Series: "Best we can do is more Class 08s."

[@TankEngine75]

I don't understand why nowadays most Diesels in CGI are just Shunters and not Bigger Diesels

[@Boypogikami132]

@@saltbombcreations8336 but that’s NOT BRITISH

[@TomwalkerStar27]

I can imagine, a thomas writer pitching a non-British train , and a bunch of guards screaming not british , run at him , and throwing him out a tall building's window.

[@NirateGoel]

@@saltbombcreations8336 Besides not being British have you seen the size difference between a SD40 and even a BR Cl 66. The former is massive in comparison. Even compared to the the broad gauge Irish 201s their massive.

[@osakatales9228]

@@saltbombcreations8336 Sorry bud, but if your ocs are all US locomotives logically it wouldn't be able to run on British loading guage to the size. Think of a Pennsylvania Railroad K4 or Big Boy on its loading guage, it'll literally make the tracks extinct. A big issue would be that there are overpasses and tunnels that don't have clearance for the larger American locomotives.

[@jaredfranco10]

Culdee Fell was mentioned a couple of times in the narrow gauge episodes especially in season 10's A Smooth Ride.

[@zoombini1831]

It also appears in TV series maps

[@MTeaTaku]

I feel like Pip and Emma would have been two good characters to adapt into the tv series since they would really show off the modern passenger engines that are around today.

[@UnsafestPony81]

Same! Mostly because I love Class 43's and the Intercity livery as a whole. XD

[@knuckles1206]

not really, the HSTs are really old now

[@ThanhNguyen-uj6gc]

I personally think pip and ema would be in the final few seasons or an epilogue series but, it respect you opinion.

[@UnsafestPony81]

@@knuckles1206 Yeah, I guess old now in 2021. But in the year of the show's timeline, they still fit...Well, classic series at least. It seems from what I've seen in the new series they have cars that can fly. XD

[@MTeaTaku]

@@UnsafestPony81 Yep, they do XD

[@KadesKove]

I click on this video and literally the first thing I hear is "C R I M I N A L"... *I see you are not just a man of culture, but a KING of culture*

[@ruckus9900]

Well thats a comment I haven't seen before.

[@DanielJacksonMusic]

Fucking FNaF again lol

[@GayCheesetuber]

I know riiiight

[@matthewbaird3970]

A super rescue episode would be so good! How did no one think of that.

[@OfficiallyOliverWalker]

Wow I never realised how many characters weren’t in the tv show

[@Scrinwaipwr]

There are plenty more besides the ones mentioned in this video too. I would recommend reading or listening to The Railway Series. A lot of it is here on KZbin.

[@trainmaster36productions]

when you realize that the reason the TVS made so many characters was because then they could try and get the 80 engines the Rev. mentioned worked on The North Western.

[@NirateGoel]

Whishful thinking. It's so they can sell more toys and put less effort into writing stories with existing characters.

[@harrisonallen651]

I feel like the toy companies were trying to encourage Britt Allcroft, HIT and Mattel to try and get these RWS Exclusive characters into the tv series. Either being just one offs or having full potential.

[@joaxg7371]

Bear being added would be a great change considering he instead of just being friendly to the steam engines but he actually admires and looks up to them

[@SodorStudiosAndCoProductions]

3:50 "As there's been so many toys of this guy" Ah yes *2* Much more than what I can count

[@CabCarCaden]

😂

[@cakeeatingcat9462]

Thats just how much a person working at Valve can count

[@discontinuedchannel5683]

@thomas productions HD r/whoosh

[@Kuriboh1008]

@@cakeeatingcat9462 DAMN

[@lonesailordee3886]

Can we just appreciate that intro? 🤘🤘🤘

[@CJstudiosfuntime]

I am upset they didn’t adapt the best and most compelling character, that being “the sodor railway repair” aka the yellow guy from “Ballast”

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

I'm disappointed too. I even have the wooden railway toy of that!

