Ryan Murphy vs. the Menendez family -- A MESS

Articles referenced:
Where Are Lyle And Erik Menendez Now? New Evidence Could Get Them Released From Prison --- www.forbes.com...
Ryan Murphy Has ‘No Interest’ in Meeting the Menendez Bros. and Believes New Trial Is Possible: ‘Monsters’ Is the ‘Best Thing That’s Happened to Them in 30 Years’ --- variety.com/20...
Menendez Family Slams Netflix’s ‘Monsters’ as ‘Grotesque’ and ‘Riddled With Mistruths’: ‘The Character Assassination of Erik and Lyle Is Repulsive’ --- variety.com/20...
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[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Creating sexual fiction about CSA and incest victims for your own profit and then saying you had no interest in talking to them is.... really fucking sick.

[@beepboop2842]

its so dehumanising too, whether you hate the brothers or not. this is so dehumanising, ryan fails to realise the people in this situation exist/existed

CSA?

[@tolanisimpson5360]

Child sexual assault.

[@Myaccount923]

@@beepboop2842 that’s because it’s not human. This type of stuff is demonic activity

[@Trobtwillis]

I agree!

[@drewberriesandcream]

i think ryan doesn’t wanna meet the brothers because he’s lowkey ashamed to face them

[@justheretocommentokdontwan685]

Maybe if he actually faced these people he'd be able to make more tasteful shows

[@torturedsouldepartment]

Bingo. I think you’re on to something.

[@Trobtwillis]

He should have interviewed them as part of his pre-production research. He should have interviewed their relatives too.

[@emilyectoplasm]

As he should be. He's made a mockery of what they went through. They've already been in prison for 34 f*cking years.

[@MariaDonkova]

@@emilyectoplasm Like imagine going through what they did, and only to end up being called gay for it, and having these people downplay your trauma.

[@daniboy4153]

Ryan Murphy and Sam Levinson would get along well honestly considering their track records of doing terrible things as directors.

[@DarleyHavidsun]

Them and the creators of Game of Thrones. And The Boys. Wastes of fucking space.

[@phoebesama5348]

i thought they worked together? lmao

[@mrpurple11]

​@@DarleyHavidsun out of curiosity. What did the others do?

[@nathaniel9563]

@@DarleyHavidsunplease explain how the creators of The Boys series are on this list?

[@Joy.W.]

@@nathaniel9563same I want to know

[@Wander85942]

Ryan Murphy is all shock value and no substance. It’s why I gave up on AHS. He wasn’t even trying to handle this carefully or respectfully.

[@velvetvehemence]

Yeah. Should've stuck to the mindless camp of the first couple seasons

[@thtswutshesaid]

The haunted house season 1 will always be my favorite. Coven & freak show were okay, everything else was just.....🙄 sex & blood.

[@Curtis69213]

What did he get wrong? This should be interesting

[@rileysunderland1904]

I will never unsee THAT scene from Hotel 😭

[@Wander85942]

@@rileysunderland1904 that’s about where I stopped watching

[@MuzikFreak161]

They testified that at some point Lyle…Did things to Eric when they were kids. They didn’t really understand the gravity of what it was because it was so normalized by their father doing that stuff and much worse. That is a part of their trauma and Eric forgave Lyle for that. Now imagine going through that and now that story is being twisted to be even worse by insinuating that they liked it with each other. That’s pretty horrific, especially since there’s so many smooth brained mouth breathers will take so much of this as truth. It won’t impact him at all because it’s not his life, and he’s making millions. But those two brothers are locked away forever without even so much as a warning beforehand that they would be portrayed as potential incestuous psychopaths.

[@aidafaupl4733]

You are so right!!!

[@Trobtwillis]

Maybe the family should sue. I suspect that the brothers would not be allowed to sue.

[@beepboop4016]

@@Trobtwillisthey aren’t going into any sort of legal shit after are you kidding me? Why would you trust them to make a decision when you were in prison for life

[@MariaDonkova]

Not even just that, but the theory that still holds up about both of them being gay, especially Erik is super disrespectful. They are married men with daughters.

[@prnst4r]

​@@MariaDonkovaOnly Erik is a stepfather to his wife's daughter from a previous relationship

[@richardsmith9704]

I'm glad I didn't even consider watching this. Even the promo images on Netflix didn't sit right with me. The promo material made it look like a drama and not a docuseries

[@the.lizardking]

My right ear is starving

[@pinkfeet518]

it’s me and my right airpod vs the world - it just died after this comment went through LOL

[@TheMariemarie16]

Same I stopped the video to check my headset because this is my $250 dollar company provided headset and I just cracked the right side and it's brand new. I was totally freaking out that I just jacked up my company equipment that I'm not supposed to be using anyway😅

[@gdaymates431]

Hahahaha I stopped to check another video to stop myself from panicking that my expensive headphones aren't broken. Phew.

