Ryzen 7 2700X vs i7-8700K - Which Should You Buy?

[@TechDeals]

*UPDATE* - Short Comparison between 2700X and 8700K - More benchmarks and full coverage of Ryzen 5 coming in a few days. The X CPUs are the ones to buy in my opinion and I wouldn't bother overclocking them. More details on that soon. Ryzen 7 2700X --- @Amazon amzn.to/2qwM8R9 --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2JMIBXS All X470 Motherboards --- @Amazon amzn.to/2Hx3HIN --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2JIbvbD All B350 Motherboards --- @Amazon amzn.to/2GZh6wg --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2qxiAUh i7-8700K --- @Amazon amzn.to/2xkSrIX --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2y1ABhT All Z370 Motherboards @NewEgg - bit.ly/2uPM2cJ Tech Deals Amazon Deals Page --- www.amazon.com/shop/techdeals --- All Ryzen 2 CPUs --- Ryzen 3 2200G --- @Amazon amzn.to/2EoBg1B --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2BrD8Eb Ryzen 5 2400G --- @Amazon amzn.to/2nTPA7Y --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2stX7iA Ryzen 5 2600 --- @Amazon amzn.to/2JLT3yK --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2viZ56W Ryzen 5 2600X --- @Amazon amzn.to/2GYztSd --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2IUFOdJ Ryzen 7 2700 --- @Amazon amzn.to/2HyEGgy --- @NewEgg bit.ly/2GYUKuK

[@ArunKumar-eo9cq]

Tech Deals plzz do video 2600x vs 8600k

[@slaviasenov5505]

Perfect! But do not forget about the ryzen 5 2600

[@techinitiate9318]

Tech Deals you wouldn't bother to overclock them because you are using the stock cooler. Get to 4.2, it'll make a difference

[@Huttify]

Thanks! I just have to say, you deliver a more juseful coverage compared to the rest. I don't care about if it isn't on release day. Other reviews works just as waiting videos while I wait for your coverage. Exactly results in games isn't the most important either because everyone will display those numbers. Its the small comments you are able to fit in all the time. Like in this video, the need of a 1080 Ti to fully justify the 8700K in many games. Nicely done! You leave me no choise. I just have to donate. Thank you!

[@BrotherO4]

please, please do a completely review on the stock cooler? temps when gaming, temps when rendering, temp on a stress test, and so on if possible. it's my only request since it seems everyone is simple throwing out the cooler for the sake of OC to 4.3. i planning to leaving it as stock... i prey

[@PokerFriez]

What are you thinking AMD?! Mr Tech deals here is one of the best tech channel in yt. Shame.

[@petersutton2182]

This is EASILY the best chan for up to date, no nonsense, easy to understand PC information on KZbin!

[@macobean]

AMD unforgivable, this channel is more reliable than those other "tech tubers" yet they send them samples, shame on AMD

[@imsul]

Bisdak Gaming yep

[@sl9sl9]

+bee boo ''I told AMD I would take pictures if they'd give me an incentive''

[@reonero958]

K

[@kramnull8962]

sl9sl9 Do you remember Unlockable core BAD/NO Quality Control on millions of processors. They obviously don't drug test, employees or customers... (hey look I got a dual core unlocked to a triple core, 2 days later poof up in smoke)

[@TubeMeeify]

How dare you AMD ! Not sending a review sample for a such great channel like techdeals, and already did for a silly channels, alas !!!

[@cordes85]

cause he hasnt got enough followers, plain n simple

[@adams4075]

Buying them of the shelf guarantees these are not cherry picked

[@cordes85]

well he's no Linus/Jayz2cents/PaulsHardware/Bitwit/HardwareCanucks, did i miss anyone? He just looks too keen, he almost speaks like those computer playbacks you see on military videos, and im sorry just he doesnt look right. He looks like a weirdo.

[@syedmahdi3123]

That's not true at all, he is simply straight forward and doesn't have the fluff that other channels have. Watching some other channels, you have to sit through random skits and dig out certain information. This guy gives you the info you need without any detours. Some people may not like it, but it doesn't make it weird by any stretch

[@ijsarge]

Jason his style of videos is informative not necessarily entertaining

[@tomlemanh5506]

Very well structured video. I feel very well informed now ;) I remember this channel when it was at the beginning and now it has already 274k subscribers. You're doing such an amazing job sir!

[@frshunter]

Excellent job especially with your limited time! Still shaking my head on you not getting a sample! But classy response from you!

[@unsc0212able]

Man you are killing it at these reviews!! Been with the channels since you were starting and man you reviews really show how much work you put into it. I think a good video would be this vs the i7 7820x. Especially showing what happens when you OC both to show the difference in performance vs value for the money. It's going for 469 vs the 600 at launches would just shows how good Amd is doing. Keep up the good work!!!

[@gunterd2]

Oh man! How i missed your long videos!

[@AcePauloCutejo]

This is a great channel please keep it up and a 1 million subscribers won't be far off

[@typingcat]

Seems like it is far off.

[@mwavey1613]

@@typingcat lol

[@timcarpenter2441]

On a pedantic note, the 2700X has 33% more cores than the 8700K. The 8700K has 25% less cores than the 2700X

[@TechDeals]

Yep, I suck at math I guess :)

[@johnm2012]

If you were being really pedantic you would have said "fewer" cores, not "less".

