2025 Teslas Are Getting Worse | These Downgrades Aren't Fair

[@electricandlspower]

I personally like the stalks

[@phillm156]

Everyone liked them… except Tesla!

[@LordHarryWotton]

I test drove my first EV and Tesla the other day, it was stalk-less. It really just took a few minutes to get used to and then it wasn't an issue.

[@Travlinmo]

I was happy my 2025 Model Y had the stalks. For someone going from a Prius to a Tesla, it made a smaller change.

[@phillm156]

@@LordHarryWotton I rest drove a model 3, drove it for a day. There were many occasions when I needed to use the turn signal, but the steering wheel was not straight, because of the angle of the road and or vehicle, I had to look to see which button to use. Several times, the steering wheel was nearly upside down and I had to guess which one was correct. Innovation should be an improvement, not a styling statement. Form should always follow function.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

yes too much is on the screen now. EU test data shows that fiddling with the screen makes your response time on par with a stoner driving. Give me stalks, some buttons for the A/C and lights & ill keep my eyes on the road in front.

[@punchbuggy5192]

My big gripe is the removal of ultrasonic sensors and failure to add a rain sensor. Sensors are still more effective that Tesla Vision, and their return would suppliment Vision as a corroborative input (similar to Boeing's solution for the 737 Max). Vision still isn't good with depth while parking - it's like us walking around with one eye closed - and I regularly get dry swipes by wipers when shadows or sunlight hits the camera.

[@kazz1896]

No there not! FSD is better than ever with Tesla vision!

[@punchbuggy5192]

@@kazz1896 I wasnt referencing FSD... Regardless, you're welcome to your opinion.

[@jakec5618]

No indicator stalks is a horrible move.

[@BB-qp5xo]

I actually prefer no stalks. After one day it's better. used to it now

[@lennonwhitehead1352]

Indicator stalks are a stupid move.

[@JoonaLeeviHannaSami]

This actually is seen in the road allready. There are some Teslas, who do not indicate when leaving roundabout even it is mandatory safety thing. When seeing Tesla is not indicating the turn from roundabout I usually see what it was and most often it is a new model 3. Model Y's indicate normally so it must be the stalks.

[@gordoncampbell7120]

Have you tried it? I just got a model 3, it's fine, got used to it in days.

[@david100483]

No stalks, no mobile connector, no radar, no passenger lumbar support, no rear cargo cover, no home link, no buttons…what’s next? 🤔 I’m really surprised there’s no regulation against removing turn signal stalks

[@freddymax5256]

No steering wheel, no pedals.

[@nickdanger4173]

There should be.

[@DDIFCC]

our future doesn't look very safe with trump and Elon removing safety regulations to increase the bottom line.

[@Sal3600]

as if you were going to buy fsd package lol. btw it's better than ever without radar.

[@samsaek666]

The one regulation that actually exists is the hazards button had to be an actual button. Otherwise everything else is fair game

[@ThorRavnsborg]

From someone who has driven a Model 3 Highland for six months the gear shifting on the screen actually isn't much of a problem. It works ok and most of the times (although far from always) it will correctly select the right gear when you get in the car and press the brake pedal. The indicator buttons on the other hand are a nightmare. I still often fail to indicate when I exit smaller roundabouts and it removes my attention from the road every time I have to find the right button while turning the steering wheel. This solution should not be legal. It also drives me nuts when the car suddenly feels the need to take over braking or steering for no apparent reason. And I can't even turn that crap off. By the way Elon Musk has also been a huge source of frustration for me since I bought the car (our second Tesla btw.) so I can confidently say that I'm buying a different brand next time.

[@van_alan_folk]

The braking issue I have in a 2022 honda CRV as well. Typically when someone is turning off the main road, I have room to pass but the car still brakes. Super frustrating, and im sure in 10 years the software/hardware will be so faulty its going to cause a lot of issues making the car virtually undriveable. Now Tesla does run updates so they might not have the same issues but frustrating none the less.

[@Peter-y5y9i]

@@van_alan_folk My 2016 ICE Tiguan exactly the same. It's radar, not visual. And if it rains heavily, I have no auto braking at all.

[@engr.scotty]

A software update removed defrost for the main screen and buried it under menus. Their excuse was they were cleaning the interface and no one used defrost(in southern California) so they removed it. Digging through menus when one cant see out of the windshield was a bad idea for a company which prioritizes safety. They added it back a few months later (probably after a NHTSA investigation).

[@drnick40]

Less gimmicks, lower prices. That’s what we need as long as the quality and the reliability is improving.

[@tshd4B2ZNWS]

and lower quality

[@jonessmith2068]

Just as I predicted a few years back Tesla is turning into just another car company! No more cutting edge innovation making the other companies panic. Nope now its just another exercise in how much can we remove and charge more money for the car! I was on the fence about buying a Tesla but the more I hear about this, plus the crappy service and build quality, the more I say I'll take a hard pass on Tesla.

[@sandmehlig]

With capacitive buttons on the steering wheel most user input is error - so Elon's prediction was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[@Sal3600]

they're actually real buttons now. much safer than stalks.

[@sandmehlig]

@@Sal3600 On the Tesla homepage in the Model 3 2024 owners manual Driving->Steering Wheel is an info-box stating: "Note Some controls on the steering wheel are capacitive buttons, meaning they do not have a physical switch, but respond to touch and provide haptic feedback (as a vibration). Do not rest your fingers on them unless intended. Unintentionally touching these buttons can enable or disable them. If a button is mistakenly enabled, remove your fingers from the switches for several seconds to resume normal operation." In the picture above there is no indication that the indicators are real buttons.