[@CJstudiosfuntime]

@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis SAME

[@Ninja11125]

Yeah

[@donaldthescotishtwin]

I still remember as a kid desperately trying to find the Culdee fell episodes. Before learning they never adapted them for TV.

[@daniel-san-augh]

To be serious for a sec, I agree with your whole list. I think just about everyone you’ve mentioned would have made great tvs characters, especially bear

[@Jade2781]

Dude the start gave me a heart attack. If you didn't know, the CRIMINAL comes from a Five Nights at Freddy's inspired VHS series that's really gorey and dark.

[@nossta5242]

YEAH SAME I HATE THAT VHS GUY

[@amymurphy6526]

@@nossta5242 why do you have squimpus?

[@wakspacific6928]

Never thought to see a Squimpus reference in a Thomas video.

[@the9thsymphony900]

Squimpish mcdwimish I believe is his name

[@nossta5242]

@@amymurphy6526 what does that mean

[@ToQ_Ichigo]

I would’ve wanted Jock and Fred in the CGI series since we already got the smallies in it. I also would’ve wanted to see a flashback episode for how Toby got to Sodor.

[@Dat-Mudkip]

Honestly, I would really like to see the Classic series reimagined and reintroduced in a manner like "The Adventure Begins".

[@Scott_3F]

Yeah I think they should’ve introduced jinty because one he’s my boi and two because I feel like he could’ve been like a “Rosie”

[@guarddog0079]

I have a feeling that if Gorden Goes Foreign was adapted at some point during or after season 7, Spencer would be in the place of the Big City Engine

[@Dogzy1980]

Yes

[@gingergeordiejames]

The problem with this idea is that Spencer and Gordon - both of whom were built in Doncaster to run on the East Coast Main Line - would agree that London is King's Cross.

[@Ninja11125]

It was gonna be adapted in s2

[@AuChoco]

Another quality video from our favourite train boy

[@ItsTrainBoy]

Thank you so much man! :)

[@tempertantrum6464]

I think that a lot of these characters should have been added permanently to the TVS in the Hit era, they'd have been much more memorable than the countless one offs that most fans either hate or ignore.

[@retroroy8720]

I honestly think Season 5 was supposed to introduce the Culdee Fell railway, given the fact that Culdee was featured in an unusual amount of merch throughout the late 90's (some with Shining Time branding no less) and the Narrow Gauge railways seemed a lot more mountainous in S5, making me think those sets were originally meant to be Culdee Fell. Since Season 4 introduced the Skarloey and Mid-Sodor Railways, introducing Culdee Fell in Season 5 would've made sense as a followup. When Allcroft and Awdry had their falling out, it probably prevented that from happening.

[@andrewscolari5724]

I agree with all the characters you mentioned. I've also discovered an episode form the classic series that I think you could do a video on. It's called Emily and the Special Coaches. In it Gordon has set a new record and Sir Topham Hatt has two express coaches painted in a blue livery with red and yellow stripes to present to Gordon as a reward and asks Emily to pick them and deliver them to the station where the ceremony is take place. On the way Emily meets Diesel who says that there is another record on Sodor, but Emily rudely dismisses him calling him a smelly old diesel. This actually hurts Diesel's feelings and whenever Diesel tries to talk to Emily, she just brushes him off. Finally Diesel winds up stealing the special coaches, telling Thomas that he was the one to pick up and deliver the coaches. Emily then goes to fetch STH who gets aboard Emily and they manage to track down Diesel whose engine is nearly failed due to it being old. When confronted Diesel says he left the coaches on a siding and will only tell Emily the exact location if she will listen to what diesel was trying to say. It turns out Diesel also set a record for the most freight cars shunted in one day. Emily then feels bad, but then gets an idea which she tells STH who agrees. As Gordon is presented with his special coaches, Diesel is presented with a new engine to replace his old one. It is the first Thomas episode where Diesel's character is given more depth, and shows how he can be more than just an antagonistic bully who picks on the steam engines and gets into trouble

[@dalekinthewater4708]

I have a fairly good idea for a "Bear" episode- Bear pulls the flying kipper when Henry is at the works

[@anneexoskin2287]

Honorable mention: the thirteenth engine. He’s also in the railway series as he helps with Donald and Douglas in the mainland. Though he is very unlucky, adding him to the show would make a more dynamic character for Donald and Douglas

[@garrettwhitaker2517]

3:52 he was going to be in season four so was Molly behind the scene pictures also show that there were two austerity tank enginn meaning that 16 was also going to be in as well

[@Dat-Mudkip]

3:45 SWEET SODOR WHAT IS THAT!!? (Seriously, I'd never seen that before. And I thought that Thomas piggybank abomination was bad...)

