Ryzen 9 7945HX (Duo 16) vs Intel i9-13980HX (Scar 16) Benchmarks! How to Undervolt Ryzen 9 7945HX!

[@kasi7777]

The i9 is running up to 1.45V (9:51). Limit it to 1.25V, the power draw will decrease around 60%. I've measured it with my i9 under same load and same ratios, and changed only the voltage with Intel XTU. Here are the results: 1.45V = 162W 1.40V = 142W 1.35V = 132W 1.30V = 115W 1.25V = 104W Maybe you can it do with your unlocked MSI-laptop, and undervolt it, so the max voltage is 1.25V, and compare it again.

[@nukeclears]

Love how competitive these chips are! Intel and AMD are really keeping each other on their toes. I don't think you can go wrong with either one, although Intel definitely has an availability advantage!

[@GizmoSlipTech]

Good point!

[@amanmobile7264]

​@@GizmoSlipTech me aa are yup

[@imBugra]

Daily driving a Razer Blade 18 for nearly a month now. Thank you for your reviews and suggestions, found the best-fitting laptop for my needs. Keep up the good work!

[@namevcudiyet]

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[@barisoktas]

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[@graelstream2353]

hi sir! is the undervolt done on the scar 16 applicable on the scar 17 se 2022? I got it really really cheap so went and bought it. but the temperatures are wild... i tried undervolting using throttlestop and it went to BSOD real quick at -20.1 mv.... please... I need help. last laptop was the i9 msi gt 75 titan which runs really really cool with the rtx 2080.

[@sebastiankold5403]

To explain loading speeds: 2:52:25 The Intel one is a raid0 configuration. The AMD not.

[@lilith1504]

Aww, direct comparison and test! Though there're many aspects to compare 2 laptop, my most concern is just about raw CPU single thread perform. Maybe you're the 1st one made compare between these 2 new CPU. I rewatch your video, to make sure I get better opt suite for my request. The most funny part in market here is avg price of Ryzen laptop is lower but the price of Duo is higher than Scar almost $2k.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

If you are looking for single core performance then why bother with a 16 core laptop? You should instead by a 6 core with high clock speeds and lesser over TDP.

[@lilith1504]

@@DeepteshLovesTECH Okay then you just don't understand about schedule task on CPU core. All my virtual tasks are implemented sequentially, it use single core for each task, doesn't mean it need single thread only. P/s search Parallel Processing in Python before wanna argue with me.

[@JohnnieTheRabbit-ro1jh]

@@DeepteshLovesTECH Intel 13th gen have better single core performance, AMD has more L3 cache

[@craighutchinson1087]

To me I am amazed amd was able to gain on Intel's huge lead in laptop and keep it going giving a good choice between each - Intel and AMD 4000 series was the begining of AMD being competitive in laptops yet the 4000 series is slow in comparison to the new zen4 7000 series. The gains for both Intel and AMD is amazing

[@RKCorinth]

Yep. Back in the day I built a PC with the AMD Athlon 4400+ dual core and it screamed at the time.

[@kalkydra]

Noob question: How come in a model like the alienware x15 r2 with i7 and rtx 3070 TI gets equal or better fps in warzone than this monster with the 4090 of the zephyr duo?

[@Stng61]

Could you do a battery test between the two in a yt playback plus some tabs open? I'm trying to see if I should wait for more ryzen to come out or just go with the scar 16 bc I need a laptop asap and battery life is pretty important to me.

[@zihechen3111]

The amd IOD will always consume lots of power no matter at idle or FPU, so the best pick is either get intel or amd with max 8 cores

[@Stng61]

@@zihechen3111 13980hx has 8p and 16e cores, so could i just disable 4p and 4e cores to improve battery life without much loss in office tasks? It should still have enough cores to to multitask

[@zihechen3111]

@@Stng61 it does not work like that.