[@Sal3600]

@@sandmehlig I have a 2024 tesla model 3 highland. I can confirm there are zero capacitive touch buttons. Note: I said "now" in my original comment meaning newer models.

[@sandmehlig]

@@Sal3600 I wonder why Tesla would not update their Model 3 owner's manual.

[@cheezeandcrackers]

I'd rather have a screen behind the steering wheel vs in the back seat. Any family that can afford a Tesla will have a tablet for each child. They aren't going to watch an awkwardly placed screen for 3 hours on a road trip.

[@van_alan_folk]

I feel like my neck would hurt after a bit watching on that screen. Looks cool, functionally unnecessary. If they wanted to add entertainment systems, the classic screen in the back of the seat would make sense.

[@alastairhatt360]

It’s more than a screen to watch movies or videos. It controls the AC etc for the back seat occupants. You can use your own iPads or laptops as there are ports for these also. You have options.

[@paulvail7926]

@@alastairhatt360but how much more? I mean, does it make more sense to simply put those controls up front, then allow an app to give people rear seat controls? Then use that money to, let’s say, put in a turn signal stalk? Or perhaps a driver’s instrument cluster.

[@cheezeandcrackers]

@@alastairhatt360 You don't need a screen to control. Nobody was asking for a screen there. Just like nobody is asking for push button turn signals. A lot of people want a screen behind the steering wheel, even a very basic one.

[@cuda426hemi]

@@cheezeandcrackers People love the entertainment screen in the rear; plus it's functional - what other mfg has that? As far as tablets for kids? NO. Do your job, it's a road trip. Ford, Jobs and Elon got to be where they were/are because they know people don't know what they want and literally proved it. I think there is a Kia for you though.

[@jimadams2113]

They should have kept the radar, a vision system cannot see through fog.

[@medhurstt]

Radar has bad resolution and cant make out features of things ahead and cant provide context. Dont run into that car! Oh wait the road turns...Ultimately its the software that decides on courses of action and if the situation and object ahead cant be determined, having the sensor is counter productive. The best solution is to simply drive at a speed that allows for safe actions given the visibility and that can best be achieved by vision alone.

[@alastairhatt360]

If you can’t see through it drive accordingly. Don’t rely on the systems to do it for you all the time, you are still in control so use the cars tech as a assistant not the solution.

[@Resist4]

@@alastairhatt360 Well obviously but the cars should see way more than we do and seeing through fog or heavy rain is what sensors would do. But I say forget radar and use FLIR.

[@PhillProbst]

The removal of the stalks was a MAJOR BONEHEAD MOVE. With stalks, I can operate lights and wipers by feel ... now I have to take my eyes off the road to search for the respective steering wheel "buttons" (not really buttons). Now I'll have to resort to the aftermarket to fix this error. Bummer!!! 👎 ☹️ Just to be clear, I do not have "mixed" feelings on this issue. Let us go to FIRST PRINCIPLES. TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR CONTROLS IN A MOVING VEHICLE!! TACTILELY IDENTIFIABLE PHYSICAL CONTROLS ARE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE OPTION.!!! On this issue Elon and Franz need to get their heads out of their respective asses and get a clue. Minimalism is the fundamental fatal flaw in Tesla's design ethos. Also, the 3 and Y need to incorporate either the driver oriented instrument panel of the S & X or they need to incorporate a HUD. Period. Full stop. This is not a debate, it is a statement of fact!

[@U2B_Viewer]

Why are you buying a car that can drive for you if you're gonna complain about needing to drive?

[@jeremyventurino9481]

I have a plaid and see no value in the stalks. I operate everything just fine with the wheel controls and voice. Plus, I rarely have to even change gears. Stalks ARE NOT needed, and I see that now. Been driving this way for 3 years now.

[@wxkat]

It’s more fun when you use a car that HAS stalks and switch back and forth. I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf and an M3, and when I switch between the two I find myself instinctively reaching for stuff in the M3 that isn’t there.

[@joechera4419]

What you say is a “statement of fact” is not a statement of fact. Also, “period” and “full stop” are redundant.

[@soundnutz]

In beginning of tesla the need to save $ in production was main reason tesla didn't give sound reduction material / glass/stalks good stereo and ride quality was all sacrificed to sell cheapest possible . Most people want hud and stalks because of years of conditioned driving experience. The only real reason people want tesla is hope of fsd that is not yet complete...less is not more and alot of interior living is. Bad compared to compared 40k car. I truly believe Tesla may 1 day deliver a true autonomous car but has over promised and under delivered for decade or more .

[@keitha.9788]

Lumbar support does make a huge difference in passenger comfort once it is adjusted. Normally you don't need to change it...

[@xJI00]

Exactly. How can they say it’s not needed when it’s set and forget. Primary passengers don’t change much but the driver might switch a bit more.

[@Trust_but_Verify]

Tesla can no longer detect 2 cars in front has slowed down? It was a cool safety feature. I cannot rely on auto vision to park if Tesla is not going to be responsible with damages.

[@jimsherod8786]

yeah, don't trust the autopark. It doesn't always work.

[@dipperq]

gear shifter removal is the reason i did not buy a a Tesla

[@JosephWolfgram]

Meh… it’s better without the stalks. The new auto shift works amazing.

[@patrutherford9600]

I go back from the cybertruck to my wife or my brothers tesla and the stocks are a nuisance. its pretty trivial but just what you get comfortable with

[@CarlBlack]

@@JosephWolfgramExactly! So much easier not having to do anything with your hands to shift. And of course they didn’t remove the shifter: it’s actually in two locations now.