[@josephdykes1820]

Sounds like an advantage when mining

[@towldllr4854]

See, this is why math can be quite annoying.

[@Luredreier]

+Joseph Dykes I don't know... If I where going to *mine* I'd either go with a lower end APU like the A6 9500 with an A320 chipset motherboard, a Intel equivalent cheap system (probably better due to more PCI-e lanes) or a high end one like Epyc for the CPU mining. Epyc actually matched the 1080 Ti in income back in the day due to a lower power draw pr hash. Of course the investment cost to get a Epyc didn't exactly help the ROI... Then again, a Epyc + Vega server is more versitile and can be put to work on other things then mining now that the prices have dropped...

[@Pittman006]

I have a flight in less then 9 hours. Still haven’t finished packing but after this vid came up in the suggestion (about to buy a new pc this summer after 10 years so started my research) I simply couldn’t put the phone down. You sir deserve a subscribe. The very first online video I’ve seen where you speak loud and clear, amazing articulation and detailed info on both side (intel and amd also). I’m more interested in overall experience while using other apps as well e.g premiere pro is optimised for intel, how does it do while editing - not rendering. I hope to find videos like these as well on your channel. Cheers!

[@gdeeable]

You nailed it - another good-sense video! Excellent comparative info. I can make a "real decision" with this data. I do need to watch it again though. Not an issue for you though. You pack so much great info in you videos. Thanks.

[@mikenogo]

holy crap, I actually am surprised how well and easy your videos are to listen and watch. It's really well structured and you explain things VERY clearly to your audiences. You also cover all basis of WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW and don't drag on meaningless topics. Subbed.

[@Arestas25]

Shame on you AMD!!! Not sending a review sample to TechDeals, who probably is the most honest and complete reviewer on KZbin, it's only bad for your reputation. Keep the good work TechDeals 👍💪!! I'm sure in a near future you will be given the respect and support your great channel deserves ...

[@laundrysauce1649]

I am obsessed with this channel! No bullshit, straight to the point!

[@Johnmarkoffline]

Lol the only on tech deals is a 17 min the short version. I love keep up the good work nice to see your channel has really picked up speed in growth.

[@D7Volk]

You're probably one of the best KZbinrs when it comes to stuff like this as you're speaking about stuff that the average PC builder is concerned with: Price, value, looks, support and convenience to use. Your channel needs a lot more recognition.

[@techyescity]

Nice video as always, you are very quick to get a video out in one day! Amazing, also in relation to the lower minimums and 0.1% lows, in some games the overclocked 8700K can break that game's engine causing it to stutter, GTA 5 is a massive culprit for this.

[@saucegod8799]

Tech YES City what up Bryan

[@bornwisedistruction]

Hey! Fancy seeing you here Bryan. :)

[@Cooe.]

Tech YES City While true, this is the case far less often then Ryzen's minimum fps advantage being due to increased thread count & cache size + it's superior SMT. Generally this is only limited to a handful of game's using ancient prior console gen focused engines like GTA V.

[@Malus1531]

Cooe14 "Ryzen's minimum fps advantage" is also only limited to a handful of games. Usually the 8700k has higher minimums.

[@DiegoUbachNieto]

Malus yes, Intel is better at gaming, no one is saying otherwise, it just that some evil developers have a nasty fixable bug with a specific CPU when OC'd, no need to point the same happen on evil underpowered AMD CPUs

[@JSheetzArtwork]

Thank you for getting to the point on everything. I prefer this over those who spend 90% of the video doing things off topic.

[@djsnowpdx]

The Ryzen 2000 lineup is GLORIOUS! Look at those APUs! Look at those coolers on the X chips! Look at those X chips! If I had started with an R5 1600, I might upgrade this year. As is, I started with an 1800X, and this lineup just makes me feel really good about that. While I would not buy an 1800X today given the 2700X is faster and comes with a cooler, I do not feel I have missed out!

[@ScaryMaryCherry]

I've watched PLENTY of videos on several different hardware channels but I have to say, I like this one the best. Great presentation, very informative and easy to understand. Thank you!

[@TheMetalmachine467]

I'm wondering why AMD haven't gave you samples this time . Your an awesome reviewer and tells it like it is

[@TechDeals]

No idea, but it won't affect my review... It does mean that I spent over $1,500 on CPUs and motherboards, so support from my viewers would be nice :)

[@peterjansen4826]

Because the world is a lot bigger than the USA and because the budget of AMD for free samples is rather limited. Or the amount of engineering samples is rather limited, one of those. That is my guess. The only thing that AMD could not like about Tech Deals his reviews is that he doesn't mention FreeSync, the software ecosystem (pretty good these days with good drivers, ReLive and Chill) or the better capability for Vulkan and DX12 that much. Those are the strong points of AMD for the graphics cards these days. On the CPU front, Tech Deals his reviews are nothing but positive for AMD, because the product is good. I don't want him to be anything else than honest, don't change anything about that! He was completely right on Vega64 sucking for gaming (good for some productivity though). Tech Deals, we know that it won't affect your review.