[@joshswarm]

If you're listening through Earbuds/headset there may be a way to change the audio to "mono audio" and it'll come out of the other ear.

[@katemiller3796]

Omg I thought it was my beats head phones 😂

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

After seeing the trailers for the series I did a bunch of research on the Menéndez brothers' case and then when finally sat down to see it I was _appalled_ by the choices made by Murphy and his team. Putting aside that it's arguably pretty disrespectful to falsely portray a _real life_ victim of incestuous childhood sexual abuse as doing the same, but it doesn't even do anything for the narrative - what does adding the incest do except try to make them seem extra "fucked up"? They shot their abusive parents in their living room, I think that's already enough fodder in the "fucked up" department without adding this extra layer of creepily almost fetishized abuse. Edit: Also _Jesus_ if someone implied the knew my perspective about my life, especially when it came to any abuse I suffered, without talking to me even once, I would be on death row myself pretty quickly.

[@MariaDonkova]

Not even just that, but Ryan is implying that because Erik and Lyle are both men and they are so close and affectionate, that must mean their gay. He always does this. He did this with Dhamer, and his previous shows.

[@staceyboomboom8031]

​@@MariaDonkovaDahmer WAS gay though.

[@mkaylor121]

Their father was in the music industry and is connected to the people that are connected to P-Diddy you should look into that rabbit hole

[@Shibamc]

The music industry is a BIG rabbit hole. You'll never reach the bottom.

[@emilyonizuka4698]

he couldn't have just like made his own completely fictional story not at all based on any true story to get his shock value show without dragging real people into it?

[@EagleTimberWolf]

If I'm being brutally honest, I feel like the only reason he uses real cases is so that it's easier to sneak in his fetishes. If he uses real people, then audiences who don't know the story just assume the fucked up extras he added are actually part of the case, but if he used fictional characters, then it would be more obvious that he's simply into that sort of thing.

[@Hello-hello-hello456]

​@@EagleTimberWolfHey if an author is highly skilled, anything they write (even their own fetishes or wtv) will fit into the narrative and themes like a puzzle piece.

[@EagleTimberWolf]

@@Hello-hello-hello456 Thing is nobody would care if he simply owned up to it lol It's the fact that he tries to disguise his kinks as horror that makes it laughable

[@katemiller3796]

Yeah like it would’ve been still trashy but it could’ve been a fictional story with some similarities but just to do it and present it as their story…

[@MariaDonkova]

@@EagleTimberWolf That’s true, you already have people out here making comments about how they no longer believe the brothers because of watching the show, and how it portrayed them as monsters.

[@mkaylor121]

Basically we're getting the TMZ version of the menendez brothers

[@charlotteautumn4177]

Not only did he make a show about them, but he made a show about the most awful, traumatic thing that they experienced and didn't even ask them about it to ensure he was telling their story accurately. Also there is *no* evidence for the incest. The only "evidence" for it is that Lyle confessed to abusing Erik similarly to how their father had abused them as children.

[@MariaDonkova]

There is also no evidence for Erik being gay either. This man has to make everything in his show gay.

[@rosee4934]

Lyle did say that he done what his dad did to him (with a toothbrush) once to his brother, but thats the affects of incestuous sexual abuse. If that is all you know at a young age, you think this behavior is normal. Especially if the dad is assaulting and raping them and also abuse from the mother, it becomes conviluded in regards to the sibling/parental relationship aspect in regards to whats right and wrong ect. They suffered extreme abuse from their pedophile father and allowing mother. If these were 2 sisters im sure people would be more understanding. I hope if this case intrigues anyone and want to understand, I hope they look into long term affects of incestuous sexual abuse, and other types in regards to what they experienced. I hope the new evidence gives them the opportunity to get out and adjust to the outside world and live the rest of their lives free.

[@Tonygunk6969]

Just trying to figure out more about the case where did Lyle say he molested Erik ?

[@MariaDonkova]

Yes and also, the theory about Erik being gay still is very disrespectful

[@Moonlady1586]

Honestly, this does not surprise me when it comes to Ryan Murphy and his real life/true crime series. I noticed he’s been just going along with misinformation, rumors and gossip making these series. It started with Feud: Betty and Joan. He got sued by the legendary actress Olivia de Havilland for the series portrayal of her. He’s since been sued by others over similar issues and such. The man doesn’t even care at this point. All he cares about is the views, ratings, and awards some of his projects have been given to him. He needs to be stopped. I used to be a fan of his work. Now after all seeing how he treats victims and people involved in these real life stories in his series. It has left a bad taste in my mouth. I can’t support his projects any longer. He has such a nasty attitude when he gets called out for his work. I lost respect for him.