[@daguzify]

Same

[@mickydee26]

Well there is no gearbox so there's nothing to shift. it kind of makes sense

[@shuashua958]

I keep waiting for a Tesla that is just a battery on wheels. No cameras, no auto clever stuff, small or no screen, etc.

[@BooleanDev]

not happening

[@iaskcaasim7634]

Sometimes Ryan, you appear to excuse Tesla's behavior due to its need to make a bigger profit. We have noticed that you often side with it or minimizes the impact of charges in its 😮products. It's a pattern to look at as Tesla doesn't need a pass when it comes to its failure to meet a customer centered approach.

[@iaskcaasim7634]

Thus it does not give an objective point of view. It's getting hard to listen to you as you are more Tesla aligned and not given the customer centered advice or guidance

[@rossac9221]

Thanks for mentioning the 12v accessories issue, TESLA NEEDS TO FIX IT !!!!!!

[@ilexjin]

Agree with you on the indicator stalk… bring it back until self-driving isn’t supervised.

[@chriswright2306]

also fix it, the indicator stalks are terrible...i can never tell whether the indicator has engaged.

[@van_alan_folk]

I wanted to get a tesla for around town and I still might get one, but I dont want the political smoke or the feeling that the luxury is getting removed or stalks/gear shifts getting removed just to pad Musks margin to make stock go up. If im in my car im driving somewhere, not playing games. What a tainted name, and such a shame.

[@Resist4]

And Elon is to blame. All he had to do was run Tesla and stay out of the lime light. Not he acts like a 12 year old online, just like his orange buddy.

[@speedy0]

Left and right button of steering wheel is a bad design as majority of other car makers continue use lever. Creating a frustrating users switching between Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles.

[@jeremyventurino9481]

I switch frequently with no issues. But I get it. Imagine moving to another country and you have to adapt to the steering wheel on the wrong side ;) Just takes a couple weeks to get used to.

[@JosephWolfgram]

No biggie… used to it quickly. Plus, the car does 97% of my driving for me now. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@patrutherford9600]

yea I don't get it. took a drive or two to get used to. and car does most of the driving anyhow. certainly will accelerate in the future.

[@snowkie]

Can someone explain what was wrong with the turning stalk? It’s the perfect design; intuitive, always in position and doesn’t need to be looked at to operate. EVs have enough challenges without creating solutions to non-existent problems.

[@X-boomer]

It’s NOT OK to remove features from my car after I’ve bought it

[@pragsmo916]

Tesla just removed the “Minimize lane change” feature for FSD. This sucks cuz FSD is so aggressive with lane changes, and I almost don’t feel comfortable using FSD now

[@CarlBlack]

Why not use Chill mode instead of Standard or Hurry?

[@jimsherod8786]

I agree. The damn car changes lanes for no reasons and it is really irritating at times.

[@nitind]

@@CarlBlackit still wants to change lanes when in Chill.

[@Resist4]

@@CarlBlack he probably doesn't have FSD v13.

[@frecklesx20]

Doesn’t help for winter driving with full regen on slippery roads.

[@Diablodelsol]

I know hardcore Tesla fans harp on this guy for what sounds like negative talk. But you're paying the same price for a car that 4 years ago had every feature for the same price that is now gone in the current model(s). If Tesla is saving money in cost cutting features then why shouldn't the buyer see the same in return? Less costs for Tesla should mean less cost for me too, right? But no, it's not the same for the buyer. So yes, some critical feedback should be heard.

[@jeremyventurino9481]

@@Diablodelsol the modern cars have more powerful hardware, better cameras, thicker glass, quieter cabins, better stereos, and better fit/finish. They added heated steering wheel, power trunk, better suspension, back seat screen, blind spot led, better screen, better headlights etc etc. fact is, you're getting a lot more for your $ these days, and you lose parking sensors, radar, and stalks. Seems like a fair trade to me to keep the cost down in a time where everything is skyrocketing in price.

[@jdudleyh]

There are a lot more market factors involved in pricing (interest rate, inflation, supplier pricing/logistics, ...). Real-time, regional supply and demand is the primary determinist for pricing. Cutting costs can also be to benefit the margin/company.

[@JustinKrux]

@@jeremyventurino9481 its also important to note, your losing the hardware, but not the features any of it was capable off, the car still detects objects, the car still parks itself, the car still has indicators obviously.

[@platniumdr]

Honestly I don't see the issue with these changes. I purchased a standard range model 3 in October of 2020, and recently upgraded to the 2025 long range model 3 and as @jeremyventurino9481 said, it's an improvement across the board. Not only that, but the 2025 version was less money out the door despite inflation, though offset by the tax credit which wasn't around in 2020. So not only is it a superior car, but it also has 140 more miles of range for less, which is pretty wild considering the average new car price in the US has increased from 39k in 2020 to 48k this year. If it was the exact same car as it used to be you'd have a point, but the new models 3s are greatly improved.

[@AnomalousAnomaly]

Button turn signal isn't a big deal at all. Just drove it today. It's fine. After 1 day you won't care. Beautiful car, super quiet.

[@tshd4B2ZNWS]

all EVs are quiet

[@AnomalousAnomaly]

​​​@@tshd4B2ZNWS Thank you captain obvious. I was talking about the NVH.. suspension, ride quality, interior quality.. it's all really nice in the new model. It goes over bumps and rough roads with ease and keeps things very quiet inside.

[@olemissjim]

I was worried about the lost stalks, but in a day it’s actually better than the old way

[@MartyInLa]

I have to totally disagree and yes I actually own a 2024 Tesla.