[@thepolticalone961]

Metalmachine467 they didn't give a sample to gamers nexus either

[@neil50]

Metalmachine467 amd is a way smaller company than intel, nvidia and even some of their partners so they really don’t have the resources to give ~$1,000 worth of tech to every reviewer. So I’m assuming they hand picked bigger channels who have more influence. Or maybe they just hate him

[@aldeen9190]

that is it problem cause he is always honest with his reviews .

[@cmerk100]

THIS is the review I was waiting for. You convinced me to go ryzen last year as well for my computer!

[@scottsteeves]

You really are the best. Everything explained for anyone to understand

[@christianb9565]

Nicely done. Looking forward to the full video. I'm glad you decided to go with stock settings btw

[@silenthero2795]

Shame that you didn't get a sample. But hey, the retailed item is what the consumer would get so you're practically running a "clean" item instead of those sample products that might have been cherry picked. This just adds to your credibility even more.

[@leechburglights]

Numerous Tech Tubers have debunked the myth about having high-binned CPU samples cherry picked. Hardware Unboxed did a video the past few weeks on 10 i7 coffee lake CPU's. Luck of the draw.

[@silenthero2795]

Ironically, the first Ryzen series samples can be OC'ed up to 4.0ghz easily but when it comes to retails, most failed to just sustain it even with a better cooler. Of course no one would admit it but it does happen.

[@diggpal]

You have a really great channel, I always your find your reviews/content to be clear and easy to understand, im not one for over exagerated intros and joke after joke, great work!

[@thegutestboi5948]

Held off watching others reviews on this just so I could watch yours first :D

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

Me too. Now on to my second favorite `Hardware Unboxed'. I thought since I was admitting my bias towards Tech Deals I should at least give them a mention.

[@ochoaboyy4064]

definitely one of the better review videos i have seen over these two processors. well done, you've earned a new sub :)

[@SilverforceX]

Why didn't AMD provide samples, your channel is big enough, more than others that got sampled and your reviews are bang on and very fair!

[@electricfire7]

I agree...Watching tech deals is like watching the news but for tech only..its great i love it!.I can watch him all day!

[@no_handle_required]

The first reviewer I get actual info from, not shocking that it's not some kid with a parents or a sponsors budget. Subscribed.

[@XtremeConditions]

Always appreciate your videos! Also, you've helped convince me to finally make the upgrade to Ryzen from my FX-8350. It's served me well, but it's time to play with the big boys. :)

[@chumscrubber7759]

How are you liking Ryzen so far?I have fx-8320 and thinking about upgrading to Ryzen.

[@MrSlashtf2]

I subscribed to this channel when it was just growing and I see that now while at near 300k, it's hard work and dedication has finally paid off. Great to see you growing and becoming one of the best tech KZbinrs, TechDeals, keep at it!

[@RisingPhoenix96]

Thanks for the awesome content Mr. Deals. I'll pick up a 2700X in the near future.

[@markallison8108]

Great preview, looking forward to the rest of the reviews. 👍

[@DumpsterIdea]

I have been happily waiting for this video.

[@MrBlitsBlits]

Yout videos always come with the real info we need. There is criticism where it is needed and praises where they are deserved! Keep it up!

[@MrBlitsBlits]

I mean that you just do not review the product as it is. You remind us on the indormation that we need. Like that this processor is 20% faster than this, but when you conside the price of the mother board (or what ever is relevant) you get better performance/price with this product, UNLESS you need(single core or multi thread perfomance then go with A (or B).

[@Solrak8O]

Still can’t believe AMD didn’t send Mr Tech Deals a reviewers kit! 😢 Big respect to Tech Deals for going out and buying the new Ryzen CPUs and multiple motherboards out of his own pocket. That’s a big chunk of change right there, the guy is a true professional! I can always count on his honest real world reviews of PC products. Looking forward to the new Ryzen in-depth reviews, keep up the great work.

[@TechDeals]

Thanks so much for the support and kind words!

[@MatthewTabor8]

Man, when I built my computer years ago, your channel was REALLY small, but you had by far the best content of all KZbinrs. I remember thinking then, "I hope this guy lasts". Now that I'm exploring an upgrade, I'm really happy to see your channel has grown so much. Kudos

[@4G12]

In short, given a choice between the 8700 and the 2700x, there isn't strong objective and practical reason to choose the Intel over the AMD unless you're desperate for maximum single core speed and to hell with performance and work done per watt.

[@huyucle1228]

Actually there are 3 main reasons for 8700k: - High-refresh rate gaming. GPU improves much faster than cpu, the 8700k can easily support 4K 144Hz when the next-gen gpu arrive. - Better avx2 instruction: intel is much better at Adobe programs or at linear algebra operation (matrix multiplication). Some programs work poorly with ryzen even though they can use all cpu cores on intel. - Single-threaded workstation program. All the parallel processing is done on GPU, any remaining single-threaded task would prefer a cpu with high IPC and clock

[@chrisbreezy-ryanbarbosa4320]

@@huyucle1228 Thank you this convinced me to get Intel, even tho its much more expensive.

[@inpost1751]

@@chrisbreezy-ryanbarbosa4320 congrats on spending more money for no reason

[@SuperAmazingNoob]

@@inpost1751 everyone knows intel is better than that personal heater

[@inpost1751]

@@SuperAmazingNoob cool

[@bwv1044]

06:11 33% more cores. Very good idea to include single core performance and relative differences. It was a Ryzen launch so when showing percentage difference you have to show ryzen score compared to 8700k score, then for example @14:15 the bars should be below zero showing that Ryzen is slower.