[@greatwesterngaming7956]

intro: *Criminal, criminal, criminal* me: PURPLE GUY!?

[@TomsRetroGames]

I reckon Britt Alcroft was going to plan to adapt more of these characters if she didn’t leave her company.

[@Ninja11125]

Agree

[@flowerfrombfdi]

*whispers* fuck you magic railroad!

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

I love Bear's expression as he's looking at the other diesel; "What's his problem?"

[@tiger-ym7ln]

yeah I'd love to see them in models form

[@CassandraPantaristi]

There was one Twitter user who made a model of Culdee. I forget the Twitter user's name though.

[@CanOBeans__]

@@CassandraPantaristi I believe the person your talking about is @SkarloeyBoi (Or Arlo)

[@CassandraPantaristi]

@@CanOBeans__ Oooh yeah. Just looked him up. I thought I pressed "follow", but forgot.

[@BunkerChapa08]

The Culdee mountain engine were going to be adopted to the television series with the narrow gauge railway, which is why in the hit era, narrow gauge engines are referred as the engines in the hills

[@Ninja11125]

No

[@JulianTrainKidProductions]

Iron Duke: *”Am I a joke to you?”*

[@TheThomasCynic]

CFR Engines: I disagree, actually. The only RWS book they are featured in was very obviously written as a one-off (even supposed to be as such by Chris Awdry), and although it would be "cool" to have them in the TVS, I think a lot more setup would be necessary before these guys got into the show. It's also worth noting that every episode involving them having some connection to our main characters (Granpuff style) would get old FAST, and would also become harder to do, unlike the SKR engines who can interact with our main cast at Crovan's Gate and a few other places in the HiT era as well. It would be cool for a time, but I think they'd come and go as quickly as the likes of Bertram - an interesting oddity. The Big City Engine: Yes, absolutely. It would be interesting to see him interact with Gordon and also Murdoch would be cool. He could fulfil a role where Spencer wouldn't quite work. I'm always eagerto see mainland engines more in the show, but he would work best as a minor character, maybe occasionally with an episode as a secondary. Jinty and Pug: Mayyyybbbeeee. I'm gonna get hated for this, but again, they did what they needed to and then left. They don't have the cool design of the Big City Engine to back themselves up, but if the writers could come up with some good and distinct personalities for them, I would take it. Wilbert/Sixteen: YES. Out of all the characters on your list, I find these two to be the best picks. I actually think Sixteen would be a strong villain character, and Wilbert was pretty strong in his introductory book, and I think he could be used somewhat like Stepney - he could appear in adaptations of his book, and then appear sometimes as a character with a smaller role. I think he would be the perfect character to experiment with some interesting moral ideas. He's an austerity engine, and it would be cool to see episodes featuring him wondering how he can be different and not just be a cheap model churned out like all the others. I AM SO DOWN FOR THIS. Bear: Yes, I think I'd agree with this. I'd love to see a Super Rescue adaptation in CGI, and this would be a good intro for Bear. He would work well as long as they experimented well with his dynamics, and made sure he wasn't a Boco mark two - loved, but ultimately thrown under the bus because he doesn't have a jazzy personality or some stupidly colourful design. Jock: Hmmmmyeah... I'd like to see this, but only if we got a few things first. Firstly, more setup with the smallies. We would need more time to cement their dynamics and traits and then drop Jock and Frank into the mix. I would say Jock would fit quite well in a Season 3 kind of story, and I think there are characters I would adapt first. Speaking of: I'd love to see Toby's Brothers, it would create interesting opportunities for our favourite tram that we haven't seen in a long time. Other picks include the Ministry of Defence engine, and maybe Victoria as well (or bring back Old Slow Coach like I suggested in my latest video). Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[@Closet__Dweller]

0:43 james:👁👁

[@redkennytweak]

Joke: *Budget: Am I A Joke To You*

[@stephenkicinski6776]

Loved the video! I haven't really thought about Jock. Since I don't have the story that he's in.