[@Stng61]

@@zihechen3111 why not? Im not saying you are wrong, just curious as to why

[@zihechen3111]

@@Stng61 intel cores are very efficient at idle, it’s those uncores like I/O or thunderbolt consuming majority of power at idle. That is why u may always find intel with more port support. So no matter I get 8 cores or 4 cores on intel, battery life won’t be too long. If u don’t need power for multitasking, I suggest either go Apple or amd with less than 8 cores(1 ccd chipset design, no IOD involved

[@ziz8245]

Ryzen 9 diffinitly the best choice..

[@johnmercado9199]

is that ryzen undervolt beta safe ?? im planing to undervolt my zephyrus duo ryzen 9

[@M3K4Tz]

Did you end up moving forward? Just purchased a 4080 Duo 16 and the CPU temps in game without the laptop cooler are around 95°c.

[@matthewsykes2646]

I think this first comparison made the Intel i9 looks pretty strong to me, especially considering it is avaible on many laptops and configuration. I'm kinda ""let down"" by the performance of the Ryzen considering the advantage it has in process node. I always ask myself how good an Intel chip would be with their hybrid architecture developed with a more advanced node like 5nm o 4nm from TSMC. Let's hope for a strong comback with 14th gen and Intel 4 node, especially efficiency wise, because the 13th gen will be destroyed by Phoenix 4nm soon enough 🙈

[@kodakblack531]

Is phoenix next ryzen cpu? Does ryzen release new gen cpu every year or 2 years bc I bought 12th gen when 5950x was out then 7000 came out which is weird I thought it’d be 6000 and I had 12th gen for a year already then 13th gen came out

[@matthewsykes2646]

@@kodakblack531 this year Amd presented 2 families of laptop processors, Dragon Range for the high end gaming and creators laptops, that is the one tested in this review, based on tsmc 5nm node, a maximum of 16 core and rdna 2 integrated graphic (it's basically their desktop architecture), and then the other one, Phoenix, that will come out in the next month or two acvording to Amd, with a maximum of 8 core based on tsmc 4nm node, rdna 3 integrated graphic and a dedicated AI accelerator. This architecture has been designed specifically for thin and light laptop with great performance and excellent battery life. Unfortunally Intel will not have a response to Amd at least until the 14th gen that, according to Intel, shoud be out in Q4 of 2023. The Ryzen 6000 series on the other hand has been a refresh of the 5000 series with a little more advanced node (7 vs 6nm) that improved a bit performance and battery life. I hope i've been clear enough :)

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

You are disappointed that the 16 core 7945HX was beating the 24 core i9-13980HX at 50% less power?

[@matthewsykes2646]

@@DeepteshLovesTECH i have never said that, and, by the way, i'm much more disappointed by the lack of power efficiency in Intel chips that from the ""lower"" performance of Amd. First of all, the Intel has 8P core and 16E core so, even if they're 24 they're less powerful then 16 performance core of the Ryzen, and that show how GOOD Amd is at power efficiency, but, the Ryzen do not consume 50% less power. In the Cinebench R23 test the difference was 30-35W on average if i remember correctly, but it's still A LOT less power, especially on a laptop. I am kinda "let down" by the singole core performance because programs like photoshop, lightroom ecc runs faster on Intel chips. So, even with their big advantage in architecture efficiency and advanced 5nm node they're still not able to beat Intel in that regard. But even looking at the handbrake test, when using Intel optimization you got better performance, yes at the cost of efficiency, but if you use those laptops as a desktop replacement power efficiency is not a real problem. I'm not an Intel fan, infact as my next computer i'm looking to a Rog G14 with AMD processor, but i'm just curious to see what Intel can do with a more efficient node because right now we are looking at ≈7nm (the old 10nm enanched superfin) vs 5nm in this case and 4nm with Phoenix, so an advantage in power efficiency is to be expected. But still, an amazing job from AMD considering that this is basically a desktop chip in a laptop and, as i said before, Phoenix will enanche even more their efficiency leadership over 13th gen. :)

[@HyrrokkinX]

Dude, the ryzen is not an undervolt, its a V/F shift.. you are not reducing the voltage but increasing the clock speed for the same voltages points, also the number is not mV, its step and each of them its 3 mV

[@GizmoSlipTech]

Thanks for the explanation. I am always trying to learn more, though this effectively behaves the same way as undervolting on Intel, undervolting is higher clockspeed at the same wattage-the performance is improved because efficiency is improved at the same wattage level. Is that not exactly what is happening here too? I think it is fair to still call it undervolting, as both methods are simply increasing efficiency at the same power level.