[@raviteja9652]

Superb thank you, I bought ryzen 7 2700x already for new pc instead Intel i7 8700k.

[@c4keizerg354]

Is it good? For gaming? I might get one its muuuch cheaper (R 7 2700x 339€ and I7 8700K 449€)

[@dr.a5646]

Very informative video ! Wish I had found it earlier ... would have made my decision process easier. Interestingly, I ended up with a X370/2700x setup (with GTX 1070Ti), which is so very close to what you recommended ... I just upgraded the cooling to an AIO liquid RGB rig, not because the standard cooler didn‘t work, but because I wanted „cooler and quieter“... I found this video to be very well structured and concise ... thank you.

[@frankiejramone]

Yes, you pronounced "Motorsport" correctly. Damn shame AMD left you out of the Circle o' Samples, but with your channel growth, it's only a matter of time before they can't.

[@milagrotv6114]

I love your videos dude, continue doing this ..you are direct to the point, no bullshit clickbaits like linus

[@jfhalshsfdalkj]

Should we also consider Intel Meltdown / Spectre vulnerabilities as a win for AMD? Or has the "fix" for these bugs for the 8700K been made inconsequential?

[@granautismo786]

jfhalshsfdalkj It affected Intel for the most part. It was more of a software thing for AMD. Intel had the Hardware vulnerability. It will take a good 2 generations for Intel to come up with a new architecture fix on the hardware side. Yes you should consider it as a win for AMD. The fix is just a patch.

[@a6893_]

And from what I have heard intel patch results in fps drop

[@Erowens98]

Li_ pun depends on the workload. In most games the difference will be tiny, but in some cases you can expect -20%

[@klontjespap]

yeah , mainly things that do a massive amount of I/O calls suffer the worst, most games' real-time performance aren't impacted at all from what i've seen. unless it has some overzealous kind of denuvo on it doing a lot of IO calls i guess

[@sergiobrinas2452]

Nice one. Let me say that your perfect and clean pronunciation, along with your clear and relatively restful way of speaking are great for those of us who do not have English as native language. Greetings.

[@jasongrace9599]

Thanks for the video. Solid primer review.

[@adomingues00]

Once again, a reliable and down-to-earth review that helps a wide spectrum of potential buyers and tech fans down from the budget casual up to the enthusiast no-compromise. I would only like to state that memory scaling (and thus price on the ram kits) is important for Ryzen and that should be mentioned. People watching this video should be made aware that paying $100 less for a cheap DDR4 kit (2400mhz for example) instead of a more expensive 3200mhz CL14,15,16 Kit is a gigantic mistake, very diferent from an INTEL platform people are used to. Apart from that, good video thanks.

[@amampathak]

Want you to do a comparison between 1600 and 2600 , 1700 and 2700, my take would be 1600 and 2700... 1600 comes with a far better cooler and the price, but I think 2700 beats 1700, but then again this time I think 2700x is a better deal. Just a budget gamer here, Love your videos!!

[@ianroz1359]

Very well organized. Nice commentary and stats. Easy to retain. Overall great video. New sub

[@sntspanish]

The 8700k will crush the ryzen when overclocked, what a K version is meant for. I find this biased.

[@bradford5833]

Single-Threaded performance is very important, especially if you are doing gaming. Most games will only use 1 or 2 cores, at most. Maybe a handful that use more than 2 cores. So if you are looking to game the i7 shines beautifully. But if you are using mostly Adobe or other types of programs that utilize all cores/threads then Ryzen might be a better choice. Especially if you can't afford those shiny i9's. Although the 32 core TR chips coming out are going to blow away any programs that utilize multi-core/threads and probably price out anything Intel (at least core to core) can offer. Another thing to note is that if you stream, it makes more sense to have an Intel based gaming PC (i7-8xxx series) and have it output to an AMD TR based stream PC where you can do all of video processing on the AMD machine more efficiently than you could with an equivalently priced Intel proc. It reminds me back in the days when multi-core CPU's first started to hit mainstream and how nothing would really utilize them, even today unless you are using programs specifically designed to utilize 6 cores/12 threads (such as MPI or parallel processing) most of those cores are never going to be used in the life of the machine.

[@krizby87]

Ryzen+ make all Intel CPU south of 8700k obsolete already lol, just like Ryzen did to Kaby Lake.

[@Tropicocitwo]

That's stretching the truth a bit, if you're a gamer and you play multiplayer games (especially MMO games), you'll actually get better framerates with the 8 series as they clock higher per core, and core speed is everything in those games (plus a lot of other genres). For anything outside gaming, Ryzen has indeed raised the bar greatly.

[@Tropicocitwo]

I should add to that, while overclocking results from Tech Deals aren't out yet, the Ryzen literally cannot OC for gaming. You actually have to give up the lower turbo-boosted single core speed in order to get an all-core 'overclock', so gaming results generally put it at best 1-2% faster when threads can be utilized, or actually SLOWER than stock if not. The 8600k and 8700k can overclock beyond their stock turbo boosts with relative ease, not just single core but all-core. I suspect there'll be a decent difference in his results when his overclocking video releases, as there has been everywhere else

[@krizby87]

All the test are done with 1080ti, I believe once you play with 1070/vega 56 performance would be indistinguishable between Core i5 Coffe Lake/Ryzen 2. Hardware Unboxed has Ryzen 2 benched against 5.2ghz 8700k if you are curious.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

Lol even the cheaper i7700k makes ALL Ryzen obsolete in gaming.