[@MikeMatsumoto-v4x]

I never had any respect for him at all especially after finding out that he made a mockery of the atrocities Jeffrey dahmer did

[@hollylyons2312]

"Kim Kardashian is doing God's work" WHAT SIR?

[@thtswutshesaid]

I LAUGHED SO HARD when I heard that too😂😂😂😂 I think Ryan Murphy is the devil. Lol

[@pistachioperson]

to be fair she is advocating for prison reform (that’s why she visited the brothers) and has spoken out repeatedly against anti-black racism in the us justice system. not a fan of her and „the lords work“ is a lot but with this issue she is actually doing a good thing

[@ifitdontapplydontyoucry]

​@@pistachiopersonlol

[@LP-ct9nk]

Kim does that because she needs to transition into a new schtick since people are over her vapidness and she liked the attention it gets her. If people ignored what she did in this space she would drop it like how she does every venture she gets tired of (baby bar and being a lawyer being the most relevant example)

[@visionaryannie]

@@pistachiopersonshe only does that for people to think she’s a good person so that they can ignore her and her family’s controversial upbringing. you can’t think she’s doing this from a place of real concern. These Elite people that have so much exposure to the public will do anything to get people to believe them and think that they’re on the good side. Don’t get fooled

[@dariang4725]

Its really gross. Ryan Murphy wanted them to have a sexual relationship because he thinks its hot.

[@deangagatr3886]

He included that in the show because of the speculation at the time and show is complex showcasing all perspective of the trial

[@Tonygunk6969]

⁠@@deangagatr3886 bruh with no substantiated evidence also want to say it was never brought up in trial if Lyle and Erik menendez were in a incestuous relationship and there’s also no evidence that Lyle molested his brother

[@mariia099]

@@Tonygunk6969lyle confessed to molesting his brother

[@theheartpart5]

@@Tonygunk6969 ​​⁠​⁠ Lyle did confess to m*lesting Erik and apologized to him for it during the trial. However, the incident happened when they were both little kids, and was a part of the cycle of abuse (this behavior was normalized to Lyle by Jose, and Lyle replicated the behavior with someone else. In most cases of COCSA or sibling-on-sibling incest, the perpetrator experienced SA themselves). The problem was the portrayal of this as “consensual” incest between brothers, instead of a one-off instance of SA. It seems like Ryan Murphy has a thinly-veiled fetish…

[@Trobtwillis]

The only evidence (of which I know) of Lyle & Erik showering together was their cousin's sworn testimony that they showered together with Jose at least once.

[@musicalchick3]

I don't even know why people still watch any Ryan Murphy shows. Every time he comes out with a new show or even a new season something controversial happens.

[@selcatron]

I didn't know who was until 2 min ago but I saw Menendez show

[@meagan.phillip]

I like how he brought up the fact that this is giving them a lot of attention as if their family is gonna be receiving royalties from streams or any judge would care at all about popularity. Directors like this don’t care about telling a story they just want to create entertainment

[@Horrorbabe4]

he's insane

[@anjanaunnikrishnan8636]

The majority of people supporting the brothers didn't even discover them through the Monsters series.....like myself found them in some random true crime podcast/video & decided to dig deeper about the case🤨

[@crazyratlady3115]

Is there any chance you'd cover the case of Robert Roberson? He's an autistic man on death row, convicted for a murder that experts now agree didn't even happen. He's scheduled to die on October 17th. Obviously everyone needs to do their own reading but the case and court documents are summarised on the Innocence Project website, even the lead investigator who convicted him has called this conviction a mistake and is calling for the case to be reviewed. Any attention on Roberson's situation would be appreciated.

[@Iden_Elihio_1999]

Wow thanks for shedding light on that .....

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Thanks for alerting me to this. Let me guess ... the purported "murder victim" is still alive and kicking? Because Mr. Roberson really got a raw deal here.

[@suuske3563]

I watched the show but I really hated how they portayed the brothers and how inaccurate it all is. They really made Lyle look like a psychopath. Also the incestueus relationship which there is no evidence for and making Eric gay. Lies have been spread by the media about them for 30 years and now a horrible show like this doing the same. Its really a shame. I hope the brothers finally get a fair trial and get out of prison.

[@kavi212]

There’s no evidence for their supposed sexual abuse either but suddenly everyone wants to believe that

[@kcjakes4259]

@@kavi212Thank you! People are clueless!!

