Ryan Holiday of Daily Stoic on the Fascinating Life of Marcus Aurelius

[@JaketheJust]

The fact that Marcus Aurelius, the most powerful man in the world could write a book that the most common Roman citizen could relate to speaks volume to his character

[@Bob-qq4is]

I mean any leader who writes about their own personal psyche will be relatable to the average Joe since everyone has a similar psyche? Is it really that surprising

[@ronweasel4733]

How is he powerful

[@Nospoon53189]

@@Bob-qq4is You think my psyche is similar to yours? Friend, you still have more growing to do.

[@Bob-qq4is]

@@Nospoon53189 I mean ya write about the stuff you go through and problems you face and I guarantee you millions of people will be able to relate. The fact that a common citizen can relate to the most powerful person in the world isn’t surprising at all they’re both human and humans have a lot of similarities psychologically due to being the same species

[@hk-1290]

except for invading northern Europe

[@mr.e4381]

“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this and you will find strength.” -Marcus Aurelius

[@atanasfit]

Very well said!

[@Mercutio1984]

I dont get it

[@diggie9598]

@@Mercutio1984 Go ahead and read Marcus Aurelius. Then you'll very likely get it.

[@darrentimms8865]

@@Mercutio1984 lol FFS

[@kickassclarke]

@@Mercutio1984 basically "the people that can say 'it is what it is' and carry on with what's necessary are the strongest people."

[@docholliday7226]

Guest "If I'm nerding out...." Joe "No, please go" And this little thing right here is what makes Joe's interviews so good.

[@danieljohnson2005]

That’s absolutely correct. Most hosts try to keep the guest on a path they want, whereas Joe usually just lets them find the path.

[@British-Dragon-Simulations]

There's so many examples of bad interviewing techniques on KZbin where they speak over and finish the sentence of the person they are talking to. Joe just let's them nerd out which is great for us.

[@ironheadedDoF]

@@British-Dragon-Simulations Yes I agree. I heckle on Timcast for BeanieMan to let his GUESTS talk. That is why i tune in: the guests shape the show. Joe knows this! Johnny Carson knew this.

[@ironheadedDoF]

@@British-Dragon-Simulations Oh i dont know if it's up to "narcissisism" and other psychological factors. I wont go that far when i can say.. it's a difference of style about "my house my show my rules" philosophy. It is a Power Play to try to finish other's sentences. Joe's Power is having looooong running podcast, doing things that achieve it. Joe entertains me. His guests entertain and engage my mind. Tim is firm-in-Boss role. I dont think it's a permanent condition and he can learn and get better.

[@marcusgibson5314]

@@British-Dragon-Simulations your one of those people who gets all their pschology knowlege from quara

[@seasonallyaffected9306]

This is the kind of legacy you'd want to leave behind. Here we are, thousands of years after this man's death, adoring him further.

[@wadecampbell6319]

Admonishing? Wrong word bro

[@seasonallyaffected9306]

@@wadecampbell6319 fixed? And thank you

[@terryhalsteadgamer]

@@wadecampbell6319 Be more helpful maybe?

[@marcobarrueta3409]

@@rahatahmed6188 that's why no one will remember your name

[@BrassThief]

He who has a vehement desire for posthumous fame does not consider that every one of those who remember him will themselves also die very soon; then again also they who have succeeded them, until the whole remembrance shall have been extinguished as it is transmitted through men who foolishly admire and perish.

[@kcm489]

I started reading stoicism in high school to help me cope with anxiety. It was the first step that led me to curing myself almost completely. It changed my mindset to the point where I hardly recognize my past self.

[@alexurbanchek7679]

my man!

[@swordarmstudios6052]

Same. I read Stocism a long time ago, but I've internalized alot of the ideas during the Pandemic. It's a really simple set of ideas, but you need to internalize them. The ideas about 'minding your thoughts' are especially important. Much of our suffering as a species is just anxiety over the future and melancholy about the past. Just letting those things go emotionally is liberating at a level that many people really don't appreciate. That doesn't mean you ignore the future, or the past. You need to plan for the future and you need to learn from the past. But you can do that without the emotional baggage. You don't need to ruminate. I simply choose not to ruminate. That alone has done wonders for my well being.

[@HoosierHacker]

Wow for real? Why did it do that?

[@Freiheit1232]

Yep it's definitely for high schoolers.

[@nicholashelton2940]

That’s a huge accomplishment! ✊🏻

[@brianhartman7135]

Imagine having having all the power one could ever want, literally anything at a the tip of your finger and he chose self control, patience and personal growth. Marcus Aurelius is truly one of a kind.

[@JosephusAurelius]

Nice quote from Michael Sugrue haha

[@McKurdi]

Possibly the greatest human being ever lived

[@davidmontoya6672]

Thank you for the comment it motivates one and puts things into perspective

[@brianhartman7135]

Yes, I learned from him as well. Michael Sugrue was not the only one to believe Marcus Aurelius was the only true good emperor. Remember, there are more sources that KZbin. @@JosephusAurelius

[@bwnco]

Which is what makes a man so great of course or being a former slave like Epictetus yeah loving and telling people how to live their life yeah blows me away

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." -Marcus Aurelius

[@eh7602]

What's the point of writing these quotes? The entire book is literally mindblowing in every passage.

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

@@eh7602 Friend, seriously? You think that everyone is familiar with Stoicism or his book? The reading of quotes often leads to the reading of books. All the best!

[@eh7602]

@@Belief_Before_Glory I'm sorry friend, I guess I was a bit cranky when I wrote that comment. You are absolutely right, I was just trying to say that there are so many worthwhile quotes in Meditations that I wouldn't know which one made me the most impact.

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

@@eh7602 No problem, friend; I understand. I've had my fair share of days where I was cranky 😊 And you're right about his book, it's a veritable treasure trove of wisdom. It's good to see that there's a revival of Stoicism lately. All the best!✨

[@mkf628]

"Find your safe space and gender pronouns" Modern Philosopher 2023

[@atrichatterjee2008]

It’s a sad state of affairs that a student at 19 in a western country was not taught about Marcus Aurelius and stumbled upon one of the greatest heritage of the western civilization.

[@ashtheviking5007]

It's better to count it a blessing - everything in it's time, so to speak. To never read it at all would be a tragedy.

[@willou901]

Most aren’t really receptive to learning such things before that age.

[@knerf999]

I learned about it age 33😢

[@RishPanjeetJr]

I’m a HS teacher and my kids know their Marcus Aurelius.

[@knerf999]

@@RishPanjeetJr do they like it?

[@abulkosim]

“Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself, in your way of thinking.” - Marcus Aurelius. I strongly recommend reading the whole book!

[@chadsknnr]

Very similar to Buddhist teachings. Fascinating . . . .

[@chrisrolnaldo1221]

What's the book called?

[@chadsknnr]

@@chrisrolnaldo1221 He is probably referring to "Meditations", as is the guest . . . .

[@chrisrolnaldo1221]

@@chadsknnr just making sure I got the right book title! Appreciate it

[@harambe8372]

Any specific edition/translation that is recommended?

[@carl5381]

my favorite messaging of the book was him describing himself sitting in his chair, watching the business go by in the palace, where there were non-stop ass kissers, adulterers, sexual deviants all out for themselves wasting their lives away while theres this colorful and rich nature happening outside and nobody ever stops to listen to it. He was literally the smartest man in the room most of the time.

[@carl3459]

Well said, Carl.

[@richardsantanna5398]

Hmm

[@NicoleA.C.-PhD.]

Ecclesiastes 1:18

[@joethekinghawk7514]

Marcus Aurelius had to turn to his philosophy due too the tumultuous events of his time, two wars (Parthia and Germania) a brutal plague, and betrayal by his wife Fastina and general Avudious Cassius. Marcus is the last of five so-called good emperor of Rome.

[@your-username-here2308]

Sexuality is natural. Its like saying you are not happy because you dont share my exact same View. And claiming you cannot see the Beauty of Nature around you. ""all out for themselves wasting their lives away"" People can say and claim the same think about anyone, even Marcus. Your logic is flawed.

[@samuelrobertson2903]

So happy to see stoicism get some publicity. The world would be a better place if more people read philosophy.

[@makiska8440]

Read every philosopher from Ancient Greece, The psilosopher that created the Stoic school of thought is Epictitus. Its so sad that very phew people besides the Greeks , speak or understand greek because there are so many thing lost in translation.This applys to everything that is translated from its mother language to another.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Elon Musk is markis and his son is Comedus

[@runek100]

@@makiska8440 I mean, Romans recognized greece as pinicle of philosophy, so we have a lot of work from them.

[@ZYX84]

100% concur. 🪁 Psychology equals philosophy. If you can understand the concepts of the greats and what was in their depths of their soul, I believe ALL psychologist would be out of business. 🤡. Teach your children with compassion.🪁 Compassion… Passion..Passionate.. powerful words 🪁 Teach them very young I’m talking between the ages of one and four, to be kind first and then be clever.🪁

[@chrisasterion5050]

Epictetus was the original....

[@darlenepassons72]

I have had 'The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius' in my library for many,many years. Found it at my public library at age 17 and took the bus into town each time I had to renew my taking it out. He was the perfect example of a man, strong and deeply spiritual. A true treasure to us all. It was years before I found another in Viktor Frankle. He too, took my heart and mind to places I never new existed. All teens should have these two men's books in their summer reading program.

[@WaveformV1.0]

Is this whom you speak kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWXYcqaMq9mkf7Msi=OPXvgaIs-1Eus7su ?

[@michaeljamespitt8728]

Aurelius is one of the most legendary men ever to exist.

[@virgnthermostat5928]

And he never cared to be famous or have his journal read.

[@theoneabove14]

Always praising the greeks but not their neighbours who contributed alot of good things also. The

[@bloatedsodium7301]

Joey Diaz >

[@runek100]

So, he was maybe one of the first sigma males?

[@KL1ST1ER]

*Rogan

[@daveknight3940]

"I think they're busy", is the most honest, and probably correct, answer he could have given.

[@MusixPro4u]

Still doesn't explain a psychopathic child.

[@wajihbec1087]

it makes a lot of sense.

[@bud389]

Maybe if they made time to be better fathers they wouldn't have had to of been so busy in the first place. A child isn't just something that you make and then you're done with it. A child is your legacy, not your "work". It's why Gandhi and Churchill are remembered as being of their time, while Trump's name has been living on throughout over a century, and will continue to with Trump Jr.

[@veraf7315]

Agreed. For me, Elon Musk immediately came to mind. If Musk works even half as much as he claims, I don't see how he has time for fathering his many children with multiple women. I guess we'll see how they turn out.

[@okaywhat11]

@@bud389 interesting view

[@stephengehly2319]

Marcus Aurelius does sound modern. His ideas are modern. He was definitely a guy that was very present and understood reality on a different level than a lot of people. Can’t recommend reading meditations enough. “Don’t argue over what it means to be a good man. Just be one”

[@runek100]

They were modern, we use their civil law till today. They had slaves yeah, but we have everything pretty much the same. Contracts, obligations, divorce. The list go on and on.

[@uncleted9362]

They’re not modern. They’re ancient, even more so than Marcus Aurelius himself. He speaks to the human experience that is constant across epochs.

[@olfrud]

sorry, saying his ideas are modern is trash. the world of people in his age was nothing like ours or of the modern age. there was no industrialization, there was no idea of authenticity or individualism, there were no social media. no electricity etc. his life was completely different to ours.

[@mamaharumi]

​​@@olfrud What? My man, people 2000 years ago were not _that_ different than people of today. Technology and industrialization changed a lot about society but not in the way you're describing. It hasn't been long enough. It seems to me your sense of time, from the standpoint of history and culture, is off.

[@FrenchCanadianGuy]

@@mamaharumi thinking the same as you

[@JTinchristalone]

Favourite quote of Marcus Aurelius for this generation....and oh how we need it.... ‘let men see, let them know, a real man, who lives as he was meant to live.’

[@PrateekLala]

Also: "Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one."

[@stevenwillard9754]

That quote is so useless

[@abyssusnox]

​@@stevenwillard9754 the irony is, your comment is much more useless

[@jeanfourcade]

Empty, pompous nonsense 😅. You coulda picked so many meaningful, applicable quotes.

[@lisaharter1418]

Such as...? Why comment that far, and then no further? Be productive rather than destructive!

[@CourageousMind247]

I named my son Marcus after Marcus Aurelius. I could've gone with a Spanish/Portuguese name had I consulted our heritage and roots. Yet I was so inspired by Marcus' literary work that I felt it would permeate my sons thinking once he grew up to also read his work. My son is 17 and I couldn't be any prouder of his stoic approach to life.

[@redsnflr]

Marcus' Aurelius ancestry originally came from Spain (paternal grandfather was a Senator from a Spanish province - marrying into Roman nobility) so there is that link.

[@CourageousMind247]

@@redsnflr that is a great piece of history I did not know! Thank you for sharing that with me.

[@2011wdb]

@@CourageousMind247 Marcus is quite common in Spain in some provinces who are not into the Castillan variant Marcos, so it will look nice Marcus Padilla, btw yes, Marcus as some others emperors were from noble families from Iberia, actually Iberia was one of the most important and influential regions of the Empire.

[@MarcusT86]

Guess what my name is, too. And I'm just an average Welsh man in Wales.

[@CourageousMind247]

@Bon Goaie way off topic, sir. 👎 gtfoh

[@GiampietroDiSanto]

I'm Italian and they made me read and translate (parts of) Meditations in high school (classical studies kind of school). Well, back then I didn't find it as great as I was told it would be. But I picked it up again later in life and I was amazed. So I realized that you have to be kinda ready, well disposed to the depth of thought you're going to be through. In other words, there's a time in your life where you're more inclined to it. I was not ready at 17 while I was instead at 35. Because in the time between the two readings a lot had happened in my life that had vastly broadened my comprehension of the world and the layers and nuances that make it up.

[@Adamski727]

Hi, I can really relate to that. You have vastly different ability to understand things like this when you have life experiences behind you. I have to read this now. Ciao!

[@dabtican4953]

One bad thing about literature in school is not reading the whole book from cover to cover and then beginning to write essays about the book. In my school the students were told to read a chapter and then we'd have to write about it and stuff. Luckily I already read the book like a year before so I digested it the way the writer wanted. Books are meant to be read from cover to cover first in my opinion (especially with fiction) and that seems to be what didn't happen with you, you read and translated parts of it but not reading it first. Luckily you went back to it and read it how it should be read.

[@GiampietroDiSanto]

@@dabtican4953 I'll give you some context. In my kind of school, when they made us translate Marcus Aurelius the intent was just linguistic: it was a technical translation exercise from classical Greek into Italian. Since a great part of original, available sources in Greek are philosophers, it often happened to deal with Aristotle, Plato and so on. Same thing with historians: I had to translate a great deal of Xenophon or Plutarch (way easier to translate than philosophers). They very seldom gave us poets or tragedians like Aeschylus or Sophocles (too hard to translate for unexperienced students). So the purpose was just to see the grammar we were taught about put into practice. At the same time though, we had philosophy and history lessons that gave us the philosophical context of those excerpts, the general thought landscape and actual historical events that made up the environment the texts we were translating were written into. Still, when you're a teenager you find it hard to really appreciate what you're reading sometimes, you simply don't have the tools to really understand some human dynamics only life and time can give you. In other words: are there 17-year-old students who really understand and appreciate Dostoevskij, for example? Very few 😀😉

[@GiampietroDiSanto]

@@Adamski727 Yes, you definitely have to 🙂

[@dabtican4953]

@@GiampietroDiSanto Ah I did my Spanish speaking test about Crime and Punishment, my Spanish teacher also read it and liked it, probably why Spanish is the only subject I got an A* in. That's the only Dostoyevsky book I've read though. And that's good at least the philosophy and history lessons gave an insight

[@alessandrocwilliam]

Marcus Aurelius Meditations ended my depression that lasted for years. Since that day I recommend it to all my loved ones who are going through bad times.

[@oranges557]

where is that meditation?

[@jaykwonzzz]

@@oranges557 Meditations* is the name of MA's journals that have been collected and assembled into a book. It's not a single meditation.

[@jaykwonzzz]

Finding Stoicism generally did that for me.

[@LEllis-ui3lx]

You needed Jesus fuq what a man said. Go get God

[@devinrogers6676]

Same… my fear of death was disruptive and has since dissipated

[@Runner1969]

Ryan's excitement of his discovery of Marcus is more inspiring than Marcus himself. When we discover a way to be enlightened to spur us on in this life is wonderful and I'm glad I see that in Ryan.

[@ericricky808]

He inspired me to study the life of anxient stoics..

[@andrewgoldstein5319]

Nicely said

[@steveurquell3031]

I was going through a shitty time. Both events and mental stuff. I picked up Meditations, a good translation, and read. I cannot describe how much it changed my life, for the better. It built in me an inner fortress, and handed me the keys, telling me nothing could breach it unless I let someone or something do it. I can not recommend it more. Thanks Marcus. I will carry your words with me as long as I live.

[@cody9419]

Really? Tell me me more... I might give it a look

[@DigitalPistonOfficial]

Yea e too! which translation did you read?

[@steveurquell3031]

@@cody9419 I came to it with not many expectations except knowing it was regarded as a "classic", and that I might have to put effort into reading it since it might be written in an old type of style. But once I started reading it, it just felt so fresh and modern, I kinda got sucked in. Parts of it were difficult and challenging. Some parts are slightly abstract ancient philosophy, but I worked my way around it by pondering them and searching meaning as metaphors. But the most difficult was when it meditates on how short life is and how soon everyone will be forgotten, and how tiny we all are. But in the end I came out with such a will to live for each second, and more than that: to live and carry myself with *virtue*. To just be a good person, do my part, and then let whatever come my way. It also gave me such a power to free myself of other people's opinions, and painful thoughts. One thing, that he got from Epictetus, always stays with me: "It is not things that upset us, but our judgements about those things". Can you imagine more empowering words to make bad memories f--- off? These hurtful memories have no more power over you than you give them. Sorry for the long text, I'm sure it was a bit more than you asked for.

[@steveurquell3031]

@@DigitalPistonOfficial I actually read a translation that wasn't English, but fortunately one that was very skilled AND not pretentiously "archaic/poetic" (Like "art thou" type stuff with unusual syntax). It was just straight forward and natural, which let me come so up close and personal with Marcus and his mind... I bought several of Holiday's books though, and loved them, like "Lives of the Stoics" and Daily Stoic, and saw his recommendation of Hays, so I got that for my English version :)

[@markhill3858]

welcome to stoicism :) if youre doing it right, even a violent death and loss of all you have, or even being thrown into hell itself .. cant hurt you

[@RICHARDGRANNON]

2:04 “It feels so… current and modern… the way he writes.” *pause* “it does depend on the translation” 😂😂😂

[@Sindywilliam]

📩

[@prnoiawegf55]

Yeah bit of a "special moment" for our beloved Joe there 😂

[@mamaharumi]

lmfao

[@waynerichardson1051]

Yeah, Ryan did so well to not drop him in that! No ego there, ha ha. He definitely walks the walk!

[@johnb.7874]

Yeah we all saw that coming...

[@madarovidius1775]

Another theory could be that since his first 7 children died, he most likely over protected and spoiled the only one that actually had survived. In his mind he probably thought he would not make it either, so why not give him the best time alive before he goes away like the others. Truly heartbreaking

[@joebaxter6895]

Yah but I like the answer he gave, most great men are too busy tending to their own posterity and greatness to be great fathers.

[@scott8588]

@@joebaxter6895 I loved that response because it was probably true

[@Wyzzkyd]

I thought you meant heartbreaking because Joaquin Phoenix ended up killing him, then I remembered that part of the film wasn't true at all, he died of measles probably.

[@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561]

@@Wyzzkyd and when Marcus died he was not sad. He was relieved. For nineteen years he was Emperor, and he could do any evil he wanted but he never gave into temptation. When he died, he died happy knowing he does not have to resist temptation anymore and he can finally rest.

[@ebecerra85]

Maybe his wife turned his son bitter towards his father for being absent in their life.

[@NoahJvmes]

joe really thought it was written in 21st century english 😂😂

[@gabriel_augustob]

The amount of excitement when Ryan talks about his craft is amazing!

[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 Gabriel Augusto Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@alexurbanchek7679]

got excited seeing him in the thumbnail

[@le_maxarus]

Yeah, he is not so stoic about it.

[@akjohnny5997]

eh it's kind of annoying, like he's trying to sell us what he's talking about. just say it and let what you say hold it's own merit.

[@mattdad8429]

@@akjohnny5997 I wouldn't look at it that way. I think he's passionate, and that comes off as "I believe it, so you should too". I feel like his major goal is letting people know about this philosophy so it can carry on into the future and last another 2,000 years.

[@lukecahill557]

As someone who studies history I find it absolutely mind blowing that we, in the 21st century, can read the inner thoughts of a man who was Roman Emperor. I really think this makes 'Meditations' one of the most important and fascinating documents in history. That it gives an insight into the mind of the most powerful man in one of history's most powerful empires, in a time so distant, is truly amazing.

[@johnshea7964]

I agree as a history major, it’s insane how we are lucky to me living in a time with so much access to things around the world which happened throughout centuries and civilizations

[@beastmasterbg]

I love that. I read the book 3 times. Its just so amazing that we can see a situation thats 2000 years ago by a great mind. Its soo far apart. Almost feels like teleportation to their realm. I wish there more of these types of books and notes

[@brownflat8837]

Mind control exposed! kzbin.info/www/bejne/imfNonula52Bers

[@MoejiiOsmanTV]

You can thank the Arab kings, Turkish sultans and the moors for translating Latin and Greek to the modern tongue of the day when they ruled over most of North Africa, europe was and all the way to turkey, they had access to all the ancient Greek text in the the great Alexandria library especially great works like the illiad and the odyssey, Aristotle and platos works etc imagine if those got lost to time.. alot did though when the great Alexandria library was burned down.. We lost alot of human knowledge like how the pyramids were officially built in those text that burned and are lost to time now

[@blameyourlag9455]

Its crazy too because Marcus Aurelius never wanted these to be shared, he wanted them burned after he passed away.

[@trannongoble7722]

Yes! Ryan Holiday's "The Obstacle is The Way" changed my mindset. Three years ago, everything changed for me in my 40s. My life has improved 1000x. I went from a nihilistic slacker to a proactive entrepreneur; from an unemployed drunk to a successful business owner. It is all about changing your perception and applying it to your life.

[@jsquared1013]

@Stringfellow Hawk it's not "luck", it's taking action to change yourself.

[@arturonavarropovedano2396]

Hey, man, thats great. Do you have any advice for the youngsters trying to improve?

[@trannongoble7722]

@@arturonavarropovedano2396 One thing that helped me was to see everything as a challenge to me to do my best. Simple, I know, but I realized that if I broke things down in increments and challenged myself to do those things, it started getting better. For example, the day I decided to take action I had a pile of dishes in the sink. I dreaded doing them. My dishwasher was broken and I was lazy. So, that day I decided to do it. I separated the plates, bowls, cups, and silverware into groups. I filled the sinks and I started challenging myself to get the bowls as clean as possible and then move on. Just that tiny accomplishment started everything. Silly as it might sound.

[@dbolt007]

What business did you start?

[@trannongoble7722]

@@dbolt007 The community newspaper in the town I live in now went defunct and the community wanted it again due to the fact that we are a tourist attraction, so I started a new one. I have years of experience in that area and had just been working a normal job until this happened. I think my choices put me in the right place at the right time.

[@fudomyoo9762]

When I worked a 12 hr graveyard shift in a factory doing equipment maintenance id listen to meditations audiobook. I would listen to it twice each night.

[@michellepedretti8792]

That was a truly enthralling conversation ... I live in northern Italy, love Rome and Roman history, but knew very little of this ... I am now inspired to look for a translation of Marcus Aurelius's work

[@jp1463]

Also check out senecas work

[@NovelPair]

Meditations. A timeless book all people should read for themselves.

[@manzero134gd]

Visit his bronze statue for me!

[@owenboarman5259]

The teachings of Marcus Aurelius should be taught in schools. I wish I had been exposed to his writings and those of the other philosophers.

[@x6da9crain]

They want workers and ppl to buy stuff. To keep the "machine" going. They don't want free thinkers

[@WICKEDVALLEY956]

What other philosophers....put me on some

[@philosophia9927]

It’s taught in colleges

[@blaqlabspodcast5816]

It used to be taught in high school not So Much Anymore

[@WICKEDVALLEY956]

Okay cool idgaf let me know names

[@freddysaade]

I was 19 when i read meditations as well… It was surreal this was the most powerful man to exist at the time and i get to relate to his inner thoughts. The jailhouse that is the human conscious has not evolved, but only grown to light over time.

[@osmosisjones4912]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ7Wn6yBeZl6aZY is finally here

[@TheCho22]

@Neutral Is the dialogue in the review section? Or in the book?

[@jazzman2516]

I am also a college student, 19, who read Meditations for the first time in my apartment! I hope to follow in Ryan’s footsteps and spread this beautiful philosophy as best I can.

[@metaphase-]

"If I'm nerding out, you can..." No, please, continue. I love seeing people who are passionate about their hobbies.

[@Shikhar_]

Amazed to see Ryan on JRE! The guy has done a brilliant work in popularizing Stoicism for the modern society.

[@slee2695]

It's good to see people with such different political views get along

[@rjlicano]

I think his books suck, but he has given the original works on stoicism a lot of publicity.

[@VaynerSpeakers]

💯

[@rickmave7607]

My day starts out with my daily stoic by Ryan. It is one of my life long regrets that stoicism wasn't taught in my schooling. This should change for the education of today.

[@akdreaming]

I do the same and agree 💯 that we should teach this in schools! Wish I had this teaching growing up.

[@climbtheskyspine5748]

If you aren't homeschooling your children today, they won't have much of a tomorrow.

[@AwokenEntertainment]

so fascinating how these ideas formed so long ago stay so relevant to modern times..

[@Intellistan]

The human's mind and emotion set, of course it applies

[@Alphapenguin88]

@@Intellistan true but there’s def a shift in conscious for 90 percent of people

[@shawngibson7514]

Being modern doesn’t make it better. This is relevant today because it’s Truth. I’m he ancient Roman’s were once “modern” people. 1,000 years from now, we will be ancient people.

[@augustusbus5344]

Same is true with the bible

[@stevenlang9849]

@@augustusbus5344 no

[@Tuff-g7v]

This guys passion to this subject makes it 100x more interesting.

[@f4veryone]

I remember a quote from Marcus Aurelius that really hit me deep. I'm paraphrasing but it's something like "all men die, but not all men die whining".

[@joseureste8257]

Don't argue what it is to be a man, be one

[@runek100]

he was such a alpha male

[@mworkman3375]

Pretty sure that's an Epictetus quote. "I must die, but must I die bawling?" is how it's translated in the version I have.

[@f4veryone]

@@mworkman3375 @M Workman33 That's a good possibility. Their philosophy is so similar though their backgrounds are from completely opposite side to each other. Like Michael Sugrue so well put it, " Even though Epictetus was a slave and Marcus Aurelius was an emperor, if they would've met they would've had a mutual respect to each other because they both understood that key to life is to have an orderly soul ".

[@f4veryone]

@@mworkman3375 Again paraphrasing of course.

[@jimviotv611]

I'm 17 years old.... I started living with stoic doctrines 7 months ago... I'm now iving a smoothly flowing life.

[@ritakilicci4897]

"Most great men are terrible fathers" Couldnt agree more

[@juliobarrios2520]

True. I've seen mother's kill there kids. No difference.

[@boopoo4317]

@@juliobarrios2520come on man we heard more man kill more women and children

[@juliobarrios2520]

@@boopoo4317 True. Both sides kill. Never bias.

[@owefay1]

Most regular woman are horrible mothers.

[@GabrielXander]

I would like but. I want the 69 to last as long as it may

[@lilyhempt515]

Marcus Aurelius’ writing helped save my life, thank you for talking about this

[@cody9419]

Really? How so? I might look at it....

[@danialanis1141]

Can't wait to listen to this whole pod. What a great man Marcus Aurelius was, his teachings along with other great leaders have improved my life exponentially. It's incredible how valuable his lessons are, even now.

[@VeritasIncrebresco]

Holiday has TDS, a dude that prefers Baiden over Trumph is far from stoic

[@fangornthewise]

What is the overall theme of the podcast? Is this guy some Rome expert or something?

[@DvitusR]

@@VeritasIncrebresco and wtf does that have to do with Marcus Aurelius lmao

[@smkxodnwbwkdns8369]

Those weren’t “his teachings”. Marcus was a student of the greek philosophers, his writings were likely his way of memorizing greek stoic philosophy

[@stixglass8442]

I CAN wait cause fuck spotify, it's a shitty app and Joe sold out!

[@liam9367]

“Nothing happens to anybody which he is not fitted by nature to bear.” - my favorite quote from MA

[@jgreezy1484]

Tell that to the inhabitants of Pompeii lol. Or the Dinosaurs or, or…. Etc. etc.

[@hichta1330]

Reminds me of a Quran Verse. Allah does not burden a soul beyond that it can bear” (2:286)

[@billelliott3507]

God gives you what you can handle

[@ianpcon3630]

@@jgreezy1484 Death is something we all bear too.

[@Piface2099]

stolen & recycled from the Bible

[@e.daniels5971]

I can randomly click on a JRE clip and - accidentally - it is almost invariably more interesting, valuable, captivating than ANYTHING I have watched on purpose in corporate media. Will never stop watching. Thank you JR.

[@samjl4]

‘Nothing happens to any man which he is not formed by nature to bear’ my favourite from meditations, any time I think things feel like they are getting too difficult to overcome that passage enters my head, and my energy is renewed.

[@bobbyboucher1936]

I dont trust anyone who says favourite. I prefer favorite. AND COLOR NOT COLOUR AND CHECK NOT CHEQUE

[@SleepyCSGO]

@@bobbyboucher1936 mate not everyone lives in America land

[@animoetprudentia2865]

When I was a young boy an uncle gave me the nickname Marcus Aurelius. Little did I know the impact his writings would have on me 4 decades (and some change) later in life. Now I need to find a copy of the earlier translations so I can experience his philosophy all over again. Stoicism is the antidote for self deprecating nihilism, and victim ideology.

[@DrGetgood]

Honestly I would recommend "Meditations: A New Translation" by Robin Waterfield. It's the most modern, and most researched translation of Marcus's writing to date.

[@Bollibompa]

Yes, a philosophy that teaches one to murder your rivals and that suicide is useful is the bomb!

[@DrGetgood]

@@Bollibompa it reaally is useful, honestly. A big component of stoicism is facing the world with the most realistic view possible. Sometimes that involves the need for you to crush your enemy totally. Otherwise they will crush you.

[@Bollibompa]

@@DrGetgood No, compassion and understanding is the key. You are craving wanton aggression and caveman, tribal behavior.

[@diegoledezma4045]

@@Bollibompa that’s not stoicism guy

[@MNorbert89]

It's a pleasant surprise to see Marcus Aurelius' Meditations mentioned on the Joe Rogen Podcast! It's my favorite work of philoshophy and contains timeless wisdom that can be applied in every time, every age, every culture, every situation. Philoshophy combined with spirituality can make you achieve the highest virtues and wisdom while without the spiritual path is only lead to more illusions and hardships.

[@joethekinghawk7514]

Marcus Aurelius had to turn to his philosophy due too the tumultuous events of his time, two wars (Parthia and Germania) a brutal plague, and betrayal by his wife Fastina and general Avudious Cassius. Marcus is the last of five so-called good emperor of Rome.

[@innocent.amchechesi276]

Where can I buy the book??

[@jamesdurham6548]

True what you speak of...you are wise

[@abdelcereceres3544]

What’s the name of the right book… there’s a lot Marcus Aurelius books???

[@AnthonyGargini]

One of the mosr well-known books ever that everybody recommends. You act like it's some unknown book

[@RenoTahoeTee]

I see why ppl get into Rogan.. I came across this episode researching Roman history and in specific Marcus Aurelius and stumbled upon this vid. Love the array of interesting topics and historical figures and event you talk about on the show. Awesome shit man!

[@xFELA]

I practiced asana yoga and was studying esoteric literature and symbolic languages when I stumbled upon "The art of worldly Wisdom" by Balthasar Gracian. Specifically the translation by Joseph Jacobs from Shambhala publications in their pocket sized book line (which is awesome, and a lot of the great books are available in pocket size). I can't stress enough how important it is to refine your mind. Reading this before acquiring a deeper understanding of the world and a stronger personal character and then reading it after is like reading 2 completely different books. Remember the saying "pearls before swine" don't allow yourself to go through life as a swine or the real majesty of life will go by unnoticed and you won't even know it. That is the real human tragedy of our modern world.

[@ProtectedByJah1]

Really like Ryan’s work - just wanted to correct a few historical inaccuracies: firstly rich people definitely did have toilets in Ancient Rome. Secondly, Ryan refers to ‘the five good emperors’ stating that they were the only good emperors in Roman history. Whilst these Emperors are undoubtedly amongst the best, the undisputed ‘best’ was Augustus, the first Emperor, with others such as Diocletian or Aurelian having a look in as well. Finally, when Ryan states that co-emperors hadn’t happened before or since, this is just plain wrong, Diocletian introduced the Tetrachy, a system where there were 4 Emperors all ruling at the same time, and there are multiples examples, especially in later Roman history, of multiple emperors ruling at the same time. The senior Emperor would be take the title Augustus whilst the junior partner would take the title of Caesar. Really appreciate Ryan’s work and I’m sure he mostly misspoke on these points but wanted to clarify regardless. For anyone interested, Mike Duncan’s History of Rome Podcast is an awesome overview of Roman history.

[@Vargre]

Claudius should be in that list in my opinion.

[@varengo1838]

All very good points!

[@fabricatorgeneralcaz534]

You didn’t have to be rich to have a toilet, they had public bath houses with toilets and running water that washed the shit out of the city

[@DNKitty]

Ahhh glad someone said it 😅

[@DNKitty]

Mike Duncan is amazing.

[@BMB57]

This is a treat. I just finished Obstacle Is The Way last month and have been doing the Daily Stoic and Journal everyday. Great timing.

[@Sindywilliam]

📥👆

[@Alberts_Stuff]

FUCKING SPAM BOTS - Don’t reply to either of these! Make sure you report them though.👍🏼

[@joangel777]

I agree. The spam bots are preying on innocent people who trust. I am grateful white hats exist; otherwise, I would say we should hire serial killers to go after these pieces of shit scammers.

[@emma_LouLondoner]

I could listen to Ryan all day long. Thank you for this wonderful interview, so interesting.

[@lou1958]

What a great guest and interview. I love that this guy is obsessed with the subject that he's become an authority and shares his knowledge with us all. I've gotta go watch this whole thing. Thanks JRE.

[@Mike-hn4uu]

Such a great point and I totally agree. And he’s a great conversationalist too, clearly, which is a nice change up from the typical mouthy podcaster these days, addicted to hearing themselves talk.

[@buttburgers8619]

It was a decent podcast but they ended up talking about everything other then marcus

[@arsenalarsenalCOYG]

“Why are most great men not great fathers?” The greatest men among us are the greatest fathers. Men, forget about all of the things this world wants you to chase and instead teach your children to work-hard, respect others, love their family, and serve their communities. That’s the greatest thing we can do as dads.

[@thomascalderon598]

I fully agree. Fathers have a bigger impact that people do not seem to understand. Without a father, the way you are, behavior, respect, gratitude, and showing matters is very different. When your father passes away, you will fully realize how important they were in your life. Respect your father, and thank god everyday that your father is there with you.

[@timtrek]

nayim from the halfway line

[@dys1525]

work smart, not hard

[@SpookDraku]

@@dys1525 work smart, and hard.

[@SpookDraku]

We must be willing to admit those truths we deny ourselves in order to become those fathers we want for our children. The person we lie to the most is usually ourselves. We know what we need to do. I’m glad more people are waking up to being humble and honest with themselves and the people around them, no matter how society is trying to shape them.

[@ScarletSnake]

Read "Meditations" a few years ago... The quotes keep coming to me every once in a while, and I am drawn back to it to read the lines I underscored... Fascinating read for anyone who feels pressure from peers/others...

[@jotcw81]

I just started reading it and it´s mind blowing...also: people were the same back then as today!

[@hannesmonaghan8905]

I keep it handy and pick it up when I’m down. A great book to have lying around.

[@calvinsuu1949]

"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the TRUE emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next."

[@masterofnone1481]

😎

[@TheOneAndOnly79]

🥶

[@Burzurk1987]

You watch too much TV

[@MrMrdcboi]

Hell yeah

[@rktsnail]

I studied philosohy and political science in college. I found Epicurus and Meditations in my own readings before course work began but its totally life changing. It’s the answer to saving our culture. The stoic disposition holds great power for individuals

[@trigger0403]

What do you do for work bro? I'm thinking about studying that too but is it financially viable?

[@JDAfrica]

@@trigger0403 art, music or philosophy may not make economic sense to study, but they make for a rich life. I’ve seen so many people pursue a life of high earning, only to hang themselves or shoot themselves at 40.

[@trigger0403]

I understand but at the same time I'd like to be comfortable too

[@bigern182]

The world needs Stoicism right now more than it ever has. It is the opposite of woke!

[@rktsnail]

@@trigger0403 I’m in law school. Looking to do energy law with a focus in contracts and mergers and acquisitions. Legal work for import export contracts for natural gas and renewable energy infrastructure companies. It’s interesting stuff, relevant to saving the world, let’s me live in the south where people aren’t on my ass telling me and my future kids that we are racist shameful bigots (I’m a moderate), and best of all it should make me over 150k out of law school. Now it isn’t easy, and you have to do very well in school, which I did and still do, but again it is difficult but that is how we stoics enjoy it to be. Good luck. I also studied political science at a school in DC so career paths are more legit there. Do not major in philosophy. Major in political science and go to law school or move to dc and do policy somewhere, do a philosohy minor. There are no careers in philosohy but it teaches you to write very well and it shows you are challenging yourself in law school transcripts because the classes are hard but rewarding. Good luck.

[@runek100]

Marcus Aurelius was such a baller. I mean philosophers from acient rome were so much ahead of time. Take for example civil law, we basically use it with few difference till today, it is crazy. I just had huge exam from roman civil law and I was just amazed.

[@chrisasterion5050]

Epictetus was the original....

[@runek100]

@@chrisasterion5050 it doesn't change the fact he was baller tho

[@Dedicated_.1]

All there ideas are rediscovered ideas from civilisations that were destroyed and forgotten. We have been more advanced than we are now, this is something people are not willing to accept yet.

[@chadsknnr]

@@chrisasterion5050 True. Based on their translated writings, I respect them both . . . .

[@joebaxter6895]

I dont know if they were ahead of their time so much as what they wrote is timeless. Universally human. They just wrote eloquently about the human condition. Are brains dont evolve enough in 2000 years to be that different. Our external environment may be different but the synapses fire the same way.

[@isaacm1246]

I first read meditations when I was 16 years old. I’m 21 now, married, own a business, have a house with property and I can attribute quite literally all of this success to Marcus’s words. It has directly and indirectly made me branch out to all kinds of philosophical thought. I think all young men should read mediations. Thank you

[@MCrelationz]

Thanks for sharing.

[@susanboyles3460]

Um...maybe ALL young people should be encouraged to explore Stoicism. Very valuable lessons/reflections & guidance for life that applies to young women also (& however you define yourself).

[@isaacm1246]

@@susanboyles3460 absolutely I wholeheartedly agree, young women should read it as well. I just think young men waste so much of their potential on arbitrary things. Young women on the other hand typically mature faster than men, and spend their time more wisely when it comes to school, work, and relationships. So I think young men need a larger emphasis in today’s climate when it comes to responsibility and discipline.

[@sfyn3496]

I believe everybody should read it regardless of gender, its teaches disciplane, hard word, courage, inner peace. Brother I'm 18 and kind of confused about carrier. Can you tell how come you managed to not only own bussiness and house but also get married. I am amazed as at 18 I could never think of getting married so early.

[@sfyn3496]

@@isaacm1246 You are absolutely right about women. Women surely mature faster than men in general, my cousin she is only 3 years older than me (I'm 18) and she has a daughter,she also studies law in uni. She manages everything very effieciently and is good with money. She handles responsibilty better than many men older than her.

[@joeybashaw4533]

Marcus was probably the most honest ruler with that amount of power...in human history.

[@heathergrein]

I was gifted Daily Stoic by my best friend, and now I love to gifting it to others. I really love it.

[@bobby_hill8357]

That's true, it's REALLY hard to be a good father AND a historically great man. There's usually only time for one, not both.

[@bobby_hill8357]

@ABU I'm 100% not clicking on your link

[@runek100]

I think he once said he failed as father, and then was choked to death.

[@h.y.w.7875]

I immediately thought of Elon Musk

[@salmanbutt4706]

It's true. My dad is someone that I and most people that know him consider him to be a great man. An excellent business man, a man of knowledge, excellent communicator, hardest worker in the room and a go getter. But he never made the same effort with his kids. He always chose work and still does at 60+ I've always resented him for that because I made alot of mistakes in life that could have been avoided if maybe he were more present and available. But as I grew up I understood that it's just the way that he is. He is also human at the end of the day and was brought up a certain way. My dad has taught me how NOT to be with my children when it comes to this. But he has also taught me so many other things that will help me on my path to greatness

[@WontSeeReplies]

This fool thinks Winston Churchill is a good person! He’s a lifelong equivalent to what hitler became.

[@evanwilliamson3602]

Not just the most powerful man, but a man who felt a LOT of pain because of his health conditions, and I know he’d say he did not suffer as suffering is a mindset.

[@kobalt77]

The quality of Joe's guests and interviews is mind blowing. These shows make make a mockery of mainstream media.

[@billbyrd5150]

Can we appreciate how appropriate an Iron Maiden tee is for a history buff?

[@Sindywilliam]

📥👆

[@Steno316]

Iron maiden? Excellent!

[@HAZMOLZ]

I have listened to the meditations on Audible about once a year for the last 5 years. Whether you've read the book or not, this is well worth the listen for Richard Armitage's solemn english accent alone, which does the prose and thrust of the meditations great justice.

[@sagebreezy]

Link ?

[@DrGetgood]

I need to find that version! I love Richard Armitage

[@elizabethaleman117]

@@DrGetgood it’s free til July 28

[@JohnSchaeferUNIVERSE]

BOTH OF THESE MEN HAVE HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE-----SO MUCH GRATITUDE FOR THESE TWO

[@cameronmcguire1599]

Human after all. Marcus, Joe and Ryan share a kindred spirit of wonder. Respect to anyone who keeps the conversation of life going. Freedom to speak (right or wrong) is an invaluable asset.

[@TheCrowsClaw]

The stoic philosophy saved me from depression. Highly recommend!

[@nething94]

Me too, powerful stuff

[@123G-r4d]

So you read the book and weren't depressed?

[@Sal3600]

@@123G-r4d basically. It just tells you to stop worrying so fucking much🤷

[@TheCrowsClaw]

@@123G-r4d It helped me massively along the way, combined with medicine and therapy.

[@tomben6180]

You saved yourself from depression

[@BZ-db1ro]

Coincidence this conversation was posted. I am halfway through reading The Meditations by Aurelius. He was so spiritually aware of himself and how life is just a moment of fleeting existence. Not really a full story book, but more like a journal of self-reflecting thoughts. It's absolutely inspiring and I'd 1000% recommend to put the book on your reading list!! Especially if you are spiritual in any way.

[@colmocuinneagain3580]

thats a coincidence, not irony

[@manaman6559]

Ironic? Moronic….

[@BZ-db1ro]

@@colmocuinneagain3580 thanks

[@jopo7996]

Joe "Aurelius's writing reads like something recent" Ryan "That's because you read a recent translation" Joe "ooooooohhhhhh."

[@Sigrafix]

I facepalmed at that.. Joe is such a dummy sometimes.. did he think he wrote in modern English 2,000 years ago? Lol..wtf..

[@runek100]

He might mean his ideas, but with stoned joe you never know.

[@johnkramer565]

Haha. I thought that as well. Was definitely scratching my head on that one.

[@adambeardsley371]

Lol, I don’t think Joe is normally as dumb as he was in that moment. It seems like he really thought he was reading the words exactly as written by Marcus Aurelius.

[@aronescalera851]

Stoicism Rules! -Amor Fati = Love of Faith -Momento Mori = Remember you have to die -Premeditatio Malorum = Negative Visualization -Power of Logic vs Emotions! "It's not what happens to you but how you react to it that matters"

[@Alberts_Stuff]

Why are there so many spam bots here ffs ???

[@alexmuircroft7191]

Premeditatio Malorum - Negative visualisation

[@jeffmahoney1271]

Richard Harris, not Peter O'Toole, played Marcus Aurelius in Gladiator. I only mention it because he was one of the greatest actors of all time and gets next to no credit.

[@bonganilewis]

Searching for this comment before I said the same thing. OG Dumbledore!

[@njuham]

Richard Harris gets credit all the time. Do you live under a rock or something?

[@jeffmahoney1271]

@@bonganilewis Yes, the best one imo.

[@jeffmahoney1271]

​@@njuham Example?

[@GhastlyCretin]

Richard Harris in "The Field" is one of the best performances ever.

[@TheEntity0]

So awesome to see Ryan on Rogan!! I’ve been subscribed to Daily Stoic and the daily e-mail for about a year now and it’s really helped me refocus my life. I read through Meditations on Ryan’s suggestion and immediately went back through it a second time because it truly is perspective shifting.

[@Cleisthenes607]

To further illustrate this, one of the greatest playwrights in history Aeschylus on his death, his epitaph commemorates his participation in the Greek victory at Marathon while making no mention of his success as a playwright. These guys were warriors and athletes first.

[@FellsApprentice]

A large part of that is because he died at Marathon during the battle.

[@Cleisthenes607]

@@FellsApprentice He did not die at Marathon, that is wrong. He died in Sicily decades later.

[@joek600]

@@FellsApprenticehis brother died at Marathon

[@lovev9904]

I'm an Independent Latino. WOW, Rogan this is one of the Best episode. Thank you for stressing on someone's (kids) up bring. Many, Many people don't understand this, only the ones that have gone through trials and tribulations. I'm happy that many people overcame this issue but never forgot being in that state.....Si Bueno. I wish you had your podcast in different languages - Spanish Please.

[@bloodstripeleatherneck1941]

His work survived the last collapse of civilization to live on and save my life. I owe him all my gratitude.

[@Astraeus..]

Uhh...hate to burst your bubble or whatever, but civilization didn't "collapse" at any point between then and now. In fact, very very few civilizations or societies in history ever truly just collapsed or fell apart, the vast majority were only ever absorbed or divided up among various other societies. The Roman Empire is among those; the western part of the Empire was overrun by various Germanic tribes, while the eastern part of the Empire became the Byzantine Empire, which carried on till the 1400's, at which point it was conquered and absorbed by the Ottoman Empire.

[@bloodstripeleatherneck1941]

@@Astraeus.. "Rome didn't collapse or whatever". Hate to burst your bubble, but I am Jacks stoic grey rock technique. When Jack practices me I already just can't with you 😐

[@sebastianalex7900]

Loved this talk. I’m also fascinated by “Meditations”. Just one small correction dear Joe, the actor that did an outstanding characterization of Marcus Aurelius in the Ridley Scott movie “Gladiator” was the amazing irish actor RICHARD HARRIS, not the also amazing actor Peter O’Toole. Richard Harris was also outstanding in movies like: “Unforgiven”, “Count of Montecristo (2002)” and as the first “Dumbledore” on the “Harry Potter” movies.

[@philipbunney9445]

Doing Gods work. Nice one.

[@mainsource8030]

I'll have that pistol Bob. Why then Bill, you would leave me at the mercy of my enemies.......Are you talking about the queen again!!!! On independence day! - hey, what a coincidence, its independence day!! 😉😉

[@jb6368]

Met Richard Harris many many years ago at rugby match here in Ireland. I was seated beside him in stands and his language was not what Marcus would of approved of lol 🤣

[@gainzhurt3-6-9]

I did not know richard Harris was dumbledore, my god now i see it lol thank you

[@jamesdallison]

O'Toole shit out and did Troy. However him and Harris are GOATs. Hellraisers.

[@CLDLL-yr8df]

Never seen someone know so much and so little about Rome at the same time

[@passiveaggressiveflamingo6851]

I know right?😂

[@markguyver1211]

Care to explain? I'm not criticizing, just curious.

[@Crb53]

@@markguyver1211 There were previously co emperors/2 rulers of Rome and also there was loosely plumbing / toilets

[@passiveaggressiveflamingo6851]

@@markguyver1211 That was so considerate of you to be sure the other person doesn’t think you’re being critical. It’s so small but can really affect people. I’m going to do the same, thank you for the reminder to be aware! I’m kind of a jerk but I’m working on it, so thanks again!

[@jasonmelton9755]

1. Richard Harris, the actor that recorded MacArthur Park, played Marcus Aurelius in the film, Gladiator; Peter O'Toole played King Priam in the film, TROY. 2. Marcus Aurelius' son, Commodus, ruled as coregent with his father for four years before Marcus died. 3. Commodus was assassinated by strangulation in his bath by a wrestler named Narcissus, twelve years later.

[@SD-li9g]

Hollywood are so full of it

[@glennbeadshaw727]

Well narcissists always like to strangle you in your tub... it's so nice and up-close-and-personal

[@drewskij2175]

@@SD-li9g always has been and always will be.

[@rupturedaorta]

The Stoics are badass. Seneca, Epictetus, and Marcus Aurelius. Powerful writings.

[@kristycampbell5986]

1 Metal-Thrashing-Mad Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@rabbychan]

Try diogenes

[@yossarian1633]

@@rabbychan Or Proclus.

[@springerbrady]

“Most great men are not good fathers.” “Why is that?” …”I think because they’re busy.” Hit me in the feels. I have a 2 year old boy & I have high aspirations for my business & it does take away from my family life. It’s so tough to balance. I’d give up my “success” in order to teach him & raise him properly in a heartbeat though…

[@shuaibkadir8657]

Interesting comment, I’m on the flip side I’m 31 and don’t have a kid , my business takes all my energy but lately have been feeling lonely and wondering what’s the point of having money if you don’t have a wife and kids.

[@springerbrady]

​@@shuaibkadir8657 Agreed man. We all have different paths in life. Having a family is a great burden that does not always leave a smile on your face... but it's something that I'm glad to bare because it gives me a ton of meaning. You'll be in my prayers brother. I hope you continue to succeed in life & in whatever direction you go. Family or not, you can make a positive impact while you're here. 🙏

[@user-qp6se2tn4r]

@@springerbrady l like how you replied honestly!

[@1601tgc]

Did you just call yourself great?

[@astrocat88]

I love listening to Ryan Holiday speak about stoicism and MA. Thanks for this interview!!

[@perfectpitch2506]

It finally happened!!! 2 of my favorite men together having a conversation!!!!

[@thewormwhoisgod9886]

“The Drowned Book”, a millennium after Aurelius, and in the sphere of Persian/Turkic/“Rüm”an Islam (Rumi’s father’s diary) is another incredibly relatable work…also, Richard Harris played MA not O’Toole

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

In my mind they look the same :)

[@jhaeliferrua]

One correction, Commodus was not kill by a gladiator. When Marcia found a list of people Commodus intended to have executed, she discovered that she, the prefect Laetus and Eclectus were on it. The three of them plotted to assassinate the emperor. On 31 December, Marcia poisoned Commodus' food, but he vomited up the poison, so the conspirators sent his wrestling partner Narcissus to strangle him in his bath. - Dio Cassius 73.22.3. Also it was pretty common to adopt a son, and that son to inherit the Empire. The Claudio-Julian dynasty was entirely pass by adopted sons or nephews, or uncles. Augustus -> Tiberius (adopted son) -> Caligula (grandson of Augustus) -> Claudius (Caligula's uncle) -> Nero (Claudius adopted son); the entire 5 good emperors were pass to adopted sons, it was a common thing to pass it to a more capable man (meritocracy) than to a person just because of blood relations.

[@MindFuelMedia7347]

Moral of the story: don't have a physicall copy of the top 10 people you would like to hug

[@MrThickDick]

Appropriate use of a colon but inappropriate spelling of physical. 🤯

[@Jarke]

I wonder if Marcus ever thought people would remember and be talking about him 1800+ years later. Talk about a legacy.

[@ScoundrelSFB]

Oh, Imagine your diary being published 2000 years later and it's used in teaching. "I tried to hold a fart in the store today, rushed out of the automatic doors; cheeks clenched... but disasters befell me, sweet diary... it was no fart that left me."

[@dankvader5060]

Lmao

[@andrewcanady6644]

Lol are you relaying something from your own diary? It’s brilliant.

[@P90XGetRipped]

Marcus Aurelius is a legendary historical figure. We are so lucky to be able to read and understand his thoughts.

[@markhill3858]

Im not sure I understand all his thoughts :) very big brain, and he bangs on about "god" a lot (I presume he means jupiter hes no christian thats for sure lol) .. and he thinks solids are made of atoms but gases ARE NOT .. hes amusing, occasionally deeply useful, sometimes hilariously wrong (it was a long time ago he does very well really) .. he is a man of his time in the end

[@TheFlutecart]

I recommend Marcus Aurelius Meditations to nearly everyone. It's powerful stuff. Changed my life in good ways and I still learn from it.

[@TheFlutecart]

@@Endgame707 ...He was Emperor of Rome. Second Century AD. One of the 5 "good" Emperors. Picked for the role not born to it. Still, he was Roman, not from Spain.

[@cameronmitchell9561]

I stumbled on Meditations as an adult and it really changed the way I looked at myself and most importantly, life. I have not looked back!!

[@cotybowman8825]

I love the fact that a scholar is wearing an Iron Maiden shirt under his jacket.

[@samualadams824]

a lot of this sounds like a good reason to keep legacy family politicians out of politics

[@TheLyricsGuy]

If there was one person that I could go back in time to meet and talk to, it would probably be Marcus Aurelius. I kinda wish Joe had let Ryan speak a little more in this episode. Ryan has a lot of valuable insights on stoic philosophy that would have been great for people to hear.

[@firelord4662]

You'd be disappointed everything you heard is all lies

[@TheLyricsGuy]

@@firelord4662 What do you mean?

[@jakefitzpatrick1796]

I agree. Joe spoke way too much in this episode.

[@cody9419]

I KNOW. I used to like this site much more. They don't talk about anything interesting anymore

[@drewskij2175]

hmmm that's a good one, got me thinking about some in the past that I would have loved to meet, in no particular order; -I would have liked to party with Alexander the Great -Received an education by Cicero -Made the sex with Nefertiti -Went to war with George Washington

[@lucasbrown4981]

Stoicism saved my life and has given me guidance in a life devoid of love, compassion, guidance, good role models and opportunities. Through Stoicism, I have learned to find peace and a path for myself to help others and to live as a good human being. By serving and helping others, I in turn help myself. As Marcus believed, every living being is put on this Earth for a purpose and to fulfill their fullest potential.

[@nbkkash9451]

When you grow up spoiled and in the shadow of a parent who is loved and adored, you are under extreme pressure and high expectations are placed upon you. Some children respond negatively to that dynamic, feeling as if their life is predetermined and laid out against any will to determine their own outcome. It forced many royals to go the extremes to set their own destiny far removed from the stereotype of expectations.

[@riverratrvr9225]

Awesome...been following Ryan for many years, heard his talks, just so amazingly relevant I love Meditations.

[@Sindywilliam]

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[@mohamedtrevino8709]

1 RiverRat RVR Fuk what you saying it here 😠 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvVl4aBa9WhprM Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo. 😠 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😠😠 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖 los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

[@mrawesome669]

Learning history has been one of the most rewarding things I've ever undertaken in my life. If anyone is intrigued by the history being discussed here and wants to know more I'd highly recommend doing it, you won't regret it

[@hopswordusmc6973]

I have embraced stoicism and it has really helped me put perspective on my life. Now a very valid point should be emphasized that a good translation is vital to painting the picture most accurately that the writer is trying to paint with their words. I had to go through 3 translations of Sun Tzu before I found an explanation I could understand. “Everyman’s Library” is the copy I have which I try to revisit with regularity

[@FolstrimHori]

I find it hilarious that Joe didn't realize that the vernacular of Marcus' writing could be influenced by translation.