[@kramnull8962]

Ryan Huynh, nah retailers are always jacking the prices up... $30 on the board $30 on the processor $30 on the ram... What I love profiting upon, is the uninformed millions that run out buy a processor, then hear stupid information and then yank the system apart and sell it for pennies on the dollar. 02/2011 i5 2400 $120 shipped. 10/4/2018 i5 8400 $120 shipped... Panic attacks are wonderful...

[@jackr.749]

I'd be curious to know just how well the new Ryzen 7 2700x performs in VR (Oculus Rift and HTC Vive), I think depending on what you are doing in VR, a lot of it is CPU intensive so even with a 1080Ti, things can bog down. Including VR performances in your reviews would be very helpful to many VR enthusiasts. Otherwise, excellent review! :)

[@mr.mudcatslim3420]

They probably should have sampled you, but don't worry, they did not sample Gamers Nexus either, and Steve seems to be an honest tech tuber as well. I depend on both your channels for your input and would not buy something unless checked out by you guys. I appreciate your channel and all the work you put into it. Come on AMD and get with it.

[@paulvancyber1979]

2 of the most informative and they both explain important things of the products, not like the others channels (bigger) ones

[@Cooe.]

You have that backwards. Steve from GamersNexus deliberately CHOSE not to get sampled by AMD so they wouldn't be under NDA and thus could source & test samples from 3rd parties MUCH earlier than if they'd gone with the official samples. It wasn't because AMD wasn't going to sample them, but that they didn't want to be held to the terms and conditions that come with being officially sampled pre-release hardware. Before then AMD had been sampling GN for years now. Though, lol I imagine there decision to go their own route with Ryzen 2nd Gen means they're now on their own for any/all future AMD products as well.

[@robinkilberg9244]

Yo! Great videos u make. Would be rather cool if u made a video compairing like 11400, 10600k, 8700k with 3060TI/3070. Keep up the good work :) Cheers

[@dhimitrishasani1356]

Awesome video... AMD is making bad decisions about not providing you with the new ryzen + samples you know it,I know it and all of your subscribers know it looking forward for the second half of the video 😀😀😀

[@mrrnigah643]

Maria A the resaults are showed in the videos , and u are a big girl , juste make your own opinion ..

[@Old-Boy_BEbop]

what u talking about some tech tubers had to fly to asia just to test these cpu's.... and tech tubers had to buy their own intels, nvidia gpus and amd gpus too. not everything is always given. so lets grow a set of balls and stop pointing fingers and focus on the results.

[@BeefIngot]

What could possibly be the reason for it. Watching this channel for a while, I can't imagine Tech Deals having any conflicts with anyone. Doesn't seem like the sort of thing this channel would get into, or at least that's always what the professionalism of it said to me.

[@dhimitrishasani1356]

It is not about fun boys or something else... I believe this man should get samples because he deserves them. I follow this channel long time now. I can see, I can feel and I can hear on his voice he is actually a honest man on his reviews.

[@michaellima2544]

Great review! Enjoyed all of your charts and your input. I’m buying the ryzen 2700x. Glad your channel is growing.

[@BJovanovic1987]

In short, 8700K is somewhat better for 1080p gaming (but is more expensive, PLUS, a high-end aftermarket cooler is required which only adds to the overall cost), while the 2700X good for 1080p gaming but is much better for workstation users, thanks to it's amazing amount of cores & threads for relatively less money (and it comes with an adequate stock cooler out of the box). This is a very, VERY helpful video Mr. TechDeals! It helped me decide between the two. You sir, have a Like and Sub from me!

[@lightyagami5604]

Which one did you choose?

[@kramnull8962]

Neither one, he is just wearing an AMD tee shirt and red and white pom poms...

[@lightyagami5604]

XD

[@Alen725]

Not really better or worse. Ryzen 7 is worse for 1080p (with strong overkill GPUs) gaming when its not OC or at least manually set in bios for precision boost because it wont use its power. Idk why, perhaps its related to intelligent power usage tech. Auto settings in default limit performance a lot. On higher resolutions usually GPU load increase much more relatively to CPU so GPU will bottleneck anyway (CPU will simply have to support 60FPS instead 130 for example).

[@10WA]

Yeah Intel fanboys tend to forget if you buy a 8700k or the new 9700k plan on adding another $40 for decent cooler.

[@vikrambhaskar7976]

Thanks for including AC origins! Glad that AMD is already working on ZEN 5 and very serious about future this time around

[@SaturnusDK]

I find it interesting that if you take the multithread cinebench score and divide by number of threads, the per thread advantage of the 8700K drops to just 3.78%. That clearly demonstrates just how much better Ryzen 2 is optimized for multithreaded workloads, and why the 2700X absolutely crushes the 8700K in gaming while streaming tests done by for example Gamers Nexus.