[@patrice169]

déni ou fanatique ? la suppression du commodo est une horreur dans les ronds-points, une aberration inadmissible ! on ne les met plus, repousse ma femme de conduire la voiture... mon seul regret sur la highland 2024 !

[@dropshot1967]

Tesla's minimalism was attractive but, lately, I find it going too far. The stalks are especially a dealbreaker for me. I can not afford a Tesla, but if I ever come into some money, a Tesla as it is now won't be my choice.

[@dvader3263]

Yes, a lot of elderly people were unable to adapt from dial and push-button landline desk phones because they were unable to figure out how to operate a buttonless smart phone.

[@donaldduck5731]

@@dvader3263 You don’t need three arms and hands to operate a buttonless smart phone whereas to turn a Tesla’s steering wheel under control according to the Highway Code and be able to indicate at all times you would do. It’s kinda obvious really, trying to make out it’s an age thing, presumably implying your young and can learn quickly is just dumb.

[@jimsherod8786]

Totally agree. Put the stalks back in Tesla. What a bonehead move.

[@Resist4]

While I don't like it, no stalks isn't a dealbreaker for me. What is a bigger issue is Elon's childish behavior on social media and now his nose all into politics. A CEO needs to run their company and stop acting like an idiot for the world to see. If he can't focus on Tesla then he needs to let someone else run it.

[@nickdanger4173]

I like my new (to me) 2020 M3. The parts I like least are the ones that Tesla is doubling down on. I want more regen options, not none. I want conventional controls fro lights, wipers and turn signals, and a physical control for shifting. Can't afford physical controls but can afford to put a screen in the back seat that no one will ever use? Hopefully other manufacturers will up their game without mindlessly following Tesla's lead on this stuff. For me, the sum total of these changes would be a deal breaker for me buying a new Tesla.

[@Sal3600]

I'd rather a screen in the back than old people's stalks.

[@petemiller519]

Removing stalks is crazy. I would rather have smaller wheels with stalks to make up for the expense of the stalks.

[@treborheminway3814]

When a company stops listening to its customers, they typically fail. Nobody likes everything in a screen. It's dangerous until full self driving is 99.99 % fail safe. Then you can ditch them, not before.

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

Removal of what is left of muscle memory switches and stalks will prevent me from buying another tesla no matter how much I like the car. Its been a year and a half and 35,000 perfect electric miles but I still miss the controls my BMWs had. Less is better should only go so far and in the case of new Teslas its gone too far.

[@freddymax5256]

You gotta use that muscle between your ears.

[@dbradley65]

Are you still driving a stick shift then? That was more of an adjustment for me than the blinker controls.

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

@@dbradley65 One of my cars yes but thats not even close to the same thing.

[@Sal3600]

using your thumbs is also muscle memory. it's safer too. you dinosaurs are clinging to the past.

[@wxkat]

I’ve found that it’s easy to get confused with the turn signals when you have the steering wheel upside down or if you aren’t paying conscious attention. I once made a left turn while inadvertently signaling right at the time.

[@tylerdurden6917]

🙄 that’s a you problem not Tesla bud

[@vermontsownboy6957]

For that, you're going to hell.

[@georgewashington3012]

@@tylerdurden6917No, he makes a good point. Humans are less prone to make a mistake if the turn signal mechanism doesn’t change in positioning. Same thing with the dumb horn button…that could get someone killed. Don’t be defensive based on brand identity. Think critically. Same goes for politics, religion, etc.

[@tylerdurden6917]

@@georgewashington3012 bud I was able to adapt pretty easily, I never once made that same mistake which means it’s a u problem, if I can adapt to it so can u & if u don’t like it then tough

[@abbcc555]

People here have given up signaling completely. Tesla's are pretty hated for that.

[@waynekurt162]

Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed. The passenger lumbar isn’t adjusted much, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t used, as my usual passenger (my wife) has it adjusted where she prefers it. I can’t believe we put up with awful automatic wiper function for $1/car cost saving.

[@jdudleyh]

"Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed." While you may still have the USS, they are no longer used by the vehicle's software. As far as the lumbar, most people only need to set it once and then they never fiddle with it again. Of course there are exceptions and cases where different people use the same seat and require different adjustments.

[@waynekurt162]

@@jdudleyh My brother bought a sensor less Model Y in 2023. I often drive it. I assure you my software is using the sensors. My car accurately displays the distances as I pull into my garage. His car is surrounded by a swirl of colors and less accurate numbers. What stopped being used by the software is radar.

[@jimsherod8786]

yes, really Tesla.... $1 fix for the wipers!!!!

[@atti56]

18:37 Turning of the 12V once the car in sleep mode is extremely discouraging especially running a fridge in the car. Time to sue Tesla for this major function removal since this major function of the car is tyrannically removed. People need to raise their voices to force back this function

[@kens97sto171]

Stalk removal, lack of USS, or at least a 360 camera setup. Even a Bolt EV has 360 cameras and USS in the rear bumper at least. The stalks are a deal killer for me... use my signals 500 times per day... drive 300 miles per day in the city.. Why should I have a lesser car that is a pain to drive just so Tesla can save a couple bucks.. If there is an aftermarket fix. I would consider it.

[@dboucher26]

I would always want my cars to have stalks. I'm currently in a Model Y, but I might have to get a Lucid in the future when it's time to change vehicles.

[@Bluepeter62]

No stalks would be fine if the hub of the steering wheel would be fixed. This would be easy and cheap to do. You only need to turn the rim. It would also look cool.

[@dyeace]

No stalks no buy

[@dkoford2]

Have you tried it for more than 30 minutes?

[@freddymax5256]

My Grampa said that about reins when automobiles replaced horses.