[@n0tyouraverag3]

it’s hard to present evidence in child sex abuse cases and there is some evidence to say that the abuse DID happen. there was the letter found written by erik to his cousin andy cano (which was the same cousin that testified for the brothers in court) seven months before the murder happened where he admits the abuse is still happening. there was an envelope with photos of the boys naked which had a focus of their lower bodies/private areas. other cousins that would stay over also said that there was an area of the house that they weren’t allowed in when jose would take the boys in there and kitty would make sure they didn’t go near. another cousin approach kitty when lyle had told her about his dad touching him and kitty ignored it and said that he was lying. many people have said that jose would make the boys shower with them as well. and for the fact that the ENTIRE family stands with the boys and believes they are somewhat innocent, i think really says enough. there’s a lot of evidence to say the abuse happened whether you want to believe it or not. that’s not even all of it, but it’s definitely all there.

[@n0tyouraverag3]

@@kavi212

[@suuske3563]

@@kavi212 Naked photos of them in sexual poses as children, letters that they wrote where they spoke about the abuse a long time before the murders happened, them reaching out to many others telling them about the abuse long before the murders, cousins and aunts and uncles witnessing verbal abuse as well as hearing sex noses and the door being locked. Psychologists confirming their complex ptsd etc.

[@jasminev5103]

disgusting to make a mockery of two victims of csa.

[@whyypleasewhy1993]

Audio is only in left channel

[@arcticgalaxies9160]

very painful and peaky too

[@toxicstrain7484]

Dude thank you I thought it was my speaker!! I was about to restart my phone 🤦‍♀️

[@AmarisFrede]

Must be like the 3rd video with this problem. I hope she can soon get better tech. Maybe something broke? Cuz the videos prior were great audio.

[@bl1nktwice]

I couldn't get past a few episodes. The tone was so off. It was like he was relishing in their story not telling it, hard to explain but it was borderline satire of the brothers at times.

[@selcatron]

I got the impression they were inferring it was a defense strategy

[@captaingatorgirl6892]

If the Menendez Brothers were the Menendez Sisters, this would all be a totally different conversation.

[@leahj361]

I don’t know about that. Look at how Amber Heard was treated. What I take away from this is that there are deep structural mechanisms in place that make it difficult for victims of all genders to get justice in the courts of law & public opinion.

[@lstarsabb]

I wish people would stop saying this because no they wouldn’t they would be called gold diggers and lies as well.

[@camrynjuniperrose8667]

Ryan Murphy is like the Shane Dawson of tv show creators

[@abstergo06]

proud ryan murphy hater here, the only good thing he ever did was AHS and should've stick to that, he has no ethics whatsoever

[@beepboop2842]

what about pose?

[@abstergo06]

@@beepboop2842 it was okay and fun but it doesn't change anything about his issues with ethics in general, one good thing doesn't cancel one bad thing if that makes sense yk? And this case isn't the only time there were issues with his doings lmao

[@stinkyfeces8728]

And AHS varies from season to season. Some seasons were god awful. He’s a sucky director/creator.

[@c_c9422]

I have a coworker whose 19, a few weeks ago she asked me what I know about the Menendez brothers. I said I know they killed their parents and claimed sexual abuse but that was it. She started talking about how she believes they were sexually abused by their father. A few weeks later she asked me what I knew about them again, and I was like "Haha you've asked me this already." and she was like "Oh so you know about the case?" and I was like "yeah..." and she literally goes "Yeah I don't think they were sexually abused." And having remembered what she said previously I asked why. She started talking about this tv show and then said something about "new evidence from an ex-girlfriend claiming one of the boys told her they lied about it all" and I realized while she was telling me this she was watching the tv show with an airpod in. I hadn't heard of this show before that moment but because she said it's a netflix orignal and compared it to "Dahmer" and "The Act" I knew what to expect. A lot of these shows are truly just meant to sensationalize and exploit tragic real life events so I never watch them.

[@anthonyadamson4982]

I tried to understand Ryan’s POV, but all of the sensationalising resulted in the story looking like an unserious incestuous fantasy. From the kiss to the shower scene to being naked almost every episode for no clear reason other than flaunting the actors’ attractiveness. Even though he claims he wanted to capture all perspectives of the story for the show, it just made the brothers look insincere and the abuse to be fabricated with constant conflicting scenes. I found myself not sympathising with the brothers, especially Lyle, as characters despite that not being my feelings in real life so I can’t imagine this being a great introduction to those who haven’t done much research on the case.

[@Hoodeeman]

It was shallow work from Ryan. He filmed them like most directions, film attractive females. Everything was unnecessary sexual

[@lstarsabb]

I completely stop watching after I heard his response to the Erik’s criticism of the protrayal of his families trauma. How are you doing to shade people you are exploiting for your own gain and not even reach out for their side of the story?