[@paulvancyber1979]

Yes, Ryzen is a pretty good CPU. I think Intel now has a better IPC but that doesnt mean is better for the 90% of the Pc users around the world, AMD is making an excellent product suberb platform and making better products than Intel.

[@johnm2012]

I think it's significant that Intel has only been able to increase IPC by small increments for several years. Maximum clocks have also hit a ceiling. The only place where real improvements can still be made is in core count.

[@Tropicocitwo]

You have to keep in mind the following: 1. 2 series uses more power than the 8 series 2. Not many people stream at 10mbps, aside from not having the internet bandwidth for it, some viewers can't even view that bitrate 3. If you don't stream at 10mbps or greater, the 8700k will still suit you better than the 2700x, especially for non-streaming purposes 4. If streaming is your job, or your job involves highly multithreaded workloads (not photoshop as that does better with higher clocks and lower threads), then the 2700x is 100% your choice!

[@SaturnusDK]

1. Does it though? The 2700X sure wins on power/performance. Divide the power by the cinebench score for example and you'll see the Ryzen 2700X is 8.7% ahead in power/performance (using power consumption and cinebench scores from Gamers Nexus' test). 2. Maybe not currently but give it 6 months or a year and they will. Why? Because high bandwidth connections keep proliferating, and products like the 2700X enables them to do something the 8700K simply can't match. 3. I completely disagree. I'd rather have the superior performance of the 2700X in my day-to-day workloads, and then game at high resolution and high quality settings at the same FPS as the 8700K can deliver than play a few e-sports titles where ultra high FPS actually matter. 4. I'm not saying the 8700K doesn't have its use cases or doesn't have an advantage in high FPS gaming. It does but they're few and far between. Most people prefer higher resolution over higher FPS as long as you have a reasonable FPS, and 2700X certainly provides that. Sure, if you want 144+ FPS and that is all that matters to you then you go with the 8700K. In all other cases you're probably better off with the 2700X.

[@SG710]

I cannot believe how great your reviews are! Honestly, I think the tech press is often benchmarking games with such non-real-world-relevance mindset that it's difficult to take their reviews seriously. You do good application benchmarks, games at three different resolutions, and we can see the fuller picture. Plus your analysis of value for the money is always done with a pro-consumer point of view. Thank you for your work!

[@andrewfrey289]

Great video.. I can’t wait for intel to pull their heads out their ass and realize AMD has their sights on the throne! I’m impartial either way I just hope intel is punished for their selfish and greedy decisions limiting consumers’ options with their processors and mobos lately. Wtf is optane anyway; and why would I pay $300 for 10-15% performance, amiright?

[@hughw.]

I should have checked your latest videos...I see you are doing a review on ryzen 2nd gen...Thank You and once again a great video..Thank You for being so clear and thorough. You do deserve You Tube award.

[@rcsibiu]

Amazing presentation Sir! I am really thinking about upgrading my PC because my parents gifted me an ASUS ROG PG278QR and my old GTX750Ti together with the AMD A5500 are not good enough for the 2K 165Hz which this monitor offers. So I really have to upgrade hard my PC and I was struggling between choosing Intel or AMD. And Now I feel more determined to choose AMD Ryzen 7 EVEN if the i7 8700k has better fps in most games. I will use my PC for gaming at most but I don't want to spend a fortune on the i7 because the Ryzen will do the same work with at most 10 fps drop.

[@TF23DayRespawn]

Probably the highest quality tech videos I've ever seen on youtube, good work!

[@10tenman10]

The Ryzen is the cpu to buy for the price. I'm not sure what Intel is doing but they have clearly lost their edge.

[@Kmrrley]

10tenman10 intel responded to ryzen gen one and crushed it, Intel is going to respond to this and crush it.

[@nakoete8521]

Nitrate I'd tend to doubt that. Yeah, if all you're doing is gaming than Intel is the way to go, but in terms of everything else, it took Intel 2 generations to get their most popular i7 (_700k) to get just on par with the 1800x in terms of almost anything else.

[@Kmrrley]

STFUImBigBoned 2 generations??? The 1800x came out last year what are you saying and intel has chips better than it just not really consumer friendly pricing lmfao

[@10tenman10]

My son has an 1800x (with a 1070 gpu), yes, built last year. The price comparison between the AMD and Intel cpu was an older and more expensive chip.

[@Kmrrley]

10tenman10 what is your point here I completely missed it

[@richmeisterradio]

i love this channel for the in depth analysis. bravo to tech deals and may it live long.

[@aoucelloutus3573]

Just upgraded from 2600x to i7 8700k. As far as gaming goes, it's like night and day. i7 makes games so much smoother and less laggy. Don't get me wrong r5 2600x is a great CPU , does really well in multitasking but i7 smashes it in gaming.

[@johntotten4872]

Well well Mr Deals we meet again. Great video. Lots of good info in it. My 8700k works great for the gaming @1440p I use it for coupled with my Gtx 1070, I will be grabbing a Gtx 1180 when they drop and curious to see how much that will boost me.

[@abhishekchakraborthy338]

i don't understand why amd does not sample him their products he has the most well rounded explanations and he always said good thing about ryzen

[@SergePupko]

I'm going to be building a workstation for music creation and photo editing in the near future. I was going back and forth between these two. I dont have experience with AMD but they've had my attention since Ryzen... Now though, 2700X, hands down. Extra cores will come in handy.