[@rantroller1662]

I'm glad that you put Jinty and Pug on the list. They look like they could have been really interesting characters if they were actually introduced into the TV series.

[@the700shunter8]

An interesting choice of characters. I would have liked to see Adams the Adams Radial Tank in the series (a bit of a weird choice) but the reason being that I would find it a great way to have more character development with the the Great Western Engines Duck and Oliver as the LSWR and GWR had a massive rivalry during the pre-grouping days and it would be interesting to see how each character would act accordingly as to which railway is better. Maybe Adams is a visiting engine or something but he would be my weird choice. Excellent video though, I thoroughly enjoyed it

[@louisvanpanhuis6192]

2:50 uhhhh Bowler? (i wish they wouldve used him more often tho)

[@SilverKnight925]

Honestly, all these engines, including D199 and Frank would've made great inclusions to the show entirely. Maybe for a new video, you can do a Top 10 list on RWS stories you've found interesting; that could've been included in the actual show.

[@Ninja11125]

Yes

[@ajorsomething4935]

Thing about the culdee fell is it didn't have much presence in the railway series. Also, mountain railways have a lot of safety protocalls due to their danger, and given a lot of thomas and friends stories involve some sort of incident it would be very hard to justify having them when very few stories could be made with them.

[@matthewpowell2429]

I 100% agree with your choices. The Mountain Engines would've helped with the problem of leaving out the Peel Godred Branch, the Big City Engine (Randolph as named by Victor Tanzig) would've made a great rival for Gordon, the events of Thomas and the Letter weren't right without Jinty (Justin) and Pug (Paul) to show the existence of British Railways, Wilbert would've made a great symbol to Awdry in the TV Series, Bear was a favorite Diesel character of mine who was immediately on the steam engines' side without a story arc needed, and the Arlesdale Railway just isn't the same without Jock or the other little engines in the picture.

[@yfr7759]

"They Couldn't afford to make an entirely new engine just for one episode" *Looks at D261*

[@TheihopScreenColorJanyboiman]

And Derek

[@thiruraj3866]

A lot of characters deserve to be in the TV show

[@AbbeyYard]

3:37 Oliver (With Duck's chassis) and Bill.

[@Sammie_Sorrelly]

I'd love if they'd done Old Stuck-Up. That one illustration of him smashing through the back wall of the shed is my favourite.

[@stfuyoutube423]

all they'd need to do is repaint class 40's model

[@xanderw7930]

Intro: *C R I M I N A L* Me: *PANICS IN TERRIFYING FLASHBACKS*

[@Drockthe3rd]

0:21 is cursed Plus I agree with you, and there's more that I want, but I'm not going to name them

[@jacksyoutubechannel3290]

I know this is unrelated but does anyone else think Bachman should make an old shape Henry?

[@NirateGoel]

Defo, be good to have a model series looking Henry pre rebuild.

[@SteamTrainTy]

here are the engines that I would love to see in the classic series: the Culdee/mountain engines, Jinty & Pug and of course, my personal favorite, Wilbert.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

1:12 Wait the railway repair thing was a charcter? i thought it was just a random toy that was marketed as a wooden railway exclusive but then again i only ever grew up with the TVS

[@alexwinandy4792]

I agree with all of your and my others are Neil, Frank, Tallylyn, Dollgoch, Albert, Victoria, Helena, and Pip and Emma.

[@Johnny_64]

Mountain Engines had so much hope after the Small Railway made its debut. Always felt they were a staple for the show given the amount of merch Culdee Godred and Lord Harry were given.