[@HyrrokkinX]

@@GizmoSlipTech you welcome ! no, offsetting is undervolting, lowering voltages per given clock speed on its stock curve, curve optimizer is actually overclocking, you are increasing clock speeds beyond its stock curve.. you cant say.. i am undervolting because i overclocked. despite this detail, reviews are good ! i am slowly watching them all.. keep it up !

[@GizmoSlipTech]

@@HyrrokkinX I agree and disagree. We doing going about it differently on intel and amd cpus, but the effective outcome is exactly the same-higher effective clock speed because of power efficiency increase allowing higher frequencies at the same voltage. Neither intel or AMD are actually fully hitting their max performance all-core turbo frequencies, so they both have room to grow within the existing power limits on these laptops. To me, undervolting means increasing power efficiency to boost clock speed at the same power limit, which is exactly the end result in both intel/amd laptops. I get what you’re saying by saying it is not being done in the same way for intel/amd. But to me, it is still fair to call both methods undervolting since that is what users are familiar with for increasing power efficiency. But I agree I should describe it differently in how it is being implemented onto the ryzen cpu. It isnt a voltage offset, but a shifting target frequencies at the same voltage-still provides the same benefit to the user though.

[@HyrrokkinX]

@@GizmoSlipTechthey are cousins for sure! but on intel with offset you lower the voltage for the same clock speed, on amd with CO you increase clockspeed for.. the same voltage wich is also why CO is part of the Amd overclocking set utilities like Pbo and void warranty.. voltage offset wich is also present in amd is the same as on intel and that purely undervolt. when you undervolt intel you may get better sustained boost speed cause off setting will improve thermals on heavy loads, on Amd you literally ordering the cpu to go faster despite what Pbo will decide, temperatures etc and till tjmax, different from intel thermal velocity boost like i said above :) there are very nice pdf both from intel and amd on internet explaining all these things, i must admit that when curve optimizer came out at the very beginning i was confused as well.. keep it up ! bye

[@HyrrokkinX]

@@Showz333 of course just read amd warranty terms instead of asking me.. lol

[@indominusrex2870]

Thanks for the review. Quick question here: how to change the system default SSD to a more premium SSD such as 990 Pro? Any recommended software to do copy the system and drivers? Thanks.

[@Pacasmayo2day]

Why not install fresh windows from USB. There are many from torrents or buy clean license from smartcdkeys resellers. Not all the time is it a clean transfer one hd to another. Also you may need a driver to boot. Usually you patch it in when you install windows.

[@cultserpent4501]

People prefer having jet engines for laptop than having 2-3 inches thick laptop (with top tier components)?? Otherwise i dont understand why companies create laptops with such powerful hardware and dont go thick and big. I cant even get through your video with that kind of noise level, its SURREAL that we consider these as usable machines. Can u please do a noise level comparison in idle medium and high load?

[@miklaus2873]

I want tò undervolt 7945hx in Scar 17 with rtx 4080 how you do that? BIOS? Throttlestop? Isnt It locked by BIOS? The video Is too long i can't find the undervolt part and its not clear in a so small video also wanted to know if 7945hx stays cooler with lower temperatures compared tò intel

[@JohnnieTheRabbit-ro1jh]

I think you can use AMD APU Tuning Utilty (max -30 undervolt on Curve Optimizer) or G-helper (is maxed out by default at -30 Curve Optimzer)! I used it to undervolt a Ryzen 9 7845HX. And you can limit the temperature of your Ryzen 9 as well! Like 75 degrees and u will still get a nice boostclock!

[@astrix7797]

@@JohnnieTheRabbit-ro1jh works on r9 6900hx?