[@MannyRiberaOriginal]

Excellent video. I will be getting ryzen 2700x for my first time build.

[@MannyRiberaOriginal]

What motherboard and gpu do you recommend?

[@mistersai2143]

@@MannyRiberaOriginal go for rog strix b450f gaming + gtx 1070ti or vega 56

[@MannyRiberaOriginal]

mister sai a bit too late, i bought a 2600

[@mistersai2143]

@@MannyRiberaOriginal so how was it?

[@mistersai2143]

@@MannyRiberaOriginal 2600..you mean cpu?

[@ryogamestation]

Your reviews are very much appreciated and thank you 😊!

[@electricfire7]

Just great to see AMD in competition with intel..its been a long time since AMD-FX cpus were released.

[@electricfire7]

Im still on my fx-8320 and AMD R9 290..i love AMD cpus but i will have to go for an Nvidia card this time round and new RYZEN for sure.

[@Heolfrig]

Another fantastic video! I would love to see some more information about the X470s, namely comparing features for value, and I can't wait to see the 2600X review soon. Keep up the good work, Tech Deals!

[@TechDeals]

Let me play with them first :)

[@florijanftw]

in this moment i7 8700k is 500 eu and ryzen 7 2700x is 300eu CRAZY

[@hamada6719791]

i have the same in poland the i7 8700k around 520 € and X2700 aroun 340 € but when i want chose its realy hard why ? any way i want AIO cooler as my home in winter is high heating ( poland ) so now if you check Motherboard the nice Motherboard for Intel now z390 at 200 € the good Mother borad AMD 250 € i also need 32 RGB ram the ram for Intel less 100 € than Ram for AMD so in last it's almost close only now difference is 50 € but let's black friday and Cyber monday make me decide , but any way its also hard as ZEN2 in the corner :)

[@misterxzxc7314]

@@hamada6719791 go with the ryzen7 2700x with a 4000mhz or 3200mhz ram with a good High end board and a gtx 1070 you really won't need an i7 8700k for gaming there's really no difference if you are playing on full HD 60fps note remember ryzen is faster only if you have faster memory

[@GhAzAlMj]

Dude maybe some guys saying the way you talk is boaring but go damn you are the best at what you do i love watching your videos and i have learned a lot thanks and keep it up please.

[@iGoValkyrie]

Surprised you didn't get a sample...

[@walkerboh39]

Thank you, for the short version. I look forward to the long version!

[@danimoosakhan]

You videos are better, simple, and easy to understand. Keep up the good work.

[@khmergodhobbies]

you're awesome!

[@peterjansen4826]

That Wraith Prism is a wonderful cooler for a stock cooler. However, if you have silence oriented build then maybe sell it and upgrade to a Noctua D15 instead? :) 39 dB vs. 24.6 dB, on paper that is a large difference. I would say it depends on how high you want to clock? 3,8 vs. 4.2, that also is a lot of differnce for the power consumption and heat. The good thing about the best Wraith coolers is that they are relatively silent as long as the RPM stays low (good fan blades), the bad thing is that the size of the cooler just is too small to compete with those nice tower coolers. Here is the thing with CPU coolers, they don't cost that much given the life span, it is really nice to have a D15 or a BQDRP3/4. I would prefer no stock cooler but I do understand that most people prefer that it does come with a stock cooler. A little sidenote, I love that marketing on the poster: "Dark mode for RGB heathens".

[@firworks]

You mentioned many times in here that the Ryzen 7 G2 is a better fit for content creators rather than gamers but I saw Puget Systems just released some preliminary testing of AE and Photoshop and found the i7-8700k to be quite a bit faster still than the new Ryzens for encode/decode and stabilization / vfx. Have you seen similar? I'm still on an i7-6700k and I'm considering trying to move up to the R7 2700X for multi-cam 4K footage and blender render / softbody simulation work. I think it'd be a big performance jump but I'm a little unsure based on that.

[@noobofalltrades9766]

FirworksYT it's because of the higher clock of i7-8700k reaching up to 5.0Ghz, that adds up to the speed of the renders in content creation. What R7 2700x offers is 2 extra core that you can allocate to other stuff especially when you are multitasking. Adobe has always been poorly optimized so far in terms of MultiThreading. If you work with a lot of things at once go for AMD, but if you do tasks one at a time and hoping for faster renders then you may want to consider Intel. But that 2 extra cores will also be a plus in future updates though.

[@huyucle1228]

I think you need to check with others whether the ryzen cpu is optimized for the program you use. I had a ryzen 1600 which is supposedly much faster multi-threaded than i7 7500u laptop (2 cores 4 thread), but in Matlab the ryzen cpu is nearly 2 times slower for optimization issue :\

[@Tropicocitwo]

AE and PS cannot saturate 8 cores, they can't even saturate 6 fully. They are multithreaded yes, but not to the extent that things like cinebench testing are. You will still be better off with the faster cores vs more which are slower, if gaming and photoshop/AE are your two main uses for the system :) If you stream at all and want to do so with very high bitrate, the 2700x will be your dream CPU.

[@Cooe.]