[@RAdams-z2e]

I never saw the show I'm happy I didn't

[@MeatloafCreep]

It was super weird I couldn't finish the first episode. You're not missing anything.

[@starojunes]

yea I was planning on watching it because of Chloe Sevigny but now I'm glad I never got around to it.

[@FoundSheep-AN]

@@starojunesshe defended the peso parents saying they are not here alive to defend themselves

[@juonithzramos1089]

Ryan Murphy hasn't made a good show in literally years. I won't be watching this show because sensationalized true crime is disrespectful, insulting and demeaning. 3 words that perfectly categorize and describe Ryan Murphy.

[@debradowner8761]

These poor men have been living in prisons their whole life. Before and after incarceration.

[@mrpurple11]

I'm not from USA and wasn't aware of the existence of their story. Only because of videos talking about the case because of ACS. And because of the latest statements said by an ex member of the teen boy band Menudo that their father managed. (The same one where Ricky Martin began his career) It's very interesting as it is sad. I believe them, and I hope they get both their freedom.🙏🏼

[@spacegirlfriend42069]

after all the backlash he got from doing dahmer, he would fare a lot better if he kept his horror content fictional

[@SammiiHipster]

I read a comment saying that Ryan tried to humanise Dahmer, but dehumanised the Menéndez…

[@justheretocommentokdontwan685]

I find the fixation on the killers sexuality in part to make them more sympathetic characters in everyone of these shows to be weird, like if you were to watch the show he's made on Aaron Hernandez now knowing nothing about that case you'd assume he killed people just cause he had to repress his sexuality cause that is the shows focus. Also why show the body of the actress from poltergiest who was murdered? Why the menedez shower scenes? why include the gacy murder scene in his dahmer show? Those scenes made me more uncomfortable than anything else in these shows cause of how unnecessary they were, like there's a detachment from the fact that you are portraying real people here and maybe you should not relish in these things.

[@kathiaserrano7740]

Aaron Hernandez’s case irritated me when it came to his sexuality. Only because they never spoke to the family. Just some friends he probably hadn’t spoken to in years. And briefly noted that he may have been molested by a family friend but never investigated further.

[@MoMoStudio27]

Andy cano gave a testimony that months before the murder, Erik wrote him a letter saying his father was indeed abusing him. So Erik did tell someone and the court said Cano was lying which baffles me. And recently a man named Roy Rosselló came out saying that Jose, the boys ‘father’, potentially drugged his wine and took him to a room and r*ped him back in the mid 1980’s so the fact that multiple people knew the father was a creep and the jury still say the brother didn’t have the ‘equipment’ for sexual assault is just beyond me and they need a re-trial with the new evidence and testimonies

[@mkaylor121]

Those poor kids should not have gotten prison time like they got

[@CaulkMongler]

Ryan hasn’t been able to make anything controversial/shock factor for what seems like the last 10 years. Even as far back as the AHS series I always though he was all setup and no real follow through.

[@ResidentMilf]

I loved the early seasons of AHS but they've dropped off in quality over the years and honestly Delicate was just such a massive disappointment. Then I listened to the audiobook and was even more disappointed because the book has such great screen potential and they ruined it.

[@doublecheese21]

I stopped watching it mid way because it just felt so dramatized and fake. And it’s so fuckin weird because it has this gay incest erotica about it! Like wtf. And the fact that he lied about the incest to make it more shocking?! WHAT?! That whole case alone is sick , shocking and depressing! He didn’t need to add anything! Smh

[@honeyyb]

If Murphy had spun this as a fictional interpretation I dont think people would have been nearly as appalled and upset. His arrogance is and will be his downfall

[@TylaStark]

And when will that be? He's been like this for decades

[@julitakamaki4386]

I was already very familiar with this case when I saw the trailer. Imagine my shock and disgust at how homoerotic, incestuous and sexual the trailer was. WTF.

[@justheretocommentokdontwan685]

It's so clear he just uses these people to make whatever kind of show he wants

[@TuesdayBlueSkies]

Best thing Ryan could’ve done was requested a visit with them, asked them if he could make a show about them and ask about certain events in their lives so it could be as accurate as possible. Not creating or adding extra bits that are not true, also glamourising certain aspects. No wonder the brothers are pissed, their story was mistold.