[@JohnnieTheRabbit-ro1jh]

@@astrix7797 yep as well. Cause its an HX processor. Just try it. Start with -5 curve optimizer. Max stable for me was -38, how far you can go is just luck. And test stability with aida64.

[@joffy9373]

Why can this program work on the ryzen cpu here in 2023, but not now in 2024? I got a legion pro 7 with 7945hx, brand new.

[@xtradi]

Asus scar 17 vs scar 18 2023 please!

[@Eqqs]

Great detailed review! How is the battery on the Legion Pro 7 with Ryzen 9 7945HX compared to the one with i9-13900HX? I could not find many reviewers that have the Ryzen version.

[@csababalogh7028]

legion pro 7 gen8 amd is not out yet. and their spec sheet is full of errors, like saying 6000mhz ram, when the processor itself only supports 5200mhz and no usb4 etc.

[@Eqqs]

@@csababalogh7028 It actually is in some parts of the EU. The reason I asked was because i found a few in stock in the Netherlands.

[@Vilmir]

Question to the host: with time, can you brains just cut out the laptop fan noise from the background?

[@danydepp8487]

itography:10nm intel vs 5nm amd Benchmark: 45k points intel vs 55k points Amd Temperature: starting 35° intel vs starting 45° Amd And they are the same as performance goes. Intel always winnig there with older tech LOL

[@brianguerra]

Is there coil whine in the scar 16

[@bakagamingcommentary]

the asus duo 16 with rtx 4080 and r7 would great portable laptop for on go. no usb 4 support still kinda a downside if they want sell as work focused performance laptop.

[@harvasyuk]

How much power do those CPUs consume during idle?

[@Rohit_nagesiya09]

Agni 2 ke Compare me Lave bleez curve ne camera me improve ki hai 😍

[@trainspoted]

wow, 1% low on Intel suuuuuks

[@saricubra2867]

The clockspeed on the i9 on the Harry Potter game is all over the place, that explains the stutters.

[@-pcmr-108]

The point of disabling the 'iGPU' is the make the display connect directly to the dGPU instead of passing through the iGPU. This increases performance in most games.

[@jamestaylor954]

I got my ASUS duo 16 4080 for $3800.99 usd and idk if I’m going to keep it or not smh. I also own 64GB 13th gen Intel with 4090 desktop. Trying to see why i purchased this laptop lol

[@tehGoodStuf]

Lol mine just came today Definitely keeping it!

[@sermetyilmaz]

ASUS Scar (2023) I wonder xmp can be enabled on the bios? even if 4800mhz ? so i can use 4800mhz 34cl stiks?

[@abaj006]

I find that the single core performance on intel laptops is very deceiving. Often the laptop runs hot, just from regular background tasks, and that's why it never hits anywhere near the peak single core frequency. On the other hand my ryzen laptop runs cool, and feels much more snappy as it always has thermal headroom to boost close to the peak single core frequency.

[@carlspiess5822]

What’s the max undervolt you can do with the scar 16 4090? CPU in mine is getting too hot

[@Romash.]

Does 100% dci p3 really noticiable ? If not keeping side by side and if not proffeasional user?

[@bibbolegend3507]

No way to overclock ram? Or swap it?

[@JayzBeerz]

I’m still using a 8750H laptop from 2018.

[@joespart4782]

Hi I thought it says that dragon range cpu are not supported by UXTU ?

[@cloudraider911]

Best test video I have ever seen

[@dvr1337]

The duo has 10watt less tdp for the gpu and still was better?

[@GizmoSlipTech]

Same TDP at manual fan mode, lower in turbo mode

[@Warlock15th]

Thank you for the video, very informative! One question, the highest cinebench 23 score I’ve managed to get on my Scar 16 on manual OC with -30 undervolt is about 30600, did you change any other settings to achieve 32K+? Thank you again!

[@GizmoSlipTech]

Manual fan mode with max fans and power limits

[@GizmoSlipTech]

And process lasso set cinebench r23 to above normal priority, with -30 mv undervolt

[@Warlock15th]

@@GizmoSlipTech nice! Thank you for the tip! And for your awesome videos, keep them coming!