[@raspbvry]

Honestly I agree with all of your choices because they are amazing and great characters to be put in the classic series and maybe the cgi series but that opportunity was just missed so sad. In my opinion I would also add Ivo Hugh but thats just because I want a narrow gauge engine representative so yeah :)

[@danthebluetank6636]

Haven’t even finished the video as I’m vibing to “Criminal” A man of culture :)

[@PHsRailwayVideos]

'The engine was left there.' He was sent to a heritage railway in the Midlands! (the Dean FOREST perhaps?)

[@ExtoFunny]

I agree with jinty, pug and bear

[@thebruno64]

4:20 actually, the engine is let back up, but he isnt fixed.

[@nderp7727]

420 nice ;)

[@mudkipzforever9512]

Stanley: I'm a meme in the fandom! The over Stanley: I'm a generator!

[@wdecently7150]

There's an alternate universe where the TV model series stuck directly to the Railway Series books, in order, to a tee.

[@CassandraPantaristi]

Where they never transition into CGI either. They're still using models to this very day.

[@JakeStaffin]

Super Rescue is honestly the BEST RWS story, it would have been great to adapt so we could get Bear as a new friendly diesel with D199 as a recurring "villain" so all the burden isn't put on Diesel and D261. And considering the RWS went on until 2011, other stories from the RWS should have been adapted into the TV series. Small Railway Engines is cool to have in the TV series, but more should have come as well. Mountain Engines could EASILY have gone into the CGI series.

[@Woodenfan]

I think Very Old Engines would've been great to adapt too, gives Skarloey and Rheneas more to do

[@CassandraPantaristi]

They should've adapted Gordon's arc into the TV series. Where he's arrogant and haughty in the beginning, but in the end gives up the express to the HST.

[@WiiMan25]

I had the ERTL toys of the Culdee Fell Engines as a kid, and I was so mystified as to who these guys were and wondered why I hadn't seen them in the show yet. Then I actually read RWS' Mountain Engines, and wished it had been made in the show. Shame that it never has to this day. I also wondered why they made a toy of Godred if his only mention in the book was of him getting scrapped.

[@alexis_ian]

It would be neet to see Frank and Jock in the CGI series same with the Culdee Mountain Railway Engines!

[@prestontrains2174]

I wish me saw more of neil and the sodor mainland crew it would have been nice to see them in a episode were skarloye tells the other engines how he came to be on the skarloye railway or maybe an episode about how edward and thomas arrived featuring neil

[@Matts_Creations]

1. Culdee and Jock could appear in CGI now. 2. B.C.E. was bound to be a henry model but was canceled. 3. Pug could have been a new model of Bill or Ben. Jinty could have been a model of Oliver or Thomas with Thomas's Chassis. 4. Bear,16, and Wilbert couldn't probably work due to budget cuts.

[@marqmateogt7928]

I wish all trains have faces

[@bladeobrian2144]

Here are my thoughts, The Mountain Engines definitely should be on the show, and it’s a shame Brenner never got to introduce them during his tenure (thanks Mattel!). It’s understandable why they wouldn’t have been in the model series since they’d admittedly be difficult to depict in that format. The CGI adaptation of the Arlesdale Engines was excellent and it’s a shame the Culdee Fell engines never got the same treatment. D199 and Bear would be good, Calling All Engines would’ve been a great time to introduce them! Wilbur and 16 would’ve been super easy to do in model form. Big City Engine would’ve been fine, but one reason that episode was cancelled, is because Britt didn’t think kids would get the joke/reference that the story builds up to, which is understandable. Funny, I actually had the ERTL toys of Godred, D199, Wilbert, and 16 as a kid, and I often wondered why I never saw them on any of my Thomas VHS tapes...,

[@TheGoosMan]

"criminal" holy crap that just brought back a fnaf lost tape that I whatched

[@TheSudrianStoryteller]

I 💯fully agree with ALL of the characters mentioned that should have made it into the series.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Will ya please do the real stories of toad stands by, you can’t win, a close shave for duck, duck takes charge, diesel devious deed, rusty helps Peter-Sam, and more stories, too?