[@anjanaunnikrishnan8636]

I want the brothers to sue him dry ngl

[@madisonallen1938]

Hey, just in case you didn’t know-the sound in this video only comes through 1 channel! Not noticeable if you aren’t wearing headphones, but definitely present

[@moustik31]

Ryan Murphy is so full of himself, it's disgusting. 😠

[@thethrowawaythatstayed7055]

I started watching it and turned it off. It was making a mockery of what those two guys were put through abuse wise. Their father was a psychopathic pedophile but it was focusing on the wealth.

[@Seven_1865]

It wasn’t a documentary and it was produced by people who aren’t known for deep informative programming. I wouldn’t expect them to have done much investigative work.

[@kayceesmith2968]

one day i will write my scathing article about ryan murphy that lists all of the bad and horrible and awful things he’s done because man is it a LIST

[@batmanlikespizza2541]

Why does Murphy act like everybody is Jodi Arias in the sense that they all just want attention and same for what they’ve done?

[@graveyardbaby669]

Ryan Murphy always has to be so damn shocking. I’m currently rewatching AHS coven and I’m like damn bro why are you so obsessed with white ppl saying the hard slur 😒

[@patriciamagana8918]

I had no idea the guy from Menudo (a band a grew up listening to because of my tias) was also a victim of the disgusting pos. I really hope the brothers get the justice they deserve. They need to be liberated. They've gone through so muc.

[@vaneira5218]

You would think he would've learned his lesson with all the backlash he got from the Dahmer series. He doesn't care about victims or the truth. I will not be watching the Ed Gein one. I'd rather do the research myself or watch it from someone who does cover the facts well.

[@BearBrews]

I love hearing what you have to say & I've been a viewer for years. I just really, really hate your audio setup. These vids mainly have left side audio that's also very echoey. It's not easy to hear you in many vids. It's been like this for ages & I've kept up with your channel for years now. Please fix it. I see soooo many comments about it

[@tofugawa4660]

Murphy had the opportunity to interview them and pull his own Truman Capote’s In Cold Blood but nah he just made a fanfic which got adapted smh

[@JackieMartin1974]

Audio is coming out weird for this video. Only showing on one side. I checked other videos and they are fine... Otherwise, Ryan Murphy needs to stop.

[@TBT707]

Ever since dahmer, I've known this guy has no respect for victims and their families.

[@leirelegarra548]

Plot twist, the real Monster is Ryan Murphy 🫢👀

[@aleecelagunas2868]

Will not be watching Monsters

[@AnonPanOn]

I was absolutely desperate for entertainment one day and watched 5 minutes of the show before pausing and researching the brothers because I thought they were abused and the show was NOT leaning into that at all.... glad I stopped watching😫

[@megan6955]

Thank you for making a video on this!!

[@Lifewithmackadesullivan]

The incest perspective that Murphy did comes from a guy that was obsessed with Erick Dominic Dunn was in love with Eric. He told several people that, but he was obsessed in a creepy way as well.

[@GiaBlinks]

I'm pretty sure that this show is an example of most historical content that came out of Hollywood ever. And, more importantly, our actual history books in schools. I'm not claiming that it's all related in a conspiratorial way, but just that humans retelling stories tend to add a bit of personal opinion, and artistic license. We have a much better view of psychology than ever before, and we're less likely to shame normal human behaviors. For example, I'm 49, and when I was in middle school we had a "special ed" classroom for what would now be the ADHD kids. Any actual special needs person wasn't integrated into "normal society" schools, they had their own schools, or didn't go at all. So, if you had any sort of learning disability, it was unlikely that you, or your parents, would even say anything because it meant that you'd be put into the special ed room with the kids who had something wrong with them. So, my point is, how can we ever trust what anyone thaought was acceptable to put into history books when so much judgment, bias, and lying occurs just to save face? Apart from the actual facts, such as dates, it's probably more fiction than we ever imagined. I happen to love Ryan Murphy's storytelling, and this show is entertaining. Quentin Tarantino included the Manson Family in his film, and that wasn't factual either. None of that negates the fact that the Menendez brothers deserve another chance with our current psychology standatds as a foundation.

[@brittneyveach]

How about he focuses on making AHS good again instead of profiting on people’s trauma…

[@neivilde.1242]

it's like, sure, in a vacuum , with no real life context, the show is good, but i just can't separate it from the real life impact it has, and it grosses me out. plus, at least the incest theory, despite having no place there IMO, is framed as just a theory, it's not mean to be taken as truth, but there is a scene in episode 2 between the brothers that is fully just there to be sexual and get people to talk about the show, and it's just so gross to me that it's included. i hear the law and order version of the story was better handled in terms of factual information and realism, and from watching episode one, it's already way different vibes

[@sm00rezd]

just the person i needed to see speaking on this.

[@Blue-dc3rh]

You are absolutely right!!