[@lawrenceralph7481]

Sometimes Elon ingests hubris inducing substances. In his fog he sometimes dictates instead of thinks. Human input is more important than automatic functions, because I am the director of my life. Not him.

[@vevenaneathna]

radar cant be substituted with cameras. fog and heavy rain will always be better handled with radar or thermal. thermal sensors are getting pretty cheap now, i think tesla should add a forward looking thermal camera like cadalac did with the raython sensors back in the day

[@Sal3600]

who has a better system than Tesla fsd right now? no one. this is without radar. The over that's really good (waymo) is stacked with sensors and relies on highly accurate geofenced mapping. never to be purchased buy the consumer.

[@medhurstt]

Re: fog and heavy rain will always be better handled with radar or thermal Low vision situations necessitate slow driving. There are situations where vision is the only option such as stop signs or traffic lights and so the car has to perform with its lowest common denominator which is vision. Anything faster is necessarily dangerous. Besides radar is a rubbish sensor in terms of resolution of object recognition and tells you nothing about the road ahead. Is the car the radar sees on the same side of the road or on the opposite side of the road around a corner? Relying on radar in that case is counter productive and likely to re-introduce phantom braking.

[@Sal3600]

@@medhurstt Have you seen v13 fsd? no one else compares. My point is its working without radar.

[@medhurstt]

@@Sal3600 I agree. I was replying to the OP, not you. Elon was correct removing radar and he's still right about lidar IMO.

[@nealpitts9147]

Worth mentioning the removal of ultrasound sensors (USS). Even on cars that have them, they disabled them via software

[@vroomzy1]

A rain sensor would be nice :)

[@BlackwoodMountainMan]

Re stalk removal. Turning buttons just bearable but not as good as stalk. I stuck a luminous dot next to left turning signal ( RHD model ) to reduce confusion when the steering wheel is upside down leaving a roundabout Gear selection without a stalk is pretty good , especially for automatic forward or reverse selection but in an emergency when you need reverse quickly ( car in front rolling back towards you at traffic lights ) it is much slower. Access to high and low beam is not as good as a stalk and often requires you to divert your vision from the road. With stalks the controls are always in the same accessible spot , unlike buttons which change with the movement of the steering wheel. You get used to no stalks , but in many situations it is not as good and is a distraction to safe driving. Still love my M3 P though.

[@Tyququa]

People in the comments from the Tesla community are exactly what makes it hard to be a proud owner. There is nothing wrong with Ryan posting this video, it is informational and some people may not know. And to say he has been negative to Tesla is a lie, his channel is mainly based on Tesla content and he has always had a clear bias for Tesla. Which I have never been the most fond of! You guys are ridiculous.

[@Deetroiter]

He’s simply reporting what is. If these people have a problem with Tesla, they should call them…oh, wait. You can’t.

[@Sal3600]

i haven't read a single comment off what you're implying??? you are all wrong about stalks though.

[@MichaelMacintire0]

I think “all input is error” means “the car should know what to do without input from the user.”

[@raulsuazo5015]

They also removed the rear middle seat heater

[@ericwillden7906]

As one of the very first TM3LR/Dual Motor owners in Texas, I was given full lifetime premium connectivity package. When they recently 'took away' slacker radio... well, mine is still working! lol. Even though I was prepared to switch over to use my KZbin premium account, or Prime music... But so far, I haven't had to. Strange.

[@Resist4]

You still have it because as Tesla has said, the older vehicles are grandfathered in.

[@tylermoser6706]

Bring physical buttons back

[@dougmanck4149]

Bumper USS absolutely needed to bring Tesla's parking features up to the standards of 15 year old ICE vehicles

[@greghudson9717]

$85 for a parcel shelf? What a bargain compared to the AU$650 we have to pay in Australia !

[@realMenwa]

Tesla vision makes FSD unusable with weather >= light mist at highway speeds.

[@nickdanger4173]

Hey, Elon. If you are really serious about turning all the driving over to AI, I have a great way to save money. Use batteries and motors that do 0-60 in 15 seconds and top out at 85 mph. That would be a lot cheaper than your current drive train and the robots never go faster than that. People who actually enjoy driving are not going to want your autonomous robotaxi cars anyway.

[@kriss.8535]

Tesla cutting corners while other manufacturers are stepping up their game.

[@rippleyunicorn7321]

Parcel shelf is still included. Just took delivery of a 25 MY.

[@ryknoll3]

Same. '25 MYLR delivered mid-November, still has parcel shelf included.

[@Resist4]

Are you saying a KZbinr put out incorrect information? lol

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Interesting that Tesla removed the radar while a number of Autopiloted Tesla have collided with overturned cars and trucks in the dark, where the driver or the Autopilot could not see the object and hit them head on (in some cases causing loss of life). I am glad that neither Ships, Boats and Aircraft have not remove radar, as visibility is never a given when driving a car, piloting an aircraft or boat.

[@jeremyventurino9481]

Rip Kobe. Radar could have saved him. In all reality, these systems people try to rely on are really just a crutch. They have value, but all major manufacturers have radar for cruise control etc and people still wreck their cars. Having a radar sensor won't stop your Toyota from hitting a wall, barrier, or overturned vehicle. None of these systems have been perfected. If you drive blind through a fog relying on a sensor to tell you it's safe, then you have to be willing to accept the risk.

[@r1w1h1]

Amen

[@JosephWolfgram]

I’m not sure the very rare instances of hitting an overturned car in the dark is worth the noise-to-signal ratio that radar introduces to video all the rest of the time.