[@notori-di5et]

I mean the one on the vid is 18 inch so it have better thermal overall

[@JawadAliQamar]

So we are paying 4000+ dollars for FAKE frames and a system with such a POOR cooling system ? WTF? Ridiculous.

[@zulutgseta8276]

Zphyrus duo 16 looks more cooling fans scam

[@eric131313]

Killer performance for AMD ❤ Still i would stay away from such power hungry processors for laptop space

[@joejohnson8966]

3:47:30 my man. Wisdom.

[@Zhangliqian]

这个软件安全吗？重启后是否需要再次降低电压？会不会因为电压太低而连BIOS接口都进不去的现象？

[@patrikmiskovic791]

my first ryzen was 4600 than 5800h and i always but laptop with ryzen cpu , far better for everything

[@kennysponto6568]

Can you please do an informative video regarding VRAM? ddr6 ram and the importance of VRAM of the GPUs? Especially for animation production video production. A rtx 3070ti has 8 ddr6 vram A razor rtx 3080ti has 16. ddr6 vram A rtx 4070 has 8 and rtx 4080 has 12 a rtx 4090 has 16 A 4060 has 6 a 4050 has 2 or 4

[@DavidHenry-fl2wx]

Nice video

[@Mubeeenmohamad]

Bro where is the g14 2023 model?

[@RoxxeeeTV]

#Askmod Does 6750xt is better for streaming than rtx 3060ti?

[@Foxアスガ]

Omg,i watch this vid until i sleep😂

[@miklaus2873]

What s the software to use to undervolt 7945hx and simple explained steps and max undervolt possible? I was only used to intel xtu with intel cpus

[@JohnnieTheRabbit-ro1jh]

Use AMD APU EXTREME UTILITY, which works on my Ryzen 9 7845HX Asus ROG STRIX G17 (max undervolt -35 stable for me and max boost clock with PBO2 5.45GHz in games and CPU usage capped at 80 watt)

[@alikesikbas2057]

I can't undervolt my 6800h with UXTU. Why? Can yolu help me?

[@kmdkmd-jz8pv]

The duo 16 has a software bug in armour crate causing much higher cpu temps. I wonder if this bug is effecting the 2023 duo. My temps used to be 79-82 in warzone 2.0 but after the update I was hitting 95 or more. After deleting the service that caused it the temps went down.

[@FrancySalva]

Got the duo 16 too, can you tell me which process is causing the bug? I would like to shut it down too

[@Ekami67]

@@FrancySalva did you find out what it was?

[@FrancySalva]

@Ekami67 my duo was unfortunately bugged. Had to replace mobo. Still waiting for it to come back. Temps always above 98 no matter LM reapplied also tried a 0,1mm copper shim in case there wasn't a perfect contact. No solution. Only below 50W helped. Anything above while running every game was pushing to 99C

[@Ekami67]

​@@FrancySalva I think that's the norm, mine also runs pretty hot. If you went as far as repasting and it didn't work, 2 things to consider: - Gizmo used a -30mV, it might be stable for a few days but in my case -30mV works for a few hours and then my laptop crash + reboot. Mine is stable at -17. - Maybe his AC is pretty low, given he's wearing a T-shirt it's prob not lower than 24C tho lol (ambiant remperature plays a big role) - He got an unit pretty early, the recent BIOS update definitely tweaked the CPU behavior as I noticed it in games after updating my BIOS.

[@FrancySalva]

@Ekami67 dunno, tried to undervolt and didn't help, also updated bios and didn't help at all. Mine unit was running quite stable at 99 and sometimes went in thermal throttling, while run great in stress tests like cinebench r32. Also disabling boost behaviour via bios didn't help. I tried everything but nothing help and also in quite older games like doom I got that temps

[@insiever-ok]

temps would be better if u dont put a hot laptop next to yours

[@cjcaton19]

Will the duo have an intel version?