[@lizchesley6028]

You’d think Ryan Murphy would’ve learned from the Dahmer series, but I guess not. Idk why he has to use these very real names/crimes of people in real life.

[@sarahschirato6700]

After watching the whole show, it's pretty clear to me that most if not all of what's shown is supposed to be understood to have never happened. The series shows a bunch of versions of what could have happened based on what the brothers said at different points along the way, or what various people theorized could have happened. It's clear by the end of the show that the point wasn't to show what actually happened, but to make the point that no one besides the brothers will ever know the truth. And I think that's an important point that the critics of the show (like the family) obviously missed. (That's not to defend the director in not speaking to the brothers. I think he should have. But i think people are deliberately misreading the show and misrepresenting its message based on the fact that it includes false information, which is kind of the point.)

[@Trobtwillis]

Good video, Ms. Glare. Good commentary. 👍🏾

[@dadsocksss]

People need to look more closely at Ryan Murphy shows. He wrote incredibly transphobic story lines and then would have trans actors play them. Dude is NOT a good guy and he doesn’t give a shit about the pain he causes.

[@gabbytheartfriend]

I think my interest in true crime is less “I wish I had the killer’s side of things” and more “I wish the killer had spoken with a therapist whose view might shed light on why they became what they did.” I don’t really want to hear from the killer in most circumstances, my motive comes from wanting to learn more about the human mind and the ways it can be twisted.

[@anonymiss2000]

Off topic but I noticed your last two videos audio has only been coming out through one of my earbuds 😅

[@ClareThePear]

Cry only getting this in my left headphones 😢

[@wendywendy8157]

I don’t think the incest was presented as fact - throughout the series, they would sort of "play out" different versions, making the events look different each time. But I completely agree that it's wild no family members were involved or interviewed, and the show definitely leaned toward the "liars and sociopaths" narrative, especially towards the end of the series. I had never heard anything about this before, and after watching the series alone, I would have concluded there was no abuse and that they invented everything. So I’m not sure what he’s talking about when he says it’s "the best thing that happened." It also felt like they intentionally excluded the family's support from the "plot". At one point, the family seems concerned and hires a lawyer, but their screen time fades, giving the impression that the brothers didn’t have any support. It leaves a very bad impression. I don’t care to rewatch the series to look for further proof, but the creator clearly had their own conclusion about what happened and wove it into the show. I’m glad for the internet, because with all the information I see now, I can at least retroactively form my doubts about the certainty with which the series presents its "answer" to what happened with the brothers.

[@rileybear836]

You thinking true crime enthusiast want to hear all sides of a story is being VERY generous

[@kanamelovegackt]

I did finish the show just yesterday, and while i don't think it's a moral thing to present the real boys in a movie without them actively being involved in their own portrayal, i somehow still saw it as a movie, i genuinely did not end up with a guilty/not guilty verdict in my mind, and am genuinely interested in an ACTUAL documentary. The incest part i honestly found it being introduced more because it has a shock value and just as a theory, i didn't feel the movie said "this is what ACTUALLY happened" but more like "this is what was speculated and we're going to show it to you so you can clutch your pearls and remember this movie". I do find it disrespectful for him to not speak to the boys but i guess he already thought he had all the "facts" because of their court hearings snd whatever else there is out there that they spoke on. Anyway, if anything this made me more interested in this case because ultimately i couldn't finish the movie with a clear opinion.

[@betti76]

I feel the same. I’m waiting for the brothers documentary coming out soon, but this one, with the dramatization and the family reaction… no, it’s a pass for me too.

[@staceyboomboom8031]

I bet Ryan Murphy is a name that comes up in the Diddy case....

[@DOGY4RD]

I was uncomfortable with this movie the very first time I saw a trailer but hadnt seen anyone talking about that till now, im glad it wasn't just me

[@saranaila5905]

The audacity of this man is outrageous, how can you with a good conscious claim ro know someone's perspective yet make no effort to talk to them directly??? The case is very famous it wouldn't have taken much to gather public attention to new evidence in my opinion and even then what he did is still disgusting. These are living people and he's handling their life story and trauma like with no care and no consideration. Like any other fictional movie script. I didn't watch the first season and I'm definitely not watching this one, like you said if the family and people directly involved are slaming it then i have absolutely no interest in it.

[@ReeCrowsFray]

I’m absolutely shocked at how many ppl truly believe that his show is a legit documentary. It blew my mind how much ppl just believe the nonsense and won’t time the time to even watch one hour of the actual trial. This is dangerous beyond belief

[@JadeGraf]

Unreal.