[@TecnamTwin]

​​@@jeremyventurino9481 A competent pilot would have saved him. Pure vision means if YOU can't drive or see objects, neither should the car be expected to. If conditions are bad outside, don't drive or expect to be driven.

[@dbradley65]

@@JosephWolfgram I'm not sure how neither the vision nor the driver missed an object such as that. Yes, it's night, but the headlights work pretty well.

[@jeffhanson8216]

I don’t miss the stalks, but it should be optional at purchase. For those needing a referral code, I have mine in my KZbin bio!

[@kevinc-727]

How does Tesla Vision work in fog? Fog is when pile-up crashes happen because only radar can see through fog

[@JosephWolfgram]

The cameras are tuned to see much better than we can in fog, snow, darkness, etc. I can tell when driving in heavy fog and look at front camera view from my Cybertruck. Amazing visibility.

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

It doesn't, it will give up and tell you to drive in severely reduced visibility.

[@martinta1989]

Can't talk about new teslas, but my M3 LR goes blind, and basically doesen't work in any of the following conditions and combinations: Fog, Heavy Rain, Light rain and dark. What makes the above an even bigger issue is that one pedal drive makes it a horrendous experience do drive without CC or AP, since every small adjustement to the gas pedal have a direct effect on the speed of the car. It might be better in the future, but for now, cameras aren't really a great solution in areas with harsh winters.

[@djtaylorutube]

​@@martinta1989you forgot low sun blinding the cameras in winter and dark country lanes in the UK where ît can't see the nearside at night on unit roads with close hedges.

[@martinta1989]

@@djtaylorutube Ohh right about the blinding camera. Also the nearly constant warning on the screen when the sun is blinding one of the side cameras.

[@davidparker6944]

I own a 2019 model 3 dual motor (my wife's) and a 2021 model 3 SR+. I am an audiophile and it drove me nuts that Tesla disconnected the 4 front tweeters on the SR+. I did some upgrades for the SR+. I bought the cable kit to restore the 4 front speakers. I bought Tesla's subwoofer and added that. And I bought the Alpine speaker kit. Now the front passengers have better sound quality than the model 3 dual motor. I also bought Unplugged Performance Luxury suspension kit for the SR+. The car rides smoother and more sporty and responsive than the dual motor. The Dual motor is much faster 0-60 but the RWD model 3 with the better suspension feels more fun to drive.

[@r1l56me]

Bring back creep mode!

[@kepter9990]

removing option for regen braking is safety downgrade. During icy conditions, regen braking with RWD is outright dangerous, causing the rear of the car to be unstable during braking and with in experienced driver can cause the vehicle to spin. Tesla should add some "winter mode" that has regen braking disabled in cold weather conditions.

[@mikemcintosh9933]

Of all minor gripes I have with my Y, the windshield wipers suddenly turning on with not a cloud in the sky is the worst. No real world impact it just looks stupid and is annoying. I have to take my eyes off the road and futz around with the screen to turn them off or actually activate them with my left side stalk so that the interface is displayed allowing me to use the thumb wheel to set the wipers to off. Truly a case of high tech being worse than the old tech. I could use voice commands, but I find that works about 1 in every 3 tries, which turns a stupid situation into a Saturday Night Live sketch.

[@healeydave]

Firstly, I'd like to mention another cost cutting measure not documented (kept quiet) and not mentioned in this video is a security feature removed, namely the tilt sensor to detect if your car is jacked up. I do disagree with.a few points in this video relating to their importance or the implication that they were the right decision/not missed. I think the notion that removing data from usb's in the console "made sense" is incorrect, if data is only available in a closed glovebox, does this mean if you want to play a game with a wired controller, you have to have the glovebox open?? Stalk removal was just a cost cutting measure and Tesla's weak argument for data input is mute considering you still have to do that with the buttons which is arguably more difficult with a steering wheel hard turned with the buttons now upside down and back to front. orientation.

[@dvader3263]

To operate the turn signal, it is best to signal the turn with the steering wheel buttons before entering the turn, not while in the turn or circle. That is also what FSD does.

[@healeydave]

@ I was thinking more of changing to exit a roundabout. Normal left and right turns are easy because you generally going straight with the wheel up the right way. Small roundabouts are ok with the buttons.

[@bigfish1026]

Good video man. I enjoyed this one.

[@samwarren1429]

A month ago I leased my 2nd EV. I have stalks, sensors, radar, full time blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, and all around view camera display, and homelink. My wife's favorite feature, she can open the door with one finger, either hand. Lumbar support for the passenger seat is included. Throw in wireless Apple Carplay, Android Auto, SiriusXM satellite and AM radio. Yeah, it's not a Tesla.

[@chrishaberbosch1029]

Funny thing, teaching my daughter to drive she hated the stalks because she had to take her hands off the wheel. 🤔 She loved the idea of steering wheel directionals.

[@WillN2Go1]

Good video. So no reason not to buy a new Tesla. I have a 2020 Model Y with the radar. It was kind of fun sometimes seeing the vehicle in front of, but completely blocked by, the vehicle directly in front of my car... For this to happen you'd need a line of cars bumper to bumper in both lanes, or a Jersey Barrier wall and the cars. I don't think the windshield sensor is a big deal. I turned them on and off for decades. One thing owners should be aware of: When that tiny windshield camera 'box' above the rear view mirror gets heated and cooled, eventually enough plastic is evaporated and then deposited on the inside of the windshield that these cameras begin to be obscured. But even when it's really bad you have to get just the right light angle to see the foggy haze. This happened to me sooner than most because I live in sunny Southern California and park outside. As the film builds up , as you drive into the sun in the early morning and late afternoon, the windshield wipers turn on (to clear what ever is obscuring the cameras..) It's worse when you're driving FSD. This only gets worse and worse, but a quick trip to Tesla service gets this cleaned up. I was there for about 45 minutes. As far as I know this isn't owner serviceable.