[@andriiprylutskyi1399]

Nope

[@datha1605]

2:30:02 If some guy told me amd is high temp than .., I would kick his ass.

[@dimasnirwan]

Please, upload the cutdown version.

[@GizmoSlipTech]

We are working on it. Taking a long time for editing. Complex edit.

[@dimasnirwan]

@@GizmoSlipTech Thank you, Brandon. Good luck.

[@harpxeal3869]

i thought aatu doesnt support dragon range chips yet

[@vmafarah9473]

Zephyrus Duo 16 is pulling less wattage foe GPU,why?

[@zihechen3111]

those zen cpu are hot man

[@theo5675]

I still think intel is still better than AMD it runs much cooler

[@SerCommander]

Kinda hard to judge since I've never considered so much overpowered CPUs. The 5800U I've used is plenty enough in power and runs cool

[@noblezenith65]

Whats the benefit of a cooler cpu If the ryzen has better performance?

[@Seanweekhaizhen]

The intel cpu thermal throttled what are you talking about? The amd cpu is much more efficient than the intel cpu

[@SerCommander]

@@noblezenith65 in a laptop - less heat for the laptop body and less noise from the fans. In desktop - stellar performance and less demanding cooling solutions and cases

[@kodakblack531]

@@noblezenith65 synthetic benchmarking is not performance no one plays cinebench. Cinebench also depends on memory speed and latency.

[@OzTrollracing]

Any plans for a detailed overclocking under volting guide for the ASUS scar 17 have recently purchased one even with an under volt I'm hitting a thermal throttle awesome laptop, I'm frankly astounded at the performance, I don't have the ability to take a cooling pad with me for most of my travelling reason I bought a laptop in the first place. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[@GizmoSlipTech]

Limiting the CPU power limit in manual mode is the key to controlling the temps.

[@annon873]

I bought for €3800 ($4100) a laptop with an i9 13900hx, rtx 4090 175 W, 32 Gb 4800 MHz, 17-inch 2560x1600 (mini led) at 240 Hz, SSD pcie gen4 (7000 MB/s) 1 tb x2, Windows Hello webcam and Cherry mechanical keyboard. Is it an acceptable price? Thank you for your answers.

[@VladyslavDatsii]

Can you please compare 8P vs 8P cores of Intel vs AMD in Cinebench r23/24 multi-core performance. Without any E cores at all. Case I chose CPU for VIVADO/MATLAB with can utilize only 8 of CPU cores.

[@VladyslavDatsii]

However I think Intel will be better decision anyway.

[@HDRPC]

Geekbench is completely broken and dead

[@sumitsharma9127]

mere😢pass pulsar 180 hai... Pulsar legendary bike...

[@ShortxYouTubex]

Best intel gamming fps

[@jayeshraval5772]

🎉🎉

[@andipratama9169]

asus laptop almost hot

[@samaran3263]

nice

[@nivea878]

Intel is always better than AMD logical, Intel more colab with miceosoft, has lots more engeneers, has 131000 emplyees compared to 25000 amd employees. easy calculation

[@eric131313]

And the dumbest comment award goesss toooooooo......

[@maniscell]

I Like

[@Alberto-ow5ru]

good

[@jayeshraval5772]

😅😊

[@JohnDavisYlarde]

L

[@jayeshraval5772]

Vi ghff

[@brettweltz8135]

They both suck! Both are running too hot! Both need a repaste and new pads.

[@gokumonki3]

Where are your timestamps in a 3+hr vid

[@GizmoSlipTech]

Not ready yet…. Be patient lol

[@brianguerra]

I heard that the scar 16 has coil whine does it happen in yours is it worth purchasing knowing about coil whine

[@Warlock15th]

@@brianguerra I haven’t noticed any coil whine in my Scar 16 if that helps

[@arpg4108]

Please speak Chinese！！！

[@aren124]

😂

[@heatherguzman434]

I have the 4080 duo and got a graphics score of 20,089 and a score all together of 18,462 How is that when that's a 4090 duo??? @gizmoslip tech