FirworksYT Photoshop is nearly entirely single-threaded. You picked the one major exception lol. Try something actually threaded well like heavy work in After Effects WITH some concurrent serious video encoding going on for example, and things change dramatically. Much of Adobe's suite is currently poorly optimizatized for today's ever more common many-core CPU's. Premiere for example can only utilize a maximum of 12-cores/24-threads at all, and only about 6-8 of those with decent effciency, simply because such huge CPU's used to be so uncommon. Adobe's working on getting this sorted out/ their programs more properly multi-threaded as we speak. Multi-tasking with any of those programs involved though (no true content creator is ever only doing 1 thing at once), and Ryzen's major width advantages being blantantly apparent.

[@IAmCjcj11]

Huy Đức Lê I’m a little skeptical about this, I feel like there is something else that was affecting this, I have a 1600 and had a laptop with a similar processor, comparing the 1600 vs the 7500u even at stock the 1600 still has higher single thread performance. Which also matlab by default uses a single thread unless it’s parallelized. I’m sure there can possibly be more optimization’s for Intel at hand, but not enough to warrant double the speed even if it is only using a single core. There has to be some reason. But yeah there’s also the fact that running a single thread they can Perform similar as it’s a dual core vs a hexa core which most programs won’t utilize more than a small number of threads

[@JohnSTF72]

Great review and from what i understand from multiple Ryzen 2 reviews, there's not a huge improvement if you overclock the 2700X, unless you spend a lot on an aftermarket cooling solution and even then you have to deal with silicon lottery...i'm really curious about the 2600X now. Thanks for the comparison TD.

[@SprunkG]

I wish I could subscribe again.

[@TechDeals]

Johnny Garlic - Thanks so much for the sub, welcome to the Deal Nation!

[@raunak1147]

Tech Deals So that's what we are called

[@RoyJNg]

Got my Ryzen 7 2700x with the MSI X370 Gaming motherboard, 16 gig of ram, video powered by the MSI Geforce 1080 Duke, all bought thanks to Tech Deal's video and review.

[@DrearierSpider1]

While I'm still going strong on my 4790K (I only game, no productivity), I'd really like to switch to AMD for my next upgrade depending on what Zen 2 offers. While Intel has great chips, I'm still salty about the 10 year quad core stint and they still spit in their customer's faces with their stock coolers and putting cheap TIM on $2,000 processors.

[@colhapablap]

DrearierSpider1 it's also nice having the option to upgrade just the cpu until 2020 instead of having to buy an entirely new mb. im considering going from 1700 to 2700x on an x370 - a lot friendlier on the wallet.

[@HaveFunLosingBro]

i currently have a i5 4690k @4.4ghz. Was planning to upgrade to these ryzen 2 cpus but the ipc gain from my i5 to a 2700x isn't large enough to warrant an upgrade. Zen 2 should be absolutely amazing and see improvements in pretty much everything.

[@overlord580]

DrearierSpider1 Just make sure that your new CPU will have faster single tread performance. Otherwise you'''ll be disappointed.

[@DrearierSpider1]

col. hapablab Yup, better upgrade path is another reason I really want to choose AMD, just forgot to mention it.

[@DrearierSpider1]

Dean simmons I get where you're coming from, but at the same time 4C/4T is limiting in a lot of games today and that will only get worse. Hopefully you can last until Zen 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with a late 2019 release considering the difficulties involved with 7nm chips.

[@tiNgk0y1]

this is by far the most detailed with tips channel I have found on youtube.. very much reliable, I will definitely recommend this channel to all of my friends around the world..

[@ellypsis603]

8700K for 144+hz Gaming, 2700X for everything else ;)

[@Jay-jd4ge]

But don’t you lose warranty on the 8700k if you overclock?

[@DuetPain]

oh no, i bought the 2700x does that put me at a disadvantage or slower for games?

[@akbarkumar1]

One of the best reviews I have seen. Good job!

[@zekenzy6486]

I will stick with 8700K for while ^_^

[@johwwa]

ericimi 9900K LUL

[@Diluc699]

Bro does u have to buy another cooler for this cpu

[@zombl337og]

Yea I just bought an 8700k and a z390 board (had more features for price than z370 for a board I liked the look of) and will be buying an rtx 2070, 32gb corsair vengeance rgb pro, Samsung nvme ssd & intel octane memory to boost speed of my WD Black 6TB even further

[@sav22rem22]

Zombl337 Sounds similar to my setup. 8700k with a 2070 however I have a z370 board since I bought it so long ago

[@stuarttankersleyzl1pid574]

I always love your video's. You give good sound advice and most important you include the kind of information I need to know.

[@mattsalis2244]

Ha! This guy is so long winded.. The short, sweet version...

[@spencercarruth9706]

Been waiting on this review..... wasn't disappointed! Can't wait to see part 2 w/Ryzen 5. Tis be a shame that AMD didn't sample you this time round, they missed out on free, honest testing :)

[@thepolticalone961]

It's time to D-d-d-d-d duel

[@Silver060]

Thank you for breaking down the i7 vs r7 debate. Looking forward to the full review.

[@TheWheelerj5000]

Well AMD should have sent you a sample those M Fers

[@dantebzs]

Hello! I'm really interested to see both results combined, on a stream benchmark using one RIG to play and stream. Maybe a simultaneous benchmark on FPS and stream quality (drops and all) at different settings and different games. I think that would give a whole video by itself.