[@renorum]

Absence of stalks is one of the main reasons I decided to buy the S refresh. SO much cleaner and unencumbered. Made me realise how stuck in my ways and expectations I was of what a car should and could be. Bravo Tesla for pushing the envelope - humans can and will adapt, as we have will most things.

[@Travlinmo]

This feels like very uncommon comment on stalks. Glad you like it!

[@mholmes9262]

‘22 M3P owner, but the S will likely be my next car. I drove one a few months ago and it took me all of about 5 minutes to get acclimated to not having stalks. TBH, once you do get used to it, physical stalks actually feel kind of superfluous. Just my opinion. Obviously everyone is different, just saying I didn’t mind it at all once I got used to it.

[@venti4268]

Parking sensor removal was stupid!

[@ericgaisser1668]

Features I wish had come on my 2024 Model Y. - Rear wiper - Fan that can be turned off - Footwell heating. (my feet get cold in my car. Yes, I have the vent on screen pulled all they way to the bottom) - Parking sensor (Tesla vision is not great IMO) - Better wipers / window wash - that don't just shoot the window wash on to your driver side window. - Decent cup holders - Ability to control and access (mp3 files) artists, albums, playlists on my phone or iPod without enhanced connectivity. Every other car has this. I still like the car but definitely wish I could have some of these items.

[@stevenzheng4493]

there is a footwell heater though? If you dont have the ac controls on auto it gives the option to turn on the foot vents

[@steveb796]

How? Mine just blows at my lap.

[@44mgmiller]

You can literally tell the car "my feet are cold" and it will turn on the foot well vents. Works in my 22 model S.

[@adamgaisser1875]

@@stevenzheng4493 - Thanks will see if this is the case on a 2024 MY

[@tshd4B2ZNWS]

they need to improve in their interior quality. I've already visited Tesla 4 times to fix rattles and noises. It's so frustrating

[@PrinPaska]

"input is error" means something else... the car should guess what you want, if you want something else, the car made an error in the prediction it's like training a neural network, you provide error signal for it to improve... so it's not about the user having an opportunity to make an error, the car makes the error

[@dxp99z]

no stalks is a dealbreaker... never getting a newer tesla... good thing i have the current Y... tesla vision sucks compared to USS... scraped the bumper a number of times... while i'm ranting, would it be that much more cost to add AM radio? or a grab bar for the passengers? autowipers is horrible... other than that i really do love my tesla! :)

[@dvader3263]

Perhaps driving lessons would be beneficial.

[@williamgrunzweig571]

@@dvader3263 🤣 couldn't have said it better myself. 👍👍

[@bjrnerlingchristophersen1148]

You forgot front fog light...Very important. The headlights have become worse in model 3. Very disepointing. Also a safety risk...

[@tsponge101]

My new Model Y purchased in Germany in November 2024 came with the mobile connector ( though it no longer comes with the 3 phase 32Amp plug option), parcel shelf, clear film on the rear doors for stone chips. I’ve heard they change what comes with the car per market. We also have creep and roll modes here in Germany.

[@hedleypepper1838]

I swore I'd not buy a tesla because there's no driver display. Then our existing car decided to self combust leaving us needing to buy the first car that suited our needs and guess what. No driver display it's a central screen and it's just fine. Thinking about it my first car almost 40 years ago was the same .... a mini. It's crazy to say a car without stalks is off the table because honestly it may end up being the best option and in the end no big deal or even better. Passenger lumbar support? I've never seen any if my passengers adjust the lumbar support in any car I've owned

[@jhelotes5627]

Good job, Ryan. One can see that you did a lot of homework on this topic. Your editing is great, too. Despite the critics posting here, I continue to watch your in-depth presentations and know that what you deliver is unbiased, non sugar coated information that is based upon your vast personal experience and perspective. Tesla continues to innovate, lower costs and revolutionize. Mostly satisfied Model Y owner here. The journey as an early EV adopter has been a mix of awe and occasional disappointments. No automobiles (ICE, EV or Hybrid) are perfect, as anyone who’s been alive and driving can attest to.

[@OneShotDrunk]

Strange, our MYRW is 4 weeks old and we have creep and roll mode..

[@OneShotDrunk]

Living in switzerland if that makes a difference

[@Deetroiter]

Could be, took delivery of a 24 MYP last June in the US and no rollout, my 2021 Model 3 still had it.

[@jimsherod8786]

Yes, I don't like the turn signal stalk being removed. It stopped me from upgrading...

[@thebagnechannel3183]

The automatic wipers aren’t that great. I have an MXP, which has the wiper controls on the yoke so manually adjusting them isn’t they big of a deal, but I wish it just had the $1 rain sensor.

[@carls.8408]

What about removal of SPORT MODE ACCELERATION????? GONE TESLA BOY!!