[@lowy3001]

Great video!! Just pointing out its blinkers, not blinders. In the UK blinkers are smoke deflectors

[@sethbricked]

I’ve always wanted to see the stories from Christopher awdry’s book “Thomas and the great railway show be adapted into the TVS

[@RailFoxMedia]

That intro though lol

[@zoombini1831]

Damn you really hittin us with the c r i m i n a l remix

[@TZCollectsStuff]

I find it funny that the Sodor Railway Repair was made in the wooden railway line, despite being in literally one single illustration.😅

[@JustTomYTreckless]

0:55 if you think that mr is having "you know what" well your mind is dirty now I'm gonna clean mine now

[@daniel-san-augh]

Criminal type beats I see

[@SSkat4069]

Eyy the “criminal... criminal....” thing from squimpus mquimpus. I saw that guy

[@GreatWestern11]

Nice work! I’d say the Sodor railway repair should’ve been in the series. Since what ThomasWoodenRailway did with him.

[@parker-boy98]

Awdry would've been a funny addition, since he's an engine with W. Awdry's face.

[@TheMidnightGhostg0000]

I would love if they mentioned the Flying Scottsman in someway along with mentioning the Culdee fell railway engines, etc

[@1_railfan]

Good thing I make my series a mixture of RWS & TVS. I wish Pip & Emma also joined the series too.

[@flameusprime5332]

Fun Fact the Culdee fell railway was mentioned twice in the TV series.

[@roberttreacy8271]

The Big City Engine looks a lot like Murdoch.

[@farmboy64]

The criminal criminal criminal at the start got me I thought I was watching something else

[@sodorpro]

Out of all the characters I wish the CFR engines would have appeared, given the fact that they are cannon in the show, as the railway is on the TV series map, and it has been confirmed that SKR controller, Mr. Percivel, is their controller. Plus right until 2015 they were still making Culdee merch.

[@marvelmasteranthony5130]

Big city engine did appear in 1 episode of the animated thomas

[@SrMechaGojira93]

*STILL* wish Bear, Jock and Frank made it in! 😭💔 And *I wish* Elizabeth and the rest of the Pack returned!!! 😭💔

[@Ninja11125]

Yes

[@sparkstechnology]

4:07 you say Dean River railway. Its the Dean Forest Railway.

[@the9thsymphony900]

You should make a tv characters that should’ve been included in the rws

[@AndreiTupolev]

You know, the Culdee Fell engines prompted a thought: all the engines (apart from them) have faces just on the smokebox. So they must be turned at the end of every run (except when Thomas is working in push-pull mode with Annie & Claribel). (Apart from that incident with Gordon that time.) You never see Percy or Duck, or even Bill & Ben, running bunker-first do you. Something worth thinking about there. 🤔

[@PHsRailwayVideos]

Dean Forest railway, not Dean River. Also, I'd absolutely love to see Neil. He could have a lovely character dynamic with Glyn and Stephen.

[@zippingcruises7712]

You should do a reverse version of this video, characters that I think that would fit well into the rws

[@reebwar64]

The first part of the video the audio i think from fnaf tape thing the toy bonnie test.

[@clayton_rose]

Everyone. In my fanon it focuses on the unseen and unadapted stories and introduces little new characters and the background/secondary would be the engines who didn’t make it to cgi.

[@undead4058]

The beginning be like facial recognition testing

[@wallygator92]

I had a Godred toy when I was a kid and I thought he was just from an episode that I had never seen!

[@whisperingwaterfall01]

I'd loved to see Pip & Emma, Neil and Bear.

[@ryleeculla5570]

Henrietta Annie and clearable are the most underrated characters of the franchise

[@dallasgibson7578]

I remember having original take n play models of the mountain engines, I'd watch every episode as a kid trying to spot them but could never find them, I'm curious as to why they made toys of models kids weren't really familiar with. anyway, great video man, I'm currently making a HO lady