[@rileybear836]

Need to see this vid as I’m currently watching the show

[@lou4179]

yea i thought some of those clips of the movie looked suspect like certain semi nude scenes looked gratuitous and like they were eye candy for a less conscientious audience, which is unfortunately the majority these days. i mean just learning the little bit i have learned recently about these brothers i couldn’t see how the movie showed them or what they went thru respect

[@_primalpilatesprincess]

I watched the show before this information came out that the family was against the show. And let me tell you, even before watching the netflix show, when All I knew about the boys was 1. They were abused 2. Their father did it and their mother knew. 3. They DID commit the crime 4. There was an instance where Lyle abused Eric. I KNEW they were doing it in selfe defense

[@dubiouswretch]

Great breakdown of the situation. I'm quite curious about your opinion of Elephant if you ever watched that Gus Van Sant film. It's been like 20 years but I remember a shower scene which wasn't incest but the fact that the movie was obviously based on Columbine ( unofficially) was quite uncomfortable, like he inserted gay erotica into his film about a massacre of mostly schoolkids.

[@jessicawilson8240]

Please tell me I'm not the only one that only got one audio channel for this video and my speakers are fine lol

[@JuPaschoal]

This is the second Giulia video in which there's sound only on my right earphone...what's up with that?

[@Thisisntevenyourchannel]

The decision to not talk to the brothers isn’t truly shocking…maybe I watched a different show but I think we got the story completely unbiased from all sides. Ryan took information from therapy notes, the trials, the recordings from the book Norma wrote, interviews with the boys from around the time it happened, hearsay (he made it obvious when it was hearsay like the shower scene). Not interviewing the brothers may have been in an effort to not develop a bias towards them. We were presented with all sides. And unpopular opinion, The truth is, we know their perspective they’ve said it multiple times. There’s hourssss of the brothers talking about what happened. Both of their whole trials are on KZbin. Their full testimonies are on KZbin. That is there perspective. Therapy recordings from Ozeil. That is their perspective. The only thing different now would be “their perspective: thirty years later.” But Ryan was making a show about them and their mindset at the time they were young adults so their perspective on these now as a reflection of middle aged adults would’ve skewed and been different and not as authentic to who they were as teenagers because they’ve had time to grow and develop. (Same way as you probably would’ve done, acted, said, things differently if you knew what you know now at 30 or whatever rather than 13) and Ryan didn’t imply the boys committing incest was fact, the shower scene was a portrayal of a rumor Dunn heard. He had other scene in the show that we aren’t to take as law either. JUST LIKE he included a death scene where the boys got shot by their parents which we Know isn’t what happened. It’s just a portrayal of what the boys thought would happen. There are also two shooting scenes. One where the boys go in to shoot their parents through the front door when they are awake watching tv. Another presented during the second case when they are sleeping. We also got multiple boat scenes at through out the series all portraying the boys acting differently. Scared in the first scene, enjoying themselves in the second, and plotting in the third (last scene.) this isn’t a “this is exactly what happened” show at least imo. It’s a “this is all the information we have. I’m presenting it to you all at once. Facts, hearsay, recordings, notes. Here’s all of it. You decide what you believe.” Show

[@ImmortalNidhogg]

Nobody wants due process.

[@debradowner8761]

I was pretty versed on the case before Monsters came out, I was so excited but as soon as the story stopped following what I believed to be true, I couldn't continue watching. Which is too bad, the acting and producing was top notch. Would of been way more compelling if it was the truth and not random assumptions. Ryan Murphy has victimized them AGAIN. Their own documentary would of brought this back into the light regardless of his stupid show.

[@kewlkate1]

I am so glad you posted, I got so happy! 🥰 also yeah I’m refusing to watch lol

[@Ms.Laterholmes5253]

Yeah, and I wouldn’t necessarily agree that they would lose he would lose two hours of his life. I believe it would be part of your documentary so it would be part of your job to do your due diligence to go in there and interview them otherwise I think we all could do that, right Thanks again for the time and energy you put in appreciate it happy Fukn Monday

[@libbylou9318]

This is literally an episode of black mirror. Like literally in the last season! Ironic that it’s on Netflix.

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

Watch the real trial guys .. those boys were severely abused .. Nobody can act that kind of grief if they’re lying !

[@philskrzyn]

He made 911? that explains so much, I thought it was satirical when I saw a trailer

[@SharkFishFace]

I saw a single poster for the movie and knew it would be hot garbage.

[@AmarisFrede]

Lets be real, he put that shower scene in to have two hot actors shmusing. Maybe as a fetish, to bait people (rage, queer, other), or just because he wanted to try such a scene (before using one in a different movie).

[@AngelAPAVLOVSCornDog]

I'm not watchi g the show..but I'm here for the commentary 👀🍿🧂