[@mannkeithc]

Tesla also removed front fog lights from the Tesla model 3 highland. My 2022 Model Y still had them along with touch / scroll wheel functionality to turn them on and off, but this has all disappeared on my new 2024 dual motor model 3. I suspect these will also be removed on the Model Y refresh. I don't think Tesla will ever achieve full auto drive capability on the Model 3 / Y due to the number of sensors they have removed over the years. Tesla vision may be good in the sunny weather of southern California, but it soon fails in harsh weather, such as heavy rain or fog, or in high latitudes countries such as the UK when there is winter sun at low elevations that overloads one or two cameras, taking them off air along with auto pilot. I think Radar / LiDar are key in combating some of these issues along with increasing the number of camera's, including front bumper camera, configurable light filter options, infrared cameras, and heated screens around camera apertures etc to keep them clear of moisture / mist. I want any full driving car to have vastly superior sensor capabilities than myself, otherwise I will continue to drive it myself. The fact that my Tesla model 3, like my previous model Y, are also poor at detecting rain and either doesn't on the wipers when it's raining, or turns them on when it's not raining, further illustrates the point that removal of sensors may save cost, but at the expense of functionality, and worst case, risk to life. I think Tesla will fail to obtain any urban FSD certification in Europe without inclusion of LiDAR and additional proximity sensors. Don't get me wrong, I love my new 2024 Tesla model 3 dual motor, but it's view of world it drives in is often less complete than my view of that same world, especially in the UK, when road junctions can be more complex and even confusing for an ordinary motorist, let alone a FSD car that fails to see all sets of traffic lights at a junction or correctly identify their state, as this may vary from straight ahead lanes compared with left and right filter lanes.

[@icedout2322]

Dont need the stalks , like both my Teslas without them . Dislike the wipers inability to work when it rains . Speck of dust - Tesla wipers - "I'll get that !" anything less than a downpour - also Tesla wipers -"What rain I dont see no stinking rain?"

[@Resist4]

And auto wipers default to on with FSD. Numerous times my freshly cleaned car sprayed wiper fluid and wiped, while stopped at a light. The spray not only messed up my clean car but the traffic around me.

[@SebastianBlix]

Honestly have lost a lot of faith in Tesla over the years. Really looking forward to better quality options from other mfg that can hit the same or lower price points.

[@bigdog44b4u]

Won't be long and they will make the wheels optional. ugh. Take too much away and customers will vanish..

[@francoisbouchard9488]

I'm disappointed with the sound quality in the rear wheel drive model Y. Chose rwd for the extra range, but if I had to make the choice again, I would go with dual motor just for the improvement in the sound system.

[@JoonaLeeviHannaSami]

Tesla Vision has also big disadvantage compared to radar. It is known that ice will affect both radar and cameras, but fog on cameras affects only vision and that the reality in cold countrys at the moment. Tesla vision is useles in winter especially the front camera now that the heating element have dowgraded. Tesla Vision is useles until you get your whole car so hot that even the front camera can see, so 90% on times you leave without any Tesla Vision and only on long yourneys you can have vision.

[@brianperry3592]

Gapless playback on Spotify and other streaming apps stopped working in May after a software update. Please fix!!!

[@chuckhursch5374]

Def don’t like the missing stalks. That would be a big negative on purchasing a refreshed 3 or Y

[@Da-King-of-Swing]

Brian, is regenerative braking used when a Tesla vehicle is an FSD mode or is FSD actually using the brakes to slow and stop the vehicle when necessary??

[@inachu]

model 3 plus edition used to have the summon mode but 4 patches later they removed summon and feel ripped off

[@govoll5058]

Maybe I missed it in your video, but the speed limit recognition sensor via camera does not work properly on model 3 and Y. Older model S cars from have the technique and recognize the speed limits perfectly.

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

Works fine on both our Y and 3. I've never noticed it not working.

[@jdudleyh]

It seems to be an inconsistent bug in some versions of the software.

[@Sal3600]

The only useful thing in this video that's missing is keeping power on in the ports while the car is asleep. everything else is not a problem at all.

[@alastairhatt360]

Why do people act as if info screens have just appeared on cars all the time. They have Been around for years in other cars and everyone was ok then suddenly more tech and features were available on cars and you would soon run out of buttons and stalks to access them. So the screen is the logical choice and cuts costs for said stalks and buttons and makes the dash area cleaner. Adapt or don’t buy that car.

[@jasondiaz8431]

Got a 2024 Model 3 where the bell is my cowbell. I gotta have more cowbell.

[@JimBergman1]

Do you have a fever?

[@jasondiaz8431]

@JimBergman1 and it more cowbell. Actually the only easter egg i wanted.

[@Popdog76]

Dear reader indicator buttons is not new, not a Tesla invention and have been around for years and is perfectly legal. Tesla implementation should be improved for Europe though

[@rickybobby6605]

Every car company is drastically increasing prices, except Tesla. Prices have dropped by tens of thousands and you’re complaining about shit no one used? 😂🤣 Get real.

[@carlosgamez6230]

The days of people over paying for marked up cars are long gone, the days of discounting and heavy incentives are coming back, the accord and Camry are finally back at their $26,000 starting price and cheap SUV’s are the hot market right now. Tesla needs to hurry up with its cheaper car because Ryan is right, your not comparing Tesla to these economy cars anymore your comparing them to the cars that do compete at Teslas price points and it leaves some to desire. The only thing that really sets Tesla apart anymore is FSD but is that a selling point for most people?

[@J19118]

He probably just needed any reason for a new video

[@ihearttesla]

Good Point!😁

[@Resist4]

Yeah well, once Elon get Trump to remove the Tax Credit a Tesla will cost $7,500 more. Talk about pushing buyers away.

[@apn42]

Tesla needs a driver assistent system as good as VWs travel assist. Currently something as simple as adjustment of speed based on sign recognition doesn't work. Enabling the cruise control using the thumb button is annoying and there is no resume function. The car clearly needs parking sensors and a radar.

[@FutureSystem738]

VW? ROFLMAO 🤣 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@troisshavers]

Fog lights

[@Resist4]

My Model Y has fog lights.

[@Trillville43]

Homelink can be installed by a tech at your home. It's simple to do honestly just need a few tools that